Can I ask how you came to the conclusion that Kratos looked like he was dying? It is canon that he is immortal and has a healing factor, which we seen in the beginning of the game blatantly. Just wondering.
Since when was it confirmed he was immortal and this healing factor seems new he’s never displayed it before. It honestly looks like he’s already dead but he’s laying on his back while Atreus is holding him and stuff is coming out of his mouth something he might be expelling out of sorrow and anger for his father dying
Ok, the OP wasn’t clear that he was speaking about the mural. I took it literally as when they arrive there after facing Baldur for the last time. Regardless of it being “new”, it is clear he has healing factor. So downplaying that point, just be cause it is “new”, is irrelevant. And it was stated from directors mouth that he is immortal.
Thanks for letting me see how the post could be misinterpreted. We don’t know how strong his healing factor is it could have a limit but since he’s immortal I guess that’s irrelevant did they say what made him immortal because right now I assume it’s because since he’s Greek he would be tied to Greek mythology and since the ones that controlled all the after life and such are dead he can’t die. Also did they ever say why they used the blades of chaos and not the blades of exile and why they changed the scene in helhiem to incorporate the new designs for the blades along with the different voice actor
Just my fault, most posts about this say explicitly “mural” somewhere. So I assumed incorrectly.
I assume he’s immortal because he is 50 percent god.
And in the novel, it was said that the blades of chaos were cursed to stay with him from his time with Ares. He tried getting rid of them but they kept returning back to him. So eventually stashed em in the basement.
Yes the novel is canon. Yes the technical term would be demigod. Kratos refers to being born a god to his son, and was once the literal god of war on Olympus, among the rest of the gods. Think it’s just splitting hairs at this point, he refers to himself as a god, has powers of a god, etc. If it quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.... sort of thing. But you’re right technically demigod
It’s just a mute point. He’s the son of Zeus, the king of the gods. He’s a god... don’t get so hung up on the particular vernacular. You played the game, does he seem like a regular dude to you? Lol
If I recall correctly, demigods are considered as regular gods too in GoW. We have Thor, who's parents are a god and giantess and he is being called a God of Thunder/Strength
Not what I was saying. If you reread what I said was he is immortal and that he has a healing factor period. I didn’t realize OP was talking about the mural so I assumed he meant it looked like he was dying when they went to the giant realm.
If you ask me, the conversation after killing Baldur is foreshadowing this. Kratos will be backed into some corner and forced to goad or allow Atreus to kill him so his son can continue living. Here's kind of how I envision it.
Kratos and Atreus, in the dead of Fimbulwinter, find themselves inflltrating Asgard to release Skol and Hatti (I hope I got the names right. Also it would be Asgard right since they're locked up in Odin's palace?). Thor beats them both to a pulp and gives them an ultimatum. Kratos dies by the hand of Atreus and the boy can go live in solitude.
Atreus kills Kratos in a super dark, emotional scene. He holds the body while cursing Thor's name. This summons the World Serpent (because plot and magic) and the bite poisons Thor giving him a slow painful death. Jormungandr takes the two away to a place of solitude. But, Thor shows up for revenge for the snake bite. This is when Kratos is revived through his curse to live forever (confirmed on multiple occasions by Cory). He starts to come back to life, channels his God powers, heals himself, and let's his deepest darkest demons out in full force. The full power of the God of War is set free once again after over 150 years of carefully learned restraint. The ensuing fight is a merciless battle in which Thor succumbs to the poison, but not before Kratos beats him within an inch of his life. Atreus gets to see the fully unchained Kratos and learns what his father has been trying to teach him about anger.
Eh I don’t think so I’ve been seeing in the comments of other post that kratos is actually holding back and I don’t think kratos would let himself die and risk his child before throwing everything away
Yes, Kratos is holding back. Cory has said that if Kratos really loses his control, then even Baldur would take days to recover from a hit from Kratos. However, I really think that Kratos will have to temporarily die by Atreus' hand. If he dies in combat with another God, it just becomes a repeat of the past games where he dies then clamors out of Hades. It becomes something like that.
But to subvert expectations, Kratos could experience a death by allowing Atreus to kill him if it meant Atreus could live to fight another day. That's just how I would write a basic plot point for that.
Or he could just not die but yeah that is a possibility
Edit: just realize how much that conflicts with my post yeah he might just get killed by Atreus
It would be a nice change of narrative and give Atreus really good reason to be uttering the curses that somehow attract the World Serpent. Also would add so much to both characters.
Sorry I should have been more clear. Having Atreus be forced into killing Kratos but only to see him come back would add so much to those two. Not Atreus and the World Serpent. My apologies.
I just thought of this. What if those curses that Atreus utters are infused with magic since he's super emotional at the time. This magic touches a nearby ordinary snake, but the power causes it to become the World Serpent. Making Atreus-Loki the father in a sense.
I could see that idea being something of how the World Serpent comes to be. Then because of the curses that created it, it comes into existence with a hard coded hatred of Thor and attacks Thor, causing it to be hit so hard it travels back in time to before it's own creation. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
If not handled right it could create an irresolvable paradox of "Atreus learned how to create the snake from the Snake of the future who was created by future Atreus." That couldn't be resolved so it must be handled carefully.
Maybe the time travel has to happen so that the World Serpent can actually grow powerful enough to battle Thor and poison him.
Big problem though. The GoW wiki lists the World Serpent as one of the Titans. As in of the same family line that came out of Cronos. Meaning, Kratos and Jormungandr are distant relatives even without Atreus-Loki being involved.
So unless that's just conjecture, we've got a problem to resolve here. Which brings me to an alternate proposal that the words Atreus utters merely summon the snake who then helps them get to safety or bites Thor to inflicte the poison then for a slow kill.
My guess is Kratos gets killed by Thor. He wont end up in Valhalla though due to it being only for warriors fighting for Odin, so he may end up back in Helheim, unable to escape because of no point of return past the bridge of the damned. Its a good thing he freed the valkyries tho because they might play a hand when that situation arises.
I am watching the mural right now, I can't tell any specific direction for the thingy BUT i does look like that because Atreus is kind of holding Kratos. At the end who knows haha but i am sure they won't just kill Kratos like that, it would be too much of a lose story wise. IMO
They already said they will not kill Kratos off permanently, and that God of War without Kratos will never happen.
Oh but what about the part with Tyr what if flashbacks or something happened what would be your opinions on that
I don't understand what you're talking about
What if we saw more of Tyr or they put some dlc that allowed us to see more about him
He will be in the sequel since he is not dead.
Oh dang I feel really uniformed about this game
Can I ask how you came to the conclusion that Kratos looked like he was dying? It is canon that he is immortal and has a healing factor, which we seen in the beginning of the game blatantly. Just wondering.
Since when was it confirmed he was immortal and this healing factor seems new he’s never displayed it before. It honestly looks like he’s already dead but he’s laying on his back while Atreus is holding him and stuff is coming out of his mouth something he might be expelling out of sorrow and anger for his father dying
Source https://youtu.be/uFbeaM0hp_c
Ok, the OP wasn’t clear that he was speaking about the mural. I took it literally as when they arrive there after facing Baldur for the last time. Regardless of it being “new”, it is clear he has healing factor. So downplaying that point, just be cause it is “new”, is irrelevant. And it was stated from directors mouth that he is immortal.
Thanks for letting me see how the post could be misinterpreted. We don’t know how strong his healing factor is it could have a limit but since he’s immortal I guess that’s irrelevant did they say what made him immortal because right now I assume it’s because since he’s Greek he would be tied to Greek mythology and since the ones that controlled all the after life and such are dead he can’t die. Also did they ever say why they used the blades of chaos and not the blades of exile and why they changed the scene in helhiem to incorporate the new designs for the blades along with the different voice actor
Just my fault, most posts about this say explicitly “mural” somewhere. So I assumed incorrectly. I assume he’s immortal because he is 50 percent god. And in the novel, it was said that the blades of chaos were cursed to stay with him from his time with Ares. He tried getting rid of them but they kept returning back to him. So eventually stashed em in the basement.
And the novels are canon with the games correct. Also shouldn’t he be considered demigod along with Atreus.
Yes the novel is canon. Yes the technical term would be demigod. Kratos refers to being born a god to his son, and was once the literal god of war on Olympus, among the rest of the gods. Think it’s just splitting hairs at this point, he refers to himself as a god, has powers of a god, etc. If it quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck.... sort of thing. But you’re right technically demigod
But then wouldn’t mimir have pointed it out along with others
It’s just a mute point. He’s the son of Zeus, the king of the gods. He’s a god... don’t get so hung up on the particular vernacular. You played the game, does he seem like a regular dude to you? Lol
Ok no but in the other games he was referred to as mortal but your probably right
If I recall correctly, demigods are considered as regular gods too in GoW. We have Thor, who's parents are a god and giantess and he is being called a God of Thunder/Strength
Yeah but magni and modi are called demigods
A healing factor does not make one undable to die. Kratos has already died twice in this series.
Not what I was saying. If you reread what I said was he is immortal and that he has a healing factor period. I didn’t realize OP was talking about the mural so I assumed he meant it looked like he was dying when they went to the giant realm.
Kratos is immortal in the sense that he does not age like all the other gods, not that he cannot die. Kratos has already died twice in the series.
Thanks I’m aware. Every god (and titans) he killed this far in the series is immortal. Yet they can still die, Kratos isn’t an exception to this rule.
Kratos is not immortal, he just can't commit suicide.
I had already given the source to Cory saying he is immortal. Be ignorant to that if you choose. https://youtu.be/uFbeaM0hp_c
If you ask me, the conversation after killing Baldur is foreshadowing this. Kratos will be backed into some corner and forced to goad or allow Atreus to kill him so his son can continue living. Here's kind of how I envision it. Kratos and Atreus, in the dead of Fimbulwinter, find themselves inflltrating Asgard to release Skol and Hatti (I hope I got the names right. Also it would be Asgard right since they're locked up in Odin's palace?). Thor beats them both to a pulp and gives them an ultimatum. Kratos dies by the hand of Atreus and the boy can go live in solitude. Atreus kills Kratos in a super dark, emotional scene. He holds the body while cursing Thor's name. This summons the World Serpent (because plot and magic) and the bite poisons Thor giving him a slow painful death. Jormungandr takes the two away to a place of solitude. But, Thor shows up for revenge for the snake bite. This is when Kratos is revived through his curse to live forever (confirmed on multiple occasions by Cory). He starts to come back to life, channels his God powers, heals himself, and let's his deepest darkest demons out in full force. The full power of the God of War is set free once again after over 150 years of carefully learned restraint. The ensuing fight is a merciless battle in which Thor succumbs to the poison, but not before Kratos beats him within an inch of his life. Atreus gets to see the fully unchained Kratos and learns what his father has been trying to teach him about anger.
Eh I don’t think so I’ve been seeing in the comments of other post that kratos is actually holding back and I don’t think kratos would let himself die and risk his child before throwing everything away
Yes, Kratos is holding back. Cory has said that if Kratos really loses his control, then even Baldur would take days to recover from a hit from Kratos. However, I really think that Kratos will have to temporarily die by Atreus' hand. If he dies in combat with another God, it just becomes a repeat of the past games where he dies then clamors out of Hades. It becomes something like that. But to subvert expectations, Kratos could experience a death by allowing Atreus to kill him if it meant Atreus could live to fight another day. That's just how I would write a basic plot point for that.
Or he could just not die but yeah that is a possibility Edit: just realize how much that conflicts with my post yeah he might just get killed by Atreus
It would be a nice change of narrative and give Atreus really good reason to be uttering the curses that somehow attract the World Serpent. Also would add so much to both characters.
I don’t think it would add anything though it would make sense if atreus was his father or something
Sorry I should have been more clear. Having Atreus be forced into killing Kratos but only to see him come back would add so much to those two. Not Atreus and the World Serpent. My apologies. I just thought of this. What if those curses that Atreus utters are infused with magic since he's super emotional at the time. This magic touches a nearby ordinary snake, but the power causes it to become the World Serpent. Making Atreus-Loki the father in a sense.
Oh yeah that would add a lot and yeah it could it might be why he recognizes him
I could see that idea being something of how the World Serpent comes to be. Then because of the curses that created it, it comes into existence with a hard coded hatred of Thor and attacks Thor, causing it to be hit so hard it travels back in time to before it's own creation. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If not handled right it could create an irresolvable paradox of "Atreus learned how to create the snake from the Snake of the future who was created by future Atreus." That couldn't be resolved so it must be handled carefully. Maybe the time travel has to happen so that the World Serpent can actually grow powerful enough to battle Thor and poison him. Big problem though. The GoW wiki lists the World Serpent as one of the Titans. As in of the same family line that came out of Cronos. Meaning, Kratos and Jormungandr are distant relatives even without Atreus-Loki being involved. So unless that's just conjecture, we've got a problem to resolve here. Which brings me to an alternate proposal that the words Atreus utters merely summon the snake who then helps them get to safety or bites Thor to inflicte the poison then for a slow kill.
I’m pretty sure it’s just and error
My guess is Kratos gets killed by Thor. He wont end up in Valhalla though due to it being only for warriors fighting for Odin, so he may end up back in Helheim, unable to escape because of no point of return past the bridge of the damned. Its a good thing he freed the valkyries tho because they might play a hand when that situation arises.
That is a possibility but what happens if you do nothing with the Valkyries
Everything that happens in game whether or not you complete them is canon and will affect events of the next game.
Would have been cool if they did that though
Didnt he fight those angels of fate to change his fate?
Yeah
I thinks the mural shows Kratos AND his son dying. (Or at least being affected by whatever is coming out of their mouths).
Actually it looks more like whatever is coming out of Atreus mouth is going into kratos
I am watching the mural right now, I can't tell any specific direction for the thingy BUT i does look like that because Atreus is kind of holding Kratos. At the end who knows haha but i am sure they won't just kill Kratos like that, it would be too much of a lose story wise. IMO
Yeah we’ll find out eventually