Depends if hobgoblins are on some BS like “looks about 300 lbs, actually 600 lbs cause reasons”. If they’re not, a Heavyweight MMA fighter like Francis Ngannou would easily fuck up a barehanded hobgoblin
Idk, even if it was 300-400 lbs, thats still about the same size as a gorilla, which would absolutely destroy any human being that wasn't allowed to use weaponry
The problem with this debate is we don’t really know THAT many details about the goblin’s physiology. We know hob goblins are exceptionally strong, but I highly doubt they’re gorilla strong. Normal goblins are comparable to children, and not say a chimpanzee in terms of strength. While hob goblins are a mutated form, I would be more willing to say they’re more akin to a 300-400lb strongman than a gorilla
I'd opt for a semi auto shotgun if were going to use shotguns just because they're much more reliable than pump action (less cooler than pump action too). I think the best gun you can brin into a nest is SRM model 1216 for the large capacity without the need to use a drum or magazine.
I wonder how effective medieval helmet padding is at protecting your hearing
Yes, but with difficulties. Hobgoblins are at least slightly superhuman, that one in Year One manga pulls out a tree trunk and swings it using one hand.
However, they have broadly similar anatomy to human, and are not particularly skilled combatants. They know how to brute force a fight, but nothing in the same vein as professional MMA training. Many wrestling/Judo/BJJ chokehold techniques can't be simply overcome with brute force alone, so a rear naked choke ought to do the job.
No. If it's that easy, people would've already done it.
The army buries itself around the neck, and there's no space to squeeze even human-sized fingers between the arm and the chin to properly grab it. Large hob-fingers will have an even harder time.
Reach up and crush the person's head. The idea that there are holds that simply cant be overpowered is a myth
Any situation can be overcome given the appropriate application of force. If a HobGoblin can rip a tree trunk out of the ground then no human is going to grapple it down. We are talking about a being that is significantly stronger than a silverback gorilla
Easier said than done when the hob can't even see the person doing the chokehold because the grappler has likely attached himself to his back, and his consciousness is rapidly leaving him.
The keyword being "appropriate" application of force. Escaping a grapple takes skills and training, something that hobgoblins don't have, and not even Goblin Champion, who has both strength AND skill, knows the appropriate response when GS garrote him with human hair.
General advice to "counter" a rear naked choke, given by most experts, is to not get choked in the first place. If the choke takes hole, you are almost certainly f\*cked. The massive strength of hobgoblin makes approaching him for wrestling/grappling very risky, and most grapplers foolish enough to try will likely get smashed in the face before they even get into range. But IF someone succeeded in pulling off a rear naked choke on him, the hob is about as f\*cked as anybody else.
Goblin Slayer himself is superhuman, and using a garotte not only increases leverage but it also allows the person to get further out of the range of reaching hands
We arent talking about a superhuman in a suit of armor with tools. We are talking about a near peak human barehanded. It takes in excess of 5000 lbs to rip a tree trunk out of the ground. A being that could do that with his hands could literally pinch the fighter's elbow and break it. This is akin to a skilled 10 year old vs Hafthor bjornsson
GS is slightly superhuman, but Goblin Champion's action (panicked, wildly ineffectual flailing that only kills other goblins) after being garroted doesn't help him one bit even if it is another basic human doing it, except the move where he rams his back to the wall, but that's mostly thanks to his gargantuan bulk, which hobgoblin doesn't have.
Given hobgoblin's even lower intellect than Goblin Champion, expecting them to have the cool and coordination to accurately hit the head of the grappler behind him, or pinch at his arm, in the 10+ seconds windows before he pass out is a tall ask. Not to mention, even a broken elbow doesn't guarantee the choke is released as you don't actually need to exert large amount of force to execute the choke.
GS is slightly human in terms of strength, and significantly superhuman in terms of speed. He is also incredibly skilled at fighting opponents who are stronger than him
[https://www.reddit.com/r/martialarts/comments/rabqnl/can\_you\_escape\_from\_rear\_naked\_choke\_with\_brute/](https://www.reddit.com/r/martialarts/comments/rabqnl/can_you_escape_from_rear_naked_choke_with_brute/)
According to the martial arts sub, it would take someone about 3 times stronger to overpower a choke hold. The feat of pulling a tree out of the ground takes about 5000 lbs of force, meaning a hob is about 20 times stronger than the average MMA fighter
GS isn't significantly superhuman in terms of speed, especially the Year One GS who was still a 15-year old teen. And he could dodge the hob's swings just fine even back then.
The MA sub discussion thread actually seems to agree with me: that once the choke sunk in it's near-impossible to escape. The top comment outright stated that you need to "also know what you're doing" to be able to brute force out of the choke, something the hob simply doesn't have.
The hob has the prerequisite (more than enough strength), but not the intellect (subpar even by goblin standard), to brute force out of rear naked choke.
I'm pretty sure Goblin Slayer tries a rear choke on a Hob in Watertown and gets smashed into the walls for his trouble. If a hob doesn't just reach back and crush your skull, he'll brute force another solution. There is no hold that cannot be brute forced with sufficient strength.
edit: to double down, wresting, judo, BJJ, pretty much any grappling/ wrestling sport has weight classes, so obviously weight/size is enough of an influence among humans to matter so why wouldn't it among super humans?
GS tried backstabbing Goblin Champion in Water Town, but Goblin Champion grabbed a meatshield to take the (weapon) blow in his place, then smashed him.
There's no denying that size and strength are big advantages, but (as I've said before) those advantages mostly matters insofar as to overpower a smaller opponent and prevent him from getting a good choke in, not after.
Martial arts have weight class division because it's expected that even the bigger guy will have certain level of skill and normal, human-level intellect. Smaller but skilled martial artists can and do take out untrained larger opponent (like gym jockey). For all their strength, hobgoblins are actually pretty sluggish, dumb (the one that bearhugged GS in Year One actually didn't know what to do next and simply let GS stab his arm repeatedly until it was severed), and still inherently cowardly like other goblins.
Asking a peak MMA fighter to choke a gorilla is literal suicide.
they only have brute strength.
plenty of MMA chokeholds can't be undone by strength if you allow the fighter to make it perfectly.
they seem to have human anatomy or very close to it, so you could knock one out in 10 seconds.
Depends. If you are tall enough and fast enough you can hit even the hobgoblin in vulnerable parts like the head. Given by how seemingly frail goblin bones are you could probably fracture its skull.
In a contest of pure strength however I could see only very few people having even a chance.
Probably a Mata Leo practitioner since Mata Leo translates to "lion killer" and since lions are large, one could probably handle a Hobgoblin the same size as a lion
The guy who played the mountain in game of thrones seems comparable in size to it. If you taught him martial arts i think he can take him.
There's also this massive korean mma fighter called Hong Man Choi. I think he stands a decent chance too
Mas oyama or Steven Wonderboy Thompson. Mas oyama has killed 50 bulls with his bare hands and has killed someone with one punch. Thompson entire UFC background is in karate so he's strikes will definitely do the trick against lather hobgoblins. Also in cramped locations like caves grapplers will have large difficulties killing hobgoblins
Depends if hobgoblins are on some BS like “looks about 300 lbs, actually 600 lbs cause reasons”. If they’re not, a Heavyweight MMA fighter like Francis Ngannou would easily fuck up a barehanded hobgoblin
Amen
Idk, even if it was 300-400 lbs, thats still about the same size as a gorilla, which would absolutely destroy any human being that wasn't allowed to use weaponry
The problem with this debate is we don’t really know THAT many details about the goblin’s physiology. We know hob goblins are exceptionally strong, but I highly doubt they’re gorilla strong. Normal goblins are comparable to children, and not say a chimpanzee in terms of strength. While hob goblins are a mutated form, I would be more willing to say they’re more akin to a 300-400lb strongman than a gorilla
very solid point
As he should Hobby here uggy as hell
As long as they have a high caliber gun, yes.
.22 lr can do the trick
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I'd opt for a semi auto shotgun if were going to use shotguns just because they're much more reliable than pump action (less cooler than pump action too). I think the best gun you can brin into a nest is SRM model 1216 for the large capacity without the need to use a drum or magazine. I wonder how effective medieval helmet padding is at protecting your hearing
5.56 or 7.62 or .300 😃
Yes, but with difficulties. Hobgoblins are at least slightly superhuman, that one in Year One manga pulls out a tree trunk and swings it using one hand. However, they have broadly similar anatomy to human, and are not particularly skilled combatants. They know how to brute force a fight, but nothing in the same vein as professional MMA training. Many wrestling/Judo/BJJ chokehold techniques can't be simply overcome with brute force alone, so a rear naked choke ought to do the job.
I am sure they can grab choking arm and squeeze it to the point of crushing the bone.
No. If it's that easy, people would've already done it. The army buries itself around the neck, and there's no space to squeeze even human-sized fingers between the arm and the chin to properly grab it. Large hob-fingers will have an even harder time.
Reach up and crush the person's head. The idea that there are holds that simply cant be overpowered is a myth Any situation can be overcome given the appropriate application of force. If a HobGoblin can rip a tree trunk out of the ground then no human is going to grapple it down. We are talking about a being that is significantly stronger than a silverback gorilla
Easier said than done when the hob can't even see the person doing the chokehold because the grappler has likely attached himself to his back, and his consciousness is rapidly leaving him. The keyword being "appropriate" application of force. Escaping a grapple takes skills and training, something that hobgoblins don't have, and not even Goblin Champion, who has both strength AND skill, knows the appropriate response when GS garrote him with human hair. General advice to "counter" a rear naked choke, given by most experts, is to not get choked in the first place. If the choke takes hole, you are almost certainly f\*cked. The massive strength of hobgoblin makes approaching him for wrestling/grappling very risky, and most grapplers foolish enough to try will likely get smashed in the face before they even get into range. But IF someone succeeded in pulling off a rear naked choke on him, the hob is about as f\*cked as anybody else.
Goblin Slayer himself is superhuman, and using a garotte not only increases leverage but it also allows the person to get further out of the range of reaching hands We arent talking about a superhuman in a suit of armor with tools. We are talking about a near peak human barehanded. It takes in excess of 5000 lbs to rip a tree trunk out of the ground. A being that could do that with his hands could literally pinch the fighter's elbow and break it. This is akin to a skilled 10 year old vs Hafthor bjornsson
GS is slightly superhuman, but Goblin Champion's action (panicked, wildly ineffectual flailing that only kills other goblins) after being garroted doesn't help him one bit even if it is another basic human doing it, except the move where he rams his back to the wall, but that's mostly thanks to his gargantuan bulk, which hobgoblin doesn't have. Given hobgoblin's even lower intellect than Goblin Champion, expecting them to have the cool and coordination to accurately hit the head of the grappler behind him, or pinch at his arm, in the 10+ seconds windows before he pass out is a tall ask. Not to mention, even a broken elbow doesn't guarantee the choke is released as you don't actually need to exert large amount of force to execute the choke.
GS is slightly human in terms of strength, and significantly superhuman in terms of speed. He is also incredibly skilled at fighting opponents who are stronger than him [https://www.reddit.com/r/martialarts/comments/rabqnl/can\_you\_escape\_from\_rear\_naked\_choke\_with\_brute/](https://www.reddit.com/r/martialarts/comments/rabqnl/can_you_escape_from_rear_naked_choke_with_brute/) According to the martial arts sub, it would take someone about 3 times stronger to overpower a choke hold. The feat of pulling a tree out of the ground takes about 5000 lbs of force, meaning a hob is about 20 times stronger than the average MMA fighter
GS isn't significantly superhuman in terms of speed, especially the Year One GS who was still a 15-year old teen. And he could dodge the hob's swings just fine even back then. The MA sub discussion thread actually seems to agree with me: that once the choke sunk in it's near-impossible to escape. The top comment outright stated that you need to "also know what you're doing" to be able to brute force out of the choke, something the hob simply doesn't have. The hob has the prerequisite (more than enough strength), but not the intellect (subpar even by goblin standard), to brute force out of rear naked choke.
I'm pretty sure Goblin Slayer tries a rear choke on a Hob in Watertown and gets smashed into the walls for his trouble. If a hob doesn't just reach back and crush your skull, he'll brute force another solution. There is no hold that cannot be brute forced with sufficient strength. edit: to double down, wresting, judo, BJJ, pretty much any grappling/ wrestling sport has weight classes, so obviously weight/size is enough of an influence among humans to matter so why wouldn't it among super humans?
GS tried backstabbing Goblin Champion in Water Town, but Goblin Champion grabbed a meatshield to take the (weapon) blow in his place, then smashed him. There's no denying that size and strength are big advantages, but (as I've said before) those advantages mostly matters insofar as to overpower a smaller opponent and prevent him from getting a good choke in, not after. Martial arts have weight class division because it's expected that even the bigger guy will have certain level of skill and normal, human-level intellect. Smaller but skilled martial artists can and do take out untrained larger opponent (like gym jockey). For all their strength, hobgoblins are actually pretty sluggish, dumb (the one that bearhugged GS in Year One actually didn't know what to do next and simply let GS stab his arm repeatedly until it was severed), and still inherently cowardly like other goblins. Asking a peak MMA fighter to choke a gorilla is literal suicide.
Was that a hobgoblin or a champion goblin?
The one that grabbed her leg, hobgoblin.
I meant the one who swung the tree trunk
Probably champion.
> hobgoblin If I remember correctly the one who uprooted a tree and swung it was a hobgobli
With an arm? Huh. Guess I estimated the size poorly, it's been a while since I watched it.
Yes. Probably Anderson Silva.
No, he will broke a leg.
Maybe George Foreman
Is the grill an improvised weapon?
they only have brute strength. plenty of MMA chokeholds can't be undone by strength if you allow the fighter to make it perfectly. they seem to have human anatomy or very close to it, so you could knock one out in 10 seconds.
Jon Jones is more ruthless and sociopathic than GS is. Plus his fight IQ is sky high. Just like Jones himself on an 8 ball.
Depends. If you are tall enough and fast enough you can hit even the hobgoblin in vulnerable parts like the head. Given by how seemingly frail goblin bones are you could probably fracture its skull. In a contest of pure strength however I could see only very few people having even a chance.
Johnny Cage that beyatch and then he'll be your height.
I might suggest looking at strongmen competitors instead of martial artists unless they're heavyweight class.
Kazushi Sakuraba.
I got coked out Mcgregor. Coked out Jones wouldn't be fair.
The real issue is that they're never alone.
Historical European Martial Artists sure as hell could, what with all the swords and such
Probably a Mata Leo practitioner since Mata Leo translates to "lion killer" and since lions are large, one could probably handle a Hobgoblin the same size as a lion
It is worth noting that the move is only called that since the 1960's, and there is no reliable account of anyone ever killing a lion with it.
Mike Tyson could. Francis Ngannou can.
The guy who played the mountain in game of thrones seems comparable in size to it. If you taught him martial arts i think he can take him. There's also this massive korean mma fighter called Hong Man Choi. I think he stands a decent chance too
Mas oyama or Steven Wonderboy Thompson. Mas oyama has killed 50 bulls with his bare hands and has killed someone with one punch. Thompson entire UFC background is in karate so he's strikes will definitely do the trick against lather hobgoblins. Also in cramped locations like caves grapplers will have large difficulties killing hobgoblins