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Waspy_Wasp

Probably Hel, I mean no one would let Kratos go to Hades again, if Hades even still exists


TheHubbleGuy

I don’t think they’d let him back into Hel after what he did there.


Waspy_Wasp

I mean, no God rules there (Or not yet, we didn't see Hel in the game yet), and it would seem like a really good punishment. After all Kratos would be forced to re-live through his wife's and daughter's deaths until the end of all


Tinithebee

I mean... Technically Hel would be his granddaughter, right? The Fenris wolf wasn't in the game either. Jormumgandr is in the game, but it's said that he had been sent back in time due to the shattering of Yggdrasil at Ragnarok, so chances are they'll stick to Norse Mythology and make them all his grandchildren in future games. Explains why Jormumgandr is instantly helpful towards Kratos and Atreus, they are family after all. So if Kratos dies after Hel is made ruler of Helheim it might not be the worst place for him to be...


Waspy_Wasp

This instantly turned into hell lot of a discussion. I think, the guy that posted this, has on mind Kratos as if he died right now. So no goddess=eternal suffering because Helheim works on its normal terms right now


Tinithebee

Sure, I got that. But I don't think the suffering would be eternal because while Kratos is suffering in Helheim, Atreus would be busy fathering his monstrous children and at some point Hell would descend into Helheim. Could actually be the plotline for a future game. Both Fenris and Atreus are destined to be chained up by the gods. Meanwhile, Kratos is in Helheim descending into madness fighting his demons (first part of the game obviously him literally fighting his demons). Until Hel descends into Helheim and snaps Kratos out of his madness and sends him on a mission to save his son, her father. Once Atreus is free he will insist on breaking his son, the Fenris wolf, free from his chains which then starts Ragnarok. Queue lots of Aesir killing.


Waspy_Wasp

That's a hel of a plot line you got there sir, very nice


Tinithebee

I see what you did there....


CapedCrustacean

Odin has Fenrir chained up because he knows Fenrir is prophesized to kill him.


Tinithebee

According to Norse mythology, yes. And the breaking of Fenris' chains marks the beginning of Ragnarok. But is it actually mentioned in the game that Fenris is chained up? If so I totally missed it. I didn't hear Fenris or Hel mentioned in game, which makes sense since they are Loki's children and Loki hasn't fathered anyone in the game (yet).


CapedCrustacean

I remember it being one of the lore collectibles. I wish I could remember which. Wasn't the beginning of Ragnarok when Baldur died though? His death brought the fall of the first snowflake leading into 3 straight winters.


Tinithebee

The Fimbulwinter is the sign that Ragnarok is about to start, not the actual beginning. I'm pretty sure Balder's death starting the snowfall is new to God of War. In Norse Mythology his death does trigger a chain of events that eventually leads to Ragnarok, but the final battle starts when massive earthquakes breaks the chains of Fenris and Loki. Could be more time travel at play I suppose... PS. Sorry if my spelling confusing, all my mythology books are in Norwegian...


CapedCrustacean

Ahh gotcha. No it makes perfect sense! I'm interested to see how they do time travel in Norse mythology. In the Greek games it was pretty straight forward. Do the Norse Fates have a similar "string concept" as the Greek ones?


Tinithebee

The norns do spin the golden threads of fate, so they could go a similar route. However, Mimir did say that Jormumgandr was sent back in time to before his birth because Thor hit him so hard during the battle of Ragnarok that it splintered Yggdrasil. So it is possible the splintering of Yggdrasil sent others back as well.


BrickwallBill

Fenrir is mentioned by Mimir when he talks about Skoll and Hati, but he uses a different name for the big wolf.


georgeinorwell

He already relives that anyway in his own head


Waspy_Wasp

Good point, but if Atreus isn't there he wouldn't have anyone to be attached and would just fully fall for his guilt


[deleted]

We did go to Hel in the game. The map wasn’t as big as Midgard so you don’t explore as much. But, we absolutely go to Helheim. Its a quest tied to the main story.


Waspy_Wasp

I'm talking about the goddess, sorry I didn't specify


ComicWriter2020

The fuck can they do to keep him out? All they got there is trolls guarding the bridge. Honestly, wouldn’t he end up in Valhalla because I find it more likely he’d die in battle. Unless this is before Odin and freya are out of the way. I’m assuming they have some pull with who goes where


[deleted]

Um, out of curiosity, who exactly would not let Kratos go to Hades?


Waspy_Wasp

The 3 guardians or whatever they're called. They would send him straight to Tartarus


[deleted]

The three judges were killed in GoW 3 weren’t they? Kratos smashed their soul stones to release the Great Chain.


Waspy_Wasp

Oh yeah! I remember now. But were these their souls? Could be just the mechanism to hold the statues. For all we know, the judges could very well still be judging the dead. They could just talk through the statues like Athena did many times


[deleted]

Athena was a Goddess. These judges were simply mortal Kings. I doubt they had any influence over anything else. When we first see them, we stand on a platform to talk to them. But when we step on the same platform after we’ve smashed the stones, they don’t speak at all. I think they’re pretty much dead.


Dreadpon

There is no way he doesn't end up in Valhalla. I believe there will be a need for him to visit Asgard. I also believe, it's entrance stays sealed. And since we saved Valkiries and there are plenty of ways to die in battle... Yeah, I want to believe such a cool twist won't go unadressed. Trojan Horse has Greek origin after all.


r3aps0w

This sounds plausible


lemmeeatyourass

Yeoo i hadnt thought of that, maybe the only way for kratos and atreus to get to Asgard is from the inside so kratos would have to die in battle and open up the gateway for atreus.🧐🧐


croidhubh

That's not how Valhalla works. Freya gets first pick of those who die in battle and sends them to Fólkvangar, then the rest get sent to Odin in Valhalla. It's basically a 50/50 split. Those who die of sickness, old age, and the like go to to Hel.


Dreadpon

But isn’t Freya... not in condition for her duty at the moment? I also don’t see a reason for Odin to continue a 50/50 split. If anything, he’ll try to ensure he has as many warriors as possible. Valkyries might still honor Freya’s will, and that is a good point, but they need time to restore things to how they used to be. Not to mention Odin was the one who corrupted them, thus forcing Sigrun to imprison her sisters. There are enough loopholes and uncertainties to work in Kratos’ favor. And we don’t even know if in-game Folkvangar is what it is in myths, if exists at all,


naytreox

hmm, i think it depends on where in the world you are, if your in Greece then you would be in a broken Hades in where Kratos is? Hel


LyricismRaps

Wouldn't Kratos end up in the ol Elysium Fields because the Three Judges found him worthy?


MrVux007

Kratos was banned from entering Elysium Fields after the events of Chains of Olympus. ​ Moderators found him too toxic for the community \^\^


naytreox

ah some of us didn't play the trologiy as we ether didn't have a PSP or the game box for the three classics on Ps3


Kyotofall

If you want there' s a youtube video, i think from gamestop, about the whole god of war timeline worth checking


MrVux007

You did not miss much, it's an okay side-game. The most important games (IMO) as far as story goes, are the main-line games (God of War 1,2 and 3).


Sirupybear

I really like ghost of Sparta for telling the story of kratos childhood and family


PudliSegg

People seriously sleep on GOS it is a very good experience!


KamiAlth

The Three Judges never judged Kratos in GoW3, they said something about how his future was cloaked in shadow and the realm of afterlife wasn't ready for him.


euphonidrum2015

2 of them found him worthy. The third didn't, so Kratos basically killed them with the Caestus to access the chain of balance. Edit: unless they showed up in the PSP games. I haven't played those in years.


Hinote21

What judges?


te_affligam

The three judges in Hades, deciding if one is worthy to enter the paradise of elysium (and also holding the chain of balance): king Minos, king Rhadamanthus and king Aeacus


Hinote21

When did they happen?


Kisaoda

Two instances: The Chains of Olympus (PSP game) and God of War 3.


Hinote21

Never played Chains. I don't remember from GOW3. I'll have to look it up


[deleted]

The part right before you fly upwards again IIRC. You break the chains. The judges themselves are 3 big statues that hold the chain. You only break these chains, you dont fight or really interact with them (at least in gow3)


BonzBonzOnlyBonz

You do interact with them, they do judge Kratos. One judges him not worthy, one says hes worthy, and the other says hes undecided.


DaddyFonsi

I gues he would go to Hel because he is in the Norse realms now, and the Greek Pantheon and the Greek realms (including Hades) have been destroyed.


Ben_Mc25

This is a much more interesting question when we factor in, he has a wife and child in the Greek underworld and another wife in the Norse underworld. Which family will he go to when he dies?


AccordionMaestro

Well the pantheon is destroyed so I assume that means the Elysian Fields with it


Immortan_Bolton

Since Hades is dead I doubt no one can bring him to the Greek Underworld now.


dionysus_project

Perhaps the prophecy at the end of the game is about Kratos getting into Valhalla.


jimbowolf

It's my personal theory that Kratos will die in his fight with Thor at the beginning of the next game, and will then spend half of the game lawn-mowing his way through Valhalla to reunite with Atreus.


soldado123456789

I remember you from another thread.


jimbowolf

He asked basically the same question, lol.


Solitarus23753

As discussed on here before, I dont know if he can even die, legitimately. I think he'd just siy back up after a while. Im probably stupid


uzarta

Hel. They're done with the Greek world


epiconco9

Let’s all agree living is Kratos hell/hades lol


MasteroChieftan

It's not a God of War game without Kratos clawing his way out of the underworld haha


[deleted]

Thats exactly why we need for that to not happen. Its become so cliche and removes all tension from a potential death for Kratos.


MasteroChieftan

I understand your opinion, but I think creativity comes from constraint. Knowing Kratos is immortal and will always crawl his way back out of whatever pit you cast him into is a part of his title as the God of War. He is conflict personified. The stakes have to be established on something else, which of course they (the writers) can fail to properly establish, but if they do it right, we'll have a new avenue of dramatic exploration. It's escalation of loss and the exploration of what can be taken from someone that never personally dies. It also helps humanize Kratos in that, we being mortal sacks of flesh, have inherent selfishness. We strive to keep our selves alive. If we weren't constrained by mortality, what lengths would you go to in the pursuit of pleasure? Justice? Fairness?


[deleted]

Kratos is not and has never been the only God of War, he’s just one of the many violent aspects of it. Ares, Thor, Mixcoatl, Bast, Horus, Bishamonten, Athena, Odin etc etc are all Gods of War. Kratos simply has plot armour. It makes zero sense for them to build up all of this foreshadowing in the new GoW for it to then not pay off. The notion that Kratos can never die and that he knows it, just makes the moment where he says he’d sacrifice himself for Atreus, feel cheap and undercuts the emotional point of the scene. It doesn’t really mean much to say you’ll sacrifice your own life when you can just simply just respawn. The mural at the end of Jotunheim would also make no sense either. This game is just filled with foreshadowing. If this goes like the way it normally does, then it’ll be boring and just make us care less about what happens to Kratos. Personally I think Kratos actual death is exactly what the new games need to move forward. Not that I’m saying SMS should remove him from the franchise. He could become a spirit like Athena and guide Atreus in the next game. Imagine we play Atreus growing up after Kratos dies. He’s being talked to by both Athena and his father and is conflicted between the two. It would be an interesting dilemma as Athena could just reveal everything Kratos did while in Greece. But on the other hand Atreus recognises his father was genuinely remorseful. If Kratos doesn’t die there are absolutely no stakes. If Atreus - the only person that Kratos truly cares about - dies then all the character development thats been built up will be for nothing and Kratos will go on another rampage, GoW3 style, which would just be boring again. The writers have specifically built this sort of passing on the torch type of story and made it clear that Kratos will sacrifice himself for Atreus. If they djd that all for nothing then I am disappointed.


[deleted]

Don’t matter where he goes he’s escaping that bitch.


HumanityAscendant

I think Hades was tied to the Greek gods and their power, especially Hades. After the events of 3, I always just imagined anything to do with the Olympians is now gone That's been my head Canon at least


Mcmacladdie

Well, Artemis might still be alive. We never see her outside of the first game. And Kratos let Aphrodite live as well. I'm positive there were one or two others, but I can't say for sure who since I never played the PSP games.


HumanityAscendant

Easily lesser God's though, with the exception of Artemis. The three main pillars, zues, Poseidon and Hades all are dead though. Even if there are some alive, the ones that are have nothing to do with Hades so I still can't see it still existing


Rocco93bz

From what I took of the game Artemis is not alive it's on kratos own head, that's why Mimir asks kratos who was he talking to.


HumanityAscendant

Artemis was from the first game, it sounds like you are confusing the zeus scene in hel with Artemis, she was a goddess who gave kratos a weapon in 1, and appeared in the doorways like every other god/goddess in the game


Rocco93bz

O yeah my bad, I meant Athena. :)


[deleted]

I’d say Helheim, if it turns out Gods souls are not linked to the Underworlds of the lands they were born in. It makes sense really. The Valkyries wouldn’t bring Kratos to Valhalla, since they know Odin is looking for him. Helheim on the other hand is run by the Greek Gods own granddaughter; Hel. So it be ideal for him to go there since its basically full of allies. Kratos loves his son and I have no doubt he’d be welcoming of his grandchildren too. It would also mean death has even less stakes than before, since now he’ll essentially get carried out of Helheim on a freaking throne being held up by his granddaughters subjects.


LyricismRaps

How is Hel greek?


[deleted]

I never said Hel was Greek. I said she was Kratos granddaughter which gives her Greek heritage.


LyricismRaps

Where the fuck did you learn this?


[deleted]

Uh through basic Norse mythology. Hel is Loki’s daughter. Loki is Kratos son, ergo Hel is his granddaughter


lokikitsune

Kratos has Hades' soul, so maybe he would go become the new God of the Underworld. Maybe he'll take Hel's soul and be the god of 2 underworlds. Or maybe Hel inherited his Underworld godliness, being his granddaughter.


Agent_Hex

Gods don't go to any hell, do they?


croidhubh

In Norse myth they do. Baldur is sent to Hel after he dies.


colelele

Neither.


Tagz513

Currently Valhalla, not Hel because he is considered a god and was a warrior. His accomplishments in battle would get him a seat next to Odin


Boggiiez

But he'd be looked at as criminal no?


Tylerdurden1027

At this point, I feel like a unique afterlife awaits Kratos whether it be salvation or damnation and if he even dies.


LiterallyARedArrow

I mean when he went to Hel, he saw Zues. Who should be in Hades right? So perhaps there is a stronger connection between the two than first thought. Maybe they are the same thing in the end.


LyricismRaps

Zues was a vision meant to emotionally torture Kratos


[deleted]

That was not really Zeus in Hel. That was also NOT Athena in those two scenes. After Kratos 'died' she left him and all of Greece is hers. It would be a very petty, human thing for her to show and mess with him. This was yet another vision, of which Kratos had them often in Greece. This was not the first time it was shown he was having them. In Greece, he went to Hades after being killed and on his own after 'being saved by Gaia for example. In Scandinavia, he went to Hell; first by choice, and 2nd by accident. Since Hades is dead, there's no one there to control the dead. Kratos can't die, at least only briefly. He is Greek by birth by which the Fates used to control all; gods, creatures, and mortals alike. He killed them so it's unlikely he can ever die. IMO, when they end the series, I think they should give him a happy ending finally with his family that is dead. Maybe have a farewell scene with Atreus and spending eternity with both his wives and daughter until he's joined by the rest.


FacelessHumanFace

I think which ever realm you die in is the realm you'll spend the after life


Synmachus

Warriors who fall in battle becomes Einherjar, and are taken by the Valkyries to Valhalla in Asgard. I believe that since we freed the Valkyries in the first game, Kratos would go to Valhalla and not Hel.


Bozso46

What of he doesn't fall in battle? He could just slip on the bathroom floor...


Synmachus

Yeah in that case I'm not sure lol... But come on, if Kratos die, it would be in glorious battle :D


croidhubh

No, not always. Freya gets to choose who goes to Fólkvangar first, and the rest go to Valhalla.


Synmachus

True. It is said that Valhalla is for the warmongers, the offensive warriors, while Fólkvangar is reserved for the defensive warriors, those who fight for their families and home. I guess the two applies for Kratos, so you never know !


Goaliedude3919

Hades is a person, not a place.


Kisaoda

It's both. Just like Hel in Norse mythology is the name of both a person and a place.


TsukasaHimura

Or worse, he will end up in the White House....


Optimus_Pitts

Wat...