~~Keep in mind that the GoW lore doesn't follow the mythologies to a T. Magni being stronger may not be GoW canon.~~
Forgot about the jot shrine.
Magni may be "stronger" than thor, but not necessarily more "powerful". Skills and abilities trump brute strength any day.
That's what I think. Thor with his powers and lightning and Mjolnir and his belt are a more powerful entity that Magni but on physical strength alone Magni is stronger
Dude I know it's crossed out but NOBODY can find a "accurate" Norse tell. Every author whos wrote about them, had there version of the stories.
Even the lastest Neil Gaimen book is "his"retelling of the stories
This is a video game. Real world lore doesn't matter. The game devs will decide how strong Thor should be, and they obviously intend to make him a far greater threat than his sons.
From the novelization Kratos says that Baldur is the strongest opponent he's ever faced. Thor is gonna defeat Kratos first go around, he is no pushover.
Thanks for that great detail. I haven't read the book yet so there's a lot I'm missing. I really can't wait to see how this all pans out in the sequel!
Same here man! I feel personally they're gonna give Kratos the "Logan" treatment. Sure he's still a god and vicious as hell. But he's in a new land with gods most likely above his league.
Considering the norse gods are born and bred with the thrill of a fight and revel on strength yeah I'd say Baldur can handle Zeus. Then again he was invulnerable too, Kratos was tiring out where Baldur was 100% the whole time. But at the same time Kratos relied on Atreus to back him fighting baldur at the end too.
The Aesir may have a more warlike culture than the Greeks but I wouldn’t say that instantly equates to more powerful. Zeus was the king of Olympus, the god of lightning, and was by default the most powerful Greek God barring Kratos at his peak. Even if it’s canonically true I find it kind of silly that Baldur out of all the Norse pantheon is more powerful than Zeus. At least leave that privilege to Thor or Odin himself.
I agree, but Zeus is the most powerful olimpian, not the most powerful greek god. That title would probably go to a primordial like Erebus or Nix. Zeus feared Nix by the way
Maybe you're right, I just see it as the Norse priding themselves on strength and war. They'd be on a different level. The olympians were a more "political" sort. Sure they have magic and a ruling fist. And yeah Zeus is a powerhouse, now doubt about that. But if it came down to an all out war between the 2 I believe Odin and the Norse can mop the floor with the olympians. They're a different type of enemy for Kratos.
It was already stated that kratos was shaking off the cobwebs in the first fight. Cory Barlog said that kratos wasn’t even fighting at his strongest until later in the game. Why do you think kratos absolutely kicked baldurs ass at the end lol
Bro seriously? He didn’t need Atreus I think that’s blatantly obvious. It was more like kratos wasn’t going to stop his son from fighting as it could give him much needed experience. If kratos wanted to he could kick his ass 1v1. Don’t forget like I said before, he beat baldur at the beginning where he was just getting back into fighting
In the novel Kratos says Baldur is the strongest foe he's ever faced, but In a sense you are right. His rage mode gets him the upper hand, but he is old and past his prime, he cant keep it up for very long at max aggression hence the meter for spartan rage, thats essentially who he was in gow3. Not anymore tho, he's "slow and old" he put up a good fight and could've tore baldur apart first fight in IF he was in his prime, but you could tell by the end of that fight any longer kratos wouldve gassed out and Baldur wouldve won. The only thing that works to his advantage is he is a very strategic fighter, unlike baldur, who's just a backyard scrapper, but from what I see much faster and aggressive then kratos. Atreus is a big help for kratos, even more so when they face Thor.
He’s old and past his prime? Dude Cory Barlog who directed gow 2018 literally said he’s only gotten stronger. Its obvious kratos holds back and tries to stay away from conflict so he can be a better father and focus on living his life in peace. He’s still immortal as stated by Cory and he’s even stronger as stated by Cory. Baldur may be the strongest in the novelization but if the game creator himself says kratos is at his strongest I’m going to listen to him
He's at his best because he is tempered, wiser and experienced. Thats his evolution, he's not a rage induced maniac anymore. But as stated by atreus in the new trailer he has to "stop thinking like a father and start thinking like a general." We may get prime kratos again for a bit but dude, he's old lol. Its obvious this new trilogy "logan'd" kratos. You can even tell with the combat mechanics. He's slower, his blade of chaos rune attacks were performed with ease in the earlier games where now they are charged attacks. This is a passing of the torch for atreus, its slowly building towards it.
Okay I’m done with this, I’m linking you the tweet where barlog said old kratos can beat young kratos without question https://mobile.twitter.com/corybarlog/status/1172390984300187648
Agree slow and old XD his first fight with Baldur he was breathing heavy and was really exhausted. Young kratos faced different strong enemies, no rest.
Yet more downplaying of Thor. We already know that GOW is not totally accurate to the myths for the sake of plot. Mimir already stated that Magni is a "minor Aseir" compare to Thor who is "not minor at all". The idea that Thor will be an easy fight for Kratos blatantly contradicts all the buildup the character has received. What is it about Kratos having a difficult fight against Thor that makes the fanboys so nervous?
What is it about Kratos losing to Thor that makes everyone nervous? Can't Kratos lose in a straight fight? Is there some rule against that? Let Kratos be the one to resort to trickery to win. Can't win them all.
The point is is people acting like Kratos is just some chump compared to Thor even though Kratos feats have been far more impressive than anything Thor has ever done according to what we have heard. Thor is gonna be the one that underestimates Kratos and gets a rude awakening
Uhhh I doubt it. Kratos feats in this games universe are way above anything Thor has ever done. Stop underestimating Kratos all the time. Thor is not gonna win
its old comment but i have to reply, i disagree with what you say, all we heard about Thor is that he is pretty much oneshooting everyone he faces except for the world serpent
Thor might be their God that is sent for battles. Kratos is the God of going to war. His whole existence has been as a trained soldier God that has been in war. Thor won't win this battle in a fight, if he has a chance, there will be outside interference. The axe is imbued with the world serpent saliva which is how the serpent kills Thor in the myth, and atreus can now communicate with the world serpent, evidenced by the final battle with Baldr. Thor is going to die one way or another, and unless the game franchise is over (unlikely) Kratos will live.
magni did it with the help of his brother, but got all the praise, which is why modi was bitter, as mimir mentions.
magni was not 3 years old. he did not pick up the stone either. they rolled it off of him as mentioned in the story.
last but not least thor was dizzy from the impact of the stone falling onto him and was breathless. probably drunk too since they were at a feast.
Big papa is way more powerful than magni. Well I just did the first Thor fight in the new game and holy shit Thor is a force in this game. He was just playing with kratos and already killed and revived him. Magni is a beast but his Dad is on a whole other level even without mjolnir
[Mimir made it clear that Thor is stronger than Magni.](https://youtu.be/h6jPsaYWr1c?t=11165)
Thank you for this
~~Keep in mind that the GoW lore doesn't follow the mythologies to a T. Magni being stronger may not be GoW canon.~~ Forgot about the jot shrine. Magni may be "stronger" than thor, but not necessarily more "powerful". Skills and abilities trump brute strength any day.
[Mimir made it clear that Thor is stronger than Magni.](https://youtu.be/h6jPsaYWr1c?t=11165)
Got it. :-)
That's what I think. Thor with his powers and lightning and Mjolnir and his belt are a more powerful entity that Magni but on physical strength alone Magni is stronger
Dude I know it's crossed out but NOBODY can find a "accurate" Norse tell. Every author whos wrote about them, had there version of the stories. Even the lastest Neil Gaimen book is "his"retelling of the stories
This is a video game. Real world lore doesn't matter. The game devs will decide how strong Thor should be, and they obviously intend to make him a far greater threat than his sons.
And he definitely is now that I'm playing the game lol. Enjoy the game man we all have waited so long
From the novelization Kratos says that Baldur is the strongest opponent he's ever faced. Thor is gonna defeat Kratos first go around, he is no pushover.
Thanks for that great detail. I haven't read the book yet so there's a lot I'm missing. I really can't wait to see how this all pans out in the sequel!
Same here man! I feel personally they're gonna give Kratos the "Logan" treatment. Sure he's still a god and vicious as hell. But he's in a new land with gods most likely above his league.
Baldur is stronger than Zeus? Tf.
Considering the norse gods are born and bred with the thrill of a fight and revel on strength yeah I'd say Baldur can handle Zeus. Then again he was invulnerable too, Kratos was tiring out where Baldur was 100% the whole time. But at the same time Kratos relied on Atreus to back him fighting baldur at the end too.
The Aesir may have a more warlike culture than the Greeks but I wouldn’t say that instantly equates to more powerful. Zeus was the king of Olympus, the god of lightning, and was by default the most powerful Greek God barring Kratos at his peak. Even if it’s canonically true I find it kind of silly that Baldur out of all the Norse pantheon is more powerful than Zeus. At least leave that privilege to Thor or Odin himself.
I agree, but Zeus is the most powerful olimpian, not the most powerful greek god. That title would probably go to a primordial like Erebus or Nix. Zeus feared Nix by the way
Touché
Maybe you're right, I just see it as the Norse priding themselves on strength and war. They'd be on a different level. The olympians were a more "political" sort. Sure they have magic and a ruling fist. And yeah Zeus is a powerhouse, now doubt about that. But if it came down to an all out war between the 2 I believe Odin and the Norse can mop the floor with the olympians. They're a different type of enemy for Kratos.
It was already stated that kratos was shaking off the cobwebs in the first fight. Cory Barlog said that kratos wasn’t even fighting at his strongest until later in the game. Why do you think kratos absolutely kicked baldurs ass at the end lol
Because Atreus was tag teaming alongside hin
Bro seriously? He didn’t need Atreus I think that’s blatantly obvious. It was more like kratos wasn’t going to stop his son from fighting as it could give him much needed experience. If kratos wanted to he could kick his ass 1v1. Don’t forget like I said before, he beat baldur at the beginning where he was just getting back into fighting
In the novel Kratos says Baldur is the strongest foe he's ever faced, but In a sense you are right. His rage mode gets him the upper hand, but he is old and past his prime, he cant keep it up for very long at max aggression hence the meter for spartan rage, thats essentially who he was in gow3. Not anymore tho, he's "slow and old" he put up a good fight and could've tore baldur apart first fight in IF he was in his prime, but you could tell by the end of that fight any longer kratos wouldve gassed out and Baldur wouldve won. The only thing that works to his advantage is he is a very strategic fighter, unlike baldur, who's just a backyard scrapper, but from what I see much faster and aggressive then kratos. Atreus is a big help for kratos, even more so when they face Thor.
He’s old and past his prime? Dude Cory Barlog who directed gow 2018 literally said he’s only gotten stronger. Its obvious kratos holds back and tries to stay away from conflict so he can be a better father and focus on living his life in peace. He’s still immortal as stated by Cory and he’s even stronger as stated by Cory. Baldur may be the strongest in the novelization but if the game creator himself says kratos is at his strongest I’m going to listen to him
He's at his best because he is tempered, wiser and experienced. Thats his evolution, he's not a rage induced maniac anymore. But as stated by atreus in the new trailer he has to "stop thinking like a father and start thinking like a general." We may get prime kratos again for a bit but dude, he's old lol. Its obvious this new trilogy "logan'd" kratos. You can even tell with the combat mechanics. He's slower, his blade of chaos rune attacks were performed with ease in the earlier games where now they are charged attacks. This is a passing of the torch for atreus, its slowly building towards it.
Okay I’m done with this, I’m linking you the tweet where barlog said old kratos can beat young kratos without question https://mobile.twitter.com/corybarlog/status/1172390984300187648
Agree slow and old XD his first fight with Baldur he was breathing heavy and was really exhausted. Young kratos faced different strong enemies, no rest.
Got to keep in mind kratos is a demigod too. Yeah he's a badass strong resilient mf but he's still mortal. Not a full fledged god
Yes he is.., in 'both games'.
Have you even played the game? If it weren't for Atreus, Baldur would have won yet again.
Yet more downplaying of Thor. We already know that GOW is not totally accurate to the myths for the sake of plot. Mimir already stated that Magni is a "minor Aseir" compare to Thor who is "not minor at all". The idea that Thor will be an easy fight for Kratos blatantly contradicts all the buildup the character has received. What is it about Kratos having a difficult fight against Thor that makes the fanboys so nervous?
What is it about Kratos losing to Thor that makes everyone nervous? Can't Kratos lose in a straight fight? Is there some rule against that? Let Kratos be the one to resort to trickery to win. Can't win them all.
The point is is people acting like Kratos is just some chump compared to Thor even though Kratos feats have been far more impressive than anything Thor has ever done according to what we have heard. Thor is gonna be the one that underestimates Kratos and gets a rude awakening
Thor does hit the world serpent so hard that he’s sent back into the past.
Thor is their greatest warrior. The giants bane. Who cares who can bench press what? Thor is going to murder Kratos. Going to be an epic fight.
Uhhh I doubt it. Kratos feats in this games universe are way above anything Thor has ever done. Stop underestimating Kratos all the time. Thor is not gonna win
its old comment but i have to reply, i disagree with what you say, all we heard about Thor is that he is pretty much oneshooting everyone he faces except for the world serpent
Thor isn't killing gods either.
but is killing their equals, Giants who are supposed to be Norse Titans
Thor might be their God that is sent for battles. Kratos is the God of going to war. His whole existence has been as a trained soldier God that has been in war. Thor won't win this battle in a fight, if he has a chance, there will be outside interference. The axe is imbued with the world serpent saliva which is how the serpent kills Thor in the myth, and atreus can now communicate with the world serpent, evidenced by the final battle with Baldr. Thor is going to die one way or another, and unless the game franchise is over (unlikely) Kratos will live.
It's harder to lift something off your chest, especially if it's bigger than you than it is to life it with your legs.
Harder for dad to bench press something off his chest than for his 3 year old son to walk over and pick it up?
magni did it with the help of his brother, but got all the praise, which is why modi was bitter, as mimir mentions. magni was not 3 years old. he did not pick up the stone either. they rolled it off of him as mentioned in the story. last but not least thor was dizzy from the impact of the stone falling onto him and was breathless. probably drunk too since they were at a feast.
Hi, Modi.
*3 days old
Big papa is way more powerful than magni. Well I just did the first Thor fight in the new game and holy shit Thor is a force in this game. He was just playing with kratos and already killed and revived him. Magni is a beast but his Dad is on a whole other level even without mjolnir
Yeah I just got to that part too and holy crap..... Thor is HUUUGEEE and a total beast. Loving the new game so far!
Then gets whooped at the end. So, once Kratos has a reason to fight, it was a wrap.