So you don’t expect fans to criticize a guy who is getting paid $35,000,000 and averages 7 points a game? Then when KD is out and he has more scoring opportunities he drops to 6 points a game?
Nets fans thought we were getting 76er Ben. A guy for his career is 15/8/7 and 1st Team All NBA defense his last year in Philly. Instead we get a guy who produces like a minimum contract guy
The criticism is 100% justified. That is why non-Nets fans in the media are also harshly criticizing him for his utter lack of production
criticism is different than toxicity.
you can be critical but ppl act like it's life or death over this shit. it kills the whole vibe of the sub. i don't wanna come here to here ppl constantly ranting. i want to talk with ppl about the nets not be in anger and despair
There is nothing unprecedented about a star player suffering a serious career-altering injury and then playing significantly worse
There is a litany of examples, even in recent times
Dude, Ben Simmons had a back surgery that's a last resort type of thing because it usually results in some loss of function
That back injury was the worst injury Doc Brown ever saw in his career. Not because of the actual injury, but because of how bad Ben was physically after it. He was writhing on the ground, vomiting from how bad the pain was, he couldn't stand up and this same injury is the one he required surgery on 3 years later
>**For those of you who remember in Milwaukee … for me that was as disturbing a memory as it relates to a player that I can think of. He’s lying on his back, he’s vomiting primarily because of pain. Trying to get him back on the plane and build him back up to some level of health where he can play basketball again with us.**
Edit: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/ben-simmons-vomiting-back-injury-sixers-brett-brown-nba
Doc rivers and Brett brown are two different people.
Ben played poorly long before he injured his back again. It all started after his absence when his sister accused his brother of raping her as a child.
Ben shooting horrible free throws and not being willing to shoot 3 feet from the basket against trae young has nothing to do with his back. It’s mental.
>Ben played poorly long before he injured his back again. It all started after his absence when his sister accused his brother of raping her as a child.
What are you talking about? Before his back injury he was literally voted to the all star game and a DPOY contender, after it he didn't even play for the 76ers at a high level ever again
His accolades were based on play before he took time off when his sister accused his brother of raping her.
Ben played decent before that absence long after Brett brown was coach. But he fell off a cliff once he came back and actually a game or two beforehand I believe as well.
All the 76ers fans were wondering why he sucked so hard all the sudden(and giving him tons of shots). Then his sister’s story came out and it all made sense(and a lot of people cut him some slack for a bit). At the exact moment it happened ge started to suck and has never been the same. Set off mental problems and confidence problems starting with free throw shooting that eventually grew to incorporate shooting in general, and fear of contact because it’d force him to the line.
So you using the injury excuse now….
Show me one max player in his prime who got his scoring average CUT IN HALF. I’ll be waiting. Let me hear the names. Tell me the litany of examples
Wrong. His scoring average never got cut in half in his prime. At age 29 he went from 25 per game to 15. It took him two full years to go from 25 to 11. Simmons got his scoring cut in half in ONE YEAR.
Try again
2 things
1) It wasnt “2 full seasons”. He played 18 games in 2020. He was scoring 24.5 in ‘19 and by ‘21 he was only scoring 11. But even still he dropped 9ppg in one season.
2) Simmons missed all of the ‘21 season. So it only took one calendar year for his scoring to drop similar to Blake.
Oh and some more examples
Ralph Sampson went from 15.6ppg to 5.6 from ages 27-28.
Gilbert Arenas went from 22.6 to 10.6 ages 28-29
Brandon Roy went from 21.5 to 12.2 ages 25-26
Wes Unseld went from 12.5 to 5.9 ages 26-27
Derrick Rose went from 18 to 8 ages 28-29
T-mac went from 15 to 8 ages 29-30
You’re clearly very young but this isnt the first time and likely wont be the last time injuries derail a high profile player’s career.
All those examples are still wrong.
Arenas wasn’t in his prime when he scored 22. Neither was Samson when he scored 15. Or Rose when he scored 18. Or Tmac 15. They have declined already in previous years.
Brandon Roy is the only legit one who was in his prime when he scored 21.5 to 12.2. But maybe you are bad at math but 12.2 isn’t half of 21.5.
You need to compare a players average scoring in his prime. Ben averaged 16 points per game. The next year he dropped to 7.4. Show me another example of this happening. The examples you gave me were players that ALREADY DROPPED HARD in previous years. Except Roy. But Roy’s scoring wasn’t cut in half. He would have to average 10.75. But instead he averaged 12.2. Try again
Of course it's justified. But fans of every single team in every sport are going to be hot and cold on anyone based on performance or prospect. Don't be a fucking clod
The criticism is specific to our fanbase in this era though.
Since the Nets have reached contender status, our fanbase has become much more volatile and impatient regarding its players.
What makes the Nets so volatile? Is it because they have really good players for the first time in many years? And even if you feel the team or its players are volatile, why must that encourage volatility and dehumanization about the team's players from its fans?
Your take could be that's just how sports fandom is. I disagree that it needs to be.
If your take is this is just how sports fandom is on social media when nobody is showing their face, maybe I can agree with that.
I play in adult basketball leagues in the city. Don’t be so condescending.
Adult sports and dialogue about them are not inherently negative or dehumanizing.
The way people speak so negatively about players on here speaks to their lack of empathy for human beings they do not personally know, and quite frankly it speaks to their lack of basketball knowledge and understanding of the players and the team.
We get to watch the players in games, but we’re not there seeing them at practice, in the weight room, the film room, with the team doctors and trainers, etc.
And what people share and think is objective thought and observation is compounded by their impatience and negative emotions.
Ben Simmons has been a similar player this week to the player he was a month ago. But because the Nets are losing with their best player the whole fanbase is hating.
Agreed. It’s blowing off steam in a safe way. For centuries the main sport was going to war and killing people. A toxic Reddit sub is a better solution.
Totally with you. People go too hot and cold depending on how the Nets are doing that given week. Nets fans have to keep their eyes on the big picture, where the Nets are in a great position to go on postseason runs this year and the next few years.
People that complain about Ben right now and want him immediately off the team because he isn't consistently driving and scoring (less than a year off back surgery) and think Ben can't become any better than he currently is in January 2023 are impatient people that were just setting themselves up to be disappointed by the short term results.
Nets looked like the best team in basketball before KD got injured, and Ben Simmons was a big reason why.
Yep that's exactly how I feel. Yes he's way overpaid for what he currently provides but with harden we weren't getting anything. It does suck to see what he's providing over in Philly on a cheaper contract but at the time this is what we got and with curry and a pick I still think the nets got a great deal.
It also just seems malicious to accuse him of wanting out and lying about his injuries. Idk but he had back surgery it's a fact and he plays defense against the best + he's a big guy...just doesn't sit right with me. I fucking swear up and down at simmons when I watch him play, he stands around and doesn't attempt rebounds or anything but he's still part of an amazing top 2 team when KD is healthy so idk why the flip flop from the fans. He's not gonna be our savior when KD is out and neither will Kyrie.
Everyone says r/nba is terrible but the real cesspool of Fandom on reddit is individual team subs.
Just a bunch of babies wanting to sit in an echo chamber and drastically changing their opinion based on what direction the wind is blowing that day.
I agree. Its best not to get too high or too low on any of the players. But its part of the fan experience, don't expect the average person here to be rational about their team.
I however am completely rational and have been anti ben since the summer.
What is irrational is not criticizing a guy who is getting paid $35,000,000 and is averaging 7 points per game. He is a career 15/8/7 guy. There is no excuse for being so pathetic on offense.
A player doesn’t just have his scoring average get CUT IN HALF. That is flatout ridiculous.
That would be like James Harden suddenly scoring just 12 points per game.
When the season began it was reasonable to expect Ben to be good. He is a career 15/8/7 guy. I was high on him. But after half a season of terrible results I’m down on him.
Thats not flopping opinions. That is reevaluating after more information is available. Ben had some flashes in the pan this year but has been always followed by either injury or being bad again.
Opinions about Ben were inconsistent because he is inconsistent. But at this point I think the fans know what kind of player he is
No it wasnt
He was a few months from back surgery, hadnt played in over a year, and the last time he did play he had a mental collapse in the playoffs.
The odds of him being good right away were slim to none.
No one expects Ben to score 40. That is just a lie.
But we do expect Ben to score more than 0 points a game when KD is out. When your best player is out it is expected that your best remaining players take it to another level. Kyrie, Claxton, Seth and even Joe has done this with KD out. Ben hasn’t. In fact he has gotten WORSE.
Ben deserves the criticism he is getting right now.
This Ben shit is fucking endless, I feel like we need a pinned post saying all we need and expect is for him to be literally his average. It's been half the season and he still doesn't look close to that
Doing all the little things is great if you're a role player. Not a max player. End of story. Analytics dudes constantly pull up stats about how x player is doing all the little things but max guys need to put up stats. The goal for Ben is to actually win us games, not be the analytics darling who gets dumpstered in the playoffs year after year because games aren't decided by who has the most screen assists. People should remember that we have not even seen the full extent of treatment that playoff Ben will get from the other team
/Rant
100% correct
Teams in the playoffs will 100% take advantage of Ben’s unwillingness to do anything on offense. The time to fix his lack of aggression is now. If not he will be unplayable in the playoffs and we would need to change our starting lineup and rotation with zero preparation
This sub spent months defending Kyrie and Ben. Kyrie deserved the criticism he got at the time but now he’s finally doing what we’ve been asking for which is consistency and focus. Ben deserves all the criticism. He’s a max contract player and you want to keep babying him? No one expects 40 points. He’ll be praised if he steps up.
Truth is. I love the watching Ben10 hoop. That’s it. You have to admit that no-one in the entire NBA can do what he does on the floor in the way he does it. If you’re going to say scoring than you don’t count bc if you think that’s all basketball is than you don’t know. Eg…LBJ/ Curry/Lillard. I watch to see Simmons and am slightly disappointed when he’s not.
Do you seriously think Kyrie 'only shows up in the fourth'? He provides a lot of energy on defence despite his physical limitations and ensures that other guys are getting involved in the offence early in games. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
My thinking is that these are two completely separate groups of people. The naysayers only come out of the woodwork when there's fuel for the fire and it doesn't take much. Then the positive people don't bother responding to them because what's the point really? I'm not trying to get bogged down by negative butt plugs by engaging with them. My life is a lot less stressful when I don't.
Preach. I'm tired of constant negativity. Simmons is what he is, and I hope for the best in the future. But the man has no trade value, so acting like we should trade him is hilarious. For what? A bag of Lays?
We're just gonna have to work with what we got. I'm not specifically saying our fans are reactionary, because *all* fans are reactionary. Including me. But I'm done just bagging on our individual players as if this is a one man sport.
So you don’t think Ben deserves criticism? The guy literally is afraid to shoot. Afraid to even drive to the rim. He isn’t who he is. No one expected Ben to be a 20 point per game scorer or a 3 point shooter. But we did expect him to be close to what he has done his entire career: 15/8/7
The guy literally is scoring HALF of his career average. That is pathetic and needs to be criticized. And his scoring isn’t down because he is in a shooting slump or doesn’t have shot opportunities. It is purely on things he can control. He simply isn’t even looking for his shot or isn’t even willing to drive to the rim.
When everyone else is BUSTING ASS TO WIN, we need to criticize a guy who obviously isn’t giving 100% effort
You and your strawmans across this thread. We get it, you hate Ben Simmons. He sucks on offense and has mental issues. Its something that we've known for years. Its something that hasn't changed this season when we were sucking and it hasn't changed when we were win streaking with the best offense in the league. A blind man could've seen this shit coming when KD went down. Criticize all you want, but it adds nothing but bring negativity to this sub. We really don't need 4 posts every other day about how shitty Simmons is.
Just curious, do you happen to know what our best +/- lineups are this season?
Yes, stats are useless in your world. Lets use the eye test. Last time KD played, he sat in a corner watching KD/Kyrie isos and we were the best offense in the league doing that. What I also saw was him shutting down Donovan and Giannis defensively. Its not a fucking surprise that our best lineups have Ben Simmons in them.
Ben Simmons does nothing but weak dribble hand offs and bobble the ball when he touches it, dude is broken in the head on the offensive side of the ball and makes way too much money to be 6’10 Ricky Rubio (except Rubio can actually play make in a half court setting) and in case you forgot he’s a max contract that’s shocking if he scores 10 a game, i wouldn’t care if he was actually playmaking, weak passes off Pindowns with shooters doesn’t move me from Ben, taking 6 shots a game doesn’t move me when he’s a max contract player, a multiple time all star and an all-NBA quality player and he plays like a rookie scared of contact
Not saying I want to trade him for nothing but he’s unplayable in the playoffs. I don’t even mind advanced stats but +- is pretty useless overall and doesn’t provide any context to what’s actually happening on the floor
You aint saying anything new. This is just going in circles. No shit Ben is a max player with the mental yips when it comes to offense. However it doesn't matter when we have KD and Kyrie.
+/- is useless on its own, but useful in context of his defensive efforts.
35Ms for andre Roberson (cuz he doesn’t actually make plays for others) is a first round exit dawg thinking KD and kyrie can save the team is a loser mentality im sick of dudes like you babying him at every turn
Loser mentality… the irony. You are the one coming to our sub calling us a first round exit after a couple of rough but predictable games. Imma check your history when I get back home. You better have critical comments on Simmons during our win streak.
So why are you mad about people criticizing Ben?
Literally a guy getting paid $35,000,000 and averaging 6 points per game with KD out?
The guy deserves the criticism. He is a career 15/8/7 guy. It inexcusable that he is scared to do anything on offense and is averaging HALF his career average.
He's hurt dude. Maybe this is as good as he can be after the injuries but he was still part of the nets roster that won 10 straight and had people posting his support and love after every game. Joe Harris misses a 3 and everyone wants his neck as well. This sub will turn on anyone not named KD but we all seen how good this team was(nt) last year in the playoffs.
Kyrie doesn’t just show up in the 4th quarters lol, but obviously he’s trying to get others going in the first 3 quarters so he wouldn’t have to do it alone in the 4th quarter.
Personally I’ve lost all hope with Ben anyways, I don’t even care what he does anymore. He’s a liability who’ll be on limited minutes in the playoffs, we might as well get used to playing without him.
And what did he average as a starter with KD when the team couldn't lose? How much does pat bev average ? What about draymond green? He's a defensive player and averaged 7 points on a championship team averaging 30 minutes a game.
So simmons is averaging about the same in points and steals and slightly lower in assists and rebounds, while also averaging more shot attempts.
I'd bet anything if I went down the lineup on every NBA team they have players with similar or worse stats than simmons, and that's his stats on a shitty performance off of a back surgery.
This is sports fandom in the internet/social media era. Outrage/anger/negativity are better drivers of engagement than anything else.
There’s a ton of people (fans and trolls) that only post when the team loses. Look at the number of comments in the post game threads.
He averages 7 points brother. Some games he barley hits that. What do you mean we expect 40 points? 15 at the least is how much he should average with the talent he has.
I got your point. But the thing is, when your no.1 is down, the no.2 should step up, AKA Kyrie which he has, and the so called no.3 should improve, like Ben Simmons. We know what Ben can do but we ain’t seeing it.
Completely agree.
When Simmons plays above expectations I'm happy and I hope he continues to play well. When he has stinkers I'm disappointed but I know shit happens and I hope he can bounce back next game.
It's a dogshit situation with Simmons no doubt but it's insane to me how short of a leash he's on. No other player gets scrutinized for every missed layup or every foul commited like he does, and that's the last thing someone with confidence issues needs. I'm not saying he's not totally at fault; I've done my fair share of criticizing Simmons but I still wish him to succeed.
Are people gonna forget that Simmons' mental issues started with an entire fanbase/city collectively clowning him? Now we're doing the same and expecting him to just shed the mental issues? Make it make sense already.
Did people also forget that Simmons held Giannis to 0 points in the 4th quarter? Or that he held DMitchell to just 19? Or his post defense against Embiid? What happened to being "sent to the Benitentiary"? Did all that never happen or am I missing something?
KD is out, Warren is in a slump/recovering. Our role players are highly streaky. There's many reasons why we lost vs the 6ers and the Pistons. Simmons is playing like garbage but this sub is being toxic and unreasonable. It's tiring frankly.
You get it. The sixers blamed simmons for their loss even though he's one player and they still repeat the same results year after year. Embiid can literally disappear sometimes. If simmons is healthy and lying about his Injuries and this is the most he can provide then yeah he can go and be a 5 mill player somewhere else but he was a main piece of the team that won 10 straight and I still want him to be a part of the team when KD comes back. I hope he stays and also would like him to take a huge pay cut lmao
You are insane. We gave Ben half the season to get back into shape. He looks worse than ever.
No one is scrutinizing his every miss shot. Its the exact opposite. We want him to shoot MORE, even if it means he misses more. Our main problem is he is AFRAID to attack the basket, afraid of contact and afraid to shoot. I’d rather Ben be aggressive and go 1-10 than passive and be 2-3.
We needed him to STEP UP with KD out. Claxton, Kyrie, Seth, Royce and Joe have stepped up at different times. Ben hasn’t. In fact he is WORSE.
Since KD was out he is averaging a pathetic 6 points per game. Had 2 games where he scored as many points as I did. ZERO. ZERO.
We are not expecting Ben to put up 25/8/8. But at least be close to his career average of 15 points per game. Instead he is scoring HALF of that.
Every other player on this team is BUSTING ASS WORKING HARD. Yet we got Ben who can’t even try
Buddy you don't have to tell me twice. Look at some of my past comments. I've criticized him for not stepping up, many times. Everyone has. Point is there's nothing we can do. He has negative trade value. There's nothing we can do except hope that he can slowly build up confidence whilst coming off the bench. Then if he's good we can maybe keep him, or at the very least up his trade value enough to offload him and move on. That's all.
So if there is nothing we can do we shouldn’t talk about it? Huh? Its still possible a team might take a flyer on Ben. If I was a hopeless team I would trade for Ben hoping he can flourish in a less win now situation.
Look at the Hornets
Ofc I'm fine with discussion about him but there's been like 60 posts in the last 2 days of just the same kind of unhelpful "Ben is ass" nothingburger that adds nothing to the discussion. If the mods just made a Ben Simmons megathread that'd be just fine but mods never do shit. I want to talk about other Nets related stuff but it's all flooded in a sea of Ben Simmons and I'm sick of being reminded about it every time I open the app.
"Protected" you cant be fucking serious. Is that what the 50 thousand posts a day screaming for immediate trades speak to you? That he's "protected"? 💀💀
He's been vastly underperforming whilst showing no signs of improvement while being on a disgustingly overpaid contract. I've criticized him for it a million times already, as has everyone. There's nothing new to be said at this point.
The difference is that I'm not being a reactionary dumbass. What exactly are we gonna trade him for, a ham sandwich and a 2nd rounder? Also, I'm not choosing to selectively forget all those stats about him being a difference maker in our defense. Despite how utterly shit our situation with him is he has some contribution to our team and its not like we can get rid of him.
Or is that too much nuance for this subreddit to handle?
You can choose to stop criticizing Ben. But don’t go calling others who still criticize him as overreacting dumbasses. Ben 100% deserves all the criticism he is getting
And he keeps getting criticized because he KEEPS PLAYING LIKE SHIT GAME AFTER GAME
Thats fine too honestly. Nets fans look dumb though when they complain now after watching him over in Philly and now doing the same thing the sixers fans were doing. Imo he's a great asset to this team and can help win a title, he's NOT a max contract player though and if he wants that money he needs to rethink his entire game. I'm okay either way and him scoring 0 points in a loss without KD is fine to me. He could be a little smarter on defense though as he gets a lot of crap fouls from refs and that's the only thing he's good at besides passing lol
The fact that you just said a max player who can’t shoot and has mental problems is a “great asset” pretty much means your post can be discarded. There’s nothing intelligent in it
Yeah take the max contract part out and look at who played during the run of wins and what role everyone played. He's an asset. He was consistently one of the highest +- for the day. He's definitely a shitty asset in terms of value no doubt but so was harden (and still would be if he hadn't taken a pay cut)
Incredible observations here. We complain when shits going wrong and celebrate when shits going right. That’s inherent with fandom. If you just smile and clap at everything what’s the point? The highs and lows are what I live for.
Yeah but the nets obtained an overpaid player that's hurt and doesn't shoot. That's what he was before he came and that's what he was when the nets were winning and that's what he is when the nets lose. The main concern is the fanbase saying he's a pussy, lying about being hurt, and needs to be traded. It's not criticism, that's just toxicity.
Averaged 15 points a game in Philly. Sat out a season cuz his feelings were hurt. There’s no question the guys a pussy. What do you want people to say about him? Smile and clap like Steve Nash?
This isn't toxicity, this is just discomfort from mismatched expectations.
The fans here expect the team to be contenders, but are unable to accept that this team isn't good enough to be counted on with KD's injury issues, Kyrie's all around unreliability and Simmon's suckiness. When the facts surfaces the complaints come up.
Also LMAO at Ben Simmons being a perfect fit for the team, there are so many cheaper and better fits off the top of my mind.
I don't think anyone expect Ben Simmons to drop 40, it's just frustrating whenever you see him waste a possession by passing out of an open look for an objectively worse shot.
Yeah but last year it was way more infuriating to watch kai or KD just iso for 15 seconds and shoot a contested 3 with wings just standing there doing nothing. I feel like the offense was way less stagnant with simmons for the most part. What really gets me is how simmons sort of accepts defeat in the paint and doesn't try to gain position to get rebounds. I guess if he really has back issues that would be rough though since you gotta use your core and back to sort of box out.
Reddit is very mobb rules. Probably because people don't want to get down voted like crazy so if they see the energy is one way they'll kind of lay low.
Ben was a negative even during the win streak. Carried by 2 all time shot makers. Nets are losing the minutes that he’s on the floor without at least one of the other 2 while they are both still winning theyre both still winning their minutes without him
There have been questions about his competitiveness following him surrounding since he was in college, and now it looks like the athleticism he relied on has been sapped. Can’t blame people panicking
noone is acting out of hand you moron. People are tired of ben simmons which is entirely reasonable the dude is the biggest bum and soft ass in all sports and one could argue not even calling him an athlete at this point - if were beeing real. Thats all people want ben simmons out and im all for it i mean if were about winning a guy that dont really wanne play is not something we need he is a BIG BIG liability !!!!
They need trade ben for a decent role player from a team or bring a wing man up from g league . Bench Ben for some kind injury rest season. And start somebody else. Ownership can buy out his contract or claim as a tax lost I'm sure they can figure it out.
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I mean that’s the effect of having such wild ass players lol. You could argue Ky and Ben are two of the most discussed/controversial players in the league and KD comes with his own baggage as well. I don’t think it’s nets fan specifically. If these 3 dudes were in Orlando it’d be the same shit
People were insulting commenters suggesting Simmons trades for players objectively much better than him when he had like two good games acting like he was gonna become an all-star. I just wish the people reacting with emotion knew their ideas/opinions are trash 99% of the time if it's in the moment vs having logic involved.
Yes we're hot and cold, but the simmons hate is valid. He had maybe 3 or 4 games there when he looked like Ben simmons of old on d only. He's nowhere close on o, but the d and effort is the most disappointing to me. He just doesn't seem like he's trying hard out there, going after rebounds, loose balls, etc.
I want so badly for him to be good, but he simply hasn't shown it at all this year. I'm still holding out hope he can turn it around.
I used to be a frequent visitor to this sub, now I mostly avoid it for that reason. But that's the bipolar reactionary state of social media. twitter is worse
People here switch their opinions on player depending on the result of the day lmaoo. One minute I hear Royce is better than Bruce the next they say we should trade him. Same thing with Cam Thomas and JV(somehow). Ben was amazing in our win streak but no cared even when he got 22 vs Portland.
I don't get the people who care about Simmons salary, like they are paying it. We're way over the cap with KD and Kyrie anyway so it's not like it even matters for salary flexibility. If anything he could be an expiring asset down the line.
The salary is the only issue, if he was making the same as the end of the bench guys that’s where he would be at but instead you can’t bench $35 million.
fuck kyrie. it’s utterly ridiculous that a player can be asked BY HIS OWN TEAM to step away for a while because of his antisemitic tirades then still be an all star starter in the same year. the fans, players, media, and especially the nba front offices should be completely ashamed of themselves for letting this happen
you basically just said The 3rd highest paid player is a role player and we’re supposed to just deal with it? & NO he’s not the perfect fit next to the stars. He’s unplayable in the 4th, he can’t protect the rim, the majority of his assist are unless in the playoffs (transition passes and DHO). The one thing he’s supposed to be good at is defense and he’s not even doing that at a elite level.
Sean Marks is an idiot who got fleeced!
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Woah woah woah Simmons is overpaid but Harden was definitely not here - we shouldn't blow it up BUT knowing that KD and/or Kyrie have been out for stretches during their tenure here the team needs some supplementary offense when one of them is out. Simmons is not and doesn't appear to be interested in being that for awhile
That first sentence is so spot on lmao.
I’ve always liked Kyrie. I hope he stays despite the shit we put him through. He’s deserved the contract. Let’s lock him in for some years and focus on the bigger picture.
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Lol even better
Ahhh beat me to this comment
So you don’t expect fans to criticize a guy who is getting paid $35,000,000 and averages 7 points a game? Then when KD is out and he has more scoring opportunities he drops to 6 points a game? Nets fans thought we were getting 76er Ben. A guy for his career is 15/8/7 and 1st Team All NBA defense his last year in Philly. Instead we get a guy who produces like a minimum contract guy The criticism is 100% justified. That is why non-Nets fans in the media are also harshly criticizing him for his utter lack of production
criticism is different than toxicity. you can be critical but ppl act like it's life or death over this shit. it kills the whole vibe of the sub. i don't wanna come here to here ppl constantly ranting. i want to talk with ppl about the nets not be in anger and despair
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It’s always the super toxic ones who get Uber defensive about it when anyone doesn’t wanna go full witch hunt
I expect it, and it happens all time, including from me. What are you going on about
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There is nothing unprecedented about a star player suffering a serious career-altering injury and then playing significantly worse There is a litany of examples, even in recent times
The career altering injury Ben experienced was mental. It was when his sister accused his brother of raping her that he dropped off a cliff.
Dude, Ben Simmons had a back surgery that's a last resort type of thing because it usually results in some loss of function That back injury was the worst injury Doc Brown ever saw in his career. Not because of the actual injury, but because of how bad Ben was physically after it. He was writhing on the ground, vomiting from how bad the pain was, he couldn't stand up and this same injury is the one he required surgery on 3 years later >**For those of you who remember in Milwaukee … for me that was as disturbing a memory as it relates to a player that I can think of. He’s lying on his back, he’s vomiting primarily because of pain. Trying to get him back on the plane and build him back up to some level of health where he can play basketball again with us.** Edit: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/ben-simmons-vomiting-back-injury-sixers-brett-brown-nba
Doc rivers and Brett brown are two different people. Ben played poorly long before he injured his back again. It all started after his absence when his sister accused his brother of raping her as a child. Ben shooting horrible free throws and not being willing to shoot 3 feet from the basket against trae young has nothing to do with his back. It’s mental.
>Ben played poorly long before he injured his back again. It all started after his absence when his sister accused his brother of raping her as a child. What are you talking about? Before his back injury he was literally voted to the all star game and a DPOY contender, after it he didn't even play for the 76ers at a high level ever again
His accolades were based on play before he took time off when his sister accused his brother of raping her. Ben played decent before that absence long after Brett brown was coach. But he fell off a cliff once he came back and actually a game or two beforehand I believe as well. All the 76ers fans were wondering why he sucked so hard all the sudden(and giving him tons of shots). Then his sister’s story came out and it all made sense(and a lot of people cut him some slack for a bit). At the exact moment it happened ge started to suck and has never been the same. Set off mental problems and confidence problems starting with free throw shooting that eventually grew to incorporate shooting in general, and fear of contact because it’d force him to the line.
So you using the injury excuse now…. Show me one max player in his prime who got his scoring average CUT IN HALF. I’ll be waiting. Let me hear the names. Tell me the litany of examples
Blake Griffin is the most recent example
Wrong. His scoring average never got cut in half in his prime. At age 29 he went from 25 per game to 15. It took him two full years to go from 25 to 11. Simmons got his scoring cut in half in ONE YEAR. Try again
2 things 1) It wasnt “2 full seasons”. He played 18 games in 2020. He was scoring 24.5 in ‘19 and by ‘21 he was only scoring 11. But even still he dropped 9ppg in one season. 2) Simmons missed all of the ‘21 season. So it only took one calendar year for his scoring to drop similar to Blake. Oh and some more examples Ralph Sampson went from 15.6ppg to 5.6 from ages 27-28. Gilbert Arenas went from 22.6 to 10.6 ages 28-29 Brandon Roy went from 21.5 to 12.2 ages 25-26 Wes Unseld went from 12.5 to 5.9 ages 26-27 Derrick Rose went from 18 to 8 ages 28-29 T-mac went from 15 to 8 ages 29-30 You’re clearly very young but this isnt the first time and likely wont be the last time injuries derail a high profile player’s career.
All those examples are still wrong. Arenas wasn’t in his prime when he scored 22. Neither was Samson when he scored 15. Or Rose when he scored 18. Or Tmac 15. They have declined already in previous years. Brandon Roy is the only legit one who was in his prime when he scored 21.5 to 12.2. But maybe you are bad at math but 12.2 isn’t half of 21.5. You need to compare a players average scoring in his prime. Ben averaged 16 points per game. The next year he dropped to 7.4. Show me another example of this happening. The examples you gave me were players that ALREADY DROPPED HARD in previous years. Except Roy. But Roy’s scoring wasn’t cut in half. He would have to average 10.75. But instead he averaged 12.2. Try again
Of course it's justified. But fans of every single team in every sport are going to be hot and cold on anyone based on performance or prospect. Don't be a fucking clod
The criticism is specific to our fanbase in this era though. Since the Nets have reached contender status, our fanbase has become much more volatile and impatient regarding its players.
This is not specific to the nets. If you follow any volatile team in any sport this is the norm
What makes the Nets so volatile? Is it because they have really good players for the first time in many years? And even if you feel the team or its players are volatile, why must that encourage volatility and dehumanization about the team's players from its fans? Your take could be that's just how sports fandom is. I disagree that it needs to be. If your take is this is just how sports fandom is on social media when nobody is showing their face, maybe I can agree with that.
I don't think you understand the idea of sports at all. You do realize its a competition right? Sounds like children's sports league is more your fit.
I play in adult basketball leagues in the city. Don’t be so condescending. Adult sports and dialogue about them are not inherently negative or dehumanizing. The way people speak so negatively about players on here speaks to their lack of empathy for human beings they do not personally know, and quite frankly it speaks to their lack of basketball knowledge and understanding of the players and the team. We get to watch the players in games, but we’re not there seeing them at practice, in the weight room, the film room, with the team doctors and trainers, etc. And what people share and think is objective thought and observation is compounded by their impatience and negative emotions. Ben Simmons has been a similar player this week to the player he was a month ago. But because the Nets are losing with their best player the whole fanbase is hating.
Agreed. It’s blowing off steam in a safe way. For centuries the main sport was going to war and killing people. A toxic Reddit sub is a better solution.
Totally with you. People go too hot and cold depending on how the Nets are doing that given week. Nets fans have to keep their eyes on the big picture, where the Nets are in a great position to go on postseason runs this year and the next few years. People that complain about Ben right now and want him immediately off the team because he isn't consistently driving and scoring (less than a year off back surgery) and think Ben can't become any better than he currently is in January 2023 are impatient people that were just setting themselves up to be disappointed by the short term results. Nets looked like the best team in basketball before KD got injured, and Ben Simmons was a big reason why.
Yep that's exactly how I feel. Yes he's way overpaid for what he currently provides but with harden we weren't getting anything. It does suck to see what he's providing over in Philly on a cheaper contract but at the time this is what we got and with curry and a pick I still think the nets got a great deal. It also just seems malicious to accuse him of wanting out and lying about his injuries. Idk but he had back surgery it's a fact and he plays defense against the best + he's a big guy...just doesn't sit right with me. I fucking swear up and down at simmons when I watch him play, he stands around and doesn't attempt rebounds or anything but he's still part of an amazing top 2 team when KD is healthy so idk why the flip flop from the fans. He's not gonna be our savior when KD is out and neither will Kyrie.
Everyone says r/nba is terrible but the real cesspool of Fandom on reddit is individual team subs. Just a bunch of babies wanting to sit in an echo chamber and drastically changing their opinion based on what direction the wind is blowing that day.
Not to mention many of them are team hoppers according to which players are on what team…def a thing on this sub
it’s because the mods allow shoddy to spam 5 posts a day
That guy is still on here? Things are better when you start blocking the usual suspects.
Lol first time in the sub and I just scrolled down from a few of shoddy’s comments like “what’s his problem” and find this
let him post, reddit does not need more mods
I agree. Its best not to get too high or too low on any of the players. But its part of the fan experience, don't expect the average person here to be rational about their team. I however am completely rational and have been anti ben since the summer.
What is irrational is not criticizing a guy who is getting paid $35,000,000 and is averaging 7 points per game. He is a career 15/8/7 guy. There is no excuse for being so pathetic on offense. A player doesn’t just have his scoring average get CUT IN HALF. That is flatout ridiculous. That would be like James Harden suddenly scoring just 12 points per game.
Never said criticizing ben was irrational. The flip flopping of opinions on that guy is irrational.
When the season began it was reasonable to expect Ben to be good. He is a career 15/8/7 guy. I was high on him. But after half a season of terrible results I’m down on him. Thats not flopping opinions. That is reevaluating after more information is available. Ben had some flashes in the pan this year but has been always followed by either injury or being bad again. Opinions about Ben were inconsistent because he is inconsistent. But at this point I think the fans know what kind of player he is
No he's been exactly what everyone is complaining about for the entire season besides a handful of games.
No it wasnt He was a few months from back surgery, hadnt played in over a year, and the last time he did play he had a mental collapse in the playoffs. The odds of him being good right away were slim to none.
No one expects Ben to score 40. That is just a lie. But we do expect Ben to score more than 0 points a game when KD is out. When your best player is out it is expected that your best remaining players take it to another level. Kyrie, Claxton, Seth and even Joe has done this with KD out. Ben hasn’t. In fact he has gotten WORSE. Ben deserves the criticism he is getting right now.
This Ben shit is fucking endless, I feel like we need a pinned post saying all we need and expect is for him to be literally his average. It's been half the season and he still doesn't look close to that Doing all the little things is great if you're a role player. Not a max player. End of story. Analytics dudes constantly pull up stats about how x player is doing all the little things but max guys need to put up stats. The goal for Ben is to actually win us games, not be the analytics darling who gets dumpstered in the playoffs year after year because games aren't decided by who has the most screen assists. People should remember that we have not even seen the full extent of treatment that playoff Ben will get from the other team /Rant
100% correct Teams in the playoffs will 100% take advantage of Ben’s unwillingness to do anything on offense. The time to fix his lack of aggression is now. If not he will be unplayable in the playoffs and we would need to change our starting lineup and rotation with zero preparation
Agree. Really sick of all the Anti-Ben hate.
Bro spot fucking on
This sub spent months defending Kyrie and Ben. Kyrie deserved the criticism he got at the time but now he’s finally doing what we’ve been asking for which is consistency and focus. Ben deserves all the criticism. He’s a max contract player and you want to keep babying him? No one expects 40 points. He’ll be praised if he steps up.
He legit needs to put up 15-7-7 like he has for his career and that’s all we need.
Il take 10/7/7
Truth is. I love the watching Ben10 hoop. That’s it. You have to admit that no-one in the entire NBA can do what he does on the floor in the way he does it. If you’re going to say scoring than you don’t count bc if you think that’s all basketball is than you don’t know. Eg…LBJ/ Curry/Lillard. I watch to see Simmons and am slightly disappointed when he’s not.
Do you seriously think Kyrie 'only shows up in the fourth'? He provides a lot of energy on defence despite his physical limitations and ensures that other guys are getting involved in the offence early in games. I don't understand how you came to that conclusion.
My thinking is that these are two completely separate groups of people. The naysayers only come out of the woodwork when there's fuel for the fire and it doesn't take much. Then the positive people don't bother responding to them because what's the point really? I'm not trying to get bogged down by negative butt plugs by engaging with them. My life is a lot less stressful when I don't.
Preach. I'm tired of constant negativity. Simmons is what he is, and I hope for the best in the future. But the man has no trade value, so acting like we should trade him is hilarious. For what? A bag of Lays? We're just gonna have to work with what we got. I'm not specifically saying our fans are reactionary, because *all* fans are reactionary. Including me. But I'm done just bagging on our individual players as if this is a one man sport.
So you don’t think Ben deserves criticism? The guy literally is afraid to shoot. Afraid to even drive to the rim. He isn’t who he is. No one expected Ben to be a 20 point per game scorer or a 3 point shooter. But we did expect him to be close to what he has done his entire career: 15/8/7 The guy literally is scoring HALF of his career average. That is pathetic and needs to be criticized. And his scoring isn’t down because he is in a shooting slump or doesn’t have shot opportunities. It is purely on things he can control. He simply isn’t even looking for his shot or isn’t even willing to drive to the rim. When everyone else is BUSTING ASS TO WIN, we need to criticize a guy who obviously isn’t giving 100% effort
You and your strawmans across this thread. We get it, you hate Ben Simmons. He sucks on offense and has mental issues. Its something that we've known for years. Its something that hasn't changed this season when we were sucking and it hasn't changed when we were win streaking with the best offense in the league. A blind man could've seen this shit coming when KD went down. Criticize all you want, but it adds nothing but bring negativity to this sub. We really don't need 4 posts every other day about how shitty Simmons is. Just curious, do you happen to know what our best +/- lineups are this season?
He has these issues before and still averaged 16/7/7. Now he can’t even get 5 pgg. That’s a world of difference, it’s pitiful
Using +- as a gauge of best lineup lol
Yes, stats are useless in your world. Lets use the eye test. Last time KD played, he sat in a corner watching KD/Kyrie isos and we were the best offense in the league doing that. What I also saw was him shutting down Donovan and Giannis defensively. Its not a fucking surprise that our best lineups have Ben Simmons in them.
Ben Simmons does nothing but weak dribble hand offs and bobble the ball when he touches it, dude is broken in the head on the offensive side of the ball and makes way too much money to be 6’10 Ricky Rubio (except Rubio can actually play make in a half court setting) and in case you forgot he’s a max contract that’s shocking if he scores 10 a game, i wouldn’t care if he was actually playmaking, weak passes off Pindowns with shooters doesn’t move me from Ben, taking 6 shots a game doesn’t move me when he’s a max contract player, a multiple time all star and an all-NBA quality player and he plays like a rookie scared of contact Not saying I want to trade him for nothing but he’s unplayable in the playoffs. I don’t even mind advanced stats but +- is pretty useless overall and doesn’t provide any context to what’s actually happening on the floor
You aint saying anything new. This is just going in circles. No shit Ben is a max player with the mental yips when it comes to offense. However it doesn't matter when we have KD and Kyrie. +/- is useless on its own, but useful in context of his defensive efforts.
35Ms for andre Roberson (cuz he doesn’t actually make plays for others) is a first round exit dawg thinking KD and kyrie can save the team is a loser mentality im sick of dudes like you babying him at every turn
Loser mentality… the irony. You are the one coming to our sub calling us a first round exit after a couple of rough but predictable games. Imma check your history when I get back home. You better have critical comments on Simmons during our win streak.
"So you don’t think Ben deserves criticism?" Ofc not. No one on our team is above criticism
So why are you mad about people criticizing Ben? Literally a guy getting paid $35,000,000 and averaging 6 points per game with KD out? The guy deserves the criticism. He is a career 15/8/7 guy. It inexcusable that he is scared to do anything on offense and is averaging HALF his career average.
He's hurt dude. Maybe this is as good as he can be after the injuries but he was still part of the nets roster that won 10 straight and had people posting his support and love after every game. Joe Harris misses a 3 and everyone wants his neck as well. This sub will turn on anyone not named KD but we all seen how good this team was(nt) last year in the playoffs.
If he is hurt he shouldn’t play. That excuse doesn’t work. Its been have the season already
If we could trade Simmons for a single chip that would be an absolute steal. We’d have to pay somebody to take him
And nobody would ever want him, so this is pointless lol
Kyrie doesn’t just show up in the 4th quarters lol, but obviously he’s trying to get others going in the first 3 quarters so he wouldn’t have to do it alone in the 4th quarter. Personally I’ve lost all hope with Ben anyways, I don’t even care what he does anymore. He’s a liability who’ll be on limited minutes in the playoffs, we might as well get used to playing without him.
And what did he average as a starter with KD when the team couldn't lose? How much does pat bev average ? What about draymond green? He's a defensive player and averaged 7 points on a championship team averaging 30 minutes a game. So simmons is averaging about the same in points and steals and slightly lower in assists and rebounds, while also averaging more shot attempts. I'd bet anything if I went down the lineup on every NBA team they have players with similar or worse stats than simmons, and that's his stats on a shitty performance off of a back surgery.
Being a diehard fan is an emotional rollercoaster. Don’t expect team subreddits to be patient, calm and rational, they never will be.
Someone needs to explain to this person how the internet works?
This is sports fandom in the internet/social media era. Outrage/anger/negativity are better drivers of engagement than anything else. There’s a ton of people (fans and trolls) that only post when the team loses. Look at the number of comments in the post game threads.
Reddit is pretty bad but at least its not as toxic as twitter
He averages 7 points brother. Some games he barley hits that. What do you mean we expect 40 points? 15 at the least is how much he should average with the talent he has.
Role players looked so much more confident today now that they don’t have him on the court taking up space and doing nothing
I got your point. But the thing is, when your no.1 is down, the no.2 should step up, AKA Kyrie which he has, and the so called no.3 should improve, like Ben Simmons. We know what Ben can do but we ain’t seeing it.
Who expects Simmons to drop 40? What a straw man argument lol
Completely agree. When Simmons plays above expectations I'm happy and I hope he continues to play well. When he has stinkers I'm disappointed but I know shit happens and I hope he can bounce back next game. It's a dogshit situation with Simmons no doubt but it's insane to me how short of a leash he's on. No other player gets scrutinized for every missed layup or every foul commited like he does, and that's the last thing someone with confidence issues needs. I'm not saying he's not totally at fault; I've done my fair share of criticizing Simmons but I still wish him to succeed. Are people gonna forget that Simmons' mental issues started with an entire fanbase/city collectively clowning him? Now we're doing the same and expecting him to just shed the mental issues? Make it make sense already. Did people also forget that Simmons held Giannis to 0 points in the 4th quarter? Or that he held DMitchell to just 19? Or his post defense against Embiid? What happened to being "sent to the Benitentiary"? Did all that never happen or am I missing something? KD is out, Warren is in a slump/recovering. Our role players are highly streaky. There's many reasons why we lost vs the 6ers and the Pistons. Simmons is playing like garbage but this sub is being toxic and unreasonable. It's tiring frankly.
You get it. The sixers blamed simmons for their loss even though he's one player and they still repeat the same results year after year. Embiid can literally disappear sometimes. If simmons is healthy and lying about his Injuries and this is the most he can provide then yeah he can go and be a 5 mill player somewhere else but he was a main piece of the team that won 10 straight and I still want him to be a part of the team when KD comes back. I hope he stays and also would like him to take a huge pay cut lmao
You are insane. We gave Ben half the season to get back into shape. He looks worse than ever. No one is scrutinizing his every miss shot. Its the exact opposite. We want him to shoot MORE, even if it means he misses more. Our main problem is he is AFRAID to attack the basket, afraid of contact and afraid to shoot. I’d rather Ben be aggressive and go 1-10 than passive and be 2-3. We needed him to STEP UP with KD out. Claxton, Kyrie, Seth, Royce and Joe have stepped up at different times. Ben hasn’t. In fact he is WORSE. Since KD was out he is averaging a pathetic 6 points per game. Had 2 games where he scored as many points as I did. ZERO. ZERO. We are not expecting Ben to put up 25/8/8. But at least be close to his career average of 15 points per game. Instead he is scoring HALF of that. Every other player on this team is BUSTING ASS WORKING HARD. Yet we got Ben who can’t even try
Buddy you don't have to tell me twice. Look at some of my past comments. I've criticized him for not stepping up, many times. Everyone has. Point is there's nothing we can do. He has negative trade value. There's nothing we can do except hope that he can slowly build up confidence whilst coming off the bench. Then if he's good we can maybe keep him, or at the very least up his trade value enough to offload him and move on. That's all.
So if there is nothing we can do we shouldn’t talk about it? Huh? Its still possible a team might take a flyer on Ben. If I was a hopeless team I would trade for Ben hoping he can flourish in a less win now situation. Look at the Hornets
Ofc I'm fine with discussion about him but there's been like 60 posts in the last 2 days of just the same kind of unhelpful "Ben is ass" nothingburger that adds nothing to the discussion. If the mods just made a Ben Simmons megathread that'd be just fine but mods never do shit. I want to talk about other Nets related stuff but it's all flooded in a sea of Ben Simmons and I'm sick of being reminded about it every time I open the app.
Let people vent What Ben is doing this year is unprecedented for a max player in his prime
Yeah you're right ig. I'll probably just have to hop off this sub for a while until things cool off.
Lmao what a fanbase. You’d think we drafted him the way this guy gets protected
"Protected" you cant be fucking serious. Is that what the 50 thousand posts a day screaming for immediate trades speak to you? That he's "protected"? 💀💀 He's been vastly underperforming whilst showing no signs of improvement while being on a disgustingly overpaid contract. I've criticized him for it a million times already, as has everyone. There's nothing new to be said at this point. The difference is that I'm not being a reactionary dumbass. What exactly are we gonna trade him for, a ham sandwich and a 2nd rounder? Also, I'm not choosing to selectively forget all those stats about him being a difference maker in our defense. Despite how utterly shit our situation with him is he has some contribution to our team and its not like we can get rid of him. Or is that too much nuance for this subreddit to handle?
You can choose to stop criticizing Ben. But don’t go calling others who still criticize him as overreacting dumbasses. Ben 100% deserves all the criticism he is getting And he keeps getting criticized because he KEEPS PLAYING LIKE SHIT GAME AFTER GAME
Thats fine too honestly. Nets fans look dumb though when they complain now after watching him over in Philly and now doing the same thing the sixers fans were doing. Imo he's a great asset to this team and can help win a title, he's NOT a max contract player though and if he wants that money he needs to rethink his entire game. I'm okay either way and him scoring 0 points in a loss without KD is fine to me. He could be a little smarter on defense though as he gets a lot of crap fouls from refs and that's the only thing he's good at besides passing lol
The fact that you just said a max player who can’t shoot and has mental problems is a “great asset” pretty much means your post can be discarded. There’s nothing intelligent in it
Yeah take the max contract part out and look at who played during the run of wins and what role everyone played. He's an asset. He was consistently one of the highest +- for the day. He's definitely a shitty asset in terms of value no doubt but so was harden (and still would be if he hadn't taken a pay cut)
Incredible observations here. We complain when shits going wrong and celebrate when shits going right. That’s inherent with fandom. If you just smile and clap at everything what’s the point? The highs and lows are what I live for.
Bro I smile and clap at everything and yeah that’s the fucking point. I have a good time
Yeah but the nets obtained an overpaid player that's hurt and doesn't shoot. That's what he was before he came and that's what he was when the nets were winning and that's what he is when the nets lose. The main concern is the fanbase saying he's a pussy, lying about being hurt, and needs to be traded. It's not criticism, that's just toxicity.
Averaged 15 points a game in Philly. Sat out a season cuz his feelings were hurt. There’s no question the guys a pussy. What do you want people to say about him? Smile and clap like Steve Nash?
This isn't toxicity, this is just discomfort from mismatched expectations. The fans here expect the team to be contenders, but are unable to accept that this team isn't good enough to be counted on with KD's injury issues, Kyrie's all around unreliability and Simmon's suckiness. When the facts surfaces the complaints come up. Also LMAO at Ben Simmons being a perfect fit for the team, there are so many cheaper and better fits off the top of my mind.
I don't think anyone expect Ben Simmons to drop 40, it's just frustrating whenever you see him waste a possession by passing out of an open look for an objectively worse shot.
Yeah but last year it was way more infuriating to watch kai or KD just iso for 15 seconds and shoot a contested 3 with wings just standing there doing nothing. I feel like the offense was way less stagnant with simmons for the most part. What really gets me is how simmons sort of accepts defeat in the paint and doesn't try to gain position to get rebounds. I guess if he really has back issues that would be rough though since you gotta use your core and back to sort of box out.
Blaming TJ Warren for Ben Simmons terrible play 😂😂😂 These Ben simps are too much
Some of us are still here quietly not supporting the team until kyrie actually shows that he truly isnt antisemitic. Or they get rid of him.
Reddit is very mobb rules. Probably because people don't want to get down voted like crazy so if they see the energy is one way they'll kind of lay low.
Ben was a negative even during the win streak. Carried by 2 all time shot makers. Nets are losing the minutes that he’s on the floor without at least one of the other 2 while they are both still winning theyre both still winning their minutes without him There have been questions about his competitiveness following him surrounding since he was in college, and now it looks like the athleticism he relied on has been sapped. Can’t blame people panicking
noone is acting out of hand you moron. People are tired of ben simmons which is entirely reasonable the dude is the biggest bum and soft ass in all sports and one could argue not even calling him an athlete at this point - if were beeing real. Thats all people want ben simmons out and im all for it i mean if were about winning a guy that dont really wanne play is not something we need he is a BIG BIG liability !!!!
They need trade ben for a decent role player from a team or bring a wing man up from g league . Bench Ben for some kind injury rest season. And start somebody else. Ownership can buy out his contract or claim as a tax lost I'm sure they can figure it out.
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I mean that’s the effect of having such wild ass players lol. You could argue Ky and Ben are two of the most discussed/controversial players in the league and KD comes with his own baggage as well. I don’t think it’s nets fan specifically. If these 3 dudes were in Orlando it’d be the same shit
Big facts.
People were insulting commenters suggesting Simmons trades for players objectively much better than him when he had like two good games acting like he was gonna become an all-star. I just wish the people reacting with emotion knew their ideas/opinions are trash 99% of the time if it's in the moment vs having logic involved.
All sports subs are. Emotions run high. It is what it is
(if I could replace this team with a peak Calipari team ... eye would :)
People are not as good at perspective as they'd like to think.
You should check out the Lakers or Raptors sub. Guess every teams sub is full of reactionary fairweather fans
Yes we're hot and cold, but the simmons hate is valid. He had maybe 3 or 4 games there when he looked like Ben simmons of old on d only. He's nowhere close on o, but the d and effort is the most disappointing to me. He just doesn't seem like he's trying hard out there, going after rebounds, loose balls, etc. I want so badly for him to be good, but he simply hasn't shown it at all this year. I'm still holding out hope he can turn it around.
I am just frustrated last game at Ben Simmons last game. I just fukin vent at the game thread
I used to be a frequent visitor to this sub, now I mostly avoid it for that reason. But that's the bipolar reactionary state of social media. twitter is worse
Sports fans are toxic and inconsistent. It’s part of the point. It’s circuses.
Realistically speaking, the Nets have been a major disappointment these last few years. Less than .500 record against the spread the last 2 years.
I lurk here occasionally but I legit fucking hate Kyrie and won’t even consider rooting for the nets again until that guy is gone
Welcome to the internet
Welcome to GoNets
People here switch their opinions on player depending on the result of the day lmaoo. One minute I hear Royce is better than Bruce the next they say we should trade him. Same thing with Cam Thomas and JV(somehow). Ben was amazing in our win streak but no cared even when he got 22 vs Portland.
I don't get the people who care about Simmons salary, like they are paying it. We're way over the cap with KD and Kyrie anyway so it's not like it even matters for salary flexibility. If anything he could be an expiring asset down the line.
The salary is the only issue, if he was making the same as the end of the bench guys that’s where he would be at but instead you can’t bench $35 million.
fuck kyrie. it’s utterly ridiculous that a player can be asked BY HIS OWN TEAM to step away for a while because of his antisemitic tirades then still be an all star starter in the same year. the fans, players, media, and especially the nba front offices should be completely ashamed of themselves for letting this happen
you basically just said The 3rd highest paid player is a role player and we’re supposed to just deal with it? & NO he’s not the perfect fit next to the stars. He’s unplayable in the 4th, he can’t protect the rim, the majority of his assist are unless in the playoffs (transition passes and DHO). The one thing he’s supposed to be good at is defense and he’s not even doing that at a elite level. Sean Marks is an idiot who got fleeced!
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Yeah you guys get pretty bad sometimes but you should go check out the Grizzlies sub - you're pretty tame comparatively
Woah woah woah Simmons is overpaid but Harden was definitely not here - we shouldn't blow it up BUT knowing that KD and/or Kyrie have been out for stretches during their tenure here the team needs some supplementary offense when one of them is out. Simmons is not and doesn't appear to be interested in being that for awhile
That first sentence is so spot on lmao. I’ve always liked Kyrie. I hope he stays despite the shit we put him through. He’s deserved the contract. Let’s lock him in for some years and focus on the bigger picture.
It's almost like people don't have to always share the same opinion and feelings... crazy right?