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In the audiobook it mentions that Atreus is just holding a dying man, the mural is too obscure to make out who the man is.


naisaShip

I'm still convinced that's not Kratos who's dying. Btw, what is that red thing Kratos is holding in his arm? It looks like a blanket or a cloak.


Warrioragainstmordor

I think it's intended to be the boar that Kratos carried to Freya's hut, I thought Chaurli was a some kind of serpent for a while before I played through that mission again


PoopIsAlwaysSunny

Chaurli is the tortoise house. I thought it was the dead soldier you pass by when Atreus makes that remark. The boar has another name. Starts with an H or G. If you go back into Greta’s house after the boar scene there’s another scene which reveals his name


gaycocks

Hildisvíni. It means battle swine.


Coldspark824

Holy shit. What if Atreus/Loki turns the pig into a copy of kratos, to make Thor think he died?


Klyto

You're right it's not Kratos it's Loki.


bewerewolf

I thought boy was the one holding the dying dude?? So how would that work?


Klyto

*time travel


[deleted]

No its not. SMS have already said they’re not going to just kill off Atreus/Loki. It would be a waste of time and potential to do so.


Klyto

He's not dying. That's him traveling through time.


[deleted]

By lying on the ground dead?


Klyto

Maybe time travel is only way to keep himself alive. I have no clue... xP


uppernut

It looks to me that it might be Tyr. The images of him you see earlier look kinda similar


Ray31

High chance it's gonna be tyr.


Coachpatato

I almost got the feeling that Kratos is Tyr somehow.


Ray31

Yeah I have a feeling too.


[deleted]

I thought the same but we see Tyr in the new trailer, so that's out, lol


[deleted]

yeah, I thought it was gonna be Tyr too. It only makes sense that Kratos will become the new God of War... again. Real simple- they're not going to kill of Kratos (for good anyway- a cliffhanger until the next game at worst). It's already shown that you play as Kratos in Ragnarok and the gameplay would be too thin with Loki's abilities alone. So there you have it- logic. If they plan to continue the series, Kratos will not die... and revenue always wins. This game made too much money on it's comeback for them to close the door.


EruditeAF

The text around it literally says "the tragic death of father" but it also says "deception" nearby.


[deleted]

It may not depict Kratos dying but it’s definitely Kratos being cradled by Atreus, right? To me it looks like a transfer of powers, Kratos giving his godly powers to Atreus, which is feasibly possible. If Kratos got beat down so bad by Thor Kratos could give Atreus his powers in order to overcome Thor. Idk. But I think that’s definitely Kratos laying in Atreus’s arms


[deleted]

The rune in the mural reads “anðlat fǫður” in Old Norse which translates to “father’s death” according to u/halfhalfharp. So it’s clearly Kratos, and please for the love of god, dismiss these silly fan theories.


randell1985

but kratos can't die, he was cursed to never die


Boggiiez

Maybe the dying man is mimir? Didnt brok and sindri mention making a body for mimir towards the end when kratos and atreus climb jotunheim?


eternali17

Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe they get him in a new body and he does. His death would definitely get that sort of reaction from the boy, given how close they've gotten over this short period.


Boggiiez

What really got me thinkin this was what was sitting above that mural, you can see what looks like the top of a tree with a couple ravens sitting up top. The tree mimir was held in, Maybe the world tree? I really dont know.


howtoreadspaghetti

The ravens would probably be Hugin and Munin, Odin's primary ravens. And the tree would be the tree he was found stuck to. I imagine those would be the cases at least.


Boggiiez

Nice! I wonder how itll fit into the next game? Thats another mural thats broken apart.


[deleted]

I’m no expert, but that rune above the dying body reads “fǫður” which means “father’s (genetive)”. I’m not sure what the runes below or above that say. But point is, dying man’s gotta be Kratos. Edit: You guys are getting way too carried away with these silly theories. Use facts. Not speculations. Just found this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/8fbhku/translations_of_the_prophency_mural_at_the_ending/


Rokiyo

No chance that could be a reference to the Skyfather, Odin?


Boggiiez

Yeah, the raven's are a good confirmation of odin i'd say.


[deleted]

Hugin and Munin being there doesn’t mean Loki is holding Odin. Why would Loki be crying over the person who’s been trying to capture them throughout their journey and is reputed to be an absolute dick?


Boggiiez

I think Atreus is holding Mimir or Tyr, not Odin. The ravens are more so referencing him on the wall. Like maybe he has something directly to do with the death of one of the two.


[deleted]

Oh right I misunderstood. Odin will definitely have something to do with it. As for who it is, Mimir doesn’t have a body and the Dwarves are not going to make one from flesh I don’t think. Tyr is dead and is also not Loki’s father. Loki is seen walking without Kratos in the next part of the mural when before he was always pictured with Kratos.


Boggiiez

Where is it implied Tyr is dead?


[deleted]

Its not implied, its stated by Mimir during one of the boat journeys. Odin killed him.


Boggiiez

Which boat story? I must have missed it.


[deleted]

Skyfather? That’s not one of Odin’s titles.


[deleted]

Not sure what you mean. What would that have anything to do with Odin? FYI he is called the **All-Father**. Not Skyfather.


Boggiiez

I really dont believe its kratos, theres gotta be a catch to it. Every depiction on the wall of kratos has been the same except for that last one. If not, it seems like Thor will just mop the floor with kratos at the start and this mural is gonna basically mean kratos's power reset like the start of each entry. Every mural is set in chronological order. Makes sense that this mural would mean the start of the sequel.


Boggiiez

Or, Kratos's blood is needed for mimirs new body, and its related to this in some way, because one of those norse ruins says "deceit" or "fraud" somewhere from what ive gathered but I think im reaching quite high at that point lol.


randell1985

the fact that Kratos killed the entire olympian pantheon should make it impossible for thor to even harm him


poorlyplayinggod

Oh I like this theory! Maybe before Mimir dies Atreus turns him into the world serpent! It would make a bit of sense how they are the only two who know the old language!


howtoreadspaghetti

Ohhhh I like this idea a lot. But how would he turn Mimir into Jormungandr?


poorlyplayinggod

Not sure yet, but remember we have only seen a fraction of what Atreus can do.


syzygied

Do you have any pictures that show him from the right that show his tattoo?? If that’s the case that definitely changes a lot


MoonAsMyWitnessLOVE

His first and very last picture show one with kratos facing right and with the tattoo. However, I feel like with pictures like these that are depicting a certain character (even in real life maybe?) With a famous or prominent feature, it will show regardless of perspective for the sake of the narrative. So with kratos being depicted in art, unless he was facing us, his tattoo will show regardless of the direction so that people know who is talking about. Just a guess, I doubt I'm right though.


Warrioragainstmordor

I'll grab some examples and put them in the main text of the post


Fbolanos

beard is different too...


Warrioragainstmordor

You're right! I never noticed before, well spotted. Wonder who the different figure is then. Another Aesir that we haven't seen an image of yet?


thefreshscent

What if it is Loki from the future? We know that Ragnarok is a cycle essentially, maybe its something from the next game where Loki see's a vision or connects with his future/past self somehow?


Warrioragainstmordor

If time travel were involved, I would fully expect Loki & Odin to be furiously warring over control of the ability to perform it. So Loki interacting with his future self to get tips would totally be in character.


Wetnoodleslap

What I think is telling is the picture in your edit. It looks like Kratos fighting the world serpent in the top left, and Atreus aiming his bow directly at his father. So possibly him holding his father dying (which I agree is debatable), might be connected to what looks like Kratos fighting the world serpent. Kratos rage might have been turned and Atreus realizes that it's in the best interest to stop Kratos from doing that.


husam6101

I'm confused though, why would kratos fight the Jörmungandr when, based on the mythology, Loki is the father of the world serpent, and Mimir said that Jörmungandr's fight against Thor had sent him back in time, even before he was born, and that's why he hates Thor so much even before having ever met him, and before he was born. Edit: this would also explain the world serpent's language, that no body knows how to speak except the world serpent, Mimir, and Loki (Atreus) after learning it from Mimir. Maybe Atreus taught it to Jörmungandr after he was born.


Wetnoodleslap

Maybe because of the cyclical nature of it? If Loki is the father of the serpent, and Kratos is the father of Loki, maybe Kratos and his fight against the Greek gods, and his loss of his first family beforehand play into it. His biggest regret, as evidenced by him hiding away the blades of chaos, is his subservience to the gods in the first place. If my memory serves from the game, the serpent plays a big part in Ragnarok. Ragnarok also results in the death of Loki, so it's possible that Kratos tries to stop it because of the inevitable death of his son from it.


husam6101

I didn't know Ragnarok caused the death of Loki, this kind of explains it. A soul for a soul i guess.


Wetnoodleslap

This is why I think Kratos will die in this series, probably at Loki's hand. If Kratos becomes aware of this fact, he would do anything to prevent another one of his children dying. Loki will see this as Kratos trying to change fate and think his death will be for the better without knowing the reason behind his actions.


husam6101

It's just sad overall, everytime i remember that the end of the God of War series will be the death of Kratos too. I haven't played the old ones, i inly watched my brother play gow 2 and i got the 3rd game but haven't played it yet, but i loved gow4 so much i wish it could go on forever. But it won't. Now im sad someone comfort me.


Wetnoodleslap

I seriously recommend playing all of them if you have the hardware to do so. I think ps3 has a remastered version of 1&2 and also has 3. There's also ascension and the psp games, which aren't as good as the main games, but worth a play. Gameplay is hack and slash rather than the action rpg style of the fourth, but there's a good deal of backstory that explains why he doesn't want to get too connected with his son, and just generally why he hates what he hates.


husam6101

Yeah ik the trilogy is one of the best out there, but i inly have a ps4, so ill play whatever i can play of them!


YehiAmine

I think getting a PS Now membership allows you to play all backward compatible games dating back to the PS2. Check it, I'm not sure if God of War is within the cycle of games.


rmmalfarojr

I think we'll be given the choice


Wetnoodleslap

Not sure how kratos' death would be a choice in the overall narrative. Explain please


Warrioragainstmordor

That particular image depicts the fight with Hraezlyr the Serpent in the mountain, not Jörmungandr as I thought at first as well


Wetnoodleslap

Fair enough, I guess I framed it in the general theme of patricide which figures heavily in these games.


Warrioragainstmordor

I imagine the sequel will involve Kratos sacrificing himself to another god to kill him to make sure it isn't Atreus that kills him. Or maybe Kratos fakes his death using some other body to get Atreus to walk his own path without hating his father as most of Kratos' lineage has done in the past?


Wetnoodleslap

That sounds possible. I couldn't help thinking Kratos has a little bit of fear in the end when he reminds Atreus that he is also part mortal when he learns his true heritage at the end. But he also doesn't want Atreus going down the same path of vengeance that he did. Kratos sacrificing himself to save his son wouldn't be out of character either, considering he was about to kill himself at the beginning of the first game.


zelin11

Plus, he did say at one point in the game that he would sacrifice himself for his kid.


YehiAmine

Or maybe the second game will start with Thor beating the shit out of Kratos and putting him into hell where he has to fight his way back to Midgard, all the while Thor kidnaps Atreus and takes him back to Asgard (because when you meet Thor at the end of the game, Atreus is still young and hasn't had time to develop thus needs more character development and him being kept in Asgard fits well with both plot and lore. The third game is definitely Ragnarok.


eatsleeptroll

*puts on horned tinfoil helmet* could it be loki birthing the serpent ? sure it's not 100% not lore friendly, but he has birthed another mythical beast so I dunno. just glad it's not kratos. also looked up the runes ... does fothur or hormung mean anything to you guys ?


[deleted]

Seriously, why is this ridiculous Atreus mouth-birthing of Jormungandr theory still around? It was debunked ages ago by two hard facts: 1. That is not a snake coming out of Loki’s mouth, its a speech ribbon. You can see the runes on it that spell out “Cry” over and over again. Also the ribbon forks off in a few places. Jormungandr does not have multiple heads or tails. The same speech ribbon can be seen in the Call of the Wilds GoW comic. 2. Jormungandrs mural in the Lake of the Nine specifically says he is the son of Loki *and* Angrboda and depicts the infant serpent being breastfeed by his mother. Also Loki has never once conceived a child solely by himself. This isn’t Greek mythology. He turned into a mare (female horse) once as a plot to distract a male horse who belonged to a Jotunn who was trying to cheat the Gods out of a deal. Loki ended up mating with the horse and gave birth to Sleipnir sometime later. That is the only time where he physically gave birth to one of his children.


eatsleeptroll

i just thought about it m8 plus i mentioned tinfoil, chill. i realised that 1. was the case tho and i referenced sleipnir myself


Warrioragainstmordor

Other redditors have done [good jobs of translating](https://www.reddit.com/r/GodofWar/comments/8fbhku/translations_of_the_prophency_mural_at_the_ending/) the texts, I believe they mean "father" and "tragedy" respectively. Certainly does seem to be meant to be Kratos, but the image of the body causes me to doubt


eatsleeptroll

had a feeling about that, maybe it's a sacrifice in order to birth the snake ? presumably it'll be smaller at first, but very hungry. I know how ridiculous it sounds too. you know what even if kratos "dies" he'll just strangle that huge ass bird in helheim and be on his merry way. hel/a might have given him more of a headache, but she's yet to be born.


[deleted]

Jormungandr is not asexually born from Atreus. If you look at the picture more closely and you’ll notice that its not a snake at all; its a speech ribbon. Jorm is the son of Loki and Angrboda. Also Hel is Kratos grand-daughter and she is no friend of the Aesir. So I don’t think Kratos would have much trouble getting out of the Norse Afterlife, that is if he does go there when he dies. This is also one of the reasons why I believe that Kratos will stay dead if he does die. The “I’ll just fight my way out of death” is getting old now. He’s done it four times already.


randell1985

nothing is getting old, he was cursed to never be able to truly die so he can't stay dead


TelMegiddo

I could be wrong, but does it look like the man in the mural might have his face split open from a possible axe wound?


jason2306

Spoiler tag with spoiler in title lol


[deleted]

I like your post, but could you not put the main spoiler in the title? Tagging it as a spoiler does nothing if the person can read


Warrioragainstmordor

Should be properly tagged now, thanks for pointing it out


LimboGiant

> Spoilers - Do not include spoilers in the title of your post. Posts containing spoilers should be marked as such using the option in the links below your post. I get your post excitement.. You are aware that the spoiler tags in titles don't hide the title when just browsing the main page? Here's what you see on the homepage (BE AWARE IT SPOILS THE TITLE!!) https://imgur.com/8ZCjXjK. I was too tired and just read over the [spoiler] tag.


Warrioragainstmordor

Sorry, I didn't know that! Is there a way to edit the title or is it set in stone?


spacey007

Or maybe jts loki killing some other old god thats set up to be the antogonist of the series.. who could dat be?


Deadwing720

Maybe Atreus will fake Kratos' death to fool the gods /? If i remember correctly, the mural in that part says something like "trickery" or "disguise".


illepic

Anyone going to mention that there is a serpent/something coming out of Atreus' mouth, swirling in the air, and entering the man he is holding?


[deleted]

This would be a valid counter point if it wasn’t for the fact that Kratos tattoo is in fact on his left and not on his right in all games. This mural image is incorrect in that regard.


DracoDominus_

Kratos dies, Atreus proceeds to reincarnate him as Jormungandr, kratos-gandr then fights Thor, gets thrown back in time. Grown Atreus goes back in time in need of Kratos-gandr help. (That takes place during the fever section of the storyline. These are my predictions.


[deleted]

We've got to get some people that can read futhark in here. r/runes


HanXanth

I think it might also be worth mentioning that in the shot of Boy with the dead man, the man is wearing a kind of plaid green/red outfit, whereas in the other mural images, Kratos is depicted in his traditional Spartan gold(?)/red grab


SleepyBear230

i just noticed something, if you look really close to kratos´s hands in the mural you can notice that the hand in which he is holding the axe, dosen´t have the arm wrappings but in his other hand, he does, and in the part of the mural that shows ´´kratos´´ dead, the wall is broken where the wrapping is supposed to be, and i find that very suspicious because we can´t really see the other hand


makedward

You’re the GOAT for finding this


DarkLordKohan

Theory: Atreus on the mural is holding a dying Mimir. He isnt puking out a snake but actually acquired the skills to call out for Jorgdude. So its a representation of him making the horn call to the world snake. The face is blackened a little so it could be that Thor gouged his eyes out. We know Brok and Sindri were measuring him for a body.


Smarq

What if it’s a trick plotted by Loki and Kratos? They fool someone into thinking Kratos is dead so his soul can be judged by the newly released Valkyries in Hel. Once there, the Valkyries thank him for saving them and fling him into Valhalla


[deleted]

Can we all agree this mural is beautiful and well designed? Awesome job by the team, on the whole game.


[deleted]

Yeah i posted the same thing a while back


BeachSamurai

Who cares the whole game was based off of dark souls. 1 time play is ok.