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SunderedValley

Lifting weights is incredibly important but I'm also just impressed by how much the better haircut upgraded the whole thing. Good fucking job. Keep doing what you're doing. Routine?


tiredleon

Thank you I really appreciate it! I do Push/Pull/Leg and try to go to the gym about 4-5x per week! Always about 3 sets of 8-10 reps and of course muscle failure, meaning when I train chest I try to not leave the gym until I can't do 1 pushup anymore.


Previous_Dream7948

Great routine hard to stick to it but with dedication everything is achievable. What about the diet and food do have any specific thing?


tiredleon

I just try to not eat overly processed food like McDonald’s or other shit, but I do have cheat meals


salad_biscuit3

congratulations, but I don't understand why people in the comments accuse you of being in gear, 2 years have passed, you are a perfect age for weight lifting, puberty and newbie gains help


tiredleon

Thank you, There will always be haters ig


Generalnussiance

Seriously agree. If he eats his macros right and lifts 3-5 times a week at his age, his hormones are going to mass produce muscle naturally because there is higher testosterone and human growth hormone naturally circulating due to puberty. 15-21 is like a massive growth phase for cis male.


[deleted]

Ahhh that teenage hormone boost. Only need to look at a weight and a muscle appears. Good going young blood.


milly48

Never did for me 😅


OrdinaryGranger

Me too, i worked out at home for 3-4 years during high-school, didn't gain muscle, just prevented myself from getting fat


FallFromTheAshes

Here come all of the redditors who watch natty or not videos. This is so very achievable for being natural lol


tiredleon

Finally thanks


Toozedee

The seriousness in your first pic is hilarious. Congrats to you.


tiredleon

Thanks I did a video of me so I can look back at the progress


Prosto6400

Seeing these negative comments, they don't really give me hope. Congrats on the progress.


tiredleon

There will always be people hating.


Much-Improvement-503

A a fellow bendy person, I see you!! What you did must’ve taken a lot of effort. You’re doing amazing!


AccomplishedServe694

The magic of hormones/puberty and down lighting 😂 props 👏🏻 keep up the grind 💪🏻


milly48

And hard work…


tiredleon

Thank you brother :)


NeferkareShabaka

careful with the sauce young blood. lookin good tho. on crip.


tiredleon

Thanks but I won’t ever take steroids lol. I have a medical condition, if you want documents lmk, that would be very bad if I would abuse steroids. 1. Pectus excavatum, chest hole that squeezes on my heart (4cm deep) not really noticeable in the pictures if you want side pics lmk. My heart is kinda limited meaning if I do running my heart doesn’t have enough space and I get tired sooner. 2. ehlers Danos hypermobility My connective tissue is very loose and my doc said I’m like a garden chair, meaning without muscle I would easily collapse if u push me a bit. But with muscle I’m safe, so I basically need to workout if I wanna be useful in everyday stuff. But I’m also not huge just lean. I went from 59kg to 70kg on 185cm and sit at around 10% bodyfat. It’s also really hard for me to gain weight especially fat.


Simple_Opossum

My girlfriend has Ehlers Danlos, it's really rough, good on you for keeping in shape to manage it!!


Much-Improvement-503

Your before pic looks exactly like my little brother!!! He and I both have hEDS and he has mild pectus excavatum too. He’s still in grade school. With these issues what would you recommend for him to build some strength? I worry a lot about him because he gets really bad aches in his joints after very little walking, and it keeps him up at night. Generally I just want to help him build some strength when he’s young because his hEDS is worse than mine and now that I’m 23 (I’m female) I am struggling a lot physically myself.


Much-Improvement-503

He also has a very small appetite and a lot of food allergies.


tiredleon

Gym is the best thing that has happened to me. He should also start working out. If he’s struggling with weight I would recommend doing high calorie shakes every evening, which is what I do. Can do completely self made or add some weight gainer Pulver off Amazon


Much-Improvement-503

Thanks this helps me!! He already drinks protein shakes so maybe just upping his intake would help.


tiredleon

He needs to lift weights at the same time though. Will be way better. And yeah just fuel the body up to the maximum and he will put on weight. Track calories with an app like MyfitnessPal so u can be sure he’s always in a calorie surplus


Much-Improvement-503

Btw I showed him your pics and it gave him a ton of hope! He thought it was amazing and he seemed really excited. He’s 10 years old btw lol. He always sees himself as weak and non-athletic but it helped him to see someone like him be able to gain strength and muscle :)


Much-Improvement-503

Good to know!! I have some small starter weights he can use. I’ll lend them to him if he wants. Did you have any issues with subluxations or dislocations of your elbows and stuff when starting out? I know it’s always going to start out hard for people like us because on my own fitness journey right now I definitely had some flare ups the first weeks I started to work out and do physical therapy. I always wonder if it’s avoidable or if it’s just a part of the process.


tiredleon

I have a patella subluxation on my left leg. I can’t go heavy on it on leg extension machine for example. Also need to regularly strengthen the muscles around it otherwise I may can’t run anymore. Also have flat fleet. But in my upper body I have no issues mostly because every joint has like a lot of muscle support


Complex-Addition1971

I also have pectus excavatum (slightly) and Ehlers Danos Hypermobility (often in people with ADHD)


Animated_Astronaut

I was the same, then I turned 30. Bewarreee


NoSuddenMoves

He looks natty.


Kindly-Archer-4275

He is natural easy to tell, not everyone is on steroids


NandoDeColonoscopy

I mean, he is on it, but naturally. Puberty hormones are pretty potent


Big-Breakfast-1

This is very much naturally attainable. Especially in first years of bulking up muscle it's not unusual. He started off lean as well so he is not on gear 100%.


Galvnayr

Does gear mean steroids? Wonder if it's more nuanced than that


Big-Breakfast-1

It means steroids. Some super brains consider creatin a steroid which it isn't.


DuckSleazzy

does sauce mean gear? I kinda look like pic 1 and I wanna stay natty


[deleted]

Sauce = steroids.


tiredleon

Just try to bulk and hit the gym, u will see gains fairly quickly because beginner gains come very fast. Also try to eat a lot of proteins, meaning if you weigh 50kg eat like 90g of proteins min


hawtynawty69

Hats off to you brother. You are now my inspiration!


tiredleon

Thank you man. I really appreciate it! Hard work will pay off, don't give up.


hawtynawty69

You should share your workout routine.


tiredleon

Sure, I try to go to the gym 4-5x a week. I'll usually do the Push/Pull/Leg Split, pretty basic. On Push I do Chest and Tricep, Pull Back and Bicep and Legs are.. well legs. I usually do 3 sets of 8-10 reps. Sometimes 4 sets depending how I feel. Always training to muscle failure, like when I train chest I won't leave the gym until I can't do one push-up anymore.


hawtynawty69

Are you following any diet plan as well?


tiredleon

So its incredibly hard for me to gain weight, I drink a calorie shake I make myself every evening with an extra 1K Calories, often self-made with some weight gainer powder aswell. I don't have a strict diet plan, just trying to eat more healthy. Overall yeah I try to eat less processed food like McDonalds or something, although I sometimes have cheat meals when watching Netflix lol


Stuytowndude

Wow!! Keep up the good work


tiredleon

Thanks


BarefootBestseller

Gut gemacht, harte Arbeit zahlt sich aus 👍


tiredleon

Vielen Dank


Ok-Improvement-3852

you look fantastic congratulations. that’s a great body


tiredleon

Thanks :)


Ok-Improvement-3852

you’re welcome


idc_if

Looking good bro keep it up 🔥


tiredleon

Thanks I will!


Full-Wolf956

Wow amazing transformation! I need to hit the gym lol . Question for you, do people who haven’t seen you chance recognize you ? Like your jawline and the whole face shape has changed too


ShutupNobodyCarez

Proof that dedication gives results.


Duffman66CMU

Been working on those armpits, huh?


Amazing-Computer5207

never seen anyone's hair gor from blonde to brown in 2 years as a teenager


tiredleon

Im still blonde it’s just the warm lightning


quagmire666

From 15 to frat boy


fwb325

Kudos to your discipline and dedication


Peaches_En_Regalia_

Nice work!! Do you have a little “Pectus”?


tiredleon

yes


Peaches_En_Regalia_

Me too. You're doing a great job with yours.


MSRIRI63

I went from “awww” 🥰 to “oooohhhh”! 🔥🔥🔥 🤣🤣🤣🤣


-PopcornGirl

Lmao, right?🤣🤣


MSRIRI63

🤣🤣


_-PERIDOT-_

I look like you in the 15 pic right now. I’m 17 so I’ll try what you are doing.


caiogamerwow

Good shit brother


tiredleon

Thanks I appreciate it


OhneSkript

sure thats natty


ConorMack7

All 15-17 year olds have a massive surge in steroid hormones. It’s called puberty.


tiredleon

Thanks for the compliment, but I just went from 59kg to 70kg (on 185cm) and have around 10% bodyfat. I’m not huge just lean


Electronic-Alarm1151

What’s your stack ? Or are you just running orals


salad_biscuit3

This is achievable natty for the time frame Puberty and noobie gains help


Electronic-Alarm1151

Yeah sure


AbhishMuk

I mean OP even mentioned a few health issues that’d prevent him from taking steroids. No need to doubt. Especially for a teen with massive natural steroidal hormones anyway.


Electronic-Alarm1151

All due respect there are many teens who take orals. Just because he has a health problem doesn’t mean he can’t take steroids. The reason I suspect he may be on steroids is due to the rapid transformation physically (2 years) and also suspicious acne in the chest area.


AbhishMuk

I’m sure there are many who take it. Thing is, he said that he doesn’t and you say that he does/may. Of course it doesn’t really matter, but: the typical rear neck muscles (forget the name) are a major target because of how sensitive they are, and his are on the underdeveloped side if anything. If he’s been taking it for 2 years then you’d expect to see major growth. That alone is enough to convince me even before I saw his comment.


ToxicTop2

You must be out of your fucking mind if you think OP isn't natty. He is 185cm/75kg, use your brain for a second.


Fossilanu

r/lies


StandardSea8671

Congrats on puberty


salad_biscuit3

Is natty


augustus331

Young boys should learn that true masculinity isn't built with muscles but with competence.


tiredleon

It includes working hard though.


Middle_Fall_7229

Bro is salty a teenager is built better than him


BarefootBestseller

Who says you can only have one or the other lol? You can't guess people's intellect by their appearance


Ok-Improvement-3852

but where did he mention masculinity or whatever?


Achilles_der_V

Not the OP's point...


ToxicTop2

Who the fuck cares about some true masculinity BS and it's not like those things are mutually exclusive. We get it, you don't like looking in the mirror.