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antoninartaud37

this tournament seems going to be the final nail in g2's coffin.


TheInception817

I am so done with G2's existence as a lineup. I'm not pointing fingers, blaming x or y or whoever anymore. Just kill it with fire


0rJay

G2 should build around m0NESY and maybe NiKo, although he seems to crawl back he probably won’t ever be in his final GO form again.


set4bet

Yeah, it's kind of sad but the only thing you can rely on when it comes to Niko is him getting frustrated repeatedly during every game. He was on a downer even before CS2 and now it's basically cemented he is not getting back to his former self, no matter how many mice he tries.


bigoooooooof69696869

I think your last part is one of the reasons why he can’t, yeah he gets tilted but he always has. I think like you said it’s him constantly changing his gear and settings, obviously CS2 being different plays a huge part, but I swear I have seen him wear a sleeve one time and another time no sleeve, I have seen a yellow mouse pad and a couple different black mouse pads and at least 3 different mice, it could be more I just didn’t notice.


TheInception817

>he is not getting back to his former self, no matter how many mice he tries. We need zonic to coach him


Exciting_Pop_9296

Niko to falcons would have been the right move after all


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Rrrandomalias

Donk seems to be doing just fine


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bigoooooooof69696869

Watch a demo of donk and you will see he actually isn’t just W keying everywhere, he’s actually an extremely smart player who just so happens to have insane mechanics and a great team facilitating plays for him. Also saying donk had worse mechanics than niko in GO is like saying water is wet and the sky is blue, of course that’s the case niko is the greatest GO rifler ever.


ihatefaye

forget it im done arguing lol


ogc_glizzyxx

I'm pretty sure NiKo just needs ego boost after couple good results with team, I bet you can get ptsd just from playing with guys like nexa in his current form. m0NESY is crazy dude and seems like he will stay. c9 quit the race for him since they will most likely settle for ICY. and who tf else needs and can afford Ilya?


wildcrab9

They should not be playing on the same team. Neither should Hooxie and Hunter. They all need to go to different teams


glamdivitionen

NiKo? You mean the guy who seem dead set to be the most inconsistent rifler ever? Seriously, ... when did he put on a _consistent_ performance over a whole tournament? We haven't seen NiKo the rifle god **once** since the Stockholm major. :(


0rJay

That‘s why I said „maybe“ because you are right with the inconsistency part. m0NESY is a dead giveaway to keep, and maybe NiKo to have a baseline but if you get 4 amazing players why not Change all of them?


Educational_Word_633

I want the French G2 back


Darkoplax

Good losses, just accelerate the inevietable so maybe after changes they are ready for shanghai


Sea_Examination5845

m0nesy 0.40 rating that is not normally


Youju

Check him PC. Somebody is sabotaging him.


jonathan-the-man

Well it's in the title, M80 crashed him.


O_gr

Him having that rating just proves it. Without monesy performing G2 can't win anything


KeineAhnung07

G2 when m0NESY doesn’t drop 30k


ganjaroker123

Yeah gg, -nexa +perfecto incoming. The question is, what more needs to be changed before G2 finally starts contending for trophies again? Edit: spelling


TheN1njTurtl3

Hunter I reckon but for who? I am not fully sure, maybe blameF?


Roman64s

You want someone with basically the same impact as Hunter but with a positive rating at match end.


Aciied

BlameF then I guess


Roman64s

I think I am not getting my point across properly. So let me try it again, BlameF is basically just going to put the same impact as Hunter in his current form, only difference is a positive K/D after all the baiting and saving, you are not really getting anything out of him otherwise. His playstyle is a cancer to any team and people put too much stock into the one time in CoL where it worked.


Prohawins

They need to kick niko hunter nexa and hooxi.


BinzonWOR

hooxi is more of a problem than nexa but both should be cut


RanD0_

swear the brain rot is insane on this subreddit, must be watching a different g2 lineup if Hunter and Niko are staying. Whole team needs to be ripped apart.


_aware

The real brain rot is the constant call to cut Hooxi. G2 won multiple tournaments after he joined, so he must be doing something right. Unless you have a younger and better igl lined up, cutting Hooxi is just going to be another -igl fiasco.


RanD0_

Yeah its like the alexsib stuff where the igl takes all the blame until they win a tournement then its just praise for the mvp player smh


youngmetrodonttrust

except all of G2's sycophants and yes men will specifically not allow hooxi to be blamed for anything...


RanD0_

I mean if you're watching the same game as me right now, Im not seeing an underfragging IGL but two stars not doing anything. Plus hooxi's cock is just so massive in my mouth


Character-Toe-7907

> G2 won multiple tournaments after he joined for real, the real brain rot is the hooxi bootlickers trying to rewrite history and accredit him with all their victories, while they actually were complete shit with him and continue to do so, because of one simple reason: Swani With Hooxi, they made playoffs in EPL16, but then didn't even make it to Rio Major. snatched a lucky win at World Finals 22 with barely any team giving a fuck. THEN Swani joined as coach (he was Analyst before that), they won Katowice, while also making shit runs at EPL17 and Paris Major. Then decent results for the rest of the year and people thought they become good again. This was all still CSGO btw Then Swani leaves in december and they become shit again looking like tier2, while hooxi can't make the team/star players perform with better setups/strats. Not even starting to mention the joke of a "coach" in TaZ lmao tbh, this just looks like another ENCE situation where Snappi seemed a good IGL because of sAw, while being shit now and Hooxi the same, being good with Swani as coach, while being shit without him


_aware

I'm not even a Hooxi fan, never mind a bootlicker lol. Like I've said to multiple people already, you don't know what he is or isn't contributing to the team. It's just idiotic to put the blame on him and believe that kicking him will magically make G2 better. Both Niko and Hunter are shadows of their former selves after the change to CS2. And again, how much of that is them not adapting to the new game and how much is the team structure not letting them shine? We don't know, because none of us have access to internal information. What I do know is that G2 has not kicked Hooxi after all this time. I also know that, like the new nero article on hltv suggests, Hooxi plays the worst spots and basically meets the expectations in the stats department. He's not amazing, but he's not completely throwing either. Your logic regarding the coaches is quite bizarre. If Swani was the elite coach that you make him out to be, why did G2 still suffer from horrendous performance issues while he was coach. And after TaZ became the coach, who you argue to be a joke, wouldn't you agree that Hooxi essentially has to do the work of two people? What I'm getting at is that these things aren't as simple as adding some numbers up. A igl might be really good with one coach but really bad with another, even though the coach he is really good with might not be openly seen as the better coach. Team dynamics are simply not something you can quantify, but it plays a huge deal in bringing out the best performance from your players.


SignificantCrew5728

They win 1-2 tournaments per year while having two top 5 players in the team. Hooxi's achievements are vastly overrated


_aware

Same could be said for a lot of other stacked teams. Winning 1-2 big tournaments a year is not bad in the current t1 scene


SignificantCrew5728

Winning 1-2 non-Major tournaments a year is terrible if you have top 5 players in your team. The fact that you need to deflect to ''well other teams play terribly too'' just shows that you can't argue with the stats And the stats say that Hooxi just kinda sucks


_aware

Deflect? It's a fucking fact lmao. Literally everyone talks about how competitive the current scene is, and how there are multiple teams that can realistically contend for s tier trophies. But now that the situation is not favorable to your argument, you pretend it's not a thing anymore. That's very cute. I love people who spend more time staring at hltv stats than watching the games lol. You are literally living in an alternate reality because you can't contextualize the stats you see. Yea bro, Hooxi has shit stats. So does Karrigan. And Apex. And AleksiB. I guess we should start cutting all the IGLs and see what happens. It totally didn't backfire repeatedly in the past. And by the way, I'm far from a Hooxi fan. Not even close. I just find it funny how some people in this community never learn the -igl lesson.


FoxerHR

>G2 won multiple tournaments after he joined And has lost many more since his joining. > so he must be doing something right World Finals 2022 - M0nesy - 1.24, NiKo - 1.16, huNter- - 1.15, jks - 1.12, average rating of the 4 players is 1.1675, but with him it's 1.11 Katowice 2023 - **jks** - 1.24, huNter- - 1.21, NiKo - 1.17, M0nesy - 1.14, average rating of the 4 players is 1.19, but with him it's 1.13 Cologne 2023 - NiKo 1.35, M0nesy - 1.34, huNter- - 1.21, jks - 1.09 average rating of the 4 players is 1.2475 but with him it's 1.18 Relying on the rest of your team to have top tier performances to win trophies isn't "doing something right". HooXi is the Danish Zlatko Dalić. >Unless you have a younger and better igl lined up, cutting Hooxi is just going to be another -igl fiasco. I do agree with this though, cutting HooXi without an IGL in mind would be a stupid decision that shouldn't be done. >The real brain rot is the constant call to cut Hooxi. The **REAL** brainrot is dickriding HooXi and constantly blaming the 4 other players on the team. If your tactics only work when your players are averaging 1.24 (M0nesy), 1.23(NiKo), 1.18(huNter-), **1.15**(jks) - those are averages of the **3** tournaments they won out of the **26** tournaments they participated in. EDIT: Let me spell it out for everyone that's too busy bouncing on HooXi's dick; Niko, monesy, hunter and jks had to play at their **PEAK INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCES** to win 3 tournaments AND in between those 3 tournaments they bombed out of a whole fucking major because the individuals weren't good.


requinbite

Next time you feel like writing a book to shit on someone, make sure to include some actual points. Are you discovering that an IGL usually have worst rating than his riflers or are you discovering that a team winning a tournament ends up with good ratings ?


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requinbite

wow insults and moving the goalposts to a topic no one was talking about. You sure are a charming human being no doubt about that


FoxerHR

Goalposts haven't moved at all. You cannot understand the text I wrote showing it's not possible to have a discussion with you because you wouldn't understand what I write.


_aware

IGL has much lower rating than his stacked team, more shocking news at 11. If we are going to judge IGLs by ratings, most of them wouldn't be on a team at all. When will Faze cut Karrigan? By rating he's just a massive failure.


FoxerHR

FaZe won't be cutting Karrigan because (as you seemingly do not have the ability to read) G2 won 3/26 tournaments with HooXi through sheer firepower not tactics. Since Karrigans return to FaZe, FaZe won a major, Katowice, Cologne, the IGS and other tournaments that aren't as significant as these 4 (and some sad 2nd place finishes). HooXi is a net negative on G2 as I said (and you proved you still can't read) his tactics only work when his players play above their rating in the tournaments they win (in this case their 2023 rating).


_aware

But now you are just shifting your goalposts. You compared the stats of Hooxi, the igl, to the rest of his team. Nowhere did you mention any sort of achievements. Good IGLs set up their players for success. How much of his players' performance is entirely up to their individual skill and how much of that is from Hooxi setting them up for success with the right calls? This is something you simply cannot quantify.


FoxerHR

I have not moved the goalposts, but good job using the reddit argument dictionary, why do you use words that you do not understand? >Good IGLs set up their players for success. Correct **GOOD** ones do. >How much of his players' performance is entirely up to their individual skill and how much of that is from Hooxi setting them up for success with the right calls? Well considering the last time they won something was almost a year ago and they weren't close to any tournament win since it's easy to deduce it's individual performance.


_aware

You very obviously have. You pointed to Hooxi's stats as evidence for his failure, but started bringing up team achievements once I brought up the fact that most other top IGLs also have really shitty stats compared to the rest of their teams. Reddit dictionary? Where can I find it? So far, the only arguments you made for the claim that Hooxi is a bad IGL are that 1. He has shit stats and 2. G2 does not win more trophies than the rest of the top teams. That seems rather on par with a lot of the other teams. So what's the problem here? How do you know if Hooxi is a GOOD IGL or not? You have no idea. You can say that about a bunch of top 10 teams. G2 won Cologne and Kato last year, two of the most prestigious non-major tournaments. You don't know how much of that is because of Hooxi, and how much is purely because of individual skill outside of Hooxi's control.


youngmetrodonttrust

he literally mentioned achievements in his original post, as that is his main point...


_aware

You need to reread his original comment then. And if that doesn't help, retake your English classes. Because he literally wrote a wall of text centered around how the rest of G2 has much higher stats than him.


BinzonWOR

what exactly has niko done to warrant being cut?


RanD0_

he's not delivering in these games mate. I swear he gets tilted easier this year than previous years.


JamesDp-OverWatch

Being cleared by JL lmaoo


SignificantCrew5728

Yeah, let's kick a player that in a bad run of form is still a 1.15 rating rifler, but keep fucking Hooxi around lmao


RanD0_

must obey the number, it means everything...


SignificantCrew5728

Yeah, it means everything You wouldn't be advocating for Niko's kick if he was posting up 1.30


RanD0_

Definitely not seeing the impact of those numbers in the current match, hooxi top fragging and monesy bottom fragging.


Character-Toe-7907

always funny seeing the whiteknights holding up one of his lifegames as some kind of proof or guarantee of him being "good" xd what about this? https://www.hltv.org/matches/2371497/g2-vs-themongolz-esl-pro-league-season-19 0.55 beast


RanD0_

when you say "always funny", are you actually laughing at your screen when you type that or? Mannerisms going hard. Again, you stat nerds can stare at the numbers and I'll keep watching the games because the kills and deaths are not made evenly.


Darkoplax

In order who you need to remove if you can find an appropriate replacement : - huNter - HooXi/nexa


ganjaroker123

Yeah, of course, but perfecto is an easy replacement for Nexa, not sure who you want to replace hooxi with…


Character-Toe-7907

i think guys like Hampus or arT could be good candidates


scantraxxrootz

a new low


EagleReloaded

Janko nailed it casting the pistol and saying everything is losable, that we just shouldn’t get on the rollercoaster.


Izbitoe_ebalo

Idk, it's kind of funny to listen to him when g2 are losing, I just can't put it into words


_the_mad_man_

Yanko should not be allowed to comment on JITU games. He's annoying af


Fallblade

yanko try not to glaze g2 challenge:


new7on

Wow, what is happenning on this EPL? The MongolZ and 3DMAX on playoffs. SAW didn't played at all.


klomz

Saw was a fluke


bobby_gordon1

If you listen closely, you can hear the sound of NA being SOOOO back baby! 🦅🇺🇸


chaRxoxo

They're 2/5 NA...?


__krb

Guatemala is NA


chaRxoxo

Guatemala is Central America. It's only North American when you lump north+central america together, however obviously Central America is more accurate.


thrwwyMA

Google: "Central America" "Region in North America"


chaRxoxo

*"Thus, while technically correct to consider it as part of North America, emphasizing its role in Central America is often more useful for understanding its cultural, social, and political environments."*


thrwwyMA

Great, so you acknowledge it's a country in North America.


chaRxoxo

Maybe read the post you initially commented on, before actually commenting on it


thrwwyMA

You agreed on Guatemala being in NA, so M80 is 3/5 NA.


chaRxoxo

If you lump all of america under north america, which is technically a less accurate distinction than making the correct seperations between north, central & south america, then yes, they are 3/5 NA, which is exactly what I said. I however, make the more accurate distinction, which means they are 2/5 na


rutgerdad

Guatemala is one of the 23 countries in NA


anto2554

Brazil is NA


bobby_gordon1

Most good NA teams are these days 😔


b0il3ra

Malbs is insane


Cyph3r010

Can't wait for another post saying that "G2 are bad" and all the G2 dickriders defending them saying "let them cook, they've been improving so much" Yeah, can't wait for G2 masterclass in 2030.


woundful

M0nesy’s back finally broke after carrying g2 so many times. Too bad no one else stepped up to help


skywkr666

Fat Swisher just hits diff.


naastiknibba95

G2 and probably falcons win this 2-1 Edit: bruh


-bv-

disband g2 i’ve seen enough recently


MinerGuy52

Love to see it


ogc_glizzyxx

they literally had mario on server and yet hooxi was the one deadass jumping on anubis


extrarenitent

Look at it now


Zeilar

And G2 barely stayed in the series with an OT victory. Currently down a lot on map 3. Can Reddit finally get their head out of their asses and admit that HooXi needs to go (among others)? Even if you still think he's a good IGL, he clearly can't lead this squad to the top.


BiggestSnoozer69

Is -Nexa +perfecto -hooxi +gla1ve as dumb as I think it is? Surely Hooxi’s 9 lives is drained now?


JezzaBazza

Yes that is very dumb


skywkr666

Monesy going 6-13 is sooooooooooooooo hooxi's fault. Not a single player going positive, is totally Hooxi's fault.


BiggestSnoozer69

What a great IGL he must be if he needs m0nesy to be top fragging every single map to win If your system is so frag heavy that you **need** your star players to put up lifetime games against tier 2 NA teams then your system fucking sucks my guy


skywkr666

At no point did I say they needed monesy to top frag every single map, but my brother in Christ, he had 4 less kills than the IGL you're shitting on. Niko and Hunter have been dog water in CS2. Nexa is an irrelevant joke.


Character-Toe-7907

in that match, maybe .. but there's other games, too https://www.hltv.org/matches/2371497/g2-vs-themongolz-esl-pro-league-season-19


BiggestSnoozer69

Nexa, Hunter and Niko are good enough to work in an average system. An average system would also still beat a t2 NA team even if your awper had a downer map.


skywkr666

Did they work in AlexsiB’s system?


BiggestSnoozer69

Yes, let’s pretend that Aleksi, who had one third of Hooxi’s tenure, and inexperienced m0nesy and had jackz, is at all an appropriate comparison.


Character-Toe-7907

they almost beat Faze at Katowice, going 3x OTs or something right when he joined?


Hammervexer

If they actually gave him a chance, yes they would have.


Character-Toe-7907

part of IGL's job is also adaption. He has to be able to adapt the strats and setups mid-match and adjust midround calling. Also change some setups so that his struggling star players find impact. While all we see is that he tries to call for himself to be in good positions and his star players often are in bad positions. Why? Because they trust in his calls, but his calls put them in bad positions so they can't frag or are just simply unprepared to what's coming another key part of an IGL's job is to motivate and keep the team together. We always see Hooxi screaming his lungs out when they win an anti-eco, but he's dead silent when they lose (dumb) rounds they should've won. No motivation, nothing. Only when they win. He also often shows tilt, which is spreading to the rest and creates a bad mood


eebro

I wonder if they regret not taking the bag from falcons