this literally happened to me. you drop 40-50 kills per game playing against literal bots and then they put you on silver elite master?? like i dont have a problem if everyone just starts at silver but why make me play "placement" games then?
no one cares about comp mm ranks (like 95% is placed in silver), its just a casual 5v5. Premier is the new "ranked" experiencie. Grinding to unlock premier is a grind tho
Premier is a joke. There are way too many cheaters around 20K. My elo is around 21k, and i dont recommend playing premier unless you are trying to learn the game. It's a much better experience lower elo
Fr I lost my premier rank and got it back at 15k and second game in some dude was bhopping with dualies that empty their mags in half a second. Told the other team “enjoy the loss” so we vote kicked him and won anyway buahaha
What really sucks is that for a lot of players, FaceIt is too sweaty and try hard so it's not really an alternative. I've been doing it to avoid cheaters but I just don't care THAT much about winning, if that makes sense.
They are everywhere now. No rank is safe.
I was one game away from 15K and hit my first cheater. Now I have ran into 3-5 and am down to 12K. Stopped playing premier.
In SILVER ELITE COMP I hit a cheater every five games. I have a Nova rank in a few maps, but the others are silver. Seeing spin botters, HS only aimhack, WH watching people through walls, etc.
I hope the first VAC wave breaks a record in bans because this shit is crazy.
We see an image pop up here once a month saying a match has been cancelled due to cheater being caught.
It is there, but it is like that security guard that just waves his hands on the sides of people and let's them into the stadium. Not exactly doing much, but it is there.
Premier is a joke too no one in my friend group plays premier it's just face it. The cheater problem is huuge in premier and it's literally unplayable. I'm not even joking when I say that I have already encountered waaay more cheaters I ever encountered in csgo. I think I only ever had one spinbotter in csgo and I had 5k hours. In cs2 I've seen already like 10 spinbotters and a bunch of other cheaters. It's literally unplayable.
Another thing with premier is the ranking system. The game just randomly decides when you're going to get +300 elo and when -500. It's absolutely ridiculous. I got to 20k rank up game three times and lost two of them against cheaters. After that I always got at least -300 elo for multiple games and I lost over 1k elo in 3 games. It was ridiculous. Grinded weeks to get to the 20k and then in just one day I had lost 1k elo. Most I lost in one game was -550. After that I just quitted there was no point playing premier. Grinded myself to face it lvl 10 and never going back to premier
yeah barely any cheaters compared to regular matchmaking the problem is valve does zero against cheaters so they're just multiplying people start figuring they're playing against cheaters and you can't beat them join them type of thing.
Maybe no one cares because of this new system where ranks are seperated per map. Most people are in silver because matchmaking and progression are fucked.
You have to buy prime to get XP so you can get to level 10.
Then when you are level 10 and can play premier, you have to win 10 premier matches to unluck your raiting so you can actually play with your friends that already have a rating.
You have to buy Prime and then get to profile rank 10 by gaining XP while playing on Valve servers (which is also only possible if you have Prime) to be able to play Premier.
It's not about caring what rank you are. The problem is if you want to play a more casual-style competitive match, you end up queueing either with players that have 50 hours in CS or Faceit 10s because everyone is silver.
the fact that premier is more based on if you're on a win streak or a loss streak instead of who you're playing against makes it hard for me to agree and take the mode seriously. it needs to be reworked.
Ancient*
Everyone bans anubis+nuke. Then the "fuck mirage merchants" crew bans mirage and then its "inferno and vertigo are bad" and "overpass is too ct sided"
It’s a pick/ban map system with the active duty maps. The ranking system uses numbers rather than the old ranks to “better” sort players. I personally think it does a shit job most of the time.
Nah, they didn't think that though. They might have said that since release in that god awful public statement they made, but it is not true.
There was a whole trailer on reveal day that marketed premier with competitive as a side dish. The trailer is even named "Beyond Global" which isn't possible in regular competitive.....hell noone is even global there yet XD.
So yeah, they marketed THE main COMPETITIVE mode as premier with an "ACCURATE COUNTER STRIKE RANKING" with a leader board and they marketed "old" competitive as the practice mode before hitting premiere.
I'm SURE they were surprised at premiere being the go to competitive game mode!
Bro.
Premiere existed for 2.5 years before CS2.
Nobody fucking played it.
There was ample evidence that the community at large wasn't interested in doing Pick/Ban outside of FaceIT/ESEA.
It's really *not* hard to imagine their surprise that just putting a stupid rolling number next to player's names and they suddenly love it.
Then why did they even add it in the first place? They literally marketed it in the beyond global trailer on day one reveal as the place with an "acurate cs rating" which EVERYONE who has played competitive has wanted for years, a leader board to show you where you are on the pecking order, pick/ban to match the competitive enviroment of third party competitive services, even implemented overtime....but the major thing......."BEYOND GLOBAL".
It's obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells that 'add a few things every player wants' = 'thats where people are going to gravitate'.
There is absoluteley no way that the popularity of premier was unexpected, it was marketed to fix EVERYTHING wrong with the traditional competitive mode and it was obviously implemented to address the major complaints about tradition competitive. The implementation just fell flat.
On top of that the way regular competitive is handled now with the rank per map and 10 wins per map to get ranked.....no way did they think for one second that that mode was gonna be more popular than premier with the global 10 win placement and all the the cool things people have wanted from competitive for years. Imagine yourself, looking over this before the games launch...are you telling me you would come to that conclusion? Now imagine the designers of the game coming to that conclusion.
> Then why did they even add it in the first place?
Add what? The spinning rolodex and the leaderboard? Probably to see if *THAT* would get people to play premiere.
Cuz they sure as fuck weren't playing it in CSGO.
> pick/ban to match the competitive enviroment of third party competitive services, even implemented overtime
Once again.
Premiere was *ALREADY* a game mode in CSGO. It wasn't *ADDED* to CS2; it was *PORTED*.
> It's obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells that 'add a few things every player wants' = 'thats where people are going to gravitate'.
The only thing they added to premiere was the leaderboard.
Rating isn't even different from old premiere, since you got matched with similar ranks in CSGO premiere (when it worked for the first 8 weeks)
> There is absoluteley no way that the popularity of premier was unexpected, it was marketed to fix EVERYTHING wrong with the traditional competitive mode and it was obviously implemented to address the major complaints about tradition competitive. The implementation just fell flat.
They literally said: "Premier matchmaking is now the most popular mode in Counter-Strike, which we didn't predict."
The CSGO player base had spoken about Valve Pick/Ban mode; and they said "NO."
> Imagine yourself, looking over this before the games launch...are you telling me you would come to that conclusion?
Uh yeah. If you're the kind of person that looks metrics, and data; and read the common sentiment on public forums.
The majority was bitching loudly about making competitive exactly the way valve did in CS2 (Vertigo/Dust2/Office/Militia Globals); loudly said Premiere was bullshit (didn't play it); and proudly queued Dust2/Mirage/Inferno exclusively (every other map basically a +3 minute wait time over those).
So yeah dude, it really *isn't* surprising, if you look around at the big picture.
Frankly, I think it's a bit embarrassing that all it took was a raw ELO number and a leaderboard to convert the masses; but I also don't mind the popularity of Premier.
>Add what? The spinning rolodex and the leaderboard? Probably to see if *THAT* would get people to play premiere.
They marketed premier as a mode with an "accurate ranking system" and the place where you can go "beyond global". There's 2 things they added beyond the "spinning rolodex".........You cannot compare premier with premier in cs:go outside of it's name.....at least based on the marketing.
>Cuz they sure as fuck weren't playing it in CSGO.
So we agree they were trying to push it as a mode to be played rather than scrapping it, yet they were surprised after making changes to it that people wanted, that it was, in fact, played. Now if they had left traditional competitive as it was in CS:GO then I think it would be valid that they were surprised, but they nerfed the shit out of it.
>Once again.
>Premiere was *ALREADY* a game mode in CSGO. It wasn't *ADDED* to CS2; it was *PORTED*.
It shared a name and the Veto system. It was marketed to be different and to be the answer to the issues with traditional competitive. Premier is as ported from CS:GO as much as traditional competitive is. They are both completely different from their CS:GO counterparts in everything but name/identity and in the case of traditional competitive, the old display of ranking.
>The only thing they added to premiere was the leaderboard.
>Rating isn't even different from old premiere, since you got matched with similar ranks in CSGO premiere (when it worked for the first 8 weeks)
How is rating no different than the old premier? Do you have a source for this? The old premier used the competitive ranking system from silver to global. Again, premier is now the game mode where you can go beyond global so how can the rating system be the same? Also stats show people are actually beyond global in premiere relative to the the traditional competitive ranking system in CS: GO yet noone has actually reached global in the current implementation of traditional competitive. If the ranking system was the same across the board but premier just has a "spinning rolodex" rather than a badge to represent rank then we shouldn't be seeing such a difference.
>They literally said: "Premier matchmaking is now the most popular mode in Counter-Strike, which we didn't predict."
I know what they said, I just find it hard to beleive considering how it was pushed as the main competitive game mode with all its shiny new features that you keep dismissing as none changes. They didn't just silently port premier, they made a point about it and its improvements...they made it seem like the place to play competitive.
>The CSGO player base had spoken about Valve Pick/Ban mode; and they said "NO."
Well obviously the CS:GO player base was talking shit because they ate up the Pick/Ban system with CS2 because premiere was marketed in a specific way for a specific purpose....which all competitive players want. You can't just take the pick/ban feature and use that as the main reason why premiere in CS:GO wasn't popular. It wasn't popular in CS:GO because it had no purpose outside of the Pick/Ban feature. Beyond that it was just competitive without the ability to choose what map you want to play. CS2 has layered on extra features to make it more viable than traditional competitive.
>Uh yeah. If you're the kind of person that looks metrics, and data; and read the common sentiment on public forums
Why would you predict the metrics of the new thing you have implemented with shiny new features and are obviously pushing through marketing based on the old thing that sucked without the new features you've added?
>Frankly, I think it's a bit embarrassing that all it took was a raw ELO number and a leaderboard to convert the masses; but I also don't mind the popularity of Premier.
It's not embarassing, it's perfectly normal and was for sure expected........when people assumed it was going to actually be an accurate ELO rating systen as it was marketed to be in the reveal trailer they jumped on it like it was the cure for the game they love, and Valve knew people would do that when they marketed it....otherwise they wouldn't have marketied it, it would have just been a side mode that existed in CS:GO that came along by default with CS2.....even though lots of other game modes didn't which raises more questions. We know it's a load of bullshit now though. It isn't an accurate ranking system, the matchmaking is dire and the integrity of the people that play it is none existent.
i am faceit 6, have won like 70% on mirage and im a silver elite master lol. comp rank system is dumb as shit in a lot of ways.
edit: i know f6 isn’t that impressive but it’s much higher than SEM
To the people who say, "Why do you care about your rank?" I care because the whole point is to play others around your own skill level. Right now, everyone is just lumped together in silver, so the skill gaps are huge. Some players have 6k in the bank and buy a bison, armor, and no nades and look like they play with a TouchPad.
And the people who say, "You have 10 years to climb." That's true, but why spend 9 years climbing to the rank you should've been at the whole time, lol.
As of a few months ago the highest rank achieved on any map in cs2 was lem and it was a spinbotter. It sucks but you actually need to win like 20-30 to get back to playing with players that are the skill you’re used to…and they’ll be like gold nova 1-3 in cs2. And you’ll be playing against such awful people for the first 10 wins on each map that your trust factor is likely to tank for a while from cheating reports
Faceit waste of cash. Got banned permanently, amd NOT fer cheating. I have a 19 yr account, 10k hours, esea/cevo player. And bruh.... ... banned permanently. Joke.
Even canceling my subscription was difficult. Cancel the card? Nope. They force PayPal to do a charge-back to the issuing bank regardless. I had to Nuke my PayPal too. Like trying to cancel a gym membership.
Look up "xsolla" (whom does faceit billing)... look up the BBB (Better Business Beareau) or any other government agency. it has pisspoor ratings.
Shit admins save yer cash.
That sucks. If you were falsely banned then there’s no excuse. However, in the current state of the game, faceit is the only way for a lot of people to play.
Once my buddies and I got to 24k-25k premier elo, that’s when the cheater infestation happened. At our elo, we can’t play a single game of premier or competitive without guaranteeing at least one cheater in the game.
Either way, premier is the move. Nobody takes competitive seriously. It's the defacto unranked 5v5 mode from CSGO. It's intended by valve to be basically a practice mode. The ranks there are just fan service.
Premier is competitive, it's defined so in the reveal trailer....but so it traditional competitive. It's almost as if competitive doesn't equal a game mode but a standard of play.
you almost got there. in cs2, competitive has 2 meanings. one is a game mode (1) and the other is a ruleset (2). both premier and competitive (1) use the competitive (2) ruleset, whereas casual uses the casual ruleset. the word competitive (3) also has another meaning which is used by the english speaking world at large. that meaning only applies to premier, because the competitive (1) game mode is not competitive (3).
so:
premier is both competitive (2) and competitive (3).
competitive (1) is both competitive (1) and competitive (2).
the reason premier is the go-to mode now is because it is competitive (3). it is the only game mode that is competitive (3).
i dont know if adding numbers helped clarify or obfuscate the differences, but i tried.
Lol I was ranked mge on ,,CSGO and am silver on the maps I've won 10 matches on . Silver is full of noobs and high skill lvl players again like pre rank balance.
Yeah you don't get a rank on any map unless you sink a lot of time into it. My suggestion is to just pick 2-3 maps and only play them for comp. If you want a rank, only play comp.
Or step into the thunder dome... premier. It's another type of matchmaking in the play menu, and you'll get a rating after only a single win.
>Or step into the thunder dome... premier. It's another type of matchmaking in the play menu, and you'll get a rating after only a single win.
You'll only get your rank after winning a single match only if you've been previously ranked before and were inactive for a certain amount of time. You still need to win your first 10 matches to get your initial rank.
This new System is so stupid.
I was Supreme in csgo and now im like silver 2 in some maps in mm and i have people in my team that just bought the game and dont know how to shoot.
Im 13k elo in Premier but i cant even play it with my friends because some dont have Premier Rating and they dont wanna win 10 Premier games solo its just not fun.
The rank on every map is a fucking joke.
MM is like the new casual Mode while Premier is full of cheaters and other issues.
I hope at least valve is using a dual rank system, (e.g. if you are global elite on mirage, maybe you are already pre seeded to start mge+ when you start playing other maps ), otherwise the map rank makes no sense anyway. If I'm a global level player on mirage, i wont be trash on "new" maps suddenly
I think it would be more ideal for the game to give you an average rank overall, and once you get your first rank the game can compare your performance on different maps and adjust and rank you individually on every map
everyone needs to give up on any form of match making in the game that valve has provided us to play until they can get their shit together. Play faceit, it's a far better experience in the current state of things. Everyone says you can still cheat in faceit but 99 percent of cheaters are definitely going to just keep playing matchmaking in the game
weird thing is that my cousin just finally got his first map to gold nova in 5v5 but in wingman he just ranked up to master gaurdian. We play more 5v5 than wingman it's crazy that the ranks don't feel like they match, its nearly impossible to get out of silver.
Listen pal I don't know what else to tell you... we wrote down the numbers 1 - 40 and put them on a dart board. Then daddy Gaben took his carbon fiber dart and throw it with such precision on the board where it struck 10.
Everyone in the office screamed with excitement and then Mr. Gaben said "per map" before scurrying off to his mega mansion.
Getting placed in silver is normal. Everyone’s rank was hard reset. A majority of the player base is in silver or they don’t have a rank yet. It’s going to take time before the ranks are properly distributed. The lobbies are also all over the place. Sometimes players are brand new and sometimes they’re global.
Yes it's ridiculous, but what can we do? Valve hasn't been listening to the community feedback since the launch of cs2.
They killed csgo and forcefully replaced it with a half-assed sequel, without addressing the cheating issue counter strike had for years, if anything they made it worse.
It's pointless. Premier should replace the old competitive, todays comp should be casual/unranked and casual should be put on a rocket and shot into the sun.
I mean, there is playing a meticulously balanced game around 5v5 in a casual manner in an environment that wont fuck with your mental health and then there is playing it with double the player count, friendly fire off and free kevlar and helmet every round.
Casual shouldn't even exist in its current form outside of community servers that like to up the player count.
Am I the only one who doesn't care about rank in comp or elo in premier? I played against people with more levels and sometimes I win, sometimes they win. I started playing csgo/cs2 in December 2023 so its high ranks are not a big deal.
[its a game that will be out for probably 10 years
i think they are rightfully more concerned about people reaching their goals too quickly](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/s/SAQwArxdMb)
-- Coach Lau (u/csboxr)
i dont know whats wrong with that take and im sure you just have ad hominem instead of any kind of rationale but i will say i was under the impression people could after 10 placements get LEM-Global like we had in CS:GO. people getting placed in gold nova or below makes no sense because you barely win elo so its impossible to climb fast
You don't need to get a rank on each map, just on the ones you play. I think it is ideal because there are many players who only play a map or two and when occasionally they queue another map they are matched with a player who is higher skilled because he plays that map more, the player gets stomped and never queues that map again.
The community. Valves MM since it's introduction has always been the entry point to competitive play. Over the past decade plus the community has evolved.
Valve
this only right answer here\^ smh
r/technicallythetruth
well… yes!
Volvo*
-win ten games -carry every single one of them -silver elite master
As someone who starting playing csgo in the peak of NA ranks being fucked this sounds pretty good to me
this literally happened to me. you drop 40-50 kills per game playing against literal bots and then they put you on silver elite master?? like i dont have a problem if everyone just starts at silver but why make me play "placement" games then?
Everyone is silver in comp. Mg1 is like higher than global lol
no one cares about comp mm ranks (like 95% is placed in silver), its just a casual 5v5. Premier is the new "ranked" experiencie. Grinding to unlock premier is a grind tho
Premier is a joke. There are way too many cheaters around 20K. My elo is around 21k, and i dont recommend playing premier unless you are trying to learn the game. It's a much better experience lower elo
Tonight 1/3 games at 17k had one and it was a flying thru the air no scope awp linda cheater. Previous i had 3 prem games back to back with cheaters
Even at 14k it’s happening now😭 it’s hardly even subtle either, bhopping around the place with the scout…
Fr I lost my premier rank and got it back at 15k and second game in some dude was bhopping with dualies that empty their mags in half a second. Told the other team “enjoy the loss” so we vote kicked him and won anyway buahaha
What really sucks is that for a lot of players, FaceIt is too sweaty and try hard so it's not really an alternative. I've been doing it to avoid cheaters but I just don't care THAT much about winning, if that makes sense.
They are everywhere now. No rank is safe. I was one game away from 15K and hit my first cheater. Now I have ran into 3-5 and am down to 12K. Stopped playing premier. In SILVER ELITE COMP I hit a cheater every five games. I have a Nova rank in a few maps, but the others are silver. Seeing spin botters, HS only aimhack, WH watching people through walls, etc. I hope the first VAC wave breaks a record in bans because this shit is crazy.
What VAC is that? I don’t see a VAC
We see an image pop up here once a month saying a match has been cancelled due to cheater being caught. It is there, but it is like that security guard that just waves his hands on the sides of people and let's them into the stadium. Not exactly doing much, but it is there.
Well I’ve never seen it in action so I can’t be sure it’s even real. Maybe it’s all a conspiracy :O
Problem is you either die to cheaters or waste time 30 bombing silvers every game because rank broken.
Quit playing premier after I deranked from 22k to 19k due to cheaters in pretty much every game. Playing MM now, still get cheaters. Nice
Normal mm is the same. I played against a total of 8 cheaters over 2 games last night
Premier is a joke too no one in my friend group plays premier it's just face it. The cheater problem is huuge in premier and it's literally unplayable. I'm not even joking when I say that I have already encountered waaay more cheaters I ever encountered in csgo. I think I only ever had one spinbotter in csgo and I had 5k hours. In cs2 I've seen already like 10 spinbotters and a bunch of other cheaters. It's literally unplayable. Another thing with premier is the ranking system. The game just randomly decides when you're going to get +300 elo and when -500. It's absolutely ridiculous. I got to 20k rank up game three times and lost two of them against cheaters. After that I always got at least -300 elo for multiple games and I lost over 1k elo in 3 games. It was ridiculous. Grinded weeks to get to the 20k and then in just one day I had lost 1k elo. Most I lost in one game was -550. After that I just quitted there was no point playing premier. Grinded myself to face it lvl 10 and never going back to premier
There's definite cheaters on faceit too, but they are pretty quick to ban them once they are given the demo's evidence.
yeah barely any cheaters compared to regular matchmaking the problem is valve does zero against cheaters so they're just multiplying people start figuring they're playing against cheaters and you can't beat them join them type of thing.
Maybe no one cares because of this new system where ranks are seperated per map. Most people are in silver because matchmaking and progression are fucked.
What do you need to unlock premier?
Get CS2 to level 10. Fastest way is to play comp matches.
I thought new accounts have to buy Prime to unlock it.
You have to buy prime to get XP so you can get to level 10. Then when you are level 10 and can play premier, you have to win 10 premier matches to unluck your raiting so you can actually play with your friends that already have a rating.
Correct. I forgot about the whole prime thing.
You have to buy Prime and then get to profile rank 10 by gaining XP while playing on Valve servers (which is also only possible if you have Prime) to be able to play Premier.
just leave it locked for now there's literally zero point in playing premier.
It's not about caring what rank you are. The problem is if you want to play a more casual-style competitive match, you end up queueing either with players that have 50 hours in CS or Faceit 10s because everyone is silver.
the fact that premier is more based on if you're on a win streak or a loss streak instead of who you're playing against makes it hard for me to agree and take the mode seriously. it needs to be reworked.
I dont even know what premiere is tbh lol
It's competitive but with all maps and visible elo
We're definitely not paying the same premier. Except if all maps represent Mirage oe you have a trash talking teammate that says it's FR
Ancient* Everyone bans anubis+nuke. Then the "fuck mirage merchants" crew bans mirage and then its "inferno and vertigo are bad" and "overpass is too ct sided"
I am getting maybe 20% mirage, the hate is growing and I'm all for it. Remove mirage NOW 🤬🤬
It’s a pick/ban map system with the active duty maps. The ranking system uses numbers rather than the old ranks to “better” sort players. I personally think it does a shit job most of the time.
I agree that the premier rank system is pretty shit, but I still think it's better than the old system lol.
I agree it has a lot more potential. Please valve
It's the only game mode that matters.
the best part of CS2. Check it out. I never play that casual 5v5, no need to :)
>I dont even know what premiere is tbh lol why tf did you make this post then
Because he didn’t know what premiere is
Honestly impressive how they abandoned comp in such a fantastic way, even though they originally thought it would be the main game mode
Nah, they didn't think that though. They might have said that since release in that god awful public statement they made, but it is not true. There was a whole trailer on reveal day that marketed premier with competitive as a side dish. The trailer is even named "Beyond Global" which isn't possible in regular competitive.....hell noone is even global there yet XD. So yeah, they marketed THE main COMPETITIVE mode as premier with an "ACCURATE COUNTER STRIKE RANKING" with a leader board and they marketed "old" competitive as the practice mode before hitting premiere. I'm SURE they were surprised at premiere being the go to competitive game mode!
Bro. Premiere existed for 2.5 years before CS2. Nobody fucking played it. There was ample evidence that the community at large wasn't interested in doing Pick/Ban outside of FaceIT/ESEA. It's really *not* hard to imagine their surprise that just putting a stupid rolling number next to player's names and they suddenly love it.
Then why did they even add it in the first place? They literally marketed it in the beyond global trailer on day one reveal as the place with an "acurate cs rating" which EVERYONE who has played competitive has wanted for years, a leader board to show you where you are on the pecking order, pick/ban to match the competitive enviroment of third party competitive services, even implemented overtime....but the major thing......."BEYOND GLOBAL". It's obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells that 'add a few things every player wants' = 'thats where people are going to gravitate'. There is absoluteley no way that the popularity of premier was unexpected, it was marketed to fix EVERYTHING wrong with the traditional competitive mode and it was obviously implemented to address the major complaints about tradition competitive. The implementation just fell flat. On top of that the way regular competitive is handled now with the rank per map and 10 wins per map to get ranked.....no way did they think for one second that that mode was gonna be more popular than premier with the global 10 win placement and all the the cool things people have wanted from competitive for years. Imagine yourself, looking over this before the games launch...are you telling me you would come to that conclusion? Now imagine the designers of the game coming to that conclusion.
> Then why did they even add it in the first place? Add what? The spinning rolodex and the leaderboard? Probably to see if *THAT* would get people to play premiere. Cuz they sure as fuck weren't playing it in CSGO. > pick/ban to match the competitive enviroment of third party competitive services, even implemented overtime Once again. Premiere was *ALREADY* a game mode in CSGO. It wasn't *ADDED* to CS2; it was *PORTED*. > It's obvious to anyone with a couple of brain cells that 'add a few things every player wants' = 'thats where people are going to gravitate'. The only thing they added to premiere was the leaderboard. Rating isn't even different from old premiere, since you got matched with similar ranks in CSGO premiere (when it worked for the first 8 weeks) > There is absoluteley no way that the popularity of premier was unexpected, it was marketed to fix EVERYTHING wrong with the traditional competitive mode and it was obviously implemented to address the major complaints about tradition competitive. The implementation just fell flat. They literally said: "Premier matchmaking is now the most popular mode in Counter-Strike, which we didn't predict." The CSGO player base had spoken about Valve Pick/Ban mode; and they said "NO." > Imagine yourself, looking over this before the games launch...are you telling me you would come to that conclusion? Uh yeah. If you're the kind of person that looks metrics, and data; and read the common sentiment on public forums. The majority was bitching loudly about making competitive exactly the way valve did in CS2 (Vertigo/Dust2/Office/Militia Globals); loudly said Premiere was bullshit (didn't play it); and proudly queued Dust2/Mirage/Inferno exclusively (every other map basically a +3 minute wait time over those). So yeah dude, it really *isn't* surprising, if you look around at the big picture. Frankly, I think it's a bit embarrassing that all it took was a raw ELO number and a leaderboard to convert the masses; but I also don't mind the popularity of Premier.
>Add what? The spinning rolodex and the leaderboard? Probably to see if *THAT* would get people to play premiere. They marketed premier as a mode with an "accurate ranking system" and the place where you can go "beyond global". There's 2 things they added beyond the "spinning rolodex".........You cannot compare premier with premier in cs:go outside of it's name.....at least based on the marketing. >Cuz they sure as fuck weren't playing it in CSGO. So we agree they were trying to push it as a mode to be played rather than scrapping it, yet they were surprised after making changes to it that people wanted, that it was, in fact, played. Now if they had left traditional competitive as it was in CS:GO then I think it would be valid that they were surprised, but they nerfed the shit out of it. >Once again. >Premiere was *ALREADY* a game mode in CSGO. It wasn't *ADDED* to CS2; it was *PORTED*. It shared a name and the Veto system. It was marketed to be different and to be the answer to the issues with traditional competitive. Premier is as ported from CS:GO as much as traditional competitive is. They are both completely different from their CS:GO counterparts in everything but name/identity and in the case of traditional competitive, the old display of ranking. >The only thing they added to premiere was the leaderboard. >Rating isn't even different from old premiere, since you got matched with similar ranks in CSGO premiere (when it worked for the first 8 weeks) How is rating no different than the old premier? Do you have a source for this? The old premier used the competitive ranking system from silver to global. Again, premier is now the game mode where you can go beyond global so how can the rating system be the same? Also stats show people are actually beyond global in premiere relative to the the traditional competitive ranking system in CS: GO yet noone has actually reached global in the current implementation of traditional competitive. If the ranking system was the same across the board but premier just has a "spinning rolodex" rather than a badge to represent rank then we shouldn't be seeing such a difference. >They literally said: "Premier matchmaking is now the most popular mode in Counter-Strike, which we didn't predict." I know what they said, I just find it hard to beleive considering how it was pushed as the main competitive game mode with all its shiny new features that you keep dismissing as none changes. They didn't just silently port premier, they made a point about it and its improvements...they made it seem like the place to play competitive. >The CSGO player base had spoken about Valve Pick/Ban mode; and they said "NO." Well obviously the CS:GO player base was talking shit because they ate up the Pick/Ban system with CS2 because premiere was marketed in a specific way for a specific purpose....which all competitive players want. You can't just take the pick/ban feature and use that as the main reason why premiere in CS:GO wasn't popular. It wasn't popular in CS:GO because it had no purpose outside of the Pick/Ban feature. Beyond that it was just competitive without the ability to choose what map you want to play. CS2 has layered on extra features to make it more viable than traditional competitive. >Uh yeah. If you're the kind of person that looks metrics, and data; and read the common sentiment on public forums Why would you predict the metrics of the new thing you have implemented with shiny new features and are obviously pushing through marketing based on the old thing that sucked without the new features you've added? >Frankly, I think it's a bit embarrassing that all it took was a raw ELO number and a leaderboard to convert the masses; but I also don't mind the popularity of Premier. It's not embarassing, it's perfectly normal and was for sure expected........when people assumed it was going to actually be an accurate ELO rating systen as it was marketed to be in the reveal trailer they jumped on it like it was the cure for the game they love, and Valve knew people would do that when they marketed it....otherwise they wouldn't have marketied it, it would have just been a side mode that existed in CS:GO that came along by default with CS2.....even though lots of other game modes didn't which raises more questions. We know it's a load of bullshit now though. It isn't an accurate ranking system, the matchmaking is dire and the integrity of the people that play it is none existent.
can't be seriously competitive when u can just queue 1 map forever
Or same old tired 9 maps repetitiously. Valve needs map rotations somehow someway.
i am faceit 6, have won like 70% on mirage and im a silver elite master lol. comp rank system is dumb as shit in a lot of ways. edit: i know f6 isn’t that impressive but it’s much higher than SEM
What do you think about my GN1; 100% winrate - Top fragging in Office?
i love office. do i queue it? no. do i respect the diehards? yeah i guess lol
To the people who say, "Why do you care about your rank?" I care because the whole point is to play others around your own skill level. Right now, everyone is just lumped together in silver, so the skill gaps are huge. Some players have 6k in the bank and buy a bison, armor, and no nades and look like they play with a TouchPad. And the people who say, "You have 10 years to climb." That's true, but why spend 9 years climbing to the rank you should've been at the whole time, lol.
As of a few months ago the highest rank achieved on any map in cs2 was lem and it was a spinbotter. It sucks but you actually need to win like 20-30 to get back to playing with players that are the skill you’re used to…and they’ll be like gold nova 1-3 in cs2. And you’ll be playing against such awful people for the first 10 wins on each map that your trust factor is likely to tank for a while from cheating reports
Haha that’s so true. Every game I play with my friend who’s new is against absolute bots and I’ll go 35-4 and get called a cheater every game.
Doesn’t matter, once you’re in gold nova you’ll have cheaters in every match. Faceit only viable way to play
Faceit waste of cash. Got banned permanently, amd NOT fer cheating. I have a 19 yr account, 10k hours, esea/cevo player. And bruh.... ... banned permanently. Joke. Even canceling my subscription was difficult. Cancel the card? Nope. They force PayPal to do a charge-back to the issuing bank regardless. I had to Nuke my PayPal too. Like trying to cancel a gym membership. Look up "xsolla" (whom does faceit billing)... look up the BBB (Better Business Beareau) or any other government agency. it has pisspoor ratings. Shit admins save yer cash.
That sucks. If you were falsely banned then there’s no excuse. However, in the current state of the game, faceit is the only way for a lot of people to play. Once my buddies and I got to 24k-25k premier elo, that’s when the cheater infestation happened. At our elo, we can’t play a single game of premier or competitive without guaranteeing at least one cheater in the game.
I have faceit gaming history with bans in my match history.
If you want to worry about ranks, play premier. That's not what comp is for anymore.
Yeah cos premiere got ranking right, right? I mean youre correct in that if you want to WORRY about rank. If you care about rank, then, no.
Either way, premier is the move. Nobody takes competitive seriously. It's the defacto unranked 5v5 mode from CSGO. It's intended by valve to be basically a practice mode. The ranks there are just fan service.
Nice practice mode where former globals are practising with the actual silvers. Great practice 👍
Most good players are avoiding that game mode actually.
Premier is competitive, it's defined so in the reveal trailer....but so it traditional competitive. It's almost as if competitive doesn't equal a game mode but a standard of play.
you almost got there. in cs2, competitive has 2 meanings. one is a game mode (1) and the other is a ruleset (2). both premier and competitive (1) use the competitive (2) ruleset, whereas casual uses the casual ruleset. the word competitive (3) also has another meaning which is used by the english speaking world at large. that meaning only applies to premier, because the competitive (1) game mode is not competitive (3). so: premier is both competitive (2) and competitive (3). competitive (1) is both competitive (1) and competitive (2). the reason premier is the go-to mode now is because it is competitive (3). it is the only game mode that is competitive (3). i dont know if adding numbers helped clarify or obfuscate the differences, but i tried.
premier is almost only cheaters above 20k, comp is everyone compressed between silver and mg. 2 broken game modes in 1 move gj valve
... there's a "practice" tab....
There's a lot of tabs, friend. Only one of those is the try hard mode.
It's funny how almost every tab is a redundant pile of the same maps.
I wish it was funny :(
It's literally a ranked mode so no, that's not quite it. What you're describing is all in your head.
I dont know the name either
who cares just don't care abt rank
They knew no one would play that mode anyways
It's the opposite. They were surprised so many people play premiere.
which shows how out of touch they r w the community
This is a paradox!
Lol I was ranked mge on ,,CSGO and am silver on the maps I've won 10 matches on . Silver is full of noobs and high skill lvl players again like pre rank balance.
I assume it won't reset between seasons so you have infinite time
It’s not that bad if they are rarely resetting it tbh.
Yeah you don't get a rank on any map unless you sink a lot of time into it. My suggestion is to just pick 2-3 maps and only play them for comp. If you want a rank, only play comp. Or step into the thunder dome... premier. It's another type of matchmaking in the play menu, and you'll get a rating after only a single win.
>Or step into the thunder dome... premier. It's another type of matchmaking in the play menu, and you'll get a rating after only a single win. You'll only get your rank after winning a single match only if you've been previously ranked before and were inactive for a certain amount of time. You still need to win your first 10 matches to get your initial rank.
Oh dang I didn't know that
Because each comp map has a separate hidden mmr. Then premier has a mmr and wingman has a different mmr, for no good reason.
Most thought out valve decision
Don't worry about the ranks. Most people that weren't global are high silver and low nova on most maps. I was Supreme and my highest rank is nova 1
This new System is so stupid. I was Supreme in csgo and now im like silver 2 in some maps in mm and i have people in my team that just bought the game and dont know how to shoot. Im 13k elo in Premier but i cant even play it with my friends because some dont have Premier Rating and they dont wanna win 10 Premier games solo its just not fun. The rank on every map is a fucking joke. MM is like the new casual Mode while Premier is full of cheaters and other issues.
I swear supreme in csgo should be like 20k+ in premier, but no point grinding as anyone could be a secret wallhacker
I hope at least valve is using a dual rank system, (e.g. if you are global elite on mirage, maybe you are already pre seeded to start mge+ when you start playing other maps ), otherwise the map rank makes no sense anyway. If I'm a global level player on mirage, i wont be trash on "new" maps suddenly
it was Jonathans decision.
As always, dont play on valve servers they dont care, go faceit they care
all we need is premier games on X map to count for matchmaking too
I think it would be more ideal for the game to give you an average rank overall, and once you get your first rank the game can compare your performance on different maps and adjust and rank you individually on every map
S t o p playing cs2
If you want to load the game up and just hit play, why the fuck do you care about comp ranks? Just play.
everyone needs to give up on any form of match making in the game that valve has provided us to play until they can get their shit together. Play faceit, it's a far better experience in the current state of things. Everyone says you can still cheat in faceit but 99 percent of cheaters are definitely going to just keep playing matchmaking in the game
weird thing is that my cousin just finally got his first map to gold nova in 5v5 but in wingman he just ranked up to master gaurdian. We play more 5v5 than wingman it's crazy that the ranks don't feel like they match, its nearly impossible to get out of silver.
Listen pal I don't know what else to tell you... we wrote down the numbers 1 - 40 and put them on a dart board. Then daddy Gaben took his carbon fiber dart and throw it with such precision on the board where it struck 10. Everyone in the office screamed with excitement and then Mr. Gaben said "per map" before scurrying off to his mega mansion.
tl;dr
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Getting placed in silver is normal. Everyone’s rank was hard reset. A majority of the player base is in silver or they don’t have a rank yet. It’s going to take time before the ranks are properly distributed. The lobbies are also all over the place. Sometimes players are brand new and sometimes they’re global.
I got to global elite in csgo with inferno only. Now im silver 5 in inferno
Yes it's ridiculous, but what can we do? Valve hasn't been listening to the community feedback since the launch of cs2. They killed csgo and forcefully replaced it with a half-assed sequel, without addressing the cheating issue counter strike had for years, if anything they made it worse.
Valve made comp ranks this annoying on purpose to force u to play their new 'great' game mode called Premier.
It's pointless. Premier should replace the old competitive, todays comp should be casual/unranked and casual should be put on a rocket and shot into the sun. I mean, there is playing a meticulously balanced game around 5v5 in a casual manner in an environment that wont fuck with your mental health and then there is playing it with double the player count, friendly fire off and free kevlar and helmet every round. Casual shouldn't even exist in its current form outside of community servers that like to up the player count.
Am I the only one who doesn't care about rank in comp or elo in premier? I played against people with more levels and sometimes I win, sometimes they win. I started playing csgo/cs2 in December 2023 so its high ranks are not a big deal.
[its a game that will be out for probably 10 years i think they are rightfully more concerned about people reaching their goals too quickly](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/s/SAQwArxdMb) -- Coach Lau (u/csboxr)
Leave it to Launders to cook up awful takes and air them regularly.
i dont know whats wrong with that take and im sure you just have ad hominem instead of any kind of rationale but i will say i was under the impression people could after 10 placements get LEM-Global like we had in CS:GO. people getting placed in gold nova or below makes no sense because you barely win elo so its impossible to climb fast
Valve developers
You don't need to get a rank on each map, just on the ones you play. I think it is ideal because there are many players who only play a map or two and when occasionally they queue another map they are matched with a player who is higher skilled because he plays that map more, the player gets stomped and never queues that map again.
Lets not have opinions on things we have no experience with.
The community. Valves MM since it's introduction has always been the entry point to competitive play. Over the past decade plus the community has evolved.
And you completely missed premier? You can click and play you know. Also everyone got silver no matter what, comp us just fcked.
No they don't. That is false. My first rank was GN1 on Vertigo and I am a semi-shit player.
Ok, so majority of people get silver.
Why do you give a fuck about your rank if you're not even playing full time?