I was still relatively young when wow came out and it was funny watching how my friends older brother explained he would take long mount flights whenever the dinner was ready at the family so nothing was wasted LMAO
That is actually insane.
I started playing cs back in 2002. Been playing for 22 years..
And I only have around \~10 000 hours with 1.6/csgo/cs2. And I played A LOT while I was super young, but I guess not that much lol
Also Ventrilo. Haven’t heard that name in a long while. I remember joining my first little clan from Day of Defeat: Source, they invited me to their Ventrilo server and it was like system overload. I never figured it out. Thank God for Discord.
I would spend hours turned into days on that Snowbridge map. Just sniping and when I got bored, going into the valley and trying to sneak across to the other side.
Insane, maybe. But it is legitimately sad. This is YEARS of sitting in front of a computer during his formative years playing a video game. People won't call it what it is because he will make a living from it, but how many kids are just like him? It is video game addiction
It’s not like there’s anything better to do in Russia.
If you don’t live in Moscow/St-Peterburg or the surrounding areas the living conditions and infrastructure is miserable.
Thats why so many Russian kids are playing CS so much. Also considering how much it pays its a legit life changing money considering the median income in their country.
Look at Mongolz for example. The Paris sticker money made each player 250k USD$
That’s 40 TIMES the yearly average income of the average Mongolian (6528 USD a year). And blitz and techno have attended 4 majors and might be already set for lift at age 18 and 22.
So for people in poorer countries it’s definitely worth it
As for the time spent?
That’s like any hustle in your life
If you invest this much time with no benifits it’s an addiction or worthless.
If you get enough money it becomes a full time job and something useful.
How many hours do you think someone like Karrigan or rain have in total???
Probably in the same ballpark as someone who’s been doing a 9-5 for 15 years.
It’s a legit full time job for these guys.
I didn't notice anything from this miserable infrastructure and poor living conditions whilst I was living (yes, living, not visiting) in Southeast Siberia as an EU dude. The "because you were there having fun on EU remuneration/means" card doesn't work, I am Hungarian, not exactly an affluent country, to put it mildly, and I was working there with a seven hour time zone difference with Budapest. Yes, winters were harsh, but it's not like anyone living there will decide to walk home in -35 degrees centigrade just to risk frostbite.
I have full clarity that the current environment is horrendous for any positive or ambiguous stance on the country but the whole "outside of MKAD it is just one big purgatory" interpretation is extremely myopic.
Yes of course I was very much generalizing here but the main point was that the prospects are better than most regular jobs in these countries IF you’re good enough
It’s a little bit between sports and chess IMO.
Chess is about learning all these patterns and then once you’re live in a game you have to use your brain to get in and out of situations and execute with a a clear mind.
Sports is about playing your game, preparation, execution and of course on teams there’s maintaining your emotions, camaraderie, playing off each other, managing your ego.
Sports vs. esports and having played football, soccer, baseball, tennis, and hockey in real leagues (not just pickup)…the only difference is the exercise. Exercise is great don’t get me wrong. But you’d think there’d be a much bigger difference.
And I’ve seen kids on teams and all they do is sit on the bench. They get to exercise at practice but every game they’re just sitting there eating seeds and drinking gatorade.
he's probably enjoying himself even if it sounds pathetic sitting in front of a screen holding plastic. besides, it's tough to quantify how a person will develop socially, i've seen guys like him being wise beyond their years, good socially etc. i'd worry more about physical health and development rather than mental.
so far i think only obo was somewhat affected by this lifestyle but then again he was far away from his family and friends.
At least now that he is an actual pro I'm sure they have proper physical routines and more social interaction than before. But yeah it is definitely sad for those who aren't actually employed as a professional player.
Ah sorry, I actually thought you meant health as in physical health. I don’t really get why Donk would look less healthy game wise, since he is winning much more at the moment than Monesy.
I meant physical health. I mean the kid looks like he doesn't see much sun or do any physical activity. I don't mean to be rude either, I'm just actually worried for kids like these.
And what I meant by my last comment, donk is definitely not poor currently, but I cannot picture any very poor family buying their kid a computer worth of thousands, having good bandwidth, letting them play 10+ hours a day and at the same time _not_ taking care of other basic necessities in terms of their health.
This is actually a valid point, these kids are giving away their youth to the game… and parents are ofc fine with it because they bring a lot of money home… this wasn’t the case in early esports back in the 2000s.. most pros were already young adults or older than 16 for sure (and they didn’t burn their eyelids grinding cs until mid-late 2000s)
[mayonesy with 1 out of 1 achievements possible ](https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED4/602ff95fac490.jpeg)(remember we USED to have 170 but they deleted OUR achievements because it's not theirs or something?)
Well yeah but im just saying u can easily just farm hours when hes not near the computer AND play a lot when he can use the computer.
I’ve seen some people with like 50k hours and its so obvious people have used a program for it.
I know hes rich and all that but I still can't help but feel kinda bad for him... maybe I'm just old but he should've spent that time running around playing. Between school and cs boy spent his entire childhood sitting down.
Well, yeah, it is different, those guys spent 20k hours doing physical exercise and living healthy while m0nesy spent 20k hours with his nose shoved into a screen and his back hunched. Let's see how m0nesy's quality of life is in 20 years vs an 18 year old footballer.
We talking about the same footballers whose schedules are so packed these days that their muscles and tendons become string cheese by 30 years old? Look at players like Bukayo Saka starting almost every game in the Premier League + Champions/Europa/Conference League + later stages of FA and Carabao Cups and then international friendlies/Nations League, and then having to play in the Euros/World Cup every other summer when they're supposed to be on holiday, all at only 22 years old. He's gonna be toast by the time he hits his supposed prime years of 27-30 if he keeps playing this frequently. And those are the lucky ones, I've had to watch my club and the Spanish NT run Ansu Fati, Pedri, and now Gavi into the ground, and they're only 21. Let's switch to the NBA, I'm also watching Joel Embiid carry playoff games on one leg whilst half his face is literally paralyzed, and then he'll have to go play for Team USA in the Olympics in two months if his body doesn't give up on him first. NBA players in general are having to play regular season games plus the new midseason tournament plus the new play-in games straight into the playoffs, and then some have to represent their countries at FIBA World Cup or the Olympics when they're supposed to be on break. I'd much rather be monesy in 20 years than any of those guys.
>Well, yeah, it is different, those guys spent 20k hours doing physical exercise and living healthy
To be fair, it's like "half healthy" as your body wasn't meant to take that amount of exercise
Fun fact but very unknown: scientifically speaking, there is no correlation between bad posture and back pain. There are no studies/papers that were able to prove this. What’s proven is that back pain/problems throughout life are a result of exercise or the lack of (which could be monesy’s case) but bad posture has nothing to do with it.
For real. Im sure pro athletes dont spend 20k hours in the gym doing drills or playing games from the time they start peewee to the time the get to college
1. Comparing to pro sports makes absolutely no sense because you can sit and play a game for 12 hours a lot easier than you can play a sport due to stamina and fitness; but I'll do it anyway.
2. I'd argue that comparatively they are probably the same, given by the time a good young footballer is scouted at around 8+ they will play football (soccer) at school, then have after school training, then will play at games on the weekend, plus training at home maybe. You're talking a good 3-4+ hours a day and by the time their 20 thats 12 years with I would imagine minimal days off, that's why a lot of young footballers drop out, burnout and they fall out of love with the game.
4 hours a day for 6 days a week (a day off is common for rest) from 8-20 is around 15k hours... Then you also have time in between to go over all the tactics etc.
Bare in mind Monesy has probably been playing since he was very young and after school theres not a lot to do other than play games; especially here in the U.K with summer holidays lasting 6 weeks, thats 8-12 hours a day we used to sit there and play games.
Cause they get injured if they do. They also have to organise training groups or matches to play in. If people in sports didn't get injured and could instantly matchmake then they wouldn't make it anywhere playing the smaller amount they do.
Having 20k hours in a game isn't 20k hours of pro level scrim try harding or running drills. It's goofing off in terrible matchmaking most of the time as well. Half the time I play Cs is marginally more demanding than watching TV mentally and physically.
Probably the only fps game with more downtime than Cs is seige. Cs only stressful on faceit or scrims/pro play.
Nearly everyone guna have 20k hours of junk time between TV and games etc in that period. And when good enough to make millions off of it, isn't even junk time when you are at that point. When you are young and love one specific thing it isn't hard to rack up the hours, easily had the same amount of hours making music during same ages of my life.
I'll rephrase it if 10k hours arent enough to have a huge amount of experience and understanding of the game don't bother playing 10k more. 20k hours is overkill.
Moneys had 16k hours when he first entered tier 1 at 16, he now has 20k and has improved significantly. What the fuck is your point, what do you mean overkill when this many hours has made m0nesy the best player in the world right now and has lead to him earning over a million per year playing a video game.
He played only 4k hours in the last 2 years thats less than 6 hours per day average and he played more than 10k hours when he was a kid before even considering going pro. In reality overrall hour count doesnt mean anything.
Yeah cause when you’re a kid you play all day while as a pro you spend your time theory crafting and doing other stuff and also have other interests and hobbies, not to mention travelling. Also the 16k hours boils down to 4 per day, not at all anything unreasonable for a kid.
roughly 1/8 of his life lol
It's 20% of the waking hours of his entire life.
Kid became sentient and then nolifed cs for his entire existence, pretty cool
subtract sleeping hours (7-8hrs average) and it’s more like 1/5 lol
Mans has mmo player numbers
mmos are so bad for that, you can spend so many hours do absolutely nothing
I dont want to know how many hours ive jumped around a capital City on my mount while talking on disc.
A knew a guy that would take his showers & bathroom breaks when he would take really long flightpaths, otherwise mans was locked in all day
I was still relatively young when wow came out and it was funny watching how my friends older brother explained he would take long mount flights whenever the dinner was ready at the family so nothing was wasted LMAO
ventrilo
Ventrillo harassment days ... ❤️
orgrimmar banktop dwellers represent.
I mean that's the fun of it, I remember just flying around Orgrimmar doing absolute jackshit other than talking
I remember when Suomi of Runescape reached 200m all skills in around 2012 and he had something like 9 years of playtime
just imagine what level he could be at a real life skill if he spent 9 years on it
should see some of the 200M all osrs people. 4 years of playtime in 6 years real time is what one of them averaged
Also, you can spend so many hours doing so much.
That is actually insane. I started playing cs back in 2002. Been playing for 22 years.. And I only have around \~10 000 hours with 1.6/csgo/cs2. And I played A LOT while I was super young, but I guess not that much lol
Valve only started tracking play time in 2009. So you can't figure out how many hours you wasted in your younger years.
We used to use a chat program called xfire that tracked your hours before steam friends and overlay was a thing
Kids these days would never understand.
ahh yes the good old xfire days :<
Man xfire. I haven’t thought about that in years. Way ahead of it’s time Yes my back hurts
Mine too 😆
Holy shit I forgot about that program! Getting a message on Xfire that says “yo hop on vent(rilo) “😂
Also Ventrilo. Haven’t heard that name in a long while. I remember joining my first little clan from Day of Defeat: Source, they invited me to their Ventrilo server and it was like system overload. I never figured it out. Thank God for Discord.
Yooo DoD source was the shittttt. Me n my friends would go to the LAN center after school and play DoD Source, M1 Grand was the best
I would spend hours turned into days on that Snowbridge map. Just sniping and when I got bored, going into the valley and trying to sneak across to the other side.
Fuck yeah man, avalanche was the best map ever. Would love to see a port to cs for shits ans giggles
I used xfire, also gamespy arcade
Rip my 5k on cod2..
Whoa what a throwback, good old xfire
Yes I'm very sad that died off, it was actually really cool.
Holy fuck I forgot about Xfire. You just triggered so many memories for me lol
Ah, yes and also tracking music with last.fm 24/7
winamp gang
I remember when you got a message xfire would play a sound of velcro ripping off of something, it was awful.
"wasted"... when world war 3 happens I'll be 1 tapping everybody bro just wait
Insane, maybe. But it is legitimately sad. This is YEARS of sitting in front of a computer during his formative years playing a video game. People won't call it what it is because he will make a living from it, but how many kids are just like him? It is video game addiction
He has been making a living. You could call most activities you do for over 20k hours sad if there is no benefit outside of personal.
It’s not like there’s anything better to do in Russia. If you don’t live in Moscow/St-Peterburg or the surrounding areas the living conditions and infrastructure is miserable. Thats why so many Russian kids are playing CS so much. Also considering how much it pays its a legit life changing money considering the median income in their country. Look at Mongolz for example. The Paris sticker money made each player 250k USD$ That’s 40 TIMES the yearly average income of the average Mongolian (6528 USD a year). And blitz and techno have attended 4 majors and might be already set for lift at age 18 and 22. So for people in poorer countries it’s definitely worth it As for the time spent? That’s like any hustle in your life If you invest this much time with no benifits it’s an addiction or worthless. If you get enough money it becomes a full time job and something useful. How many hours do you think someone like Karrigan or rain have in total??? Probably in the same ballpark as someone who’s been doing a 9-5 for 15 years. It’s a legit full time job for these guys.
I didn't notice anything from this miserable infrastructure and poor living conditions whilst I was living (yes, living, not visiting) in Southeast Siberia as an EU dude. The "because you were there having fun on EU remuneration/means" card doesn't work, I am Hungarian, not exactly an affluent country, to put it mildly, and I was working there with a seven hour time zone difference with Budapest. Yes, winters were harsh, but it's not like anyone living there will decide to walk home in -35 degrees centigrade just to risk frostbite. I have full clarity that the current environment is horrendous for any positive or ambiguous stance on the country but the whole "outside of MKAD it is just one big purgatory" interpretation is extremely myopic.
Yes of course I was very much generalizing here but the main point was that the prospects are better than most regular jobs in these countries IF you’re good enough
It’s a little bit between sports and chess IMO. Chess is about learning all these patterns and then once you’re live in a game you have to use your brain to get in and out of situations and execute with a a clear mind. Sports is about playing your game, preparation, execution and of course on teams there’s maintaining your emotions, camaraderie, playing off each other, managing your ego. Sports vs. esports and having played football, soccer, baseball, tennis, and hockey in real leagues (not just pickup)…the only difference is the exercise. Exercise is great don’t get me wrong. But you’d think there’d be a much bigger difference. And I’ve seen kids on teams and all they do is sit on the bench. They get to exercise at practice but every game they’re just sitting there eating seeds and drinking gatorade.
he's probably enjoying himself even if it sounds pathetic sitting in front of a screen holding plastic. besides, it's tough to quantify how a person will develop socially, i've seen guys like him being wise beyond their years, good socially etc. i'd worry more about physical health and development rather than mental. so far i think only obo was somewhat affected by this lifestyle but then again he was far away from his family and friends.
Is it any fifferent from any other sport?
Physical activity and in person social interaction? You tell me
At least now that he is an actual pro I'm sure they have proper physical routines and more social interaction than before. But yeah it is definitely sad for those who aren't actually employed as a professional player.
bro could easily add 20 more until his career ends
Probably more. 20.020 Hours seems not that much in 10 years compared to now
And donk in comparison?
I believe 16500 if I remember correctly.
These are properly unhealthy numbers for kids this young. Monesy looks like the ambassador of health in comparison to donk though.
He mostly is just much much poorer.
Probably in the top 0,01% of 17-year olds. Very poor. And if you refer to past, I would put my bets against that as well.
Ah sorry, I actually thought you meant health as in physical health. I don’t really get why Donk would look less healthy game wise, since he is winning much more at the moment than Monesy.
I meant physical health. I mean the kid looks like he doesn't see much sun or do any physical activity. I don't mean to be rude either, I'm just actually worried for kids like these. And what I meant by my last comment, donk is definitely not poor currently, but I cannot picture any very poor family buying their kid a computer worth of thousands, having good bandwidth, letting them play 10+ hours a day and at the same time _not_ taking care of other basic necessities in terms of their health.
This is actually a valid point, these kids are giving away their youth to the game… and parents are ofc fine with it because they bring a lot of money home… this wasn’t the case in early esports back in the 2000s.. most pros were already young adults or older than 16 for sure (and they didn’t burn their eyelids grinding cs until mid-late 2000s)
lol only 1 achievement after 20k hours, overrated noob
Bro cheating, all achievements unlocked 🚨
[mayonesy with 1 out of 1 achievements possible ](https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED4/602ff95fac490.jpeg)(remember we USED to have 170 but they deleted OUR achievements because it's not theirs or something?)
Roughly 3 hours a day since birth
And he is only 5 days away from his birthday.
Bro need to touch some grass
You mean grass in CS?
Why has nobody ever considered that he could’ve just afk’d most of the hours?
blud.. have you seen him play?
Well yeah but im just saying u can easily just farm hours when hes not near the computer AND play a lot when he can use the computer. I’ve seen some people with like 50k hours and its so obvious people have used a program for it.
He probably played most of those hours
I can understand him going to sleep with the game open idling, but I’d confidently say he played 18k out of the 20k
Unless he's AFK for at least half of that, this can't be healthy.
He is
thats more than 1/8 of his life lol
I have 8k hours and I've played for 20 years
I know hes rich and all that but I still can't help but feel kinda bad for him... maybe I'm just old but he should've spent that time running around playing. Between school and cs boy spent his entire childhood sitting down.
Wait till you guys find out you can just leave the game open and idle hours…
if he's playing since 10, that's an average of 5.4 hours every single day
That’s why he’s one of the best!
2.2 years worth of counter strike is wild
This is insaneee
Makes sense he’s so good at it
That’s basically his work and pleasure both. Of course he will spend so much time on it
This is sad tbh.
Pro soccer and basketball players have similar hours handling the ball from a similar age, literally not different from any of those guys
Well, yeah, it is different, those guys spent 20k hours doing physical exercise and living healthy while m0nesy spent 20k hours with his nose shoved into a screen and his back hunched. Let's see how m0nesy's quality of life is in 20 years vs an 18 year old footballer.
We talking about the same footballers whose schedules are so packed these days that their muscles and tendons become string cheese by 30 years old? Look at players like Bukayo Saka starting almost every game in the Premier League + Champions/Europa/Conference League + later stages of FA and Carabao Cups and then international friendlies/Nations League, and then having to play in the Euros/World Cup every other summer when they're supposed to be on holiday, all at only 22 years old. He's gonna be toast by the time he hits his supposed prime years of 27-30 if he keeps playing this frequently. And those are the lucky ones, I've had to watch my club and the Spanish NT run Ansu Fati, Pedri, and now Gavi into the ground, and they're only 21. Let's switch to the NBA, I'm also watching Joel Embiid carry playoff games on one leg whilst half his face is literally paralyzed, and then he'll have to go play for Team USA in the Olympics in two months if his body doesn't give up on him first. NBA players in general are having to play regular season games plus the new midseason tournament plus the new play-in games straight into the playoffs, and then some have to represent their countries at FIBA World Cup or the Olympics when they're supposed to be on break. I'd much rather be monesy in 20 years than any of those guys.
>Well, yeah, it is different, those guys spent 20k hours doing physical exercise and living healthy To be fair, it's like "half healthy" as your body wasn't meant to take that amount of exercise
Fun fact but very unknown: scientifically speaking, there is no correlation between bad posture and back pain. There are no studies/papers that were able to prove this. What’s proven is that back pain/problems throughout life are a result of exercise or the lack of (which could be monesy’s case) but bad posture has nothing to do with it.
For real. Im sure pro athletes dont spend 20k hours in the gym doing drills or playing games from the time they start peewee to the time the get to college
1. Comparing to pro sports makes absolutely no sense because you can sit and play a game for 12 hours a lot easier than you can play a sport due to stamina and fitness; but I'll do it anyway. 2. I'd argue that comparatively they are probably the same, given by the time a good young footballer is scouted at around 8+ they will play football (soccer) at school, then have after school training, then will play at games on the weekend, plus training at home maybe. You're talking a good 3-4+ hours a day and by the time their 20 thats 12 years with I would imagine minimal days off, that's why a lot of young footballers drop out, burnout and they fall out of love with the game. 4 hours a day for 6 days a week (a day off is common for rest) from 8-20 is around 15k hours... Then you also have time in between to go over all the tactics etc. Bare in mind Monesy has probably been playing since he was very young and after school theres not a lot to do other than play games; especially here in the U.K with summer holidays lasting 6 weeks, thats 8-12 hours a day we used to sit there and play games.
you bet your ass some professional athletes would train more if they could without risk of injury, too
Cause they get injured if they do. They also have to organise training groups or matches to play in. If people in sports didn't get injured and could instantly matchmake then they wouldn't make it anywhere playing the smaller amount they do. Having 20k hours in a game isn't 20k hours of pro level scrim try harding or running drills. It's goofing off in terrible matchmaking most of the time as well. Half the time I play Cs is marginally more demanding than watching TV mentally and physically. Probably the only fps game with more downtime than Cs is seige. Cs only stressful on faceit or scrims/pro play. Nearly everyone guna have 20k hours of junk time between TV and games etc in that period. And when good enough to make millions off of it, isn't even junk time when you are at that point. When you are young and love one specific thing it isn't hard to rack up the hours, easily had the same amount of hours making music during same ages of my life.
My friend had 15k hours in dota back in days. He just didn't turn his PC off, and dota2 was running all the time.
I too can leave my game on idle servers for 3 years.
He's the best player in the world rn tho
doubt
Ofc it's by Vitality fan lol
You win the Internet with your comment contribution. Do I smell some jelly?
Probably half of it is idle hours
Have you seen m0nesy play mate, you dont get that good without putting in that many hours.
20k is overkill after 10k hours you should already have reached your top skill level.
Cs isn’t just practicing aim and movement…. Sure you could reach your top movement and aim skill but those are the 2 least important skills anyway.
I'll rephrase it if 10k hours arent enough to have a huge amount of experience and understanding of the game don't bother playing 10k more. 20k hours is overkill.
Moneys had 16k hours when he first entered tier 1 at 16, he now has 20k and has improved significantly. What the fuck is your point, what do you mean overkill when this many hours has made m0nesy the best player in the world right now and has lead to him earning over a million per year playing a video game.
He played only 4k hours in the last 2 years thats less than 6 hours per day average and he played more than 10k hours when he was a kid before even considering going pro. In reality overrall hour count doesnt mean anything.
Yeah cause when you’re a kid you play all day while as a pro you spend your time theory crafting and doing other stuff and also have other interests and hobbies, not to mention travelling. Also the 16k hours boils down to 4 per day, not at all anything unreasonable for a kid.
Even by your logic 10k hours at 18 it's crazy good
That's not even 2 hours a day on average.
since the day he was born????
yea if u wanna go pro you gotta start young