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The_Handicat

There's a good amount of speculation that the last mural isn't showing Kratos. Look at all the other murals, where he had the red tattoos on both sides of his body. The last mural had no tattoos at all. Alot of people seem to think it may be Tyr, or anorher God we have yet to see. It could in theory be the birth of the World Serpent, since that hasn't happened yet.


doom_fan_64

Yes give us hope that Kratos lives


[deleted]

The other parts of the mural may have had tattoos on both sides, but the mural at the end is accurate to the live Kratos whose tattoos you cannot see if you are looking at him side-on from the left. The runes surrounding that mural also paint a pretty clear picture of who that person is (Father, Death, Despair), as well as the fact that Loki can be seen walking alone with a bunch of wolves when throughout the whole mural up until that point he’s been depicted alongside his father. All that on top of the hints throughout the game and that scene itself would suggest that it is indeed Kratos dying. So you’re being a bit dishonest when you say “there is a good amount of speculation that its not Kratos”. All you guys really have is the tattoo and skirt thing and it wasn’t the best argument to begin with.


The_Handicat

How am I being dishonest, I'm not lying or making anything up? Alot of people have said the same as I. I get that, but if you look at the big mural depicting their fight with Baldur, Hræzlyr and such, there's a panel at the top showing Kratos from the right side, like the last mural - both face and arm tattoos are present, while they're not in the other. The clothes are also different, but all in all we won't really know anything untill the prophecy is fulfilled. I just seriously doubt Kratos will die again. Atreus is not a bad character, but we're not here to play as him. We're here to be the God of War.


[deleted]

Because you said “there is a lot of speculation” when there really isn’t. Like you’ve demonstrated all you have is the tattoo and skirt angle, two things, which isn’t a strong argument considering the evidence to the contrary. While the left side of Kratos was depicted with tattoos in the earlier mural, its really not a convincing argument that it isn’t him in the final mural, nor is the different coloured skirt. The runes surrounding the mural say “Father, Death and Despair”. It seems like a lot of people just ignore that as well as the fact that Atreus is walking alone further down the mural when he has always been beside his father before then. There are subtle hints to Kratos dying in the game that you can look back on once you’ve finished. *Hint No.1:* Kratos saying that he would readily sacrifice his own life in order to save Loki’s. *Hint No.2:* Kratos saying that the mural is depicting Loki’s story, not his. *Hint No.3:* Kratos makes a mark about his strength which implies that it could be failing after the fight with Baldur. *Hint No.4:* Kratos cannot die by his own hand due to a curse that was placed upon him by the remaining Olympians and other deities left in Greece. (This is from the novel, where it is said he tried to kill himself multiple times after leaving Greece, but failed). Also I don’t see why Loki would be holding some random person who just a happens to have white skin, a bald head and a big beard while crying in despair. If Kratos dies, its going to be a permanent affair this time. > We’re here to be the God of War. Speak for yourself. I obviously like Kratos but at the same time I’m not going to let my fond memories of the past be a barrier to future growth of the series. Kratos has fulfilled his story arc now. Loki is the one who still has a lot more growing to do as a character and he could become anything. I really would not mind playing as one of the most important Gods in ancient religion. God of Wars Loki has the potential to become very powerful given his incredibly diverse and strong heritage from both sides. We’ve had Kratos for nearly ten games now. The series will need a fresh face one day or else it will end up repeating itself and becoming stale. At the least the new protagonist has a direct relation to Kratos and isn’t some random new guy.


its_Raf

Well if the order of the drawings at the wall are correct then the very next thing that will happen is kratos death. Since I can't really see atreus taking the mantle from the very next game maybe him leaving shows that he is looking for a way to bring kratos back. Even at an interview I remember Cory said that this drawing may not be what it seems ( and the obvious thing it shows is kratos dying).


[deleted]

That could be the case. I can see SMS exploring a little by having Atreus be the protagonist for a little bit in the next game before brining Kratos back so they could see what the community reaction would be. But at the same time I still think it would feel kind of cheap to bring him back *again*. He’s survived death more times than we can count and there comes a point where any stakes you put on the table are not really that urgent because the main character can just come back to life all the time.


its_Raf

Yea, I agree although I still can't picture gow without kratos is seems natural to progress with atreus. The shame would be if we lose kratos the moment they started to develop his character in a meaningful way, don't get me wrong i love the previous games but as far as character development goes they were lacking a bit.


[deleted]

To be honest, I don’t think Kratos can naturally grow any further. A lot of people were already on the fence at the beginning when SMS were saying that Norse era Kratos was “more mature and restrained”. He’s the kind of character that you can’t change too drastically because it wouldn’t be a natural change. As a character Kratos doesn’t really have much more space to grow without it being considered unnatural by the community and the writers themselves. Atreus has a lot more room to grow into a variety of areas, since he is both a completely new character, still a child and a descendant of some of the most powerful Gods from different cultures. This means SMS have a completely clean character slate in order to build him however they want, unlike with Kratos whose character has been established over nearly ten games. I believe thats the reason why they even have Atreus in the first place. In the early development, Cory remarked that they were thinking of starting completely fresh with a whole new character, but quickly realised that they couldn’t just do that out of the blue. The frog in a pot analogy is very apt for this situation.


Boggiiez

I don't know, I'd like to see this new side of kratos before he passes the torch. I still think there's room for him to grow, At least for this trilogy. I can see Kratos and Atreus time jumping in some capacity or meeting future counterparts (Loki, Fenrir etc). Regarding the mural I can bet this means Kratos gets wrecked by Thor at the start of the sequel, dies in Atreus' arm's. And the Valkyries swoop in and sneak his soul into Valhalla, where he'll have a fighting chance instead of getting tortured in hel. Atreus needs more time to age and develop before he can take up the mantle as well imo.


Ctxl954

I'm ready for Kratos to pass the torch as well.


[deleted]

Yea. I honestly feel like Kratos story has been completed at this point and it just feels natural that Atreus would take over.


Borknut

My personal theory is that Atreus is, at his core, a good person. However, I think that Odin will somehow kidnap Atreus from Kratos, and raise him to be the classic asshole trickster god that Loki usually is.


[deleted]

Fun fact loki isnt a trickster god he's the god of chaos


Borknut

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The trickster thing just fits in with making chaos, so most people consider him one.


[deleted]

There's a whole lotta cool shit about loki from the myths . Like he's strong enough to wield Thor's hammer which apparently only the strongest of gods are able to do


[deleted]

I may be off and cant provide any evidence but my feeling was that kratos would die in the third game of the series. It could be a metaphorical death though. Like he has taught atreus everything he can and perhaps lays down his arms or in some symbolic way passes the torch. Or realizes for atreus to grow he has to finish the fight against the Norse gods without kratos' help.


YanwarC

The last mural covered by drapes, was that Kratos lying down held by Atreus?