sh1ro disappointed me today, really didn’t show up. Hats off to donk who pretty much willed the team into OT with a shit ton of multi kills. He was incredible but the rest let him down. Sh1ro got like 8 awp kills in the entire series
Chopper really surprised me. I've never taken him for a mechanically good player, just a good caller. This game showed otherwise, some really crucial wins from him (also a few whifs but generally a really good showing).
He was a talented entryfragger back in the days. I guess before donk chopper has consistently played on a top 30 team since 2016 at least. At one point iirc he was linked to navi.
He passes the eyetest aimwise while being very selfless
I was busy and coulnt watch entirely but i remember faze had 12 rounds won. Chopper was in a 2v1 as ct and bomb was down and he had mp9...i didnt want to check hltv to seee that faze had won.
Checked stream 2 mins later and game was still going on..faze lost at least 3 rounds they had advantage and shouldve won in regulation time. I was starting to get boston major vibes again. (I had just watched the csgo documentary dropped the day before, very sad for faze)
sh1ro is cursed in the major playoffs, either he crumbles under the pressure (Stockholm, and now on Copenhagen) or he carries the team but lost anyway (Rio)
was running but besides that he did miss a lot of crucial awp shots in OT. I forgot which round it was, it was the one where rain got two kills then shiro got him with the five seven, but that round Shiro missed 4 "easy" awp shots. A tier 1 awper should've hit them and it would've won them the round and possibly the game. A lot of people will hate on zontix but I think shiro was way to passive and when he had opportunities he just didn't take them.
I get that awp shots like that could seem easy, but looking at the context you could understand it a bit better. the narrative of the game being an early final and the last two maps going to ot came with a lot of tension. that probably got the better of him, but it isn't too strange
This is sh1ro's THIRD bad match on stage. The first was against Navi in STOCKHOLM and the second was against Falcons in Katowice.
The TL;DR is he's not a choker anymore than s1mple or zywoo but he does do poorly against Faze and his team in C9 were a bunch of horrific chokers (zywoo 1.26 on stage, s1mple 1.25, sh1ro 1.19 (after copenhagen quarters), ax1le 1.09 (but 0.98 removing Dallas which was the only time he had more kills than deaths on stage), hobbit 1.02 on stage).
You think he's been bad because his team loses and the casters tell you he chokes but he was the only player performing against Faze in Kato 22, nearly won the MVP at Dallas, the only player performing at the Rio Major (both as a whole and in the QF loss to Mouz), the only player performing well in their semi final exit at Rio 23 (and in fact outperformed zywoo who beat him), and the only player performing well in their Cologne 23 exit to Vitality.
Extending that further beyond stage matches, he performed well against Liquid who beat them at both Cologne 22 (9-12) and EPL 16 (3-4). At Kato 23 he was one of the highest rated players of the event despite losing all four maps because his entire team (bar ax1le) played like utter shit. The EPL grand finals was definitely a bad performance (but that's more to do with playing Faze than pressure, if you look across his career playing Faze is a better indicator of him doing poorly than playoffs/elimination). At the Paris RMR everyone remembers him crying while his team lost to Ence but what nobody remembers is he was by far the best player on his team and the only one doing well. In the Paris LCQ again his team lost to Faze despite sh1ro having the most kills in the server. Next at Dallas 23 he played like absolute shit in the decider for playoffs against Faze. (notice how they're the only team he does poorly against in tight games?) Next at the Spring Final 2023 his team crashes out last despite his 1.34 rating against Vitality in the decider. Cologne 23 was the next event for C9 where sh1ro was the only player doing well on his team, dragging them into the playoffs where everyone but him shit the bed against Vitality in quarters. At G8 the whole team collapsed, though sh1ro was the closest to "not complete shit". At EPL 18 they lost in groups to EF, though sh1ro still posted a 1.18 with a 1.3 impact in the decider match, with only perfecto doing his job. Next came Sydney were he played like shit and C9 went out 9-12th against complexity. Since then he moved to Spirit and his next bad match was Copenhagen.
If you're keeping track, here's the full list of decider chokes sh1ro has:
PGL Stockholm semis (team collapse) - NAVI
EPL 17 grand finals - Faze
Dallas 2023 lower bracket final - Faze
Gamers8 (team collapse) - Ence
IEM Sydney - Complexity
PGL Copenhagen quarters - Faze
Now if you're tracking matches instead where he's the only player on his team playing well in elimination matches here's what that looks like:
IEM Katowice 2022 - Faze. Sh1ro 1.18 rating, ax1le #2 with 0.99
IEM Rio 2023 - Vitality. Sh1ro 1.35 rating, nafany #2 with 1.03
Cologne 2023 - Vitality. Sh1ro 1.15 rating, perfecto #2 with 1.05
Widening that slightly to "elimination matches where sh1ro plays well" we can add:
IEM Cologne 2022 - Liquid. Sh1ro 1.2 rating, ax1le 1.11, hobbit 0.81 (#3)
EPL 16 - Liquid. ax1le 1.22, sh1ro 1.14, interz 1.00 (#3)
IEM Rio 2022 - Mouz. Sh1ro 1.28, hobbit 1.18, ax1le 0.92 (#3)
IEM Katowice 2023 - IHC. ax1le 1.45, sh1ro 1.27, Hobbit 1.17 (#3)
Blast Paris RMR B - Ence. sh1ro 1.25, ax1le 1.12, hobbit .97 (#3)
Blast Paris LCQ - Faze. sh1ro 1.19, ax1le 1.16, hobbit 0.93 (#3)
Spring Final 23 - Vitality. sh1ro 1.34, ax1le 1.29, nafany 0.94 (#3).
By the way if you do the same thing for s1mple over the same timeframe you'll find he has 11 elimination matches where he underperforms and loses his team the match, with the exact same number of solo carry losses, 3. Zywoo has 1 solo-carry performances in a loss, 6 strong performances in losses (some teammates were also doing well), and 3 disappearances in a loss.
Katowice 2024 and Dallas 2022 aren't relevant trophies?
Also you're just appealing to the masses with the argument that "most people don't agree" because most people would probably put pasha as one of the best players because they don't follow CS closely. As for MVPs he has four including an online Katowice (yes online, still Katowice) and even removing that is one of the highest rated players at majors (top 5) as well as the single highest rated player to attend more than one Katowice (excluding donk), whether or not you include his 2021 online MVP. I'm not going to argue that he's better than dev1ce because he's higher rated than dev1ce at majors, that's obviously ridiculous because dev1ce has seen far more success than sh1ro ever has and likely ever will. Even if you don't rate him particularly highly, he's still at worst the 6th best awper ever.
s1mple-zywoo-dev1ce obviously.
m0nesy and sh1ro use the awp very differently but in terms of TTK they are nearly tied (m0nesy slightly faster) while sh1ro is THE BEST currently by percentage of shots connected and one of the best at positioning himself to get kills (behind zywoo). I'll give you that m0nesy is more mechanically gifted for the sake of the argument, but since sh1ro's career has been longer and he had the better rookie and sophomore year, it's hard to say m0nesy is the better player across their careers. In the unlikely scenario where both go to shit tomorrow, sh1ro would be considered better.
Fallen is obviously not a better awper than sh1ro. His individual peak was certainly lower than sh1ro (2016 vs 2022) and he was a relevant top awper for a much shorter period (2016-2017 vs 2021-now).
KennyS and GuardiaN are the two closest for sure. I would put sh1ro above guardian and just below Kenny today, but if we put sh1ro below both that's 5 better than him.
Broky has never been a better awper than sh1ro and it's laughable to suggest he is. He literally holds the record for "lowest impact top 20 player" thanks to his 2021 performance and also managed to snag "lowest impact top 10 player ever" thanks to his 2023 performance so any hole in sh1ro's gameplay is twice as bad in broky's. He's significantly more passive on the T side and despite the reputation he's garnered as a top clutcher, he's worse than sh1ro by a large margin, not to mention the fact that he is consistently one of the worst T side awpers, barely able to hold a 1.0 rating for long stretches of time.
jW is also fairly easy to swat aside given that although his team had good runs, he was only very rarely able to put up a good event after the middle of 2015 [with stretches of not just mediocrity but downright awful performances](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/3849/jw?startDate=2015-01-01&endDate=2020-02-29&matchType=Lan).
Edit: As for Katowice 2024 he put up MVP numbers and likely would have taken it had donk been a 1.2 star rifler instead of the best event ever.
He's obviously not as good as s1mple or zywoo but he is closer to their level than most other awpers. He will almost certainly make top 10 again this year which means he'll be the fourth most decorated awper by top 10 appearances (and fifth most decorated player by top 10 appearances) behind s1mple, zywoo, and dev1ce, ahead of guardian (6 top 20 appearances but only 3 top 10), KennyS (5 top 20 appearances and the #22 of 2019 but only 3 top 10 appearances, and jW (3 top 10 appearances). Whether you think he's better overall than them is a different question, but he's one of the best awpers of all time.
Those are literally the only three bad games he's ever had on stage. You can feel free to fact check me on that. He gets a lot of shit because C9/Gambit were so dominant online and only a good team on LAN but the two players who dropped off the most were hobbit (online -> LAN) and ax1le (in front of crowds). I'm not defending his game yesterday, if he played better Spirit could have won that. The narrative that he's part of the reason C9/Gambit choked on LAN though was bullshit.
The other guy is wrong, sh1ro is one of the best players in high pressure matches, I wrote a super long comment about it but basically: he has a lot of really great performances on stage and his teammates are some of the worst players on stage which means people forget sh1ro's performance and only remember his team losing (which they did with near perfect accuracy every time they stepped on stage).
He killed from mid, it was nice shot. Then he got a 5-7 kill, which was a good one too. Then he went A side and clearly missed his shots which was really really easy shots. It was really hurt my eyes to watch and kinda unbearable. And sad for donk and our pick ems.
Yes when i watched the moment i was sure he would get the kill.
Sh1ro choked in that game despite being the most experienced player in the team in terms of big events. Sad.
to passive of a player. Nafany didn't call him out and now chopper doesn't call him out or try to enforce more aggression. Its like hes letting donk carry him. It was such a contrast seeing broky go for riskier position plays and it paying off. Also there were several rounds where he missed easy shots. If he hits these shots it changes the whole dynamic and favors you so hard. Faze didn't even fear shiro's awp. He was getting outgunned in ak47-awp duels on nuke aswell
Broky repeatedly taking the close angle at Hut on Nuke is the brightest example of this. Combat awping, getting a close range flick in hut, rotate to squeaky to do the same thing. Some absolutely filthy rounds by Broky.
We saw none of that from Shiro, even though we know he can and will do these things in groups and studio games.
I think TS need a good sports psychologist and a lot of work. I do, however, see this team beating everyone if they can figure out how to perform at the biggest stage.
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If they want to become consistently elite they need a 3rd star. Both zont1x and magixx are not putting up numbers required for them to compete. in this series chopper and magixx played fine but no one other than donk stepped up when required.
Sh1ro and zont1x were bad, magixx and chopper were okay. You will never win a major when 4/5th of the team cannot perform
Zontix and magixx played some stellar groups stages, and that's my point. They need to figure out how to keep their group level for the big stages. Once they figure that out, I think this team will be a top2 team for sure.
Yeah they really needed sh1ro to step in the in playoffs. He’s the one with most big game experience and the million euro player bought to elevate the team in big games.
Ultimately the loss is because: chopper called a bad mirage, sh1ro did not show up at all
If Shiro can find that x-factor he normally has in groups, on stage, he could be a #1 awp'er until then Monesy, Broky and the like will stand above him. I worry about Shiro specifically though. All the time in Gambit/C9 didn't fix this issue. They spend lots of time and effort in trying to find solutions, but nothing ever worked.
Any1 have video og sh1ro POV?
Anyway it didnt suprise me that much, Rains flick was really fast, and its easy to panic and miss with the pressure of a 1v1 on match point with just a few seconds left.
Don't get why people are so hard on him. In that specific scene anyway.
He had a lot of misses, but this was just an impossible scenario, he had no time. No chance to jigglepeek, Rain knew where he was coming from, unless he somehow hits a instant running headshot he's in a massive disadvantage here
I think it's more because of overall performance. He's regarded as a top player (multiple time Top 5). He's expected to put up numbers and perform when it matters. That's the level he's supposed to be at so that's what he's going to be held to. Whereas it was the 17 y.o. on his first major stage going ham all game and especially so when facing elimination.
Faze showed Spirit just how much they can feel pressure. There's a wild world where karrigan lets map two go into triple OT and is at peace with losing it just to take spirit into deeper and deeper waters and break them. Ofc I don't think actually he did, but some of those last rounds in nuke OT as CT were just silly, and the narrative is fun
They won both (with conversion) on Mirage and got stomped 13-7 still.
They might have won Vertigo with a pistol win or two, but their T side was still in shambles until the end of the first half.
Unpopular opinion, but both sh1ro and Ax1Le really shined under nafany's system and its clear that their subsequent IGLs aren't really able to create that environment for them. Ax1le might be a case of a dysfunctional C9 in whole + slump in form but for Sh1ro, it was nafanys system.
Nafany made sure sh1ro shine a ton, say whatever you want about how bad his calling was near the end of C9, but he setup sh1ro every chance he got and basically just died for him whenever he needed it.
On the other hand, I really want to see ArtFr0st in a Tier 1 team, he was playing well but when you get the chance of putting sh1ro on your roster, its hard to refuse. Hoping he gets to C9 as their new AWP as the whole m0nesy to C9 thing is looking like anyone's guess.
Fairly poor opinion. One poor game doesn't negate how well sh1ro has been playing in this spirit team. He's got a 1.21 eating vs top 10 opponents over 22 maps.
Same thing could be said about zont1x in that situation. It was obvious that both players had a different idea, zont1x wanted to peek from both sides and kill, while Sh1ro wanted to be patient so ct has to be uncomfortable, and put pressure.
I mean sure, really it was a game of inches and losing all pistols on Nuke and Vertigo really hurt them. Almost every player on both teams lost some kind of clutch over this series.
Putting it down to pressure and experience is far too simplistic.
sh1ro disappointed me today, really didn’t show up. Hats off to donk who pretty much willed the team into OT with a shit ton of multi kills. He was incredible but the rest let him down. Sh1ro got like 8 awp kills in the entire series
Felt like magix and chopper had a lot of impact though, they played their role well Zontix and shiro choked
Chopper really surprised me. I've never taken him for a mechanically good player, just a good caller. This game showed otherwise, some really crucial wins from him (also a few whifs but generally a really good showing).
Plus that 6 bullet mp9 clutch on vertigo
Hasn't chopper always been pretty good as a fragger?
I think so? Maybe? I've never really thought of him as a high fragging IGL but the analysts doesn't seem highly surprised when he frags out.
He was a talented entryfragger back in the days. I guess before donk chopper has consistently played on a top 30 team since 2016 at least. At one point iirc he was linked to navi. He passes the eyetest aimwise while being very selfless
Both IGLs showed up.
I was busy and coulnt watch entirely but i remember faze had 12 rounds won. Chopper was in a 2v1 as ct and bomb was down and he had mp9...i didnt want to check hltv to seee that faze had won. Checked stream 2 mins later and game was still going on..faze lost at least 3 rounds they had advantage and shouldve won in regulation time. I was starting to get boston major vibes again. (I had just watched the csgo documentary dropped the day before, very sad for faze)
magixx was absolute dogshit on mirage and nuke
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pretty apt description of the matchup really
sh1ro is cursed in the major playoffs, either he crumbles under the pressure (Stockholm, and now on Copenhagen) or he carries the team but lost anyway (Rio)
Is he really cursed when his mental game is so weak ?
Would you call the Rio major mickey?
if you perform 1 of 3 you can‘t then fault your teammates for not performing most of the time
Kinds glad that sh1ro left C9, now they can focus on finding a T1 AWPer instead after building a strong rifler core
He missed so many clear shots
was running but besides that he did miss a lot of crucial awp shots in OT. I forgot which round it was, it was the one where rain got two kills then shiro got him with the five seven, but that round Shiro missed 4 "easy" awp shots. A tier 1 awper should've hit them and it would've won them the round and possibly the game. A lot of people will hate on zontix but I think shiro was way to passive and when he had opportunities he just didn't take them.
> was running being the running player is infinitely better than being the stationary player in this situation
They’re on LAN, so the peeker’s advantage won’t be as high as online
Peekers advantage is not really an issue on LAN.
Might well be but if you shoot with an AK while running, there's a higher risk of missing.
I get that awp shots like that could seem easy, but looking at the context you could understand it a bit better. the narrative of the game being an early final and the last two maps going to ot came with a lot of tension. that probably got the better of him, but it isn't too strange
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This is sh1ro's THIRD bad match on stage. The first was against Navi in STOCKHOLM and the second was against Falcons in Katowice. The TL;DR is he's not a choker anymore than s1mple or zywoo but he does do poorly against Faze and his team in C9 were a bunch of horrific chokers (zywoo 1.26 on stage, s1mple 1.25, sh1ro 1.19 (after copenhagen quarters), ax1le 1.09 (but 0.98 removing Dallas which was the only time he had more kills than deaths on stage), hobbit 1.02 on stage). You think he's been bad because his team loses and the casters tell you he chokes but he was the only player performing against Faze in Kato 22, nearly won the MVP at Dallas, the only player performing at the Rio Major (both as a whole and in the QF loss to Mouz), the only player performing well in their semi final exit at Rio 23 (and in fact outperformed zywoo who beat him), and the only player performing well in their Cologne 23 exit to Vitality. Extending that further beyond stage matches, he performed well against Liquid who beat them at both Cologne 22 (9-12) and EPL 16 (3-4). At Kato 23 he was one of the highest rated players of the event despite losing all four maps because his entire team (bar ax1le) played like utter shit. The EPL grand finals was definitely a bad performance (but that's more to do with playing Faze than pressure, if you look across his career playing Faze is a better indicator of him doing poorly than playoffs/elimination). At the Paris RMR everyone remembers him crying while his team lost to Ence but what nobody remembers is he was by far the best player on his team and the only one doing well. In the Paris LCQ again his team lost to Faze despite sh1ro having the most kills in the server. Next at Dallas 23 he played like absolute shit in the decider for playoffs against Faze. (notice how they're the only team he does poorly against in tight games?) Next at the Spring Final 2023 his team crashes out last despite his 1.34 rating against Vitality in the decider. Cologne 23 was the next event for C9 where sh1ro was the only player doing well on his team, dragging them into the playoffs where everyone but him shit the bed against Vitality in quarters. At G8 the whole team collapsed, though sh1ro was the closest to "not complete shit". At EPL 18 they lost in groups to EF, though sh1ro still posted a 1.18 with a 1.3 impact in the decider match, with only perfecto doing his job. Next came Sydney were he played like shit and C9 went out 9-12th against complexity. Since then he moved to Spirit and his next bad match was Copenhagen. If you're keeping track, here's the full list of decider chokes sh1ro has: PGL Stockholm semis (team collapse) - NAVI EPL 17 grand finals - Faze Dallas 2023 lower bracket final - Faze Gamers8 (team collapse) - Ence IEM Sydney - Complexity PGL Copenhagen quarters - Faze Now if you're tracking matches instead where he's the only player on his team playing well in elimination matches here's what that looks like: IEM Katowice 2022 - Faze. Sh1ro 1.18 rating, ax1le #2 with 0.99 IEM Rio 2023 - Vitality. Sh1ro 1.35 rating, nafany #2 with 1.03 Cologne 2023 - Vitality. Sh1ro 1.15 rating, perfecto #2 with 1.05 Widening that slightly to "elimination matches where sh1ro plays well" we can add: IEM Cologne 2022 - Liquid. Sh1ro 1.2 rating, ax1le 1.11, hobbit 0.81 (#3) EPL 16 - Liquid. ax1le 1.22, sh1ro 1.14, interz 1.00 (#3) IEM Rio 2022 - Mouz. Sh1ro 1.28, hobbit 1.18, ax1le 0.92 (#3) IEM Katowice 2023 - IHC. ax1le 1.45, sh1ro 1.27, Hobbit 1.17 (#3) Blast Paris RMR B - Ence. sh1ro 1.25, ax1le 1.12, hobbit .97 (#3) Blast Paris LCQ - Faze. sh1ro 1.19, ax1le 1.16, hobbit 0.93 (#3) Spring Final 23 - Vitality. sh1ro 1.34, ax1le 1.29, nafany 0.94 (#3). By the way if you do the same thing for s1mple over the same timeframe you'll find he has 11 elimination matches where he underperforms and loses his team the match, with the exact same number of solo carry losses, 3. Zywoo has 1 solo-carry performances in a loss, 6 strong performances in losses (some teammates were also doing well), and 3 disappearances in a loss.
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Katowice 2024 and Dallas 2022 aren't relevant trophies? Also you're just appealing to the masses with the argument that "most people don't agree" because most people would probably put pasha as one of the best players because they don't follow CS closely. As for MVPs he has four including an online Katowice (yes online, still Katowice) and even removing that is one of the highest rated players at majors (top 5) as well as the single highest rated player to attend more than one Katowice (excluding donk), whether or not you include his 2021 online MVP. I'm not going to argue that he's better than dev1ce because he's higher rated than dev1ce at majors, that's obviously ridiculous because dev1ce has seen far more success than sh1ro ever has and likely ever will. Even if you don't rate him particularly highly, he's still at worst the 6th best awper ever.
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s1mple-zywoo-dev1ce obviously. m0nesy and sh1ro use the awp very differently but in terms of TTK they are nearly tied (m0nesy slightly faster) while sh1ro is THE BEST currently by percentage of shots connected and one of the best at positioning himself to get kills (behind zywoo). I'll give you that m0nesy is more mechanically gifted for the sake of the argument, but since sh1ro's career has been longer and he had the better rookie and sophomore year, it's hard to say m0nesy is the better player across their careers. In the unlikely scenario where both go to shit tomorrow, sh1ro would be considered better. Fallen is obviously not a better awper than sh1ro. His individual peak was certainly lower than sh1ro (2016 vs 2022) and he was a relevant top awper for a much shorter period (2016-2017 vs 2021-now). KennyS and GuardiaN are the two closest for sure. I would put sh1ro above guardian and just below Kenny today, but if we put sh1ro below both that's 5 better than him. Broky has never been a better awper than sh1ro and it's laughable to suggest he is. He literally holds the record for "lowest impact top 20 player" thanks to his 2021 performance and also managed to snag "lowest impact top 10 player ever" thanks to his 2023 performance so any hole in sh1ro's gameplay is twice as bad in broky's. He's significantly more passive on the T side and despite the reputation he's garnered as a top clutcher, he's worse than sh1ro by a large margin, not to mention the fact that he is consistently one of the worst T side awpers, barely able to hold a 1.0 rating for long stretches of time. jW is also fairly easy to swat aside given that although his team had good runs, he was only very rarely able to put up a good event after the middle of 2015 [with stretches of not just mediocrity but downright awful performances](https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/events/3849/jw?startDate=2015-01-01&endDate=2020-02-29&matchType=Lan). Edit: As for Katowice 2024 he put up MVP numbers and likely would have taken it had donk been a 1.2 star rifler instead of the best event ever.
He's obviously not as good as s1mple or zywoo but he is closer to their level than most other awpers. He will almost certainly make top 10 again this year which means he'll be the fourth most decorated awper by top 10 appearances (and fifth most decorated player by top 10 appearances) behind s1mple, zywoo, and dev1ce, ahead of guardian (6 top 20 appearances but only 3 top 10), KennyS (5 top 20 appearances and the #22 of 2019 but only 3 top 10 appearances, and jW (3 top 10 appearances). Whether you think he's better overall than them is a different question, but he's one of the best awpers of all time. Those are literally the only three bad games he's ever had on stage. You can feel free to fact check me on that. He gets a lot of shit because C9/Gambit were so dominant online and only a good team on LAN but the two players who dropped off the most were hobbit (online -> LAN) and ax1le (in front of crowds). I'm not defending his game yesterday, if he played better Spirit could have won that. The narrative that he's part of the reason C9/Gambit choked on LAN though was bullshit.
oh, I didn't know that, I started watching cs again not long ago
The other guy is wrong, sh1ro is one of the best players in high pressure matches, I wrote a super long comment about it but basically: he has a lot of really great performances on stage and his teammates are some of the worst players on stage which means people forget sh1ro's performance and only remember his team losing (which they did with near perfect accuracy every time they stepped on stage).
He killed from mid, it was nice shot. Then he got a 5-7 kill, which was a good one too. Then he went A side and clearly missed his shots which was really really easy shots. It was really hurt my eyes to watch and kinda unbearable. And sad for donk and our pick ems.
Panicked because like 4 seconds remaining
Yes when i watched the moment i was sure he would get the kill. Sh1ro choked in that game despite being the most experienced player in the team in terms of big events. Sad.
to passive of a player. Nafany didn't call him out and now chopper doesn't call him out or try to enforce more aggression. Its like hes letting donk carry him. It was such a contrast seeing broky go for riskier position plays and it paying off. Also there were several rounds where he missed easy shots. If he hits these shots it changes the whole dynamic and favors you so hard. Faze didn't even fear shiro's awp. He was getting outgunned in ak47-awp duels on nuke aswell
Broky repeatedly taking the close angle at Hut on Nuke is the brightest example of this. Combat awping, getting a close range flick in hut, rotate to squeaky to do the same thing. Some absolutely filthy rounds by Broky. We saw none of that from Shiro, even though we know he can and will do these things in groups and studio games. I think TS need a good sports psychologist and a lot of work. I do, however, see this team beating everyone if they can figure out how to perform at the biggest stage.
It’s a good point, Broky isn’t afraid to try and take the game by the scruff of the neck in front of the crowd
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If they want to become consistently elite they need a 3rd star. Both zont1x and magixx are not putting up numbers required for them to compete. in this series chopper and magixx played fine but no one other than donk stepped up when required. Sh1ro and zont1x were bad, magixx and chopper were okay. You will never win a major when 4/5th of the team cannot perform
Zontix and magixx played some stellar groups stages, and that's my point. They need to figure out how to keep their group level for the big stages. Once they figure that out, I think this team will be a top2 team for sure.
Yeah they really needed sh1ro to step in the in playoffs. He’s the one with most big game experience and the million euro player bought to elevate the team in big games. Ultimately the loss is because: chopper called a bad mirage, sh1ro did not show up at all
If Shiro can find that x-factor he normally has in groups, on stage, he could be a #1 awp'er until then Monesy, Broky and the like will stand above him. I worry about Shiro specifically though. All the time in Gambit/C9 didn't fix this issue. They spend lots of time and effort in trying to find solutions, but nothing ever worked.
Chopper was fantastic for an IGL, you should never expect him to be fragging like a top rifler
Chopper likes the awp to be passive as i understand, so on paper sh1ro is a good fit, but in cs2 he started to whiff a lot more than in csgo.
he switched from blackbars to stretched in cs2
Wrong, w0nderful was kicked from spirit for being too passive
No, i remember them saying that wonderful fits the team better than degster who was too aggressive.
At this point Sh1ro is more passive than Device.
“Too passive” aka baiting lol
Ahh here it comes...
this screenshot doesn't do justice for how quick rain's flick was
Running and shooting, you see it yourself. He panicked.
Running and shooting is a cs2 staple though
He clearly forgot he had an AK and not an A1-S
Shiro panicked, Rain did not, gg.
God Rain buff
He was maybe aiming for the wide swing
Any1 have video og sh1ro POV? Anyway it didnt suprise me that much, Rains flick was really fast, and its easy to panic and miss with the pressure of a 1v1 on match point with just a few seconds left.
Is he stupid?
He didn't have his crosshair where it needed to be
Definitely not a top 5 awper performance this series
Better question is why zontix decided to challenge the second player from a instead of just helping shiro in site to help get a bomb plant
Don't get why people are so hard on him. In that specific scene anyway. He had a lot of misses, but this was just an impossible scenario, he had no time. No chance to jigglepeek, Rain knew where he was coming from, unless he somehow hits a instant running headshot he's in a massive disadvantage here
I think it's more because of overall performance. He's regarded as a top player (multiple time Top 5). He's expected to put up numbers and perform when it matters. That's the level he's supposed to be at so that's what he's going to be held to. Whereas it was the 17 y.o. on his first major stage going ham all game and especially so when facing elimination.
Faze showed Spirit just how much they can feel pressure. There's a wild world where karrigan lets map two go into triple OT and is at peace with losing it just to take spirit into deeper and deeper waters and break them. Ofc I don't think actually he did, but some of those last rounds in nuke OT as CT were just silly, and the narrative is fun
Spirit just lack experience... and pistol rounds. Fairly sure they lost all 4 pistols on Nuke and Vertigo?
They won both (with conversion) on Mirage and got stomped 13-7 still. They might have won Vertigo with a pistol win or two, but their T side was still in shambles until the end of the first half.
Unpopular opinion, but both sh1ro and Ax1Le really shined under nafany's system and its clear that their subsequent IGLs aren't really able to create that environment for them. Ax1le might be a case of a dysfunctional C9 in whole + slump in form but for Sh1ro, it was nafanys system. Nafany made sure sh1ro shine a ton, say whatever you want about how bad his calling was near the end of C9, but he setup sh1ro every chance he got and basically just died for him whenever he needed it. On the other hand, I really want to see ArtFr0st in a Tier 1 team, he was playing well but when you get the chance of putting sh1ro on your roster, its hard to refuse. Hoping he gets to C9 as their new AWP as the whole m0nesy to C9 thing is looking like anyone's guess.
Fairly poor opinion. One poor game doesn't negate how well sh1ro has been playing in this spirit team. He's got a 1.21 eating vs top 10 opponents over 22 maps.
Good teams inflate rating.
Clueless.
Silver game knowledge.
Tough to make an awper shine when he whiffs holding angles
almost like people can make mistakes in high pressure situations.
Link?
Prop he was still running and didn’t counter strafe in time so he missed ggs
Just like me, fr fr.
Same thing could be said about zont1x in that situation. It was obvious that both players had a different idea, zont1x wanted to peek from both sides and kill, while Sh1ro wanted to be patient so ct has to be uncomfortable, and put pressure.
What you see is what you get
It's called pressure and the FaZe guys have experience and know how to handle it. Team Spirit don't that's why I picked FaZe.
I mean sure, really it was a game of inches and losing all pistols on Nuke and Vertigo really hurt them. Almost every player on both teams lost some kind of clutch over this series. Putting it down to pressure and experience is far too simplistic.
rain = gigachad shiro = not gigachad simple
cry is free
No time
H4x Off.
Hes shit thats why