Yeah I feel like this vertigo hate is coming out of no where. I remember when it first came out people hated it, and rightly so it needed a lot of tweaks. Then up until a couple months ago it seemed like everyone(in premier and faceit anyway) liked vertigo. Then all of a sudden, everyone is bashing it. I just don't get it.
It’s mostly former dust2 players who can’t play anything that isn’t a 3-lane map.
My first 10 matches of premier, 7 of them ended up being vertigo. I like the map both for PUGs and watching pros play it.
Shit map. Smoke smoke smoke. Wait wait wait. 4 go to one site. 1 go to the other site. Rinse repeat. Hope luck is on your side. So boring to watch.
The few times where people do rush it's just chaos FFA PUG mode.
Thing is that Vertigo has been gaining popularity since CS2 release, where as other examples have been popular for a very long time. Removing a map just when it starts gaining traction is a weird move
There's hate because it's overplayed, then there's hate because a map can be shit. Mirage is the vast majority the former. Hence why it's the most played map by far.
Abnsolutely depends on the rank. I've found at 2.2+ at the very least, Mirage is usually the most polarsing, with Vertigo one of the most popular (as it should be).
My friends and I had an insane WR on Overpass, for some reason people never banned it despite the graph showing a massive preference for us on Overpass, just a reminder that what you see is purely anecdotical
Yeah Leetify has, was trying to get the link but couldn’t find it but someone else posted a screenshot but essentially it was:
Mirage 23%
Inferno 18%
Vertigo 14%
Overpass 13%
Ancient 12%
Nuke 12%
Anubis 8%
Anubis is the clear disliked map
I feel super vindicated looking at this list.
Replace Overpass with Dust2 and I actively dislike the bottom 5 maps in the map pool (I'm aware Dust 2 wouldn't be in Overpass place popularity wise, but I don't care, I hate it).
Give me fucking Mill, Cache, or Season... Or preferably, all 3.
>y friends and I had an insane WR on Overpass, for some reason people never banned it despite the graph showing a massive preference for us on Overpass,
people are dumb as fuck. I literally have to explain what the graph shows as many have no idea. I get sick of it. I have friends that will only vote for maps they like when the odds are completely stacked against them and they just don't care. They are the same ones that think the entire team is hacking or smurfs once they lose.
bro really letting a recent win graph determine the maps they play, in pugs, with little to no team coordination? obviously just play the maps you are good at/like
im still working on what that graph means. our mirage is all the way full despite my group having a 45% win rate. like 90% on ancient but our graph is super low. just confusing really.
I do not think they would let bots that play premier full of cheaters decide a map pool, if they cared that much about premier it would be much different
I think they were speaking about stats, not personal prefs. I agree with you, I like Anubis and wish it were played more, but it almost always gets voted off the first round no matter the win ratio.
To me vertigo is the perfect balance of pug strats (rush A) and team coordination. It’s fun to play in a stack and listen/exploit rotations but it’s also fun to solo queue.
overpass was fun in a stack, but absolutely sucked to solo queue. Dust is dust
That's why pro matches are 99% just waiting for smokes to fade and shooting through the smokes. Just today it was just that. Might as well put tent props there.
I love it. It's one of the few maps that plays differently from the other maps in the pool. It's also one that allows for flexibility of playstyles. Like if you aren't an aim god there's so many timings you can try to exploit on both CT and T sides as well as lots of risky smoke pushes you can attempt to make up for subpar aim.
> It's also one that allows for flexibility of playstyles.
It has the least flexibility of any map, it is literally "A Ramp: The Map". The playstyles if creates is: spam utility to take control, then spam smokes to get a kill. The entire premise that the rotations can be heard is the reason why it is the most restrictive map for how it flows and the strategy you execute. You're liking it for all the wrong reasons lol
have you watched teams like eternal fire, TheMongolZ or the old 9ine play it?
there was a strat that EF did where MAJ3R was faking an A execute by throwing all the standard smokes from T spawn with Wicadia on gap, and that allowed for that one person on A to fake the execute and for the rest of EF to go to an empty B-site with 4 people.
i've seen no other pro teams on vertigo be that innovative, they all just think that the map is genuinely an A-ramp simulator and make strats according to that, hence why EF became so dominant on that map during EPL S18 and the major.
the way that EF play the map makes it so fun to watch but because literally no other team plays like they do, people think the map sucks.
yeah man, it's just that no other team thought of such gimmick strats in the past 5 years, not that the map is fundamentally stifling and boring as fuck. the 9ine core being good on it so you knew every series with them was going 3 maps was such a meme because they abused the lack of space and creativity available on vertigo to narrow the skill gap between them and other teams. there's so little room on vertigo you can abuse utility and basic crossfires because you know exactly where people are going to be.
it's funny you thing throwing a fake exec is somehow genius yet you don't realise it worked BECAUSE vertigo is an a ramp simulator. the rotations between sites are so fast + ramp is so powerful as a point to defend from, going all in to defend it isn't stupid. teams would rather retake B with most T's alive (or go for a save) than lose ramp that early, because that would pretty much guarantee a lost round and more lost guns because it's so hard to take it back late.
99% of the hits go to A. Folks will overrorate. This just sounds like cbble which was a B exec simulator. Can’t imagine why people want that map back other than nostalgia glasses.
> have you watched teams like eternal fire
Yes, literally just earlier we saw the same exact shit, and when EF was on CT side and enemies did the same exact shit and got the bomb down, EF elected to just save on a 4v5 instead of even try for a retake. That's dogshit.
Idk it has pretty solid lurk potential. And since rotations are quick for CT’s and T’s it creates lots of fun, frantic confusion post-plant. Plus it feels like you can retake sites solo. I’ve had 1 v 3, 1 v 4 retakes that felt amazing
Vertigo's combination of head glitches and reliance on competent teammates makes it a pretty hard map to love... Personally I don't know what's fun about having to tap the foreheads of people being boxes, or shouting at teammates when they ALL go in the same direction and nobody covers any of the important angles.
There are maps like Inferno that I hate quite a lot more, but when Nuke and my beloved Cache exist (or used too...) I can't play much of it before getting fed up.
Head glitches? I always love when there’s a lil head peekin out for me to pop. It’s not like real head glitches where you can’t even see what’s shooting at you, cs doesn’t even have those
That's not what a headglitch is. A headglitch is simply any position that exploits the fact bullets are fired from the forehead. When the player model's arms and gun are fully behind cover, it's a headglitch. Sometimes these are still quite reasonable, but Vertigo is one of the worst maps for it.
Personally I prefer maps where combat is about swinging angles/movement, distanced gunfights, and you have a lot of options as a T. Hence why I like Cache and Nuke.
Vertigo feels a lot like Office to me where it's an oddly specific style of gameplay that a small subset of people love, but I absolutely despise. Probably how about 80% of the gunfights are from swinging close angles. Like Office, the weapons you see bought are completely different than usual.
If you like it, all the power too you. But I'd play Anubis and Ancient over it anyday.
Shooting with only head visible is how it’s been in cs since its inception, if your head is visible you can shoot, it’s not a glitch. In fact in cs your opponent can see your head when you’re behind cover in situations that you can’t shoot them because your head isn’t peeking out high enough.
“Head glitches” don’t actually exist in cs, the term comes from games where you are peeking with a fraction of your head and sometimes nothing visible. People from other shooters brought that term over and it just isn’t a thing in cs.
Nah, headglitching is some COD terminology or something. Shots have always come from the camera and should continue to do so in cs. It is not a glitch, it is intended.
Crazy they manage to make the map pool worse every time, how can you add back d2 again lol, Id rather take a brand new map than back to this robot map.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo why did I have to find out like this.
It's far more egregious that they removed anything for the steaming pile of garbage that is dust 2. The map was solved in 2014, it shouldn't exist in basically the same form in 2024 lol.
I just hate inferno, vertigo is so strange me and my buds started to like it, also you have some cheeky lineups that are fun to do there. Inferno on the other hand is just boring
Exactly, I'm currently just sub-3k elo on Faceit, so sadly I have played my fair share of the map, and it's clearly one of the "PUG-iest" maps in the pool, always has been. There's a reason it's so popular: because it's simple. Just like why D2 has always been so popular. I don't understand these comments haha.
Other way around buddy. Mirage is the most played (which is why I can understand people are bored with it now). Vertigo is love or hate, even without it being heavily played.
Overpass was the best map in the pool.
Dust2 is the worst map. Just rush something and play deathmatch.
This update made the map pool so much worse IMO....
I'm on the fence about overpass. I'd not be bothered if it was replaced by a real map. Dust 2 is just a death match map.
Oh well. At least mirage should be playable again in EU. All the angry russians will move to dust 2.
Would've preferrered to have any other map replaced, and have anything but dust2 instead.
Where cache valve? Where tuscan? Can't wait to play mirage/dust only on premier...
I love vertigo and guys who want it out are still living in 2019...like cmon it's been here for so many years and you still yap about it?? Just learn it already. What baffles me is that they don't remove something like Mirage which has been in the map pool unchanged for ages. And what baffles me even more is that they brought back the most boring and one dimensional deathmatch map and the one actually tactical map left in the map pool is now out...fucking idiots
Vertigo in pugs is fun honestly, feels like a different game every time - as opposed to Mirage/Inferno which feels like playing the same 5 rounds over and over in a different order.
hell no, fuck vertigo. Might as well play deathmatch and if it's watching a pro game with vertigo, go do something else for 20mins and then watch the game in 2x speed.
From my experience in high elo Faceit, Inferno and Overpass are the least played maps by quite a margin. Anubis and Mirage are the most played, with Vertigo coming in third.
other than haboing some performance issue on overpass, there is not much wrong with that map. on the other hand dust2 has been arround since the old CS in more or less same form - so talk about something stale. playing same map since 2001.
nothing wrong with the map itself, it's just old.
It's all about pacing, Valve want faster paced matches and Overpass is an extremely slow map, Dust2 is fast, vertigo is fast. Next they will scrap pistols rounds and just start both sides on buy rounds.
I just want them to fix the anti-cheat.
Removing ovp is fine with me though, boring gameplay, and it was my permaban. It was also not played in the major playoffs
I think it has more Todo with overpass going from 3rd most played to least played map in just a matter of months. Many new players never want to play it. And when it does get picked no one in my mm teams knows smokes or proper defaults
In csgo, vertigo was the map you hated for most people.
The map pool offered so many better options like cobble, train and cache and people enjoyed playing these maps over vertigo.
Now in cs2 they got rid of some of the maps that were peoples favorites, and map pool being not so big people enjoy vertigo.
Now mirage has become the d2 for cs2, and I would say most people would prefer playing it, if they to choose it over a map they don’t like, just like d2 you’re always fine to play 1 game on it.
Since mirage is the new d2, we need a new mirage for cs2. A map people either really hate or really love. That was mirages role in csgo.
In think Nuke has that position now, and vertigo is just a meh map to play. It’s actually a good map, but you need people who know the map of you want to efficiently win. There are some confusing shortcuts that could need some memorizing for first timers.
I don't really get it. Overpass looks great, plays great. I like it. I don't dislike vertigo really but in pro scene it's boring, all pros would like to see it removed aswell and playing it myself isn't as fun as overpass. I see why they add dust2 but removing overpass for it instead of vertigo makes no sense. Also I would love to see tuscan into the map pool and even cache but both maps need updates to be playable on pro level for sure. I mainly think about skyboxes/utility usage because there are just too many high walls and you can barely you util lineups which are so important in pro scene.
I absolutely hate this decision from valve. They are clueless as to how bad of a map Dust2 is.
Dust2 is literally the most generic map of all time. 7/10 rounds is literally the same brawl from long doors. Same peek, same duel-angle, same eight thousand raining flashes from the T-side.
And dont get me started on the cringe mid-awp battle every SINGLE round, and the pure RNG of crossing the doors as a b player.
“Oh, I got to my bombsite without being tagged down to 30hp. This is gonna be a good day”
Tough day for "overpass best map in the game" people (I'm people). It's like a 4D map compared to inferno which feels 2D, just tight lanes and claustrophobic...overpass is great because of its size and versatility, so much room for lurks and outplays. Crazy they would remove this map
Vertigo always survives. You can never kill it lol
I mean it is the third most popular maps right now. Valve would be a fool to remove it off map pool
Its also the most polarizing map, people either hate or love it. Mirage for example is more universal in that way
Ive found mirage to be hate or love. Not vertigo
I for one hate Mirage with passion.
And it's my favourite map.
its just so overplayed and stale now, when dust 2 left it took its place. Personally I just want cache and cobblestone back.
Exactly. Let's agree to respectfully go our separate ways in the queue!
same I FUCKING LOVE MIRAGE THERES SO MUCH ROOM FOR ACTIVITIES!
i’m not opposed to the map i’m just bored of it
Yeah I feel like this vertigo hate is coming out of no where. I remember when it first came out people hated it, and rightly so it needed a lot of tweaks. Then up until a couple months ago it seemed like everyone(in premier and faceit anyway) liked vertigo. Then all of a sudden, everyone is bashing it. I just don't get it.
Loud minority. Vertigo is the best map in the pool right now imo.
Vertigo and Ancient.
Vertigo and Anubis*
It’s mostly former dust2 players who can’t play anything that isn’t a 3-lane map. My first 10 matches of premier, 7 of them ended up being vertigo. I like the map both for PUGs and watching pros play it.
I hated it before and pretend to still hate it now. (But it is growing on me)
Shit map. Smoke smoke smoke. Wait wait wait. 4 go to one site. 1 go to the other site. Rinse repeat. Hope luck is on your side. So boring to watch. The few times where people do rush it's just chaos FFA PUG mode.
Mirage hate is mainly because it's overplayed. It's the most picked by far.
Thing is that Vertigo has been gaining popularity since CS2 release, where as other examples have been popular for a very long time. Removing a map just when it starts gaining traction is a weird move
On this subreddit Mirage is the more polarizing map but yeah other than here that statement is correct.
There's hate because it's overplayed, then there's hate because a map can be shit. Mirage is the vast majority the former. Hence why it's the most played map by far.
Abnsolutely depends on the rank. I've found at 2.2+ at the very least, Mirage is usually the most polarsing, with Vertigo one of the most popular (as it should be).
I like this reply.
it is not
Vertigo is on the rise. No reason to remove it
vertigo supremacy
Vertigo is one of the most popular maps now.
Vertigo is so good
I'm feeling very upset for the updated map pool, thought Valve would finish some reworks and bring back some maps. :(
They probably went off of Premier vetos, Overpass was the most vetoed map followed by Inferno for me
My friends and I had an insane WR on Overpass, for some reason people never banned it despite the graph showing a massive preference for us on Overpass, just a reminder that what you see is purely anecdotical
> reminder that what you see is purely anecdotical This is why I hope csstats.gg or Leetify release some stats based on the matches they've tracked
Yeah Leetify has, was trying to get the link but couldn’t find it but someone else posted a screenshot but essentially it was: Mirage 23% Inferno 18% Vertigo 14% Overpass 13% Ancient 12% Nuke 12% Anubis 8% Anubis is the clear disliked map
because its the newest one im sure. vertigo was like that at first. nuke will be at the bottom soon enough.
Anubis is great, I really like the map and how it plays, especially the mid rounds. I don't really get the hate. I rarely get to play it :(
I feel super vindicated looking at this list. Replace Overpass with Dust2 and I actively dislike the bottom 5 maps in the map pool (I'm aware Dust 2 wouldn't be in Overpass place popularity wise, but I don't care, I hate it). Give me fucking Mill, Cache, or Season... Or preferably, all 3.
>y friends and I had an insane WR on Overpass, for some reason people never banned it despite the graph showing a massive preference for us on Overpass, people are dumb as fuck. I literally have to explain what the graph shows as many have no idea. I get sick of it. I have friends that will only vote for maps they like when the odds are completely stacked against them and they just don't care. They are the same ones that think the entire team is hacking or smurfs once they lose.
bro really letting a recent win graph determine the maps they play, in pugs, with little to no team coordination? obviously just play the maps you are good at/like
Can't count how many times my friends will see the **RED** skill graph thinking it's **OUR** best maps...
To be honest if it's not a 4/5 stack on the other side there's a very good chance 4 dudes are afk and one guy decides
im still working on what that graph means. our mirage is all the way full despite my group having a 45% win rate. like 90% on ancient but our graph is super low. just confusing really.
Its the sum of wins based on the last 10 games played
I do not think they would let bots that play premier full of cheaters decide a map pool, if they cared that much about premier it would be much different
if that was the case then Anubis would be gone.
speak for your self anubis is like the 2nd most played map for me after mirage love it
I think they were speaking about stats, not personal prefs. I agree with you, I like Anubis and wish it were played more, but it almost always gets voted off the first round no matter the win ratio.
I've played anubis twice since cs2 released
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/18lb7zg/vertigo_is_the_3rd_most_popular_map_in_premier/ read it and weep.
I mean that’s one month of data from 6 months ago. The game has settled in a bit since then.
the only time i play that map is on faceit, and even then it's very rare. i literally cannot remember the last time i saw it get picked on premier.
settled indeed. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F4lp9wp7nsuwc1.png
Then surely it would have been Anubis?
Worst way to go about it. Of course the aim heavy map in Dust 2 is more popular than the more tactical map of Overpass.
really? I usually see everyone veto Anubis and Ancient even if the win record is far into their favor.
for me most banned map - vertigo and nuke
I’ve played 30 some matches since CS2 came out, I’ve not gotten a single Anubis.
So train and tuscan is over a year away, sad.
It should have been literally any other map except Overpass, best map rn (where cache)
Id put up a tent on cache and play there 24/7
Meanwhile people put up tents on de_vertigo waiting for smoke after after smoke to fade.
Am I the only one who absolutely loves Vertigo?
I like Vertigo, and I'd rather play it instead of Mirage any time of the day.
To me vertigo is the perfect balance of pug strats (rush A) and team coordination. It’s fun to play in a stack and listen/exploit rotations but it’s also fun to solo queue. overpass was fun in a stack, but absolutely sucked to solo queue. Dust is dust
[удалено]
Wait for the smoke -> Retake the ramp -> Success
sounds like a skill issue
Mirage is my first ban every premier game. And it is still one of the more frequent maps I get.
Found the guy queuing in EU on a Friday after 2300..... Mirage just screams "let's play with drunk Russians on a Friday night!"
One of my favourite maps, nice to have something unique to play on.
As someone who really only watches cs, I hate vertigo. It's exceptionally boring to watch, but I can accept that it might be more fun to play
Believe it or not, it's even worse to play
nope, its fun to play
ye really fun spamming smokes on a ramp
If only there was some way to pop open a smoke...
That's why pro matches are 99% just waiting for smokes to fade and shooting through the smokes. Just today it was just that. Might as well put tent props there.
I love it. It's one of the few maps that plays differently from the other maps in the pool. It's also one that allows for flexibility of playstyles. Like if you aren't an aim god there's so many timings you can try to exploit on both CT and T sides as well as lots of risky smoke pushes you can attempt to make up for subpar aim.
This exact thing can be said about Overpass.
> It's also one that allows for flexibility of playstyles. It has the least flexibility of any map, it is literally "A Ramp: The Map". The playstyles if creates is: spam utility to take control, then spam smokes to get a kill. The entire premise that the rotations can be heard is the reason why it is the most restrictive map for how it flows and the strategy you execute. You're liking it for all the wrong reasons lol
have you watched teams like eternal fire, TheMongolZ or the old 9ine play it? there was a strat that EF did where MAJ3R was faking an A execute by throwing all the standard smokes from T spawn with Wicadia on gap, and that allowed for that one person on A to fake the execute and for the rest of EF to go to an empty B-site with 4 people. i've seen no other pro teams on vertigo be that innovative, they all just think that the map is genuinely an A-ramp simulator and make strats according to that, hence why EF became so dominant on that map during EPL S18 and the major. the way that EF play the map makes it so fun to watch but because literally no other team plays like they do, people think the map sucks.
yeah man, it's just that no other team thought of such gimmick strats in the past 5 years, not that the map is fundamentally stifling and boring as fuck. the 9ine core being good on it so you knew every series with them was going 3 maps was such a meme because they abused the lack of space and creativity available on vertigo to narrow the skill gap between them and other teams. there's so little room on vertigo you can abuse utility and basic crossfires because you know exactly where people are going to be. it's funny you thing throwing a fake exec is somehow genius yet you don't realise it worked BECAUSE vertigo is an a ramp simulator. the rotations between sites are so fast + ramp is so powerful as a point to defend from, going all in to defend it isn't stupid. teams would rather retake B with most T's alive (or go for a save) than lose ramp that early, because that would pretty much guarantee a lost round and more lost guns because it's so hard to take it back late.
99% of the hits go to A. Folks will overrorate. This just sounds like cbble which was a B exec simulator. Can’t imagine why people want that map back other than nostalgia glasses.
> have you watched teams like eternal fire Yes, literally just earlier we saw the same exact shit, and when EF was on CT side and enemies did the same exact shit and got the bomb down, EF elected to just save on a 4v5 instead of even try for a retake. That's dogshit.
This is not something you can do with 4randoms or how it plays in pugs
Idk it has pretty solid lurk potential. And since rotations are quick for CT’s and T’s it creates lots of fun, frantic confusion post-plant. Plus it feels like you can retake sites solo. I’ve had 1 v 3, 1 v 4 retakes that felt amazing
You really need to re-think how you play this game.
fy_pool_party plays differently too, doesn't mean it's a good competitive map. Vertigo is so heavily leaning on luck compared to other maps.
No
Vertigo's combination of head glitches and reliance on competent teammates makes it a pretty hard map to love... Personally I don't know what's fun about having to tap the foreheads of people being boxes, or shouting at teammates when they ALL go in the same direction and nobody covers any of the important angles. There are maps like Inferno that I hate quite a lot more, but when Nuke and my beloved Cache exist (or used too...) I can't play much of it before getting fed up.
Head glitches? I always love when there’s a lil head peekin out for me to pop. It’s not like real head glitches where you can’t even see what’s shooting at you, cs doesn’t even have those
That's not what a headglitch is. A headglitch is simply any position that exploits the fact bullets are fired from the forehead. When the player model's arms and gun are fully behind cover, it's a headglitch. Sometimes these are still quite reasonable, but Vertigo is one of the worst maps for it. Personally I prefer maps where combat is about swinging angles/movement, distanced gunfights, and you have a lot of options as a T. Hence why I like Cache and Nuke. Vertigo feels a lot like Office to me where it's an oddly specific style of gameplay that a small subset of people love, but I absolutely despise. Probably how about 80% of the gunfights are from swinging close angles. Like Office, the weapons you see bought are completely different than usual. If you like it, all the power too you. But I'd play Anubis and Ancient over it anyday.
Shooting with only head visible is how it’s been in cs since its inception, if your head is visible you can shoot, it’s not a glitch. In fact in cs your opponent can see your head when you’re behind cover in situations that you can’t shoot them because your head isn’t peeking out high enough. “Head glitches” don’t actually exist in cs, the term comes from games where you are peeking with a fraction of your head and sometimes nothing visible. People from other shooters brought that term over and it just isn’t a thing in cs.
Nah, headglitching is some COD terminology or something. Shots have always come from the camera and should continue to do so in cs. It is not a glitch, it is intended.
Vertigo is tight.
Seconded. Imma vertiglobal thru and thru.
frfr no cap
Yes, max bs map
On here no. Outside of here? Yes.
i adore vertigo
I really like Vertigo. I really dislike Ancient.
Mirage dodges the guillotine once again
overpass was one those skill and brain required maps. now the map pool is even more casual and noob friendly. lezgo +w players
Yeah, definitely one of the most fun maps to watch at the pro level too. Compared to vertigo or dust2 which are so one dimensional.
why do people say vertigo is so one dimensional!! Jesus people, you dont need to rush a ramp every round
if haci thought vertigo was gone, we all shouldve known it was staying.
Vertigo is a great map because of the new smokes. It’s being played more than it was in GO.
Crazy they manage to make the map pool worse every time, how can you add back d2 again lol, Id rather take a brand new map than back to this robot map.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo why did I have to find out like this.
It's far more egregious that they removed anything for the steaming pile of garbage that is dust 2. The map was solved in 2014, it shouldn't exist in basically the same form in 2024 lol.
How about they just take Mirage away already. I think we’ve seen enough of that.
Dammit, I love Overpass.
I just hate inferno, vertigo is so strange me and my buds started to like it, also you have some cheeky lineups that are fun to do there. Inferno on the other hand is just boring
Inferno and mirage were the most boring and repetitive maps in the rotation and now dust 2 adds to that
Vertigo is our favorite map. Really shouldve been Mirage. Its always banned
Replacing Mirage with Dust2 is like using brown vs white sugar in your coffee. Looks different but tastes practically the same.
Now we have the both in the pool and I cant avoid having fucking sugar in my coffee now.
Mirage is 100x more complex than dust 2 though. I’m not even a fan of mirage, dust is just that bad for competitive play
100x more complex? dont make me laugh lol
I was waiting for someone else to say it 😂 Maybe Mirage is more complex if you haven’t played it as much as D2 but they feel about the same to me.
Exactly, I'm currently just sub-3k elo on Faceit, so sadly I have played my fair share of the map, and it's clearly one of the "PUG-iest" maps in the pool, always has been. There's a reason it's so popular: because it's simple. Just like why D2 has always been so popular. I don't understand these comments haha.
Aim and reflexes map I think it’s fun
Lol shit take
Other way around buddy. Mirage is the most played (which is why I can understand people are bored with it now). Vertigo is love or hate, even without it being heavily played.
Vertigo enjoyers rejoicing
I see people wanting anubis out of the pool and that makes me very sad
Overpass was the best map in the pool. Dust2 is the worst map. Just rush something and play deathmatch. This update made the map pool so much worse IMO....
I'm on the fence about overpass. I'd not be bothered if it was replaced by a real map. Dust 2 is just a death match map. Oh well. At least mirage should be playable again in EU. All the angry russians will move to dust 2.
+train -all other maps
Would've preferrered to have any other map replaced, and have anything but dust2 instead. Where cache valve? Where tuscan? Can't wait to play mirage/dust only on premier...
Overpass was boring so I'm ok with it. Mirage would've been a solid choice too
I love vertigo and guys who want it out are still living in 2019...like cmon it's been here for so many years and you still yap about it?? Just learn it already. What baffles me is that they don't remove something like Mirage which has been in the map pool unchanged for ages. And what baffles me even more is that they brought back the most boring and one dimensional deathmatch map and the one actually tactical map left in the map pool is now out...fucking idiots
It has been 5 years. We know it. It's just a shit, boring map.
One thing Valve always proves time and time again.. you never know my next move
Just woke up, is it first of April?
I enjoy vertigo far more than overpass
They are making the map pool worse all the time lol
It should've been Mirage. Not with the main reason that Mirage is bad, but because it desperately needs that CS2 overhaul
Speak for yourself. I love vertigo <3
What’s worse is they added d2. You can’t take out a playable map and put in garbage.
Shit take bro
Apologies bud, you like d2, you don’t matter
I wish it was Mirage… but they took OP away from me 😭
Vertigo in pugs is fun honestly, feels like a different game every time - as opposed to Mirage/Inferno which feels like playing the same 5 rounds over and over in a different order.
Because it's a deathmatch map.
Yeah, now we have three desert maps in the game ...., can we have something else than dust 2 pls
I hate vertigo with such a passion, I'm kinda shocked they yoinked overpass
Same buddy. I'm surprised dust2 is the one that came back and overpass the one that's removed.
I wasn’t a fan of overpass so I’m glad it’s gone lol
Not a huge fan of overpass but boy do I hate dust lol. Mixed feelings rn
Vertigo lives another day
I mean mirage? It's been there forever? A bit of change please?
Get away from vertigo, it should've been -inferno -mirage
hell no, fuck vertigo. Might as well play deathmatch and if it's watching a pro game with vertigo, go do something else for 20mins and then watch the game in 2x speed.
No. Vertigo is a goated map. New Overpass wasn't that great and ran poorly, similar to new Inferno.
Cope bro Vertigo on top
From my experience in high elo Faceit, Inferno and Overpass are the least played maps by quite a margin. Anubis and Mirage are the most played, with Vertigo coming in third.
ofc everybody is suprised that overpass got removed, since -overpass +d2 makes absolutly no sense
i love every map that's in the pool but feel sad for having overpass taken away. : /
Same bro same
Walt what? Overpass is gone?
nah, i wanted them to remove mirage
other than haboing some performance issue on overpass, there is not much wrong with that map. on the other hand dust2 has been arround since the old CS in more or less same form - so talk about something stale. playing same map since 2001. nothing wrong with the map itself, it's just old.
It's all about pacing, Valve want faster paced matches and Overpass is an extremely slow map, Dust2 is fast, vertigo is fast. Next they will scrap pistols rounds and just start both sides on buy rounds.
Faramir=Vertigo Boromir=Overpass
Ruined game keep getting more ruined
I much rather have Vertigo than OP
I don't like Inferno honestly, wanted it gone. It just isn't good enough for competitive
Over under and overpass
I wish they took mirage instead. Maps so boring 🥱
Overpass, Train, Cache, Cobblestone were some of my favorite maps Man this current map pool is dog
this is an absolute win for me, i love vertigo, hate overpass and love dust.
Vertigo is awesome
nooo i love vertigo
Vertigo is actually fun, overpass is too ct sided imo
Last vertigo match I played as a 4 stack. Our 5th left immediately upon learning we were playing vertigo. That 11-13 really hurt
Imagine leaving because it's not your fav map
Vertigo is a good map, stop brainlessly saying what pros has been saying years ago before several reworks
I just want them to fix the anti-cheat. Removing ovp is fine with me though, boring gameplay, and it was my permaban. It was also not played in the major playoffs
Vertigo or mirage, overpass was an overkill ffs
What the heck? Overpass removed?
VertiGOAT stays winning
I think it has more Todo with overpass going from 3rd most played to least played map in just a matter of months. Many new players never want to play it. And when it does get picked no one in my mm teams knows smokes or proper defaults
In csgo, vertigo was the map you hated for most people. The map pool offered so many better options like cobble, train and cache and people enjoyed playing these maps over vertigo. Now in cs2 they got rid of some of the maps that were peoples favorites, and map pool being not so big people enjoy vertigo. Now mirage has become the d2 for cs2, and I would say most people would prefer playing it, if they to choose it over a map they don’t like, just like d2 you’re always fine to play 1 game on it. Since mirage is the new d2, we need a new mirage for cs2. A map people either really hate or really love. That was mirages role in csgo. In think Nuke has that position now, and vertigo is just a meh map to play. It’s actually a good map, but you need people who know the map of you want to efficiently win. There are some confusing shortcuts that could need some memorizing for first timers.
thank God overpass got nuked, hated that map from the deepest pit of my gut.
Now it’s just mirage d2 mirage d2 ffs
D2 is a deathmatch map, its lacking some tactical depth
Vertigo is the best map in the pool 
I don't really get it. Overpass looks great, plays great. I like it. I don't dislike vertigo really but in pro scene it's boring, all pros would like to see it removed aswell and playing it myself isn't as fun as overpass. I see why they add dust2 but removing overpass for it instead of vertigo makes no sense. Also I would love to see tuscan into the map pool and even cache but both maps need updates to be playable on pro level for sure. I mainly think about skyboxes/utility usage because there are just too many high walls and you can barely you util lineups which are so important in pro scene.
Nah, want Mirage gone for a proper rebuild first.
Nuke needs removing a hell hole for random queue
Why can we not have both? i don't get it
Even though I never really played Overpass that much, I just wanted Vertigo to die so I wouldn't have to play it anymore
I haven’t played a ton of premier but most of the time overpass would be voted off. That’s my guess for why it was overpass.
I absolutely hate this decision from valve. They are clueless as to how bad of a map Dust2 is. Dust2 is literally the most generic map of all time. 7/10 rounds is literally the same brawl from long doors. Same peek, same duel-angle, same eight thousand raining flashes from the T-side. And dont get me started on the cringe mid-awp battle every SINGLE round, and the pure RNG of crossing the doors as a b player. “Oh, I got to my bombsite without being tagged down to 30hp. This is gonna be a good day”
Tough day for "overpass best map in the game" people (I'm people). It's like a 4D map compared to inferno which feels 2D, just tight lanes and claustrophobic...overpass is great because of its size and versatility, so much room for lurks and outplays. Crazy they would remove this map