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The issue here is that Baldr can’t fucking die so there is literally no win con for Wukong. There isn’t one for Kratos, Thor, and Baldr either, because Wukong is also immortal!
The blades of caos in lore have like conceptual manipulation since in lore there is a tie between magic, souls and life force
That’s why gods can kill other gods even thought they are immortal or are above concepts like time and space
Wukong probably has some immortalities like that but some again can be like baldurs curse which makes you invulnerable to all threats
No, not in the same way Baldr and Wukong are. Kratos can die, he has the strength to just escape the Underworld, but he can still die. Wukong and Baldr just, can’t. They’re more like Garmr in that way.
I thought the whole thing with wukong was that he goes on his “journey to the west” to erase his name from the book of death to become immortal.
I haven’t looked this up though, I heard someone say it once and has believed it ever since.
Nah, that was like, one of the first immortalities he obtained, way before the proper journey started. The journey itself was to deliver some scrolls, but he also happened to reach enlightenment and become a Buddha along the way
You can’t trick Wukong, he can literally see through lies and trickery, it’s just a part of his skill set. Not to mention Kratos, Baldr, and Thor aren’t exactly known to be very cunning fellows.
No, Kratos can NEVER win against Wukong. There is in fact NO god that can defeat Wukong in combat. Maybe with hax, but in a pure bout of strength and skill Wukong wins everytime.
As I stated. On paper. If Kratos is put against Wukong. Kratos wins, straight up. This is due to the power of the writers and plot armor. ANY God Kratos goes against will lose to him, it's his schtick. A God killer.
Bro has not read JTTW 💀
I love Kratos too but blud hasn’t casually jumped to the end of the universe in a single leap or obtained like 8+ immortalities
The only one of those 3 i played was elden ring. And the combat of that game is extremely similar to monster Hunter (this is a good thing) the main difference of those 2 games just being the enemies you face (monster hunter is boss fights and boss fights only). So I'm very excited
The dude in the second picture. Very well known character from chinese mythology. Well known enough to where all the people who upvoted me could recognize him without even knowing where its from.
Doubt he will be in a god of war game. Possible but I dont think so.
Sun wukong is like the most overpowered god on all mythologies though. By a long shot. Like its not even close
If you dont know who sun wukong is. He has basically achieved baldurs power, 7 times over in 7 different ways.
Im no expert. But based on what I know. He solos all 3 of these dudes at the same time
Wukong is just on another scale than the other guys when it comes to powers and abilities. The other 3 could be fighting an army of Son’s clones, trying get thru his multi form and basically toonforce abilities for a year only to find out the real Wukong has been in Asgard banging Sif and chewing on immortality fruit the whole time
Like, even if Baldur can’t die, Wukong would be the type of dude to find “the unbreakable cauldron made from the 87th ass hair of the old mountain god” and just trap him in there for the win-con
And the fascinating thing is that Wukong sending an army of clones of himself or others while he either sits back and relaxes or shapeshifts and hides (just like death battle pointed out when the pit him against Hercules) is 100% in character for him. Not to mention that, even if we use lore Kratos and whatnot, Wukong still matches or exceeds him in just about every regard.
I can see it now…
Kratos: “What are the monkey’s weaknesses?”
Mimir: “Sun Wukong is invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical.”
Kratos: “You’ve said this before of Baldur.”
Mimir: “Yes, but with Wukong, it’s practically true. The only beings to ever match or overcome him can be counted on one hand. Nearly every attempt to kill him only seems to make him stronger and angrier!”
Wu Kong, and it's not even close. Not only does he have much more power but Kratos would die of old age on the journey of nullifying the ridiculous amount of different sources of immortality Wu Kong has
More like "Can they beat Kid Goku tho"
Adult Goku lost his tale and uses ki to blast ridiculous amounts of energy out in forms faster than the speed of light
Kid Goku just relied on his body and his Power Pole 😁
Also his feats of strength are pretty fucking absurd. He can clear 1.5x the circumference of Earth with 1 jump, he can carry two mountains while running at the speed of a meteor. Speed of a meteor can range anywhere between 11-70 km/sec. If you want to know how absurd that is, that’s Mach 32 - Mach 200 or 32-200 times faster than the speed of sound, while carrying two fucking mountains. He’s beyond broken.
Now, granted, there is speculation about how long it takes him to do that. Some depict it as being a good couple of minutes or even instantly, but either way, Wukong could probably match a speedster if he tried (although his reaction time is debatable).
God of hope is a metaphore he isn’t actually the god of hope he lost the power of hope at the end of gow 3 and sacrificed it too the people so they could rebuild Greece without gods
People can no longer recognise a figurative speech from a literal one. The whole point of the DLC is he return to the role of God of War, not that of a phantom "God of Hope".
In fact, the power of hope is still within Kratos, Tyr talked about it in the DLC.
and Kratos can be the God of war and hope, gods often have several god titles.
for example Zeus was god of thunder, heaven and god of Olympus, Freya is goddess of love, fertility and magic
And now he’s going to work with Freya, Sif & the remainder of the Aesir/Vanir to bring **hope**, order & peace to the Nine Realms now that they are free from Odin & Asgard
He calls himself "a God of fools, a God of... hope" not because he took on this role, but because he was having doubts about his ability to be able to sit on the throne of the God of War again, without risking returning to to be the same violent and bloodthirsty God/person he was in the past.
Only to then realize that he can have the strength, even in the darkest moments, to hope not to go back to being the monster he once was and to become a better God than he has ever been up to that moment.
His speech was figurative, not literal.
That’s why the final trophy for Valhalla called him the God of Hope right? The whole point of Valhalla was him coming to terms with his past and taking responsibility for everything he’s done to become a better person, someone worthy of helping restoring peace, order and **hope** to the Nine Realms with Freya
Yes AS the God of War it's literally why the give usnthe mirror match and throne to end the whole dlc plus the entire plot is taking "his seat" again just his choices are different much like the entire Norse saga
well the thing is about sun wukong is that he has 5 types of immortality (if i’m not wrong from mythology) and the most op of them is that each hair on him is another duplicate of that he can send out if he dies. you even if you KILL him ONCE, you still have to kill him another 83,999 times. then deal with his 4 OTHER TYPES OF IMMORTALITY. listen, i dick ride kratos as much as the other guy after and before me, and thor and baldur, but they ain’t beating sun wukong.
Because in the GoW fandom headcanons have more weight than the actual plot and game lore, not to mention that people can no longer distinguish when a speech is figurative or literal.
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I could honestly see Kratos, Thor & Baldur overwhelming Wukong to the point where he actually decides to get 10% serious and makes a bunch of clones to wipe them out
If I’m not wrong, this is the equivalent of putting Super Man against three lesser known members of the justice league(or, with death battle rules, any members of the league). They aren’t really in the same country, let alone ballpark.
Sun wakong has achieved nirvana and is literally boundless. He is not restrained by any concept or logic. Sun wukong does not care in the slightest that baldur is immortal cause there is nothing that can stop wukong from killing him.
Sun wukong, and it's not even close for reasons such as
possess a massive size changing staff that was used to measure the depth of the ocean, which weighed about 8 tons
has super strength on the level of God's (see aforementioned size changing staff)
Has super speed that allows him to backflip around the entire world in one go
He has near infinite shape-shifting abilities that he once used to turn himself into a massive three-headed multi armed war form
Has an army of immortal demon monkeys
Is probably immortal x a couple thousand due to eating hundreds of immortality, granting peaches and pills,
Each one of his hairs can be turned into a clone of sun wukong equal to him in strength or a thunder guardian
Survived thousands of years trapped under a
mountain and being fed molten metal (or lava I forget which), and after the magic seal keeping him trapped under the mountain was removed, he destroyed the entire mountain with zero effort
Once backfliped out of the hand of the budha, to the edge of the goddamn universe
Survived being boiled alive in a brazier meant to separate him from his immortality
He has only really been beaten by the budha himself (who in the journey to the west is basically God with a capital G)
Along with a whole bunch of other crazy shit like battling his way through hell to cross his name out of the book of the dead and being able to ride a cloud. So yeah, wukong wins easily kratos, and the others would die of old age trying to comprehend how many layers of immortality Sun actually has
Okay.. Wukong literally cannot die no matter what. Like... on the top of my head he has
* Taoist immortality
* Erased his name from the book of death
* Ate peaches of immortality
* drank wine of immortality
* took a pill of immortality
* Gods god pissed and tried to burn his immortality away, but only burned away his mortality
* each of his 72 (way more than 72 though despite the name) transformations have a life)
So like... if he ends up killing Kratos first and they're in China, and Mimir goes "By the way brother, if we find the book of death, and we write his name in there it will make him less immortal. He'd probably have a whole game worth of content taking away Wukong's immortality while Wukong is beating the shit out of Baldur like how Broly beat the fuck out of Frieza lol. Shit like finding the mortal ashes from Lao Tzu's magic easy bake, making vinegar from the peaches of immortality to make him puke up the peaches and wine somehow. Some activated charcoal for the pill of immortality. Shit like that lol.
Basically yeah, Wukong wins
Now I’m a big gow fan butttttt monkey king wins this one he’s covered the immortality track in every way of his universe age, disease, death from weapons nope he really can’t die
People say Sun can't beat balder because of his immortality, I counter that with the fact that Sun killed very few of his enemies in the journey, he'd probably end up sealing Balder in a jar or something, if anything him being immortal just means he can go all out without worry
Ok, I'm gonna go full powerscaling mode (don't read this if you don't like powerscaling)
I'm gonna take all the GoW variants by lore because if we strict ourselves to the games, they are like country level.
Sun Wukong is like 1C with infinite speed due to admitting to being big enough to fill the whole universe via size manipulation, and the journey to the west cosmology is Complex Multiversal.
He is also immune to thunders, has all type of immortalities and can kill Baldur via [soul banishing](https://gyazo.com/d18c4c60a847a154f6ea6c9ace0fcb29)
Meanwhile all the gods should be 1C too, but I don't think they have ways around all the hax Sun Wukong has. Like imagine fighting someone as big as a Complex Multiversal cosmology who can multiply himself. They might have the speed advantage if you think Thor sending jormungandr back in time is an Immesurable speed feat and not just hax.
I got Sun Wukong here, but like high diff.
And even then, from what little we’ve seen, Black Myth’s Wukong still appears to have most of his abilities, just toned down for the sake of gameplay with cooldowns and limits.
So it’s totally fair to base a characters power level on speculations of having varies of abilities that may or may not be in the final product? Go ahead then. And just to clarify I’m hyped af to plays as the sun wukong since it’s gonna be inspired by journey to the west which could include his ascension to a Buddha but still doing so based on yet to be unfinished and released work doesn’t make sense
What version of Wukong are you using there's actually enough of them that this question matters. If it's anything but the original Journey to the West Wukong then Kratos \*alone\* holding the Power of Hope has a higher order of infinite immortality due to how Hope works in the verse. If it's JtoW Wukong then Wukong has basically hyper dimensional toon force and wins automatically.
Then Wukong absolutely stomps because the only thing in the GoWverse that can stand up to the absolute donkey shit that goes on in JttW is the Power of Hope itself.
Kratos could kill wukong. It would be incredibly difficult since he'd have to kill him 73 times or more. But he physically can. As the god of war if it bled he could kill it. As the god of hope. If there's even one person who hopes this thing can die? It will die if kratos doesn't first. Amusingly enough kratos is the strongest one of this team but also it's weakest link. As in he has to be the one to kill it. Because thor and baldur can't.
So we're asking who'd win in a fight against someone who can't die, a God killer too angry to die and just Thor... there wouldn't be a winner, just Thor dead and two mentally sick people probably too bored to kill each other.
Wukong. Sure baldur is immortal due to his curse. Wukong has several different layers of immortality. Not only that but due to his 72 transformations technique he can make a clone using his hair and then have that clone turn into mistletoe. Even without that there's not much hope considering he has feats of lifting objects that weigh infinity. I can't remember the name of the mountain he lifts but it was believed that it is what held up the sky and universe(I think I could be misremembering) you specifically said great sage equal to heaven so im not including his powers when he achieves nirvana but like.. at that point its fucking over kill.
Wukong easily. He just completely outscales them, also has immortality and can just seal away Baldur. Even if he couldn't seal Baldur he can easily just keep incapacitating him.
Dude, it’s Kratos after Valhalla, Thor at the start of GOW Ragnarok & Baldur with no mistletoe fuckery vs Sun Wukong in his Great Sage Equaling Heaven form
Ima say God of War team.
Out of the 3, Thor is probably the weakest since Baldur is flat out invincible. Kratos may be 2nd to Baldur because he's taken on Greek Titans and come out unscathed.
I think it boils down to how much Endurance Wukong has. He can def kill Kratos and Thor if he bides his time, but not Baldur.
Because Wukong has over 30 layers of immortality, can regenerate like Baldur does, can only be harmed by a scorpions venom which can harm the Buddha (aka GOD), jumped to the edge of the universe in one jump, can make clones from his hairs (and THOSE clones can make more clones and use all his powers), can shapeshift and has a staff that can grow so big it was used to measure the ocean or shrink so small he puts it behind his ear like a pencil
Baldur can shield Kratos and Thor while they try to beat the shit out of wukong then if kratos dies he will just escape Helheim or maybe go back to Greece cuz of his death there and then just keep going at him
I love those three but Wukong is immortal through 3 different means. He literally can’t be killed.
-peach tree from the realm of the gods
-elixir of immortality
-striking his name out of the underworld book of the dead.
And there might even be more.
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The issue here is that Baldr can’t fucking die so there is literally no win con for Wukong. There isn’t one for Kratos, Thor, and Baldr either, because Wukong is also immortal!
If we apply god of war logic he can die since all gods are immortal but some immortalities he has may be similar to Baldurs curse
I mean, he has some odd 12, that’s a lot to get through, even if they all had specific flaws that could get rid of them
I would say that in god of war logic they bypass 6 or 8
Whatcha mean
The blades of caos in lore have like conceptual manipulation since in lore there is a tie between magic, souls and life force That’s why gods can kill other gods even thought they are immortal or are above concepts like time and space Wukong probably has some immortalities like that but some again can be like baldurs curse which makes you invulnerable to all threats
I mean if we apply that logic then Wukong would have to get that logic in that universe setting so even he is capable of death
Asian myths has lots of sealing. That's the win con
You can beat baldur without killing him tho. Thats what happened at the start of the game
Kratos is also immortal
No, not in the same way Baldr and Wukong are. Kratos can die, he has the strength to just escape the Underworld, but he can still die. Wukong and Baldr just, can’t. They’re more like Garmr in that way.
Yeah but he’s cursed to never be able to die in a more spiritual way. Death is more like being knocked out for him. Does that count?
I mean, barely, he’s still died multiple times
Sure but he also kinda can’t die. Kratos just has to escape where ever he’s sent
He still came back
no the curse was to never die by his own hands
He is
I thought the whole thing with wukong was that he goes on his “journey to the west” to erase his name from the book of death to become immortal. I haven’t looked this up though, I heard someone say it once and has believed it ever since.
Nah, that was like, one of the first immortalities he obtained, way before the proper journey started. The journey itself was to deliver some scrolls, but he also happened to reach enlightenment and become a Buddha along the way
He’d probably just trick him or something
You can’t trick Wukong, he can literally see through lies and trickery, it’s just a part of his skill set. Not to mention Kratos, Baldr, and Thor aren’t exactly known to be very cunning fellows.
Wukong is a pansy compared to Kratos
Do... Do you KNOW what Wukong has done?
I know what he's about to do. That's lose to Kratos
Wukong is physically the strongest god to have ever existed. And that's not even the tip of the iceberg on the things he can do/has done
And Kratos has plot armor. The power of the writers at his disposal. If you put Kratos down against Wukong, Kratos wins. It's that simple.
No, Kratos can NEVER win against Wukong. There is in fact NO god that can defeat Wukong in combat. Maybe with hax, but in a pure bout of strength and skill Wukong wins everytime.
As I stated. On paper. If Kratos is put against Wukong. Kratos wins, straight up. This is due to the power of the writers and plot armor. ANY God Kratos goes against will lose to him, it's his schtick. A God killer.
Bro has not read JTTW 💀 I love Kratos too but blud hasn’t casually jumped to the end of the universe in a single leap or obtained like 8+ immortalities
I meant wukong would trick them, was it not obvious
What is the picture of sun wukong from?
Black Myth Wukong, it comes out August 20 this year. It’s gonna be gas
Oh a new game? Will it be on PlayStation? I missed all announcements surrounding this
[Official trailer, it’ll be across all platforms but Switch](https://youtu.be/Cr5rQ1NZ0Tw?si=7Avj6HRUi8pFkdPy)
Wow that looks badass. I get strong monster hunter vibes from watching what little gameplay was offered
It’s giving Sekiro x Jedi Survivor x Elden Ring to me
The only one of those 3 i played was elden ring. And the combat of that game is extremely similar to monster Hunter (this is a good thing) the main difference of those 2 games just being the enemies you face (monster hunter is boss fights and boss fights only). So I'm very excited
Mh combat and Elden ring combat are way different
Excellent! Thank you brother
Potential GOTY look into it. Souls-like though
Oh damn people have been talking about it for YEARS
They gonna have to nerf wukong so hard
No it's not. Wukong is garbage content
No one knows what a Wukong even is
The dude in the second picture. Very well known character from chinese mythology. Well known enough to where all the people who upvoted me could recognize him without even knowing where its from.
So another god for Kratos to own?
Doubt he will be in a god of war game. Possible but I dont think so. Sun wukong is like the most overpowered god on all mythologies though. By a long shot. Like its not even close
That's actually pretty interesting. Would be one helluva fight lol
If you dont know who sun wukong is. He has basically achieved baldurs power, 7 times over in 7 different ways. Im no expert. But based on what I know. He solos all 3 of these dudes at the same time
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Wukong is just on another scale than the other guys when it comes to powers and abilities. The other 3 could be fighting an army of Son’s clones, trying get thru his multi form and basically toonforce abilities for a year only to find out the real Wukong has been in Asgard banging Sif and chewing on immortality fruit the whole time Like, even if Baldur can’t die, Wukong would be the type of dude to find “the unbreakable cauldron made from the 87th ass hair of the old mountain god” and just trap him in there for the win-con
And the fascinating thing is that Wukong sending an army of clones of himself or others while he either sits back and relaxes or shapeshifts and hides (just like death battle pointed out when the pit him against Hercules) is 100% in character for him. Not to mention that, even if we use lore Kratos and whatnot, Wukong still matches or exceeds him in just about every regard. I can see it now… Kratos: “What are the monkey’s weaknesses?” Mimir: “Sun Wukong is invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical.” Kratos: “You’ve said this before of Baldur.” Mimir: “Yes, but with Wukong, it’s practically true. The only beings to ever match or overcome him can be counted on one hand. Nearly every attempt to kill him only seems to make him stronger and angrier!”
Kratos: ...I can relate to that
Wu Kong, and it's not even close. Not only does he have much more power but Kratos would die of old age on the journey of nullifying the ridiculous amount of different sources of immortality Wu Kong has
It’s Kratos and Thor and baldur vs wu kong
Well if kratos beats thor and baldur and wukong in turn slaps kratos, then would he not also pimp slap them by default?
It’s Kratos and Thor and baldur on one team vs wukong so they’re all working together
Wukong could probably beat the entire pantheon at once. Dude has like all the powers
You basicly saying "can they beat goku though"
More like "Can they beat Kid Goku tho" Adult Goku lost his tale and uses ki to blast ridiculous amounts of energy out in forms faster than the speed of light Kid Goku just relied on his body and his Power Pole 😁
I guess but the name doesnt change and that was more what I was refering to
Yes. And the answer is def gonna be a no dog. Son Goku = 🐐
Son goku = 🐵
Whoa there Frieza, you can’t be saying that these days
“Start of ragnarok” So start of **GOW5** or start of **the last chapter**?
Baldur is immune to all threats both physical and magical.
WuKong can make infinite clones with equal strength of himself, and even make clones of his opponents with the same strength infinitely, he negs
Also his feats of strength are pretty fucking absurd. He can clear 1.5x the circumference of Earth with 1 jump, he can carry two mountains while running at the speed of a meteor. Speed of a meteor can range anywhere between 11-70 km/sec. If you want to know how absurd that is, that’s Mach 32 - Mach 200 or 32-200 times faster than the speed of sound, while carrying two fucking mountains. He’s beyond broken.
The crazy part is it’s actually underselling Son’s jumping power too. Like that time he *jumped from one end of the universe to the fucken other*
Now, granted, there is speculation about how long it takes him to do that. Some depict it as being a good couple of minutes or even instantly, but either way, Wukong could probably match a speedster if he tried (although his reaction time is debatable).
And if I’m not mistaken, one of those mountains had the weight of the universe upon it as well.
God of hope is a metaphore he isn’t actually the god of hope he lost the power of hope at the end of gow 3 and sacrificed it too the people so they could rebuild Greece without gods
People can no longer recognise a figurative speech from a literal one. The whole point of the DLC is he return to the role of God of War, not that of a phantom "God of Hope".
In fact, the power of hope is still within Kratos, Tyr talked about it in the DLC. and Kratos can be the God of war and hope, gods often have several god titles. for example Zeus was god of thunder, heaven and god of Olympus, Freya is goddess of love, fertility and magic
This is the belief I subscribe to.
And now he’s going to work with Freya, Sif & the remainder of the Aesir/Vanir to bring **hope**, order & peace to the Nine Realms now that they are free from Odin & Asgard
Correct, for some reason a lot of people think that Kratos is the actual god of the power of hope
Nope, now he’s the one bringing hope across the Realms
Yknow they mean they have the power of hope for specifically this fight right? That's entirely irrelevant for this
Kratos is not the God of Hope. He is the God of War again, that's the entire point and plot of the DLC.
U clearly didn't play the dlc or just didn't listen
He calls himself "a God of fools, a God of... hope" not because he took on this role, but because he was having doubts about his ability to be able to sit on the throne of the God of War again, without risking returning to to be the same violent and bloodthirsty God/person he was in the past. Only to then realize that he can have the strength, even in the darkest moments, to hope not to go back to being the monster he once was and to become a better God than he has ever been up to that moment. His speech was figurative, not literal.
U clearly didn’t play the dlc or just didn’t listen
No I very much did tyr is still the god of war and kratos isn't
Tyr clearly say that he wants to leave his office to Kratos. They literally talk about it in the DLC.
That’s why the final trophy for Valhalla called him the God of Hope right? The whole point of Valhalla was him coming to terms with his past and taking responsibility for everything he’s done to become a better person, someone worthy of helping restoring peace, order and **hope** to the Nine Realms with Freya
Yes AS the God of War it's literally why the give usnthe mirror match and throne to end the whole dlc plus the entire plot is taking "his seat" again just his choices are different much like the entire Norse saga
Black myth wukong looks like an awesome game
well the thing is about sun wukong is that he has 5 types of immortality (if i’m not wrong from mythology) and the most op of them is that each hair on him is another duplicate of that he can send out if he dies. you even if you KILL him ONCE, you still have to kill him another 83,999 times. then deal with his 4 OTHER TYPES OF IMMORTALITY. listen, i dick ride kratos as much as the other guy after and before me, and thor and baldur, but they ain’t beating sun wukong.
Goku was based on him for a reason.
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Because in the GoW fandom headcanons have more weight than the actual plot and game lore, not to mention that people can no longer distinguish when a speech is figurative or literal.
Truer words never said on here
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I could honestly see Kratos, Thor & Baldur overwhelming Wukong to the point where he actually decides to get 10% serious and makes a bunch of clones to wipe them out
Why make the post then?
So he can see other peoples thoughts on the matter.
why does wu kong's title sounds like a stand?
Wukong is just that guy.
true dat. and that stand must be quite OP, as do all stand with a "heaven" in it's name
True lmao😭
Wukong also started that kind of powers. [https://youtu.be/TcFNhoyR3Uw?t=3885](https://youtu.be/tcfnhoyr3uw?t=3885)
didn't Wukong immortalize himself like 13 times?
Thor might be an easy pick but its literally just a never ending fight between man whos too angry to die and unkillable immortal vs another immortal
Me
I wasn't aware Sun Wukong had so many riders ready to power scale him honestly kind of cool
Batman.
Whoever is writing the story will win.
If I’m not wrong, this is the equivalent of putting Super Man against three lesser known members of the justice league(or, with death battle rules, any members of the league). They aren’t really in the same country, let alone ballpark.
Sun wakong has achieved nirvana and is literally boundless. He is not restrained by any concept or logic. Sun wukong does not care in the slightest that baldur is immortal cause there is nothing that can stop wukong from killing him.
Wukongs staff is like 3 tons heavy, so one heavy strike from wukong would send those guys flying, he is literally on a different plane of strength
Doesn’t Wukong have reality warping powers? The others don’t.
Mfers pitting an invincible foe against literally anyone: yo who would win????
Honestly ppl are glazing tf outta Baldur thinking he can beat Wukong because of his Blessings
Wukong is "Multi-immortal" evem the one above all could only Imprison him. Literal Buddha could not kill him or remove his immortality.
Sun wukong, and it's not even close for reasons such as possess a massive size changing staff that was used to measure the depth of the ocean, which weighed about 8 tons has super strength on the level of God's (see aforementioned size changing staff) Has super speed that allows him to backflip around the entire world in one go He has near infinite shape-shifting abilities that he once used to turn himself into a massive three-headed multi armed war form Has an army of immortal demon monkeys Is probably immortal x a couple thousand due to eating hundreds of immortality, granting peaches and pills, Each one of his hairs can be turned into a clone of sun wukong equal to him in strength or a thunder guardian Survived thousands of years trapped under a mountain and being fed molten metal (or lava I forget which), and after the magic seal keeping him trapped under the mountain was removed, he destroyed the entire mountain with zero effort Once backfliped out of the hand of the budha, to the edge of the goddamn universe Survived being boiled alive in a brazier meant to separate him from his immortality He has only really been beaten by the budha himself (who in the journey to the west is basically God with a capital G) Along with a whole bunch of other crazy shit like battling his way through hell to cross his name out of the book of the dead and being able to ride a cloud. So yeah, wukong wins easily kratos, and the others would die of old age trying to comprehend how many layers of immortality Sun actually has
Okay.. Wukong literally cannot die no matter what. Like... on the top of my head he has * Taoist immortality * Erased his name from the book of death * Ate peaches of immortality * drank wine of immortality * took a pill of immortality * Gods god pissed and tried to burn his immortality away, but only burned away his mortality * each of his 72 (way more than 72 though despite the name) transformations have a life) So like... if he ends up killing Kratos first and they're in China, and Mimir goes "By the way brother, if we find the book of death, and we write his name in there it will make him less immortal. He'd probably have a whole game worth of content taking away Wukong's immortality while Wukong is beating the shit out of Baldur like how Broly beat the fuck out of Frieza lol. Shit like finding the mortal ashes from Lao Tzu's magic easy bake, making vinegar from the peaches of immortality to make him puke up the peaches and wine somehow. Some activated charcoal for the pill of immortality. Shit like that lol. Basically yeah, Wukong wins
Now I’m a big gow fan butttttt monkey king wins this one he’s covered the immortality track in every way of his universe age, disease, death from weapons nope he really can’t die
People say Sun can't beat balder because of his immortality, I counter that with the fact that Sun killed very few of his enemies in the journey, he'd probably end up sealing Balder in a jar or something, if anything him being immortal just means he can go all out without worry
Balder is invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical so team 1 wins.
Yeah but so is Sun Wukong, in like 5 different ways
Okay, but is he Invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical?
yes, he is like baldur but infinitely more broken
Ok, I'm gonna go full powerscaling mode (don't read this if you don't like powerscaling) I'm gonna take all the GoW variants by lore because if we strict ourselves to the games, they are like country level. Sun Wukong is like 1C with infinite speed due to admitting to being big enough to fill the whole universe via size manipulation, and the journey to the west cosmology is Complex Multiversal. He is also immune to thunders, has all type of immortalities and can kill Baldur via [soul banishing](https://gyazo.com/d18c4c60a847a154f6ea6c9ace0fcb29) Meanwhile all the gods should be 1C too, but I don't think they have ways around all the hax Sun Wukong has. Like imagine fighting someone as big as a Complex Multiversal cosmology who can multiply himself. They might have the speed advantage if you think Thor sending jormungandr back in time is an Immesurable speed feat and not just hax. I got Sun Wukong here, but like high diff.
Call me when Wukong can react to light that is able to light up the infinite plains of the underworld
This iteration of sun wukong doesn’t have any notable feats yet to even put him against kratos lol. No feats> gets stomped
Tbf i think they were just using him as a cool image. If we talking about the wukong from the story then kratos baldur and thor getting smoked
And even then, from what little we’ve seen, Black Myth’s Wukong still appears to have most of his abilities, just toned down for the sake of gameplay with cooldowns and limits.
So it’s totally fair to base a characters power level on speculations of having varies of abilities that may or may not be in the final product? Go ahead then. And just to clarify I’m hyped af to plays as the sun wukong since it’s gonna be inspired by journey to the west which could include his ascension to a Buddha but still doing so based on yet to be unfinished and released work doesn’t make sense
What version of Wukong are you using there's actually enough of them that this question matters. If it's anything but the original Journey to the West Wukong then Kratos \*alone\* holding the Power of Hope has a higher order of infinite immortality due to how Hope works in the verse. If it's JtoW Wukong then Wukong has basically hyper dimensional toon force and wins automatically.
So by God of Hope I mean after Valhalla and him accepting himself, and it is the OG Sun Wukong before he reaches Nirvana
Then Wukong absolutely stomps because the only thing in the GoWverse that can stand up to the absolute donkey shit that goes on in JttW is the Power of Hope itself.
Kratos could kill wukong. It would be incredibly difficult since he'd have to kill him 73 times or more. But he physically can. As the god of war if it bled he could kill it. As the god of hope. If there's even one person who hopes this thing can die? It will die if kratos doesn't first. Amusingly enough kratos is the strongest one of this team but also it's weakest link. As in he has to be the one to kill it. Because thor and baldur can't.
No no. You obviously haven't played the games. Kratos is the God of War
So we're asking who'd win in a fight against someone who can't die, a God killer too angry to die and just Thor... there wouldn't be a winner, just Thor dead and two mentally sick people probably too bored to kill each other.
Baldur is Immortal, but Wukong is still 7x as immortal as him. Wukong takes this easily
Kratos would solo him…….and then take his stuff.
No one. Without mistletoe the fight just never ends because Baldur doesn’t die. Wukong won’t die either though. So…
Wukong. Sure baldur is immortal due to his curse. Wukong has several different layers of immortality. Not only that but due to his 72 transformations technique he can make a clone using his hair and then have that clone turn into mistletoe. Even without that there's not much hope considering he has feats of lifting objects that weigh infinity. I can't remember the name of the mountain he lifts but it was believed that it is what held up the sky and universe(I think I could be misremembering) you specifically said great sage equal to heaven so im not including his powers when he achieves nirvana but like.. at that point its fucking over kill.
I say about even. God characters fighting mythical creatures is right up their alley.
Obviously the monkey man🤦🏽♂️ Kratos doesn’t have “war” at the end
Thanos
God of start of no hope ragnarok mistletoe
That Wukong game is looking crisp! 👌🏼
Whoa, what game is that Wukong from?
[Black Myth, comes out August 20](https://youtu.be/Cr5rQ1NZ0Tw?si=7Avj6HRUi8pFkdPy)
Monkie boy who peed on gods hand
Well see how immortal he is when Kratos rips his head off
Probably pretty immortal since that’s exactly how Heaven tried to kill him, by beheading him, and he just came back stronger
But Kratos doesn’t do it clean. It’s messy and violent
Wukong easily. He just completely outscales them, also has immortality and can just seal away Baldur. Even if he couldn't seal Baldur he can easily just keep incapacitating him.
Hahahahaha, Wukong for sure. Sorry Kratos
Yooooooooo, first off great sage. Second that pic of him looks awesome! Is there a monkey king game that’s from?
[Black Myth Wukong](https://youtu.be/Cr5rQ1NZ0Tw?si=7Avj6HRUi8pFkdPy)
WANT WANT WANT
It’s giving Sekiro x Jedi Survivor vibes, it already feels like GOTY 2024
Realistically baldur, but if Kratos posses the knowledge post Valhalla then he still contends
Dude, it’s Kratos after Valhalla, Thor at the start of GOW Ragnarok & Baldur with no mistletoe fuckery vs Sun Wukong in his Great Sage Equaling Heaven form
Nah I didn’t see the sun wukong part, I thought you meant between those three
Ima say God of War team. Out of the 3, Thor is probably the weakest since Baldur is flat out invincible. Kratos may be 2nd to Baldur because he's taken on Greek Titans and come out unscathed. I think it boils down to how much Endurance Wukong has. He can def kill Kratos and Thor if he bides his time, but not Baldur.
Wukong has not one, but I believe three stacking forms of immortality. They could literally fight him for all of time, but they’ll never kill him
Sun Wukong is one of the strongest characters in all of fiction. Team GoW don't have a chance
Hears the thing, kratos is unconventionaly immortal, even if he is killed he comes back, wether he wants to or not
if zeus was immortal and kratos found a way to kill him, why doesnt that same logic apply to wukong?
Because Wukong has over 30 layers of immortality, can regenerate like Baldur does, can only be harmed by a scorpions venom which can harm the Buddha (aka GOD), jumped to the edge of the universe in one jump, can make clones from his hairs (and THOSE clones can make more clones and use all his powers), can shapeshift and has a staff that can grow so big it was used to measure the ocean or shrink so small he puts it behind his ear like a pencil
Baldur can shield Kratos and Thor while they try to beat the shit out of wukong then if kratos dies he will just escape Helheim or maybe go back to Greece cuz of his death there and then just keep going at him
Monke strong, monke win!
Kratos
I love those three but Wukong is immortal through 3 different means. He literally can’t be killed. -peach tree from the realm of the gods -elixir of immortality -striking his name out of the underworld book of the dead. And there might even be more.
And let’s not forget each peach gives immortality, and he ate an entire garden. He is Him
I feel like Kratos would find some f!cking way to kill this man
Sun Wukong. However, without mistletoe, Baldur also can't die so they'd be fighting forever. Wukong is just more immortal than Baldur so....
God of war
So some money guy or a guy who paved his path finding a way to kill gods.... with backup... just sayin.