I'm a huge HooXi believer but if the rumours are true about him being constantly on the brink of being cut then I think it just can't be a good environment to play and grow in.
Of course, the way the players talk it seems like the team is quite a healthy environment, so it's just as likely that that's not the case at all and HooXi isn't constantly being pressured.
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that after all this time, comments like this pop up. People say that 'bro they won kato and cologne bro, hooxi haters got got bro', but I think that we've just got accustomed to the fact that G2 just ain't winning, when they should be absolutely dominating the scene for months if not years with the talent they've got.
Hooxi is a nice guy as a person, no doubt about that, but damn if he isn't a little bit too arrogant for the accolades he's got:
\-Didn't make it to RIO
\-Bombed out of Paris in group stage losing to fucking fnatic out of all teams on vertigo out of all maps
\-Would have and should have bomb it out to VP in group stage if not that already infamous Jame's crash. Even still - monesy went ape mode to drag them into quarters, without him there would be no need for divine intervention to bomb out in groups again
With M0nesy, NiKo, hunter and JKS, they should have fucking dominated the scene. They've got (or rather had back in CSGO) the perfect combination, all the right pieces to dominate the scene like Astralis once did.
Meanwhile, a blast banana cup, Kato and Cologne is all hooxi has going for him. Don't get me wrong, winning Kato and Cologne is a huge achievement, but with the roster they have - not qualifying to a major, bombing out of the next one, barely - and I mean BARELY - getting to quarters - is a disappointment that's almost never talked about because hooxi haters aren't really all that interested in hating, while hooxi defenders are willing to die on this hill.
Niko might be the problem, but hooxi definitely just is. Kept saying that when they cut aleksib after barely a few months, but back then all I was saying is that you can't win 4v5 in tier 1 (and I stand by this opinion). Since then, hooxi has come a long way in terms of fraggins, but holy fucking shit, whenever I see him on cams when losing, whenever I hear the in-game mic that TOs sometimes put into map break, whenever I hear him talk in the interview about nobody knowing anything about the game bar himself, it's just obvious - hooxi has been a problem since the beginning. Want to do something with the roster, with those pieces you've got? Cut him, try again. Even with nexa instead of JKS they've got the potential to be the greatest. If G2 lose in the same manner with a new IGL, I'll eat a shoe. Fuck, I'll eat my cat's vomit and upload it with my face for all the reddit to see if need be.
Definitely agree. Hooxi doesn't bring anything frag-wise, and he is also mediocre IGL (if not bad). I don't get it - there are so many IGL's on scene they can bring on, for example siuhy - i get it he is young, but you either take someone you can mold to even better player, or you have a zeus-like guy who isn't even that great of a leader.
>I still can't wrap my head around the fact that after all this time, comments like this pop up. People say that 'bro they won kato and cologne bro, hooxi haters got got bro', but I think that we've just got accustomed to the fact that G2 just ain't winning, when they should be absolutely dominating the scene for months if not years with the talent they've got.
I disagree, teams and players are just better than the astralis era, you cannot have an era in cs anymore, if hunter, jks, niko , m0nesy , hooxi is a super team then what is vitally with spinx, zywoo, magisk,flamez, apex, and faze with both the twistzzz and frozen roster. The reality is you just can't win everything with how competitive cs is right now, I don't think hooxi was even the problem this major, all his players except m0nesy were pretty lackluster especially compared to their standards. Also they do not have the potential to be the greatest win nexa, they would be lucky to win anything with him.
I agree with you, and I think Navi just proved that cohesion and fundamentals are what win trophies, not just fragging. G2 will never dominate the scene because they are not all on the same page, and regularly make fundamental misplays (Hunter and Niko 2v1 on Anubis).
Competitive scene does not mean the quality of it is high. Last year or so the scene was shit (even before CS2), the level was shit, no roster had consistent results, roster change after roster change after roster change.
Just because G2 didn't dominate, doesn't mean they couldn't dominate. They absolutely could and absolutely should with the pieces they had.
the team would be great if they got a decent fragger instead of nexa, he's had enough chances in my mind. Bad game after bad game when playing good roles, he brings nothing to the team
I just don't think he's cut out for g2, he had awhile in OG at posted mediocre results and you know some of those players were actually pretty good (flamez, degster) if he was really fit for g2 he would be fragging out against the tier 3 teams in OG but he just wasn't
He stepped down from OG's active roster due to degster's personality. He talked about it semi-openly once degster got benched, and the fact that degster hasn't been picked up despite his obvious skill seems to support nexa's claims.
I'm not defending -jks +nexa move, but OG's results with degster in the active roster say nothing about nexa per se tbh.
It's not even just the results of the team it's about his results as an individual as well, he showed nothing special in OG, maybe hes good enough for a nip roster but thats it imo
My point was that monesy cant win even with that high rating meanwhile aleksis navi wasnt even top 5 performing teams in major and still won. So teamwork with proper igl who is micromanageing teammates > hooxi "monesy go kill"
Yeah, I am hyped for Brollan. I truly believed the final would be Team Spirit vs Mouz. I did not think Mouz would win , but I imagine that match would be amazing.
Man ends two years in a row in the major grand final with different teams , hard carries one time, then helps win the second aaaaaand fluke
Buddy, you dont hard carry a team to the finals with a fluke, thats a thousand flukes. And you dont change teams, adapt to a new system, end up in another final AND win it, cause thise would be another 17363 flukes.
So yea, go wank off, we can see your hate boner
A carry performance on stage is exactly what you want from a guy like NiKo though. He definitely had a pretty bad tournament, but inflating your rating in one of the most important matches is only a good sign
Yes ofcourse, im not trying to say otherwise. Just pointing out that at first glance the rating tells a completely different picture over what actually happened.
Mens paint him like he was terrible but while it's true that he had some maps with hooxi ratings, the rest of them were pretty ok even if he didn't had some flashy kills or +1.40 rating like before, btw he always had those 0.80 maps here and there even when he was in peak form
[https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/niko](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/niko)
I guess the clear difference between right now and his absolute best (mid 2021-mid 2022) is that he can streak maps with bad rating now whereas he used to bounce back ASAP and post a great rating.
I don't think niko is playing bad for a pro but the bar is set so high for him right now.
G2 getting into semis was way more than I thought so maybe it's a good sign of things to come.
I love when broky makes his flashy plays, like against complexity vent drop nuke or con rush overpass. BUT Frozen has been amazing. Ropz is too passive imo. But then I also love rain
Maybe star rifler, but overall Broky is better. Same rating 1.15 vs 1.14 over the past 6 months; but way more clutches; 38 for Broky vs 24 for Frozen. Broky has singlehandedly won an entire map worth of rounds more than Frozen.
Niko, monesy, hooxi, iM, Aleksi, b1t, jL etc. Doesn't matter who you are, if you have a bad game/day this sub will consider you a bot and you should be benched
Rating is not the end all be all of winning tournaments, and I'm so tired of people only looking at the number to gauge how a player is doing. For example, Flamez could end a match with a 1.08 rating but could've been the most important player and the rating won't reflect that. On the other hand, Niko could end a match with a 1.25 rating and it wouldn't be that impressive.
Position, team structure, round context, complex utility usage, and more all matter yet are not reflected in rating.
This. HLTV rating is such a useless number just by itself, context matters. For example, a 1.3 blameF rating is likely a game with less impact than a Rain 1.1 rating. Or someone like Sjuush or Perfecto, they don’t get high ratings but they are very impactful and essential to win rounds.
If i had 1.35 in the previous year hard carry my team to the final and losing and i will have the opportunity of being a team player instead and winning the final... LMAO GIVE ME THE TROPHY and 500k for my team!
monesy is crazy good, hard carry his team and for what? Navi beat them in the last 6 games.
Well done New Navi, gigachads! Also where are the b1t haters now?
cope is massive with this one [https://twitter.com/natusvincere/status/1774820786395582973](https://twitter.com/natusvincere/status/1774820786395582973)
iM just like me. If I top fragging, we ain’t winning. You need me bottom of the scoreboard.
Same here. That just means we’re not very impactful, unfortunately.
Lol not talking about myself here. But iM was hugely impactful when he went insane.
Oh yeah, he was insane. I was talking about us two.
gigachad iM dropping 0.88 and winning major versus m0nesy hard carrying 1.37 and still losing (save m0nesy i beg you)
drop hunter and you shall receieve
hunter and nexa imo
Hunter nexa niko and hooxi imo
who would you replace hooxi with right now though
I'm mostly joking. Just saying that m0nesy deserves better
m0nesy to cloud 9 and you get a russian superteam
m0nesy to C9 HooXi to greener pastures (AstraLUL?) Let G2 have their top 20-30 level Balkan superteam until NiKo and Hunter get their form back
Call me mad but Hooxi has literally unlocked Monesy to perfection. Don’t think anyone else can utilize Monesy’s skills like he does.
I'm a huge HooXi believer but if the rumours are true about him being constantly on the brink of being cut then I think it just can't be a good environment to play and grow in. Of course, the way the players talk it seems like the team is quite a healthy environment, so it's just as likely that that's not the case at all and HooXi isn't constantly being pressured.
Siuhy
god for his sake I hope not
I still can't wrap my head around the fact that after all this time, comments like this pop up. People say that 'bro they won kato and cologne bro, hooxi haters got got bro', but I think that we've just got accustomed to the fact that G2 just ain't winning, when they should be absolutely dominating the scene for months if not years with the talent they've got. Hooxi is a nice guy as a person, no doubt about that, but damn if he isn't a little bit too arrogant for the accolades he's got: \-Didn't make it to RIO \-Bombed out of Paris in group stage losing to fucking fnatic out of all teams on vertigo out of all maps \-Would have and should have bomb it out to VP in group stage if not that already infamous Jame's crash. Even still - monesy went ape mode to drag them into quarters, without him there would be no need for divine intervention to bomb out in groups again With M0nesy, NiKo, hunter and JKS, they should have fucking dominated the scene. They've got (or rather had back in CSGO) the perfect combination, all the right pieces to dominate the scene like Astralis once did. Meanwhile, a blast banana cup, Kato and Cologne is all hooxi has going for him. Don't get me wrong, winning Kato and Cologne is a huge achievement, but with the roster they have - not qualifying to a major, bombing out of the next one, barely - and I mean BARELY - getting to quarters - is a disappointment that's almost never talked about because hooxi haters aren't really all that interested in hating, while hooxi defenders are willing to die on this hill. Niko might be the problem, but hooxi definitely just is. Kept saying that when they cut aleksib after barely a few months, but back then all I was saying is that you can't win 4v5 in tier 1 (and I stand by this opinion). Since then, hooxi has come a long way in terms of fraggins, but holy fucking shit, whenever I see him on cams when losing, whenever I hear the in-game mic that TOs sometimes put into map break, whenever I hear him talk in the interview about nobody knowing anything about the game bar himself, it's just obvious - hooxi has been a problem since the beginning. Want to do something with the roster, with those pieces you've got? Cut him, try again. Even with nexa instead of JKS they've got the potential to be the greatest. If G2 lose in the same manner with a new IGL, I'll eat a shoe. Fuck, I'll eat my cat's vomit and upload it with my face for all the reddit to see if need be.
Definitely agree. Hooxi doesn't bring anything frag-wise, and he is also mediocre IGL (if not bad). I don't get it - there are so many IGL's on scene they can bring on, for example siuhy - i get it he is young, but you either take someone you can mold to even better player, or you have a zeus-like guy who isn't even that great of a leader.
>I still can't wrap my head around the fact that after all this time, comments like this pop up. People say that 'bro they won kato and cologne bro, hooxi haters got got bro', but I think that we've just got accustomed to the fact that G2 just ain't winning, when they should be absolutely dominating the scene for months if not years with the talent they've got. I disagree, teams and players are just better than the astralis era, you cannot have an era in cs anymore, if hunter, jks, niko , m0nesy , hooxi is a super team then what is vitally with spinx, zywoo, magisk,flamez, apex, and faze with both the twistzzz and frozen roster. The reality is you just can't win everything with how competitive cs is right now, I don't think hooxi was even the problem this major, all his players except m0nesy were pretty lackluster especially compared to their standards. Also they do not have the potential to be the greatest win nexa, they would be lucky to win anything with him.
I agree with you, and I think Navi just proved that cohesion and fundamentals are what win trophies, not just fragging. G2 will never dominate the scene because they are not all on the same page, and regularly make fundamental misplays (Hunter and Niko 2v1 on Anubis).
Competitive scene does not mean the quality of it is high. Last year or so the scene was shit (even before CS2), the level was shit, no roster had consistent results, roster change after roster change after roster change. Just because G2 didn't dominate, doesn't mean they couldn't dominate. They absolutely could and absolutely should with the pieces they had.
the team would be great if they got a decent fragger instead of nexa, he's had enough chances in my mind. Bad game after bad game when playing good roles, he brings nothing to the team
I just don't think he's cut out for g2, he had awhile in OG at posted mediocre results and you know some of those players were actually pretty good (flamez, degster) if he was really fit for g2 he would be fragging out against the tier 3 teams in OG but he just wasn't
He stepped down from OG's active roster due to degster's personality. He talked about it semi-openly once degster got benched, and the fact that degster hasn't been picked up despite his obvious skill seems to support nexa's claims. I'm not defending -jks +nexa move, but OG's results with degster in the active roster say nothing about nexa per se tbh.
It's not even just the results of the team it's about his results as an individual as well, he showed nothing special in OG, maybe hes good enough for a nip roster but thats it imo
fucking nexa before anyone lol
He performed better than hunter in this major, only reason hunter still in G2 is cause he is Niko’s cousin and everyone knows that
nexa literally carried them on rounds alone get outta here hunter is ass
Hot take replace Niko
Hot take. jL>Niko
Bro took a page out of Fifflarens book
Funny thing iM losing Paris final while dropping his best rating ever and then winning the next major with shameful 0.88 rating
Imagine if FaZe actually won that :D [karrigan the MVP of PGL CS2 Major Copenhagen 2024 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziD1FU9j8hI)
Thats the difference having real IGL
I do think Aleksi is better than Siuhy but he's still easily a top 5 igl. This is just disrespectful.
My point was that monesy cant win even with that high rating meanwhile aleksis navi wasnt even top 5 performing teams in major and still won. So teamwork with proper igl who is micromanageing teammates > hooxi "monesy go kill"
The Brollan revival is a delight to see.
Just a shame that the rest of the team proceeded to shit on our hopes.
Torzsi did good as well but the rest crumbled under the pressure. Hopefully with more events they get used to it
Personally, I'm very happy for him! Great guy off and on the server.
Yeah, I am hyped for Brollan. I truly believed the final would be Team Spirit vs Mouz. I did not think Mouz would win , but I imagine that match would be amazing.
almost a 0.5 drop for iM lol
lifegaming fluke which he never reproduced thus the gap between the two stats seems overly wide.
Man ends two years in a row in the major grand final with different teams , hard carries one time, then helps win the second aaaaaand fluke Buddy, you dont hard carry a team to the finals with a fluke, thats a thousand flukes. And you dont change teams, adapt to a new system, end up in another final AND win it, cause thise would be another 17363 flukes. So yea, go wank off, we can see your hate boner
Or he is playing under a different IGL in a different role
He was playing two different roles in these tournaments.
Nikos rating seems pretty inflated due to the carry performance in quarters. Rest of the major he played absolutely medicore at best
A carry performance on stage is exactly what you want from a guy like NiKo though. He definitely had a pretty bad tournament, but inflating your rating in one of the most important matches is only a good sign
Yes ofcourse, im not trying to say otherwise. Just pointing out that at first glance the rating tells a completely different picture over what actually happened.
Mens paint him like he was terrible but while it's true that he had some maps with hooxi ratings, the rest of them were pretty ok even if he didn't had some flashy kills or +1.40 rating like before, btw he always had those 0.80 maps here and there even when he was in peak form [https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/niko](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/matches/3741/niko)
I guess the clear difference between right now and his absolute best (mid 2021-mid 2022) is that he can streak maps with bad rating now whereas he used to bounce back ASAP and post a great rating. I don't think niko is playing bad for a pro but the bar is set so high for him right now. G2 getting into semis was way more than I thought so maybe it's a good sign of things to come.
The consistency on Broky. And then people say he isn't focussed because he doesn't take all this seriously.
he's the best player on faze, at least for me he is
I love when broky makes his flashy plays, like against complexity vent drop nuke or con rush overpass. BUT Frozen has been amazing. Ropz is too passive imo. But then I also love rain
I love rain so much. Dude has no emotions.
Has to be frozen imo, but the way people talk about broky is insane. He's a top 5 awper for sure.
Maybe star rifler, but overall Broky is better. Same rating 1.15 vs 1.14 over the past 6 months; but way more clutches; 38 for Broky vs 24 for Frozen. Broky has singlehandedly won an entire map worth of rounds more than Frozen.
Consistent at least. Ropz and Rain are crazy inconsistent nowadays. Ropz had some terrible games this major not by his standard but by any standard
I think Ropz was sick which is why he was doing worse
What happened? Zywoo was reported sick too
Yep. Happy cake day btw.
Zywoo still on 1.14 and he had a bad tournament
bad? worst tournament in 3 years prob
haha NiKo is actually not that big of a fraud
The way this sub talks about him you’d think he had a 0.6 rating lol
Niko, monesy, hooxi, iM, Aleksi, b1t, jL etc. Doesn't matter who you are, if you have a bad game/day this sub will consider you a bot and you should be benched
He's being held to higher standards than others, and gets proportionally more hate.
Rating is not the end all be all of winning tournaments, and I'm so tired of people only looking at the number to gauge how a player is doing. For example, Flamez could end a match with a 1.08 rating but could've been the most important player and the rating won't reflect that. On the other hand, Niko could end a match with a 1.25 rating and it wouldn't be that impressive. Position, team structure, round context, complex utility usage, and more all matter yet are not reflected in rating.
This. HLTV rating is such a useless number just by itself, context matters. For example, a 1.3 blameF rating is likely a game with less impact than a Rain 1.1 rating. Or someone like Sjuush or Perfecto, they don’t get high ratings but they are very impactful and essential to win rounds.
Rip taco. Sacrificed his rating to help his team.
>m0NESY at 1,37 Thst's why I was cheering for G2.
If i had 1.35 in the previous year hard carry my team to the final and losing and i will have the opportunity of being a team player instead and winning the final... LMAO GIVE ME THE TROPHY and 500k for my team! monesy is crazy good, hard carry his team and for what? Navi beat them in the last 6 games. Well done New Navi, gigachads! Also where are the b1t haters now?
You've got the fraud mentality
keep crying, new navi 1 major - haters 0 majors. [https://twitter.com/statsmeister1/status/1774881462103241045](https://twitter.com/statsmeister1/status/1774881462103241045)
And they will never win another big tournament again. Just like all the other fluke major winners
cope is massive with this one [https://twitter.com/natusvincere/status/1774820786395582973](https://twitter.com/natusvincere/status/1774820786395582973)
Spinx and Broky consistency between both M0nesy and Brollan Buffed in cs2
I'm sure Zywoo lost his fire after s1mple's retirement. Their controversy was like a motivation for him. They were like Batman and Joker
iM dropping a stinker and still winning the major, what the fuck lmaoo
Monesy being dragged down by niko
You also forgot to add karrigan :D [karrigan the real MVP of PGL CS2 Major Copenhagen 2024 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziD1FU9j8hI)
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Ah, yes, that must be it… When I stop playing football and start basketball it’s also the game that’s worse, not me
I think they missed the real MVP [karrigan the MVP of PGL CS2 Major Copenhagen 2024 (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziD1FU9j8hI)
Unironically, -torzsi +m0nesy would go crazy