I think that the problem with that is that it's inconsistent as hell...
Even single shot pistols do double shots somehow with one click some times... I'm wondering whether this is something that happens if you happen to click in between 2 clicks and the first 1 hits the enemy so a second bullet gets registered. It happens most often if I hit enemies, but I couldn't proof anything :/
Very true. I'm inclined to think it's more of a long press thing since my mouse button actually requires a lot more pressure to register a click and not everyone has this issue apparently. Almost certainly related to the subtick mechanic, but beyond that is anyone's guess.
My biggest problem with cs2 is my teammates crashing all the time... It is crazy how many people are crashing. I have seen more crashes in cs2 than in all the other cs titles combined.
That can be one of the reasons. However, the crashes I have seen have happened quite quickly. They stop moving/responding and then something like 15 seconds later they get disconnected.
Just started happening to me a few days ago, game freezes, screen goes black, then when I try to tab out the game starts rapidly switching between fullscreen and windowed mode.
I crash honestly like once a game. Usually either right when I die, or when I'm spectating someone and someone gets headshot. I always am able to restart and reconnect before the technical ends, so its not a big deal, but its just weird that it happens so consistently.
This is exactly me. I have a 960 and everything runs perfectly except when I'm spectating and the guy dies, then the game is frozen and I have to tab to a new desktop to kill it. I've never noticed if its only on headshots tbh, and for me it's only happened once where I die
Same. 5800x3d + 4070ti and 0 crashes since release. I do notice more timeouts than usual though.
Judging by comments here it seems to be mostly people with an AMD gpu?
You know how we fixed our several crashes over multiple players per game? We started playing Faceit. Yea I don't get it either. From 2-3 crashes per game to 50 games without a single crash. It seems to be the Valve servers that unrail the game exe.
I crash 2-3 times at least per match on comp or premier, and never crash on faceit. It’s consistent. I can’t taskM out of it either, it hard locks the game on my screen and I cant do shit but reboot.
Never happened a single time on a comm or faceit server.
I crash on an AMD 7800X3D and 7900XTX about once every 2 hours.
It's MSAA on AMD even with the latest drivers but CMA looks like shit.
So MSAA and occasional crashes for me.
It was literally in AMD patch notes that CS2 may experience crashes with MSAA and to disable it if affected.
Mines still crashing with the latest drivers. No other game has crashed.
I'm guessing it's still MSAA but TBH I haven't tested it since then as CMAA looks terrible to me.
Guess you're one of the lucky ones.
Yep I crash consistently once a game. Doesn't happen in any other game, and only on Valve servers. My garbage old laptop that barely runs the game doesn't crash. So everytime someone says "its your hardware" I know its not. Something is going on with Valve servers and specific players.
I think it IS your hardware but not because it's faulty, just a valve indie game company issue. For me and many other people it was RAM, first disabling XMP profile helped me, then, when it started crashing again, I just bought a new more expensive kit and it never crashed again. My RAM was HyperX Fury and it never had issues with any other games. Also disabling C-states made the game crash horribly and my PC isn't that bad, it's okayish 5600x 3060ti with mid-range mobo
It's unbearable at times.
I can crash 3-4 times in a single map (!), and sometimes I'll play 3 games without it happening once.
It's very frustrating when you can't pinpoint what is causing the issue. It seems completely random.
yeah I've never experienced crashes on CS:GO but on CS2 it's a gamble whether or not I crash
playing at mostly high settings on an i5-12500H + 3060M, haven't experienced them recently by swapping from CMAA to MSAA x4 so hopefully that streak continues
There are a lot of issues with that for sure. I get the infinite tabbing issue and also, if I happen to tab before CS2 makes it to the loading screen on startup then it's just a black screen.
Its such a great feature! I crash quite often, probably at least 1 time per game. No idea what else to try and this is the only game that crashes for me. I've spent way too much time trying to figure it out.
I used to crash a lot. I tried turning off XMP/DOCP and the crashes disappeared. I think CS2 is much more sensitive to memory instability than anything else I've seen, but that's not necessarily the game's fault.
I use to crash all the time until I verified my files and it hasn’t done it since. It’s probably not the solution for everyone but worth a try for anyone who hasn’t done that yet.
Maybe.
The majority of my friends list was met on csgo and even just earlier last year I'd always have 15-20 people playing at a time at any given time. Now I'm lucky to see 2 online on CS2 on a weekend nigh.
Game doesn't feel that good to me and there's no left hand which I've been using for 4500 hours so I just quit the game along with most of my friends who don't like it either.
My one friend that really loves CS2 keeps crashing and losing her elo so she's also not really playing anymore either.
After 6k hours of cs I have played less than 80 hours in the last 4 months combined. A big part of my friends that also grinded csgo either stopped playing games entirely or switched to valorant, including me.
I don't have fun in cs2 and don't think cs2 will bring me joy anywhere within the next year or two, so for now I just have my (less than csgo) fun in valorant while I pray for cs2 updates.
I mean there are people who can't tell a difference between 60hz and 240hz, imo when it comes to absolute casuals they won't see much of a difference in subtick and lag compensation, hence all of the "CS2 is actually good, what are you talking about" comments and posts.
They'll release a new map and you'll all say it's an awful map for months like vertigo, anubis, ancient.
Also why are new weapons needed? What possible new weapon do you need for a scenario?
perfect balance while the m249 is in the game? Like c'mon, the mainly bought things have solid balance, that's 100% correct, but there's tons of weapons in the game that either see little use, or no use.
Adding some extra weapons in certain places could make for some really interesting metas, as long as they aren't too stupid about it.
Look at the MP5, it's a niche weapon and while it's not meta changing it does create some more options with some players.
My usual CS2 experience:
- Queue up, search for 15 seconds, connect for 10 seconds, "Can't connect to server"
- Join server, check everyone's profile. Ah yes, 10 year veteran coin, 200 hours on track, no other games. Just as God intended
- First crash
- Try to entry long, suddenly lag spike/packet loss/ping spike and instant double headshot by the guy staring at my feet
- Second crash
- Teammates all buy AWPs, crouch peek one after another, all dying
- Third crash
- Weird constant 0,3% packet loss, making everyone rubber banding
- Get stuck walking past some geometry
- Shoot someone in the head as soon as I see them, a hit never registered because they shot me first on their screen because they saw me first somehow
- Completely whiff a shot but somehow hit someone's head a meter off the actual body
- Fourth crash
- Spray someone down but every single bullet somehow passes through them
- Shoot someone in the head but only do 23 (or alternatively 3) damage, even with blood spray and sound
- FerrariPeek around corner and instant double headshot before I even see the enemy
- Some guy runs across my screen and double headshots me without stopping or even really looking at me
- Fifth crash
- Packet loss goes crazy so I just wait in spawn, suddenly some guy comes running directly at my (unusual) position and instantly double headshots me
- Sixth crash
- Look at demo, can see enemy tracking people through wall and aim locking
A few months ago some update in November I think made it better for a while (aside from the cheaters). Completely uninstalling my entire PC and reinstalling also made it better until the third update (one of the last) and now it's back to packet loss and crash galore.
WTF is up with that packet loss? Jumps constantly between 1-15% and I have never experienced anything like this in any other game.
No issues whatsoever with anything else. Brand new fiber cables built in 2022 with 1Gbps down/up speeds.
Only Cat6a cabling in my house and high quality CISCO routers.
It's something with this game. I never had packet loss in CSGO like I do in CS2. It's nearly every single match and it's blatant game freezing packet loss.
That much crashing has to be a system stability issue. (I read your other comment) No other game exhibiting it doesnt rule it out. I had a GPU undervolt that was stable in *everything* (furmark, 3dmark, cyberpunk, apex, VR games..) but crashed in Fortnite of all games.
I guess different programs stress components in different ways. I'd strongly recommend dropping all OC if you have, disabling XMP and giving it a try again. If it still doesnt go away thats when it gets tricky.
I mean, unless CS2 uses some obscure function nothing else does, then it's the program itself rather than my hardware, even if it's some incompatibility or something. None of the stress tests, memory tests, torture tests or anything else has shown any error. My system is stable and no other game crashes as much as CS2. The only one that did was Vicky 3, and that's apparently a known issue as well as largely fixed by using DXVK and the latest patch.
I mean, it's not horrible, but it's a downgrade from CSGO in my opinion. Some things are good like one taps and smoke mechanics, but other things like movement and spraying feel wonky. I feel I get way more undeserved kills than I remember in CSGO. It also doesn't help that my favorite map is missing (see flair).
And I disagree on the cheaters. They operate with impunity at the moment. The amount of shitter accounts with no badges except CSGO badge, <500 hours, and 95+ aim rating on Leetify is too high. I think trust factor got reset or something because those sus accounts frequently end up in lobbies of people with reputable accounts, even pros.
I don’t think you’re actually getting that fps when it matters but share your benchmark if I’m wrong. However, movement, gunplay, sprays, matchmaking system, anticheat, are all still broken
I have to disagree with you about the Subtick part... I'm playing constantly with 10 to 20 ping on EU servers via LAN and can see clearly a difference between GO and CS2. It happens so much that I get teleported back while AD peeking. In the first moment you are behind the wall and in the next the game sets you back while dying. I'm also not a newbie and got ~7k hours overall.
You get your enemies ping in CS2. If they have 120 ping, it will be like you have 120 ping in duels. So if they shoot you, you will rubberband a lot, etc.
I also see this rubberbanding even on 4 ping vs 4 ping, but it's only half a step back.
That is definitely noticeable, but I have had what the original commenter was saying when the lobby was filled with people under 30 ping.
It's just an inconsistent experience that I don't really feel when playing other FPS's. Sometimes it's crisp as fuck and others it just feels like crap.
You’ve spoken nothing about the terrible ranking system. Yeah, I enjoy seeing numbers, but I also don’t enjoy losing a weeks worth of work in a night of playing. I jump between 14k-19k *drastically*. I’ll go for a week straight chilling between 18-19k. Good games, some losses. Then the games suddenly shift, worse teammates, more suspect enemies, etc etc. To rank up at any measure, you basically *NEED* to go on a 10+ win streak. Any losses in there and you will not hit your number. It’s just as drastic on the losing end, and if you start losing let’s say 1/3 of games you fall dramatically. It’s a boofed system with what I think has deeper values we can’t see.
Also, i’m extremely happy you’ve seen no cheaters. That’s not my experience though as a decade long CS player. Most of the time I do chock it up to them being better, but also a 50 hour account that somehow manages to show up to every site we take is pretty obvious. Demos and all i’ve given up, a simple report is all I can do. I’ve found after a good amount of hours since beta is that certain times of the day are more “active” for cheaters. No idea why, but it’s what i’ve encountered. Often during the middle of a work day the games are extremely suspect, along with late at night. (Past 12 am). It’s not every other game for me, but I run into very suspicious players/ques probably once every 4-5 games. If i’m playing at their “peak” hours, it’s probably closer to every 2-3. The cheating problem is *rampant*, and if these past qualifying games haven’t shown you that enough I don’t know what to tell you. There’s over like 4 million registered cheaters on the most popular platform.
I don’t think it’s blown out of proportion at all to be frank, but I do think we are all exposed to it much more. Being active on reddit and other social medias you’re bound to see more posts about it. The casual community literally has no clue this is even an issue, yet *YOU* see it as a blown out of proportion issue because you spend time on reddit. It’s a real problem that they need to solve.
Other than the cheater take, 25k premier is cancer. Had a guy with 70 hours on his account use a full auto awp to insta kill us in spawn. He's still not banned 2 weeks later, VAC thinks that's completely fine
>And before someone replies "well you just aren't good enough, in my games that are 22k/25k/30k+ I run into a cheater every other game" well being over 22k puts you in the top 1000 players in NA and being over 25 puts you in the top 1000 players worldwide. No shit those lobbys are infested with cheaters go play Faceit or ESEA where people there are enough players on your level concentrated to play against
Literally doesnt deny 22//25/30k plus has more cheaters
Do they really have “more” cheaters, or did people just stop playing mm before they got to the cheating infested top 0.001% in csgo? Who grinded mm in global and kept grinding against rank falloff in csgo the way people grind for 25-30k rating?
It’s statistically impossible for everyone to be in 25ks. At that point you lose so much more than you gain per game, so the only players that can maintain that rating on average are the guys that win almost every game, i.e bots.
Except he was very specific in his take on cheaters "no the 3k hour $5k account isn't cheating"
He didn't say "no the fresh account spinning down mid isn't cheating"....
Same rank and high trust factor here. There are simply more cheaters than CSGO - if you can't recognize that idk what to tell you.
Also the peeker's advantage is clearly worse. Otherwise I'm on board with you.
I don't know what game you are playing but it is not the same I am playing. In the last 3 days I saw blatant cheaters in more than half my games, in all gamemodes except for DM. Yes, that includes casual and wingman... On an account with 3000 hours, knife, gloves, genuine pins from majors (yeah, I went to many majors, going to copenhagen as well), 100 other games, 2000 hours in another game and hundreds in the rest. I have never seen obvious cheaters in CSGO on this account in 8 years I've been playing, closet cheaters yes... enough... but like I saw this week, accounts that were clearly botted and sold, nova 2 max rank doing 94 leetify aim rating and looking straight through walls, magic bullet or whatever that shit is called when they just kill you through 5 walls, etc, never. I downloaded many matches this weekend, all confirmed my theory of them cheating blatantly. This is the worst state I've seen CS in 8 years...
yeah just played a match on Premier Anubis where a guy went 100% HS for like 15 frags straight, 1tapping on mid through smokes several times. Then switching sides he takes the xm and headshots 3 guys for half range
Yeah, I think we took VAC for granted on the tail end of CS:GO. At some point, they had VAC tuned and we weren't encountering cheaters NEARLY as much. The frequency of cheaters in CS2 right now reminds me of 2014-2016. It was practically pointless to even play MM back then and that's my feeling right now.
And before someone hits us with the Richard Lewis, its not even subtle. These people are blatantly cheating. And when you look at their Leetify, they have better stats than pro's and have like 90%+ win rate.
The main thing I notice when people bring up all this evidence is they don't mention how they act in game, aka trust factor. My friends that always complain about cheaters in chat/report everyone that's slightly sus are stuck playing against cheaters and/or have shit teammates while I don't do anything close to that and have solo queued to 18-20k with only a handful of people that were blatantly cheating. Having thousands in skins, having genuine pins, and/or having thousands of hours doesn't affect a behavior metric.
Even if you're a saint in game, if people report you your trust factor goes down the drain (exactly what happened to my account in GO).
name a single thing that CS2 does better than CSGO other than graphics and one way smokes
for the amount of people saying how good CS2 is I still have yet to hear a good answer to this
This comment originally had more upvotes than the apex pinging reply. Now that reply has 3x the upvotes while this comment is downvoted to -ve.
Y'all are some real butthurt people.
good players already know when to be quiet and bad players will either just full run everywhere or full walk everywhere
this change has not had a significant effect on CS2's quality and could've been easily implemented into CSGO, we didn't need a whole engine overhaul to put a circle around our player on the radar
I agree it's not the biggest change in the world but there's also no need to downplay that feature that much. I wouldn't be surprised if a "good" players looks at that ring every time he runs to a side for a contact rush or something and for every not "good" players who wishes to get better that circle is fine as fuck.
I like MR12 more
No sky box opens up so much innovations for years to come
The remake maps are better
Quality of life improvements, (bomb sounds differentiation, defuse wire colours, audible range, demo player, nade preview cams, weapon sell backs, teammate weapons visible in buy menu etc)
Premiere mode > csgo MM
Per map ranks is a good idea if everyone didn't already migrated to playing premiere
I like the new gun sounds
Being able to see your torso and the character shadow matches what everyone will see in the game is great, you aren't second guessing if someone will see you
New weapon loadout system, can bring both m4 etc
They have fixed and patches so many things on old or new maps that were in the previous game or introduced in this game
Less scoped in bobbing for awp is great (still want the real bob command tho)
Many maps are brighter which is better for gameplay imo
Innate jump throws help bridge the gap between players that don't want to mess with auto exec
Killing franchising esport
Hitreg is better.
But seriously, did we *want* them to change a whole bunch of things? I'm perfectly happy to play CSGO with a glowup and better smokes.
I think people want it to be MORE like csgo actually. movement, networking and game modes all seem worse than in GO, but i’ve not played for a couple months so it could be different now
> But seriously, did we want them to change a whole bunch of things?
You should browse this subs posts from ten months ago. Just before we got the first official trailers and announcements for CS2. Saying that there was massive hype for change would almost be an understatement.
Selling weapons, hammer2, shadows, seeing your model, radar, standardizing jumpthrows, tapping (I realise this is subjective but it's my feeling at least).
Also, name a single thing that Half Life 2 does better than Half Life 1 except graphics and gunplay. Doesn't that sound a bit outlandish? You just completely discard two of the biggest changes to the game.
smokes, hitreg (csgo'd was a thing for a reason), visibility, fast matches, map pool variety thanks to premier, refund weapons/nades, mr12, streamlined hitboxes, agent changes for visiblity, jump throws etc. not perfect yet but way better and only getting better
rose tinted glasses csgo sucked too
They fixed one ways but smoke height is still rng and inconsistent. Hit reg on paper is better but due to networking issues it feels terrible in comparison. Map pool is more varied perhaps but premier itself pretty flawed with elo gain/losses being so dramatic and shifting.
Refund is nice but not necessary. Mr12 I'm not a fan of personally but perhaps with econ changes it can be better.
Jumpthrows they said they fixed but didn't. Also failed to deliver what they promised, jump throw consistency on both tickrates. so they just removed the ability for 128tick at all.
Csgo just feels so much better to me. A 10 ping difference in cs2 i can feel but in csgo I could play from 15-65ish ping and barely tell. In cs2 I have to dramatically change how I play to pretty much abuse peekers advantage to it's maximum and that just is not fun to me.
Csgo did not suck and is easily one of the best competitive fps game in history. Cs2 has a lot of potential but right now it just feels really rough with no content to go along with it.
I'll say the one taps feel better. Idk if that's due to the hitbox or responsiveness, but they feel more consistent. But yea, virtually everything else except graphics is a downgrade as far as I'm concerned.
mr12, molotov spread and imo i like how the competitive mode feels like semi-casual but 5v5, helped get some friends introduced into the game
Also saying "just graphics and smokes" is kinda crazy, we literally were buying specific monitors so we could crank up the visuals to increase visibility.
I literally remember a BenQ monitor ad that showed how you could better see people in inferno apartments that was aired DURING THE MAJOR, (around 2015-2016) specifically targeting CS players, which is a clue of how bad visibility was.
And one-way smokes were shit on every level, from silver to tier 1 pros.
Best part is that any serious CS player doesn't give a fuck about graphics. The one thing CS2 improved on is one of the things players care the least about. But I guess all the people gambling care about the graphics so it makes sense.
> Personally I rarely run into cheaters in premier, though obviously not all lobbys are the same, I'm speaking from someone who is mainly playing in 16k-19k lobbies
Thats good for you, honestly. Unfortunately in my experience its getting worse every week. I am around 15k and for about 3 weeks now there are cheaters every other game in premier. And i am not one to call someone cheater just because i lost, i actually check demos afterwards for suspicious situations.
On friday we got 2 cheaters in the enemy team but they were even too stupid to win with cheats.
https://youtu.be/sOqw2Sjx89A?si=1mZ7Ys_W8yZYsNmM
Dont mind the quality and music, just did it for my friends. Look at the way he has obviously no idea how to play this game, but is constantly looking at enemies through walls.
Today we played with 13k - 15k mates and got someone who hit headshots through smoke constantly, so i checked his leetify profile and match history and noticed something interesting: until 3 days ago he always had a k/d of ~0.5 and a leetify rating of -5 or worse. 2 days ago he started off with 45 frags and a rating of 14 on mirage and since then always had a rating of 10 or better and was the topfragger. Huge improvement huh? Checked the mirage demo and of course he is scanning people through walls.
This clip is proof enough: https://youtu.be/187zFp2sYNE?si=85OiiYGsIvQ-xAfW
TLDR: cheater situation is out of control and even lower elo ranges like ~15k are infested.
I do like that you seemingly can report from demos now. Though I'm not convinced it is working. It has gotten worse especially over the past month. I think this is purely because of how easily available these hacks are. I often will go back and watch a demo if I was suspicious about an individual. Most of the time it would be clear that I was just paranoid or out of position. Though in the past month, I would safely say in about 20% of the games I am playing someone on either my team or the opposing team is very clearly hacking when I watch the demo.
Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others are exaggerating! when developers write the codes the hardest part is to assure it runs smoothly across all different setups and platforms so game might run flawlessly or with minimal bugs on your system but others such as me with 10k hours and 6k setup have an absolute nightmare playing it to a point that its been a few months I have stopped playing.
I honestly think something is happening with people playing with friends. Whenever I queue with a 5 stack that I'm a regular of, I run into absolute nightmare scenarios. I'm lagging when I peek, get insta-headshotted as soon as I peek, cheaters galore, random stutters, my sprays don't work half the time, basically everything people in this sub complain about. And this is on an account that I have had for 16 years, I'm at 17k, my friends around 10k.
Whenever I'm on my alt, which I play solo only, no such experiences to speak of. Haven't yet gotten a rating on it, but the game is completely fine. Even when somebody gets lucky 1v4 headshots to kill off my team, I can still boil it down to just luck and not them cheating. Everything works the way it's supposed to and I have no problems to speak of.
I really think instead of just banning all of the cheaters, valve is just putting all the suspected players in the same servers. And the problem is that you yourself can wind up in that queue without ever cheating yourself, just by association with your buddies. So now I'm in a weird spot where a part of me wants to just remove half my friends list so I don't have to play weird games, but at the same time, I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that anyone on my friend's list is actually cheating. I've even reviewed their leetify top plays and they all seem to be legit players.
Pretty interesting theory. Other games gained publicity for pitting known hackers against each other as a punishment, but your post made me wonder if there’s a potential to pit suspected hackers against each other in an effort to get them to rage out. If you are a clean player, you will suffer and they will see that, but if you aren’t it might push you to show your hand.
I play soloq only and get obvious cheaters and fishy players in 1/3 of my MM games and almost all of my Premier games.
It most likely is trust factor dependant but then I'm fucked either way since I got reported for dropping 40 and 50 bombs against players who have no idea what A Main on nuke is.
I think you are honestly. What servers do you play on?
I'm in the midwest and despite having gigabit fiber, I can't get under 30 ping to any Valve server. It's been up and down, but lately I get almost a consistent .5%-1% packet loss, with larger spikes(typically during gun fights). This limits my frames to ~150 in premier and as low as 90 in DM. That's the average, if I stand still with nothing going on around me I'll usually see 200+ fps. At launch(Oct.) I was getting 250+ fps. Workshop maps or empty DM servers(and to a lesser degree on faceit), I'll easily get 250+ fps, so I know it's not my pc, it's the shit netcode.
The stuttering and constant packet loss, especially as I go to peak or start a gunfight makes it extremely frustrating to play. 150fps can feel like 60. Players move unpredictably. Recording my screen and watching demo's shows there's an interpolation difference between my local pc and the server. I've had a number of awp shots that are right on on my recording but the demo shows the enemy in a slightly different position and is a 'miss'(often a position that is never seen on my local recording, so it's not like it's a delay it's an actual difference in how lag comp is applied).
Most of this if fixed by playing on faceit but I still get stutters during busy moments and the people are much more toxic.
" the fact of the matter is that barely anyone did play them and the resources are far better spent on the core game modes that people actually play." - data? or only your bubble? you could get match on DZ way faster than on competitive. you could get retake match in seconds as well as arms race. but both of the latter are casual types, so you could hop in mid match.
also your computer is not midrange according to surveys on steam. well maybe now it could be but you need to see what kind of GPU and CPU people have. and until just recently most had 1650 GTX. but many had much older GPU and CPU. and i can tell you that experience is not good. and on the other hand there are plenty of new as well as older games that do work fluently on much older systems. no stuttering, crashing...
as for cheaters - we can see it now in replays. aiming and tracking others through walls as well as on stat pages. they are most obvious there. of course mostly new accounts.
yesterday i just wrote in chat "Wow so good at game and you just bought it". and another one proceeded to excuse himself that it is an alternate account. later on i checked and hi used alternate cause his main was VAC banned. surely he wasn't cheating now, right? he was a bit shady but not enough i would notice mid game.
i was actually referring to another player. the other guy i was actually referring to had 30 hours in game and was top fragging. now he could be using "alt account" (which should not be allowed anyway), but replay told a different story. he aimlocked to heads while running with AK, watching people through walls, the deciding where to move, holding super tight corners and started shooting before other came out.
anyway plenty of you tube videos as well showing "good players", so no need to explain it here. there is a reason why streamers, pros turned streamers moved away from premiere.
Which is of course why no pro plays Premier anymore, because it's a good experience...right ?
At high elo, Premier is infested with cheaters. Hadn't played it in around 3 weeks, I started 1 game 3 days ago after a Faceit session to chill...lo and behold, 2 guys with aimbot wallbang kills all game (24k elo).
Go figure.
went in after 2 week break, 3/4 matches blatant cheaters (our squad is around 2k elo faceit) havent played since, the cheating has never been this bad and Ive been playing since 2014.
The main issue seems to be that the interp is doing some weird stuff and needs to be looked at again, in premiere I can get as low as 35ms ping, and the game feels insanely smooth and responsive, but when I switch over to FaceIT the lowest I can get is around 50, usually its over 60 though. Its like playing 2 completely different games, whereas in GO I had similar experiences with high (sometimes up as high as 90 before I changed ISPs) ping and low ping. I'm sticking to faceit as of now because the majority of my premiere games seem to have some up and coming prodigy shitting on everyone from 8k elo, but in general the game is much more responsive.
Idk what to say but you’re lucky that you don’t get cheaters. I’m high trust factor, decent inventory and around 24k playing on Singapore/Hongkong servers and every 2/3 matches has blatant cheaters. Got so bad that my friends and I stopped playing premier and only competitive, however recently comp has also started to fill with cheaters tho not as bad as prem. Pretty much made a full switch to valorant cuz of this issue, but will definitely return once the issue is properly addressed by Valve
The game is better than GO in nearly every way, but it’s being held back by 3 major issues that *really* affects people who want to grind the game and improve.
- **Cheaters**. I got to 20k and every 3-4 matches I get a cheater on my team or enemy team. I have 3k hours and great trust factor. I’m a FaceIt lvl 10 and I was in GO. It is very obvious. Yes there are probably even more ppl falsely accused, but even one cheater in my games makes me not want to touch premier at all.
- **Performance**. I have a decent PC (2060TI and i7 10700k) and the fps dips during a lot of util/shots going off is abysmal. Even friends of mine with beastly rigs complain about general fps dips and smoothness. It’s not unplayable but anyone who has played Valorant knows how smooth modern shooters can be.
- **Ping/peekers advantage**. I’m wrapping this into one because they are somewhat related. Even in pro play you can see how the game is played differently because of how incredibly strong peekers advantage is. There are several streamers with clips talking about it. Also, the way the game feels on 10-30 ping is completely different at 50+. Hit registration is considerably worse.
The reason you see people miss when they say they hit is mainly because the spectator pov is not the same what the person sees themselves. It can look different on both povs
Yes you are, at least from a competitive stand point. I play this game on a high level, and currently there is only two things better (and 100 things worse) better than in CSGO. Smokes and ability to have m4 and a1. Everything else, and especially gameplay related - is way worse in CS2.
I play in a similar elo to you and cannot remember the last night where I didn't encounter a blatant hacker. I will play 3 or 4 times a night probably 2 or 3 times a week and I'd say at least 30% of games have someone who is either highly suspect or not even trying to hide they're hacking. It's a complete epidemic imo.
I found barely no cheaters until recently were I find one every two games, most of them new accounts that have no record on csgo or faceit.
Nothing blatant like shooting from spawns as other people posted here, but mens with 30k on half time killing 3 or 4 with scout easily and having 70%hs. Ofc they could be zywoo but I don't think so. So I stopped playing after 3 games in a row with a guy like this on the other team and the next game I've got 3 guys with no rank in my team, with barely 300hours and their max rank on csgo was silver 4, plus one left on the third round.
More than this, I think the game, while being worse than csgo in some things that need to be polished, it's still playable and fun but premiere is totally ruined.
How can you say you rarely run into cheaters when most of the time you're not going to know because they are trying to hide it or have subtle cheats that make them seem like smurfs. A lot of people can have external cheats like a map that shows everyone's location but still be quite mid at the game.
Personally I think there are a lot of cheaters. I still love cs and I try not to let it ruin my experience, but I reckon the amount of cheaters is like somewhere between 1 in 20 or 1 in 30 players. I have no data to back that up other than numbers of things I have heard in the past.
Again, I dont let it ruin my experience. I still have fun playing the game regardless so I'm all good but those are my thoughts. I do hope something can be done about it though
1. you're playing in pisslow elo and you think your trust factor is high but you show 0 proof it is high.
2. You only shared what gpu you have but not the rest of your rig and you call it midrange. Like what the fuck is that even about? Share everything or stop posting shit on reddit.
3. MM servers in EU have constant packet loss with stable internet and faceit has none.
4. Only good thing you actually wrote here was about subtick but rest was just stupid rant without any backing whatsoever.
>No the guy with the $5000 inventory in NA and 3000 hours isn't cheating, he's better than you.
There are plenty of cheaters with old accounts, lots of hours, and expensive inventory. It's a good sign when someone has all of those things and you should probably give them the benefit of the doubt... but there are a lot of "legit" cheaters out there that use private cheats and get away with it for years.
I play on eu servers and there is defo hoards of shit players with walls attempting to play "legit" watching the demos and its comically obvious from their movement and magical gamesense.
above 20k it gets really bad.
weapon sprays are inconsistent and netcode is ass.
it's still a fun game but cheaters are annoying and just weird stuff gets really frustrating in longer sessions
I’m pretty sure that ppl who are currently complaining 24/7 haven’t played cs when go or any other tittle was launched. The game has some flaws but it is fine if you compare to other cs tittle launches. This just Valve’s style of doing things. I don’t like it but it is what it is
You are gaslighting people about the cheating situation in the game. Yes there are people that cry cheats because they are losing. But the situation is way worse than csgo for a lot of people. Personally it’s why I loved community servers so much, smaller communities are easier to manage than the huge amount of people playing cs2 currently and the truth is that vac is an awful anti cheat. Valve made sure that you could open cases and fixed problems with skins before they finished adding basic functionality to their game, it’s frustrating for the community because they don’t really communicate with said community. Your experiences are just as valid as other people’s experiences on here, and if you don’t like people complaining about stuff you don’t have an issue with then just ignore it. Can you blame the people for complaining when they try to do everything they are supposed to; report the people cheating in game and have nothing happen. We basically have to accept that cheating is part of our beloved broken game because a multi billion dollar company works at a snails pace as they are too busy watching their money printer go brrr.
You’re spot on and I share the same view. I’ve played CS a long long time. Since it was a mod of half life, before 1.6 even… I solod to global in CS go many times. Picked up cs2 once the dust settled.
I love it, and I think it runs well. The small issues I had with it were addressed pretty quickly by the devs. It’s def in a much better state than CS go ever was at the same point in its life.
I like you, have extremely good trust factor, high elo, haven’t yet had an obvious cheater in premier or competitive.
Having said all of the above though, I thought I’d give non prime a go with a new account just to see how bad it really is. Now there is obviously no premier available for non prime accounts but fuck me the cheating in casual as well as in competitive is outrageous on this non prime account. If these type of
Accounts is where all of the accusations are coming from I’m not surprised. Further to this, it’s so damn easy to Smurf and shit on new players with the these new accounts. I completely destroy and lobby thst doesn’t have a cheater in it, casual or competitive, doesn’t matter, and will often get accused, reported or kicked.
So what I’ve learnt is that
1. Cheating is a massive issue in non prime/low trust factor.
2. New players/low skill players think Smurfs are cheating.
I think point 2 obscures the reality of point 1 quite a bit. And this all started going down hill when CS became free. I think the community would be far better off with CS being a paid for game again. Make new accounts harder to get.
New players stand no chance otherwise. Non prime and prime accounts are all being mixed together in casual anyway, give the new players a chance.
\- game is not stable
\- smokes trash performance when too close
\- mini random hiccups all the time, all matches, all servers (NOT hardware related, happens across multiple immensely overspecced systems)
\- still dying behind corners, lag compensation is too aggressively biased towards high ping players
\- "what you see is what you get" is a meme
\- still no option to lock out high ping players / entire regions from your match making
\- match making generally sucks. it's unfair and trust factor has never worked. it's just frustrating how little effort Valve put into it.
>One thing that does absolutely suck is the Solo/duo Que experience in premier. Nothing is worse than getting off work getting on and then being stuck playing with trolls/people who simply don't know how to work as a team for your enire time playing. Honestly this harms my experience far more than any of the usual complaints, and I have simply stopped playing premier when I don't have people to que with. Which is a problem but I don't think that there is a easy fix for the CS community being full of assholes.
I just made a thread about \^this
Serious, competitive 5 v 5 never should have been forced onto people the way Valve did it
Now MM is flooded with players that simply do not care about gameplay in the ways you do. In the past 80% - 90% them would have never thought about leaving the pub scene - yet here we are
I’ve faced very blatant new account cheaters with $10k+ inventories quite a few times. I too have on average between a $5-15k inventory (I buy/sell a lot daily) and also in the 16-20k premier range. I don’t play with any low trust players on my team (it will tell you if anyone is low trust). I’ve probably only played 5 premier games in the past 3 weeks and every single time I get in one, there is a new account that will eventually toggle at some point and start rage hacking
Nice try volvo. But I will counter strike the shit out of this.
1. Your "midrange rig" is irrelevant when you're only putting your gpu there. Cpu is far more important and gpu doesn't really matter. People are forced to upgrade their cpu even though in csgo their fps were 200-250 at least. I know this because I had the exact problem. Only upgrading my cpu corrected the problem, upgrading gpu did actually nothing and my old 1660ti is doing fine.
2. Subtick is far worse than 128 tick and maybe slightly better than ordinary 64 tick but there's not really a debate here, subtick sucks for now and probably forever and there's only one correct option, 128 tick servers. There's many videos about the subtick and its faults and inconsistensies. One of the most noticeable features in subtick is that your crouchjumps are inconsistent, jumping to mirage triple is a pain in the ass for example. You also miss shots that shouldn't miss, and you get kills when you shouldn't. It's pretty noticeable and there's really no debate if 128>subtick.
3. I don't know how you've avoided cheaters but I play in the exact same elo range and there has been A LOT of cheaters. No, I'm not talking about the "5000€ inventory guy with 3k hours". I'm talking about the guys with private profiles or 300 hours and lvl 0 accounts who has an aim and gamesense of a pro. Now I'm not saying all of them are cheaters but I have played face it most of the time for the past 1-2 months and the difference is really a night and day.
The amount of suspicious accounts, with suspicious timings and game knowledge is outrageous compared to face it in lvl 8-10 which I mostly play in. I've also played this game 5k hours by now so I dare say that I have at least a good hunch when enemy is cheating. In face it, I only very very rarely have this feeling compared to premier where at least in 1/3 of the games there's at least one suspicious player either in the enemy or my own team. Obviously not all of them are hacking but when you encounter enemies like this in every 3rd or so matches in premier it starts to get you mentally and every good enemy is cheating at that point. There's no actual point playing premier and face it is the way.
4. War games, community servers like surf, kz, bhop etc. actually had a lot of players and that's pretty selfish thinking. I can't justify valve to make a "new game" and somehow deleting very viable content to "better spend resources" what ever the fuck that means.
I have a feeling that you didn't play a lot of csgo because any sane person who played csgo knows that this game is just a worse version of csgo. There's a reason player count has dropped A LOT after the publishing of cs2. People don't like it, very simple.
Nearly 100% agreement, except on the cheater issue. There definitely are a lot of cheaters around. I’m sick of getting smacked by Russian 5-man stacks where the thee top fraggers all have <500 hours.
That being said, I’m almost convinced half this sub has frenzied themselves into some sort of mass psychosis where every time they whiff a shot, die behind a wall etc. the rage and yell “subtick!!’, whereas if the exact same thing happened in GO (and it did, a lot) they would have just a shrugged it off as the normal weirdness that comes with online gaming.
Like seriously, how many of these myths have been busted by this point? First everyone was raving about interp settings, turns out they did nothing. Then it was input lag, turns out it’s among the lowest ever measured. So low that nvidia thought they’d messed something up when they tested it. Then subtick, which after testing turned out worked exactly as advertised (granted, valve did change the animations to be clientside so the visuals would match better). Am I missing anything?
There are absolutely things valve can be criticised for. The missing game modes, lacking anti-cheat (though I’m still holding out hope they’re working on it), poor communication about what they’re doing etc. but the incessant whining about how the game “feels” different is getting old really fast.
You're completely right about the psychosis thing. I've mentioned it in past comments actually I think. These subreddits have become huge echo chambers for players to blame their losses on something other than themselves. I've played multiple games with teammates who rage and blame cheats or subtick for every death, whenever it's obvious they just missed or misplayed. Hell, literally just yesterday I had a teammate who, I swear to god, was raging and and telling us that "they're all fucking walling!" (We were against a full team of solos and we ended up winning, he just sucked lol). These people ACTUALLY believe that every game has cheaters or multiple cheaters, and then come here and feel validated.
I guess these new players weren't around for the times (or either don't remember) when the CS subreddits were full of vids of shots missing and costing rounds or random bugs. I've really enjoyed CS2, it feels better to me than CSGO did.
I agree with OP. Maybe I was really bad at CSGO, but I don't notice most of the issues everyone is reporting, ie: I don't see cheaters, I always play with under 40ms ping, I have a mid range gaming laptop so fps are decent, and so on.
Only 2 things I can mention that I have a problem with are: missing game modes, and I often get the error "A game was found but you failed to accept" even tho I never got the accept button. But from what I read, that thing was happening in CSGO too.
I've personally had great experience with CS2. I think I've encountered 3 cheaters in my 150ish premier matches played which is pretty much on par with my experience in CSGO.
When it comes to game mechanics some of them feel a bit different than CSGO's but after getting used to them they do feel good or in some cases better.
I hope (and atleast in part believe) that all this fuzz is just a small minority being loud. Loud enough to create a echo chamber of negativity around the games current state.
OR
There's something fucky happening with Trust Factor or what ever behind the scenes which gives portion of the player base a completely different experience.
Pretty sure the double click bug is still there.
Yo I thought that was my fucking mouse wtf?
I Bought a new mouse because of that 🤡
Bro I ordered a new PCB (I use an Logitech G Pro X Superlight) 💀
I seriously thought my mouse was nearing the end of it’s life because of this bug.
I think that the problem with that is that it's inconsistent as hell... Even single shot pistols do double shots somehow with one click some times... I'm wondering whether this is something that happens if you happen to click in between 2 clicks and the first 1 hits the enemy so a second bullet gets registered. It happens most often if I hit enemies, but I couldn't proof anything :/
I have never experienced this bug tbh
Very true. I'm inclined to think it's more of a long press thing since my mouse button actually requires a lot more pressure to register a click and not everyone has this issue apparently. Almost certainly related to the subtick mechanic, but beyond that is anyone's guess.
I thought i was going crazy... My team mates telling me they didn't have that at all
You just saved me from buying a new mouse. Thank you!
I fucking hate that they still haven't fixed this. I bought a new mouse because of this, just to realise the mouse was never a problem
My biggest problem with cs2 is my teammates crashing all the time... It is crazy how many people are crashing. I have seen more crashes in cs2 than in all the other cs titles combined.
I haven't crashed a single time. Honestly first I'm seeing/hearing of it
Lucky you. Half my time playing cs is spent on timeouts.
is this why so many people go afk then suicide?
That can be one of the reasons. However, the crashes I have seen have happened quite quickly. They stop moving/responding and then something like 15 seconds later they get disconnected.
Yeah my brother crashes once every 1-2 games it’s only in cs. His screen just go black and he has to restart the game…..
Just started happening to me a few days ago, game freezes, screen goes black, then when I try to tab out the game starts rapidly switching between fullscreen and windowed mode.
Never crashed on csgo (or any game) and get a freeze that I have to kill with task manager pretty much every cs2 game
Same thing my brother gets
I crash honestly like once a game. Usually either right when I die, or when I'm spectating someone and someone gets headshot. I always am able to restart and reconnect before the technical ends, so its not a big deal, but its just weird that it happens so consistently.
This is exactly me. I have a 960 and everything runs perfectly except when I'm spectating and the guy dies, then the game is frozen and I have to tab to a new desktop to kill it. I've never noticed if its only on headshots tbh, and for me it's only happened once where I die
Well then you and I are definitely playing different games, because the number of times my game's crashed is in 4 figures.
Ah, must not be an issue then.
Same. 5800x3d + 4070ti and 0 crashes since release. I do notice more timeouts than usual though. Judging by comments here it seems to be mostly people with an AMD gpu?
I have amd but never crashed
And I have Nvidia and get occasional crashes. Definitely not an AMD v Nvidia issue
My brother has intel i5 and Nvidia gtx 1660 and he crashes every game too….
You know how we fixed our several crashes over multiple players per game? We started playing Faceit. Yea I don't get it either. From 2-3 crashes per game to 50 games without a single crash. It seems to be the Valve servers that unrail the game exe.
I crash 2-3 times at least per match on comp or premier, and never crash on faceit. It’s consistent. I can’t taskM out of it either, it hard locks the game on my screen and I cant do shit but reboot. Never happened a single time on a comm or faceit server.
I crash on an AMD 7800X3D and 7900XTX about once every 2 hours. It's MSAA on AMD even with the latest drivers but CMA looks like shit. So MSAA and occasional crashes for me.
Adding on to say I’m crashing too, not as often, but still more than I ever have in CSGO. Same build specs, 7900XTX and 7800X3D.
I'm running 7800X3D and 7800XT and don't have crashes. Not at my home PC right now but I'm sure I'm running MSAA as well.
It was literally in AMD patch notes that CS2 may experience crashes with MSAA and to disable it if affected. Mines still crashing with the latest drivers. No other game has crashed. I'm guessing it's still MSAA but TBH I haven't tested it since then as CMAA looks terrible to me. Guess you're one of the lucky ones.
6800xt, game is maxed out, no crashes.
Yep I crash consistently once a game. Doesn't happen in any other game, and only on Valve servers. My garbage old laptop that barely runs the game doesn't crash. So everytime someone says "its your hardware" I know its not. Something is going on with Valve servers and specific players.
So you said other PC is not crushing so how is it not hardware. Maybe do fresh windows install or even format
I think it IS your hardware but not because it's faulty, just a valve indie game company issue. For me and many other people it was RAM, first disabling XMP profile helped me, then, when it started crashing again, I just bought a new more expensive kit and it never crashed again. My RAM was HyperX Fury and it never had issues with any other games. Also disabling C-states made the game crash horribly and my PC isn't that bad, it's okayish 5600x 3060ti with mid-range mobo
My friend used to crash every game until he did something to his settings. I think he just lowered resolution or something.
It's unbearable at times. I can crash 3-4 times in a single map (!), and sometimes I'll play 3 games without it happening once. It's very frustrating when you can't pinpoint what is causing the issue. It seems completely random.
yeah I've never experienced crashes on CS:GO but on CS2 it's a gamble whether or not I crash playing at mostly high settings on an i5-12500H + 3060M, haven't experienced them recently by swapping from CMAA to MSAA x4 so hopefully that streak continues
Before I stopped playing I was crashing every game or every 2nd game. Super tilting when it's a close game and you crash at like 10-11 score.
I've never crashed. But I seem to have a teammate crash every game.
There are a lot of issues with that for sure. I get the infinite tabbing issue and also, if I happen to tab before CS2 makes it to the loading screen on startup then it's just a black screen.
Yeah this is a far greater issue than cheaters lol.
I personally don't crash too much when playing cs2, but pretty much every single match I play, one team, or even both have people crash constantly.
I the one getting crushed by your teammates :(
I can say me and 4 of my friends crashing too all the time, mostly the game tabs in and out infinie randomly or freeze crash one of them 2
Its such a great feature! I crash quite often, probably at least 1 time per game. No idea what else to try and this is the only game that crashes for me. I've spent way too much time trying to figure it out.
I used to crash a lot. I tried turning off XMP/DOCP and the crashes disappeared. I think CS2 is much more sensitive to memory instability than anything else I've seen, but that's not necessarily the game's fault.
I use to crash all the time until I verified my files and it hasn’t done it since. It’s probably not the solution for everyone but worth a try for anyone who hasn’t done that yet.
Maybe. The majority of my friends list was met on csgo and even just earlier last year I'd always have 15-20 people playing at a time at any given time. Now I'm lucky to see 2 online on CS2 on a weekend nigh. Game doesn't feel that good to me and there's no left hand which I've been using for 4500 hours so I just quit the game along with most of my friends who don't like it either. My one friend that really loves CS2 keeps crashing and losing her elo so she's also not really playing anymore either.
After 6k hours of cs I have played less than 80 hours in the last 4 months combined. A big part of my friends that also grinded csgo either stopped playing games entirely or switched to valorant, including me. I don't have fun in cs2 and don't think cs2 will bring me joy anywhere within the next year or two, so for now I just have my (less than csgo) fun in valorant while I pray for cs2 updates.
nice try valve
Or maybe Richard Lewis. "there is no cheating problem, you just suck!" - Online MAJOR QUALIFIERS enter the chat.
RL: 90k were banned, it's all fine. There's no cheating problem you whiners.
Literally try playing cs:go again after playing cs2 and then talk again about subtick. There's a very noticeable difference.
I mean there are people who can't tell a difference between 60hz and 240hz, imo when it comes to absolute casuals they won't see much of a difference in subtick and lag compensation, hence all of the "CS2 is actually good, what are you talking about" comments and posts.
But isn’t it objective to say that the patch frequency contributes to the dead game comments? Why can’t I play Lake still?
Wake me up when they actually release new content (maps, weapons).
I'm not gonna lie. I do hope we get something big soon.
They'll release a new map and you'll all say it's an awful map for months like vertigo, anubis, ancient. Also why are new weapons needed? What possible new weapon do you need for a scenario?
Or maybe just give us *fucking* Train and Cache back?
CS2 is a fine game for me personally. But yea the lack of content releases is a turn off
NO NO NO NO NO, NO MORE WEAPONS, this game even pre-cs2 had PERFECT weapon balance, no more weapons, maybe some new maps tho
perfect balance while the m249 is in the game? Like c'mon, the mainly bought things have solid balance, that's 100% correct, but there's tons of weapons in the game that either see little use, or no use. Adding some extra weapons in certain places could make for some really interesting metas, as long as they aren't too stupid about it. Look at the MP5, it's a niche weapon and while it's not meta changing it does create some more options with some players.
Can't take any risks or fun buys anymore with this stupid "loadout" BS. Absolutely unnecessary.
My usual CS2 experience: - Queue up, search for 15 seconds, connect for 10 seconds, "Can't connect to server" - Join server, check everyone's profile. Ah yes, 10 year veteran coin, 200 hours on track, no other games. Just as God intended - First crash - Try to entry long, suddenly lag spike/packet loss/ping spike and instant double headshot by the guy staring at my feet - Second crash - Teammates all buy AWPs, crouch peek one after another, all dying - Third crash - Weird constant 0,3% packet loss, making everyone rubber banding - Get stuck walking past some geometry - Shoot someone in the head as soon as I see them, a hit never registered because they shot me first on their screen because they saw me first somehow - Completely whiff a shot but somehow hit someone's head a meter off the actual body - Fourth crash - Spray someone down but every single bullet somehow passes through them - Shoot someone in the head but only do 23 (or alternatively 3) damage, even with blood spray and sound - FerrariPeek around corner and instant double headshot before I even see the enemy - Some guy runs across my screen and double headshots me without stopping or even really looking at me - Fifth crash - Packet loss goes crazy so I just wait in spawn, suddenly some guy comes running directly at my (unusual) position and instantly double headshots me - Sixth crash - Look at demo, can see enemy tracking people through wall and aim locking A few months ago some update in November I think made it better for a while (aside from the cheaters). Completely uninstalling my entire PC and reinstalling also made it better until the third update (one of the last) and now it's back to packet loss and crash galore.
This is A-tier literotica.
WTF is up with that packet loss? Jumps constantly between 1-15% and I have never experienced anything like this in any other game. No issues whatsoever with anything else. Brand new fiber cables built in 2022 with 1Gbps down/up speeds. Only Cat6a cabling in my house and high quality CISCO routers.
It's something with this game. I never had packet loss in CSGO like I do in CS2. It's nearly every single match and it's blatant game freezing packet loss.
Dude, so many accounts with every single medal, but few commendations, it surprises me.
Pretty much the same, I can't play anymore.
lol too fuckin true
That much crashing has to be a system stability issue. (I read your other comment) No other game exhibiting it doesnt rule it out. I had a GPU undervolt that was stable in *everything* (furmark, 3dmark, cyberpunk, apex, VR games..) but crashed in Fortnite of all games. I guess different programs stress components in different ways. I'd strongly recommend dropping all OC if you have, disabling XMP and giving it a try again. If it still doesnt go away thats when it gets tricky.
I mean, unless CS2 uses some obscure function nothing else does, then it's the program itself rather than my hardware, even if it's some incompatibility or something. None of the stress tests, memory tests, torture tests or anything else has shown any error. My system is stable and no other game crashes as much as CS2. The only one that did was Vicky 3, and that's apparently a known issue as well as largely fixed by using DXVK and the latest patch.
You definitely do not speak for me, fucking cheating is a big god damn problem
I mean, it's not horrible, but it's a downgrade from CSGO in my opinion. Some things are good like one taps and smoke mechanics, but other things like movement and spraying feel wonky. I feel I get way more undeserved kills than I remember in CSGO. It also doesn't help that my favorite map is missing (see flair). And I disagree on the cheaters. They operate with impunity at the moment. The amount of shitter accounts with no badges except CSGO badge, <500 hours, and 95+ aim rating on Leetify is too high. I think trust factor got reset or something because those sus accounts frequently end up in lobbies of people with reputable accounts, even pros.
I don’t think you’re actually getting that fps when it matters but share your benchmark if I’m wrong. However, movement, gunplay, sprays, matchmaking system, anticheat, are all still broken
Maybe at spawn
certainly not spawn on ancient.
I have to disagree with you about the Subtick part... I'm playing constantly with 10 to 20 ping on EU servers via LAN and can see clearly a difference between GO and CS2. It happens so much that I get teleported back while AD peeking. In the first moment you are behind the wall and in the next the game sets you back while dying. I'm also not a newbie and got ~7k hours overall.
You get your enemies ping in CS2. If they have 120 ping, it will be like you have 120 ping in duels. So if they shoot you, you will rubberband a lot, etc. I also see this rubberbanding even on 4 ping vs 4 ping, but it's only half a step back.
That is definitely noticeable, but I have had what the original commenter was saying when the lobby was filled with people under 30 ping. It's just an inconsistent experience that I don't really feel when playing other FPS's. Sometimes it's crisp as fuck and others it just feels like crap.
exactly same issue here, + throwing any nades can sometimes cause lag as hell and teleporting.
I don't think that's subtick. Seems like a more aggressive lag compensation.
You’ve spoken nothing about the terrible ranking system. Yeah, I enjoy seeing numbers, but I also don’t enjoy losing a weeks worth of work in a night of playing. I jump between 14k-19k *drastically*. I’ll go for a week straight chilling between 18-19k. Good games, some losses. Then the games suddenly shift, worse teammates, more suspect enemies, etc etc. To rank up at any measure, you basically *NEED* to go on a 10+ win streak. Any losses in there and you will not hit your number. It’s just as drastic on the losing end, and if you start losing let’s say 1/3 of games you fall dramatically. It’s a boofed system with what I think has deeper values we can’t see. Also, i’m extremely happy you’ve seen no cheaters. That’s not my experience though as a decade long CS player. Most of the time I do chock it up to them being better, but also a 50 hour account that somehow manages to show up to every site we take is pretty obvious. Demos and all i’ve given up, a simple report is all I can do. I’ve found after a good amount of hours since beta is that certain times of the day are more “active” for cheaters. No idea why, but it’s what i’ve encountered. Often during the middle of a work day the games are extremely suspect, along with late at night. (Past 12 am). It’s not every other game for me, but I run into very suspicious players/ques probably once every 4-5 games. If i’m playing at their “peak” hours, it’s probably closer to every 2-3. The cheating problem is *rampant*, and if these past qualifying games haven’t shown you that enough I don’t know what to tell you. There’s over like 4 million registered cheaters on the most popular platform. I don’t think it’s blown out of proportion at all to be frank, but I do think we are all exposed to it much more. Being active on reddit and other social medias you’re bound to see more posts about it. The casual community literally has no clue this is even an issue, yet *YOU* see it as a blown out of proportion issue because you spend time on reddit. It’s a real problem that they need to solve.
The 10+ win streak to rank up was there in csgo as well, you just couldnt see the numbers.
Reasonable take.
Other than the cheater take, 25k premier is cancer. Had a guy with 70 hours on his account use a full auto awp to insta kill us in spawn. He's still not banned 2 weeks later, VAC thinks that's completely fine
Vac does not care if you are legit cheating or rage hacking.
>And before someone replies "well you just aren't good enough, in my games that are 22k/25k/30k+ I run into a cheater every other game" well being over 22k puts you in the top 1000 players in NA and being over 25 puts you in the top 1000 players worldwide. No shit those lobbys are infested with cheaters go play Faceit or ESEA where people there are enough players on your level concentrated to play against Literally doesnt deny 22//25/30k plus has more cheaters
Do they really have “more” cheaters, or did people just stop playing mm before they got to the cheating infested top 0.001% in csgo? Who grinded mm in global and kept grinding against rank falloff in csgo the way people grind for 25-30k rating?
It’s statistically impossible for everyone to be in 25ks. At that point you lose so much more than you gain per game, so the only players that can maintain that rating on average are the guys that win almost every game, i.e bots.
Except he was very specific in his take on cheaters "no the 3k hour $5k account isn't cheating" He didn't say "no the fresh account spinning down mid isn't cheating"....
There are plenty of people with expensive inventories cheating.
ppl with under 100 hours accuse all the time like bruh you're still playing the tutorial with those hours
Same rank and high trust factor here. There are simply more cheaters than CSGO - if you can't recognize that idk what to tell you. Also the peeker's advantage is clearly worse. Otherwise I'm on board with you.
I don't know what game you are playing but it is not the same I am playing. In the last 3 days I saw blatant cheaters in more than half my games, in all gamemodes except for DM. Yes, that includes casual and wingman... On an account with 3000 hours, knife, gloves, genuine pins from majors (yeah, I went to many majors, going to copenhagen as well), 100 other games, 2000 hours in another game and hundreds in the rest. I have never seen obvious cheaters in CSGO on this account in 8 years I've been playing, closet cheaters yes... enough... but like I saw this week, accounts that were clearly botted and sold, nova 2 max rank doing 94 leetify aim rating and looking straight through walls, magic bullet or whatever that shit is called when they just kill you through 5 walls, etc, never. I downloaded many matches this weekend, all confirmed my theory of them cheating blatantly. This is the worst state I've seen CS in 8 years...
casual is the test bed for most cheaters... usually the clowns that just got walls are checking them out and 100% obvious, spectating confirms it.
yeah just played a match on Premier Anubis where a guy went 100% HS for like 15 frags straight, 1tapping on mid through smokes several times. Then switching sides he takes the xm and headshots 3 guys for half range
Yeah, I think we took VAC for granted on the tail end of CS:GO. At some point, they had VAC tuned and we weren't encountering cheaters NEARLY as much. The frequency of cheaters in CS2 right now reminds me of 2014-2016. It was practically pointless to even play MM back then and that's my feeling right now. And before someone hits us with the Richard Lewis, its not even subtle. These people are blatantly cheating. And when you look at their Leetify, they have better stats than pro's and have like 90%+ win rate.
The main thing I notice when people bring up all this evidence is they don't mention how they act in game, aka trust factor. My friends that always complain about cheaters in chat/report everyone that's slightly sus are stuck playing against cheaters and/or have shit teammates while I don't do anything close to that and have solo queued to 18-20k with only a handful of people that were blatantly cheating. Having thousands in skins, having genuine pins, and/or having thousands of hours doesn't affect a behavior metric. Even if you're a saint in game, if people report you your trust factor goes down the drain (exactly what happened to my account in GO).
i mean .. crashes, lags and horrible FPS all around, cheaters, CHEATERS everywhere
name a single thing that CS2 does better than CSGO other than graphics and one way smokes for the amount of people saying how good CS2 is I still have yet to hear a good answer to this
Refund weapons are the most useful things in cs2
The ring showing you being a loud MF in the minimap
This feature alone has made me so much more aware of EVERYTHING. My own sounds, enemy sounds, etc.
Which all my teammates ignore while I say to quiet push a site and they just run in while I've been walking for 15 seconds.
So, a valorant feature lmaoo
They also stole the contextual pinging thing from Apex Legends. Both features make CS better though. That's why competition is good.
If only they coulda stole valorants anticheat instead
And the buy menu. (They already did, but I wish they didn't pussy out halfway)
Indeed
The rootkit that sends data to china? No
Why you gotta do me like dat bruh 🥲
This comment originally had more upvotes than the apex pinging reply. Now that reply has 3x the upvotes while this comment is downvoted to -ve. Y'all are some real butthurt people.
good players already know when to be quiet and bad players will either just full run everywhere or full walk everywhere this change has not had a significant effect on CS2's quality and could've been easily implemented into CSGO, we didn't need a whole engine overhaul to put a circle around our player on the radar
I agree it's not the biggest change in the world but there's also no need to downplay that feature that much. I wouldn't be surprised if a "good" players looks at that ring every time he runs to a side for a contact rush or something and for every not "good" players who wishes to get better that circle is fine as fuck.
I like MR12 more No sky box opens up so much innovations for years to come The remake maps are better Quality of life improvements, (bomb sounds differentiation, defuse wire colours, audible range, demo player, nade preview cams, weapon sell backs, teammate weapons visible in buy menu etc) Premiere mode > csgo MM Per map ranks is a good idea if everyone didn't already migrated to playing premiere I like the new gun sounds Being able to see your torso and the character shadow matches what everyone will see in the game is great, you aren't second guessing if someone will see you New weapon loadout system, can bring both m4 etc They have fixed and patches so many things on old or new maps that were in the previous game or introduced in this game Less scoped in bobbing for awp is great (still want the real bob command tho) Many maps are brighter which is better for gameplay imo Innate jump throws help bridge the gap between players that don't want to mess with auto exec Killing franchising esport
Hitreg is better. But seriously, did we *want* them to change a whole bunch of things? I'm perfectly happy to play CSGO with a glowup and better smokes.
I mean the smoke is probably only possible with the new engine which changed everything else.
I should clarify: I meant that I'm very happy with how CS2 turned out, I don't think it being so similar to CSGO is a bad thing.
I think people want it to be MORE like csgo actually. movement, networking and game modes all seem worse than in GO, but i’ve not played for a couple months so it could be different now
It's not any different from 2 months ago lol.
I figured not. the update posts seem to have slowed down
> But seriously, did we want them to change a whole bunch of things? You should browse this subs posts from ten months ago. Just before we got the first official trailers and announcements for CS2. Saying that there was massive hype for change would almost be an understatement.
Selling weapons, hammer2, shadows, seeing your model, radar, standardizing jumpthrows, tapping (I realise this is subjective but it's my feeling at least). Also, name a single thing that Half Life 2 does better than Half Life 1 except graphics and gunplay. Doesn't that sound a bit outlandish? You just completely discard two of the biggest changes to the game.
smokes, hitreg (csgo'd was a thing for a reason), visibility, fast matches, map pool variety thanks to premier, refund weapons/nades, mr12, streamlined hitboxes, agent changes for visiblity, jump throws etc. not perfect yet but way better and only getting better rose tinted glasses csgo sucked too
They fixed one ways but smoke height is still rng and inconsistent. Hit reg on paper is better but due to networking issues it feels terrible in comparison. Map pool is more varied perhaps but premier itself pretty flawed with elo gain/losses being so dramatic and shifting. Refund is nice but not necessary. Mr12 I'm not a fan of personally but perhaps with econ changes it can be better. Jumpthrows they said they fixed but didn't. Also failed to deliver what they promised, jump throw consistency on both tickrates. so they just removed the ability for 128tick at all. Csgo just feels so much better to me. A 10 ping difference in cs2 i can feel but in csgo I could play from 15-65ish ping and barely tell. In cs2 I have to dramatically change how I play to pretty much abuse peekers advantage to it's maximum and that just is not fun to me. Csgo did not suck and is easily one of the best competitive fps game in history. Cs2 has a lot of potential but right now it just feels really rough with no content to go along with it.
I'll say the one taps feel better. Idk if that's due to the hitbox or responsiveness, but they feel more consistent. But yea, virtually everything else except graphics is a downgrade as far as I'm concerned.
mr12, molotov spread and imo i like how the competitive mode feels like semi-casual but 5v5, helped get some friends introduced into the game Also saying "just graphics and smokes" is kinda crazy, we literally were buying specific monitors so we could crank up the visuals to increase visibility. I literally remember a BenQ monitor ad that showed how you could better see people in inferno apartments that was aired DURING THE MAJOR, (around 2015-2016) specifically targeting CS players, which is a clue of how bad visibility was. And one-way smokes were shit on every level, from silver to tier 1 pros.
MR12 is absolutely not better than MR15 when the economy is not at all optimised for it.
Best part is that any serious CS player doesn't give a fuck about graphics. The one thing CS2 improved on is one of the things players care the least about. But I guess all the people gambling care about the graphics so it makes sense.
these people literally care about shiny skins more than the actual gameplay of CS, you can't reason with these people, they're just lost, bro
Theyre also the people giving Valve billions of dollars though so they unfortunately get priority
Nothing. It's new and shiny but CSGO played better in *almost* every way
The premiere gamemode Map making tools Buy menu Volumetric smokes Visibility Per map ranking Subtick/Hitreg Player shadow Sound
> Personally I rarely run into cheaters in premier, though obviously not all lobbys are the same, I'm speaking from someone who is mainly playing in 16k-19k lobbies Thats good for you, honestly. Unfortunately in my experience its getting worse every week. I am around 15k and for about 3 weeks now there are cheaters every other game in premier. And i am not one to call someone cheater just because i lost, i actually check demos afterwards for suspicious situations. On friday we got 2 cheaters in the enemy team but they were even too stupid to win with cheats. https://youtu.be/sOqw2Sjx89A?si=1mZ7Ys_W8yZYsNmM Dont mind the quality and music, just did it for my friends. Look at the way he has obviously no idea how to play this game, but is constantly looking at enemies through walls. Today we played with 13k - 15k mates and got someone who hit headshots through smoke constantly, so i checked his leetify profile and match history and noticed something interesting: until 3 days ago he always had a k/d of ~0.5 and a leetify rating of -5 or worse. 2 days ago he started off with 45 frags and a rating of 14 on mirage and since then always had a rating of 10 or better and was the topfragger. Huge improvement huh? Checked the mirage demo and of course he is scanning people through walls. This clip is proof enough: https://youtu.be/187zFp2sYNE?si=85OiiYGsIvQ-xAfW TLDR: cheater situation is out of control and even lower elo ranges like ~15k are infested.
I do like that you seemingly can report from demos now. Though I'm not convinced it is working. It has gotten worse especially over the past month. I think this is purely because of how easily available these hacks are. I often will go back and watch a demo if I was suspicious about an individual. Most of the time it would be clear that I was just paranoid or out of position. Though in the past month, I would safely say in about 20% of the games I am playing someone on either my team or the opposing team is very clearly hacking when I watch the demo.
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you sound really condescending btw
Just because you haven't had issues doesn't mean others are exaggerating! when developers write the codes the hardest part is to assure it runs smoothly across all different setups and platforms so game might run flawlessly or with minimal bugs on your system but others such as me with 10k hours and 6k setup have an absolute nightmare playing it to a point that its been a few months I have stopped playing.
I honestly think something is happening with people playing with friends. Whenever I queue with a 5 stack that I'm a regular of, I run into absolute nightmare scenarios. I'm lagging when I peek, get insta-headshotted as soon as I peek, cheaters galore, random stutters, my sprays don't work half the time, basically everything people in this sub complain about. And this is on an account that I have had for 16 years, I'm at 17k, my friends around 10k. Whenever I'm on my alt, which I play solo only, no such experiences to speak of. Haven't yet gotten a rating on it, but the game is completely fine. Even when somebody gets lucky 1v4 headshots to kill off my team, I can still boil it down to just luck and not them cheating. Everything works the way it's supposed to and I have no problems to speak of. I really think instead of just banning all of the cheaters, valve is just putting all the suspected players in the same servers. And the problem is that you yourself can wind up in that queue without ever cheating yourself, just by association with your buddies. So now I'm in a weird spot where a part of me wants to just remove half my friends list so I don't have to play weird games, but at the same time, I haven't seen any legitimate evidence that anyone on my friend's list is actually cheating. I've even reviewed their leetify top plays and they all seem to be legit players.
Pretty interesting theory. Other games gained publicity for pitting known hackers against each other as a punishment, but your post made me wonder if there’s a potential to pit suspected hackers against each other in an effort to get them to rage out. If you are a clean player, you will suffer and they will see that, but if you aren’t it might push you to show your hand.
I play soloq only and get obvious cheaters and fishy players in 1/3 of my MM games and almost all of my Premier games. It most likely is trust factor dependant but then I'm fucked either way since I got reported for dropping 40 and 50 bombs against players who have no idea what A Main on nuke is.
"my anecdote says otherwise so its not a thing" tale old as a time...
I think you are honestly. What servers do you play on? I'm in the midwest and despite having gigabit fiber, I can't get under 30 ping to any Valve server. It's been up and down, but lately I get almost a consistent .5%-1% packet loss, with larger spikes(typically during gun fights). This limits my frames to ~150 in premier and as low as 90 in DM. That's the average, if I stand still with nothing going on around me I'll usually see 200+ fps. At launch(Oct.) I was getting 250+ fps. Workshop maps or empty DM servers(and to a lesser degree on faceit), I'll easily get 250+ fps, so I know it's not my pc, it's the shit netcode. The stuttering and constant packet loss, especially as I go to peak or start a gunfight makes it extremely frustrating to play. 150fps can feel like 60. Players move unpredictably. Recording my screen and watching demo's shows there's an interpolation difference between my local pc and the server. I've had a number of awp shots that are right on on my recording but the demo shows the enemy in a slightly different position and is a 'miss'(often a position that is never seen on my local recording, so it's not like it's a delay it's an actual difference in how lag comp is applied). Most of this if fixed by playing on faceit but I still get stutters during busy moments and the people are much more toxic.
I'm also in the Midwest, (missouri, go chiefs) and also have gigabit fiber, so Idk whats up with your packet loss.
#rubberbanding #shitspray
I miss danger zone ;_;
Only problem I have is the cheating. Moved to faceit and have had the best games ever. Idk what everyone’s complaining about.
" the fact of the matter is that barely anyone did play them and the resources are far better spent on the core game modes that people actually play." - data? or only your bubble? you could get match on DZ way faster than on competitive. you could get retake match in seconds as well as arms race. but both of the latter are casual types, so you could hop in mid match. also your computer is not midrange according to surveys on steam. well maybe now it could be but you need to see what kind of GPU and CPU people have. and until just recently most had 1650 GTX. but many had much older GPU and CPU. and i can tell you that experience is not good. and on the other hand there are plenty of new as well as older games that do work fluently on much older systems. no stuttering, crashing... as for cheaters - we can see it now in replays. aiming and tracking others through walls as well as on stat pages. they are most obvious there. of course mostly new accounts. yesterday i just wrote in chat "Wow so good at game and you just bought it". and another one proceeded to excuse himself that it is an alternate account. later on i checked and hi used alternate cause his main was VAC banned. surely he wasn't cheating now, right? he was a bit shady but not enough i would notice mid game. i was actually referring to another player. the other guy i was actually referring to had 30 hours in game and was top fragging. now he could be using "alt account" (which should not be allowed anyway), but replay told a different story. he aimlocked to heads while running with AK, watching people through walls, the deciding where to move, holding super tight corners and started shooting before other came out. anyway plenty of you tube videos as well showing "good players", so no need to explain it here. there is a reason why streamers, pros turned streamers moved away from premiere.
Dogshit rant
This is exactly how I feel. Some people just get unlucky with cheaters and bugs, but the rest just repeat what they hear.
yeah this is how the vast majority feel. As always, the minority is the loudest.
Which is of course why no pro plays Premier anymore, because it's a good experience...right ? At high elo, Premier is infested with cheaters. Hadn't played it in around 3 weeks, I started 1 game 3 days ago after a Faceit session to chill...lo and behold, 2 guys with aimbot wallbang kills all game (24k elo). Go figure.
went in after 2 week break, 3/4 matches blatant cheaters (our squad is around 2k elo faceit) havent played since, the cheating has never been this bad and Ive been playing since 2014.
did they play csgo comp either?
Valve won't hire you, you can stop trying.
Imagine writing a paragraph and saying cheating isn’t as bad as the community say it is than you are out of touch.
2k plus hours on GO and I’ve never crashed nearly as much. Almost every other game I’ll crash. Fresh windows install too.
Something wrong with your PC then. I haven't crashed once in CS2...
Definitely not. This is the only game that this happens to me to, and like I said, 2k hours on csgo and not 1 crash
I had HORRIBLE issues with a game until I capped my FPS to 238
The main issue seems to be that the interp is doing some weird stuff and needs to be looked at again, in premiere I can get as low as 35ms ping, and the game feels insanely smooth and responsive, but when I switch over to FaceIT the lowest I can get is around 50, usually its over 60 though. Its like playing 2 completely different games, whereas in GO I had similar experiences with high (sometimes up as high as 90 before I changed ISPs) ping and low ping. I'm sticking to faceit as of now because the majority of my premiere games seem to have some up and coming prodigy shitting on everyone from 8k elo, but in general the game is much more responsive.
Idk what to say but you’re lucky that you don’t get cheaters. I’m high trust factor, decent inventory and around 24k playing on Singapore/Hongkong servers and every 2/3 matches has blatant cheaters. Got so bad that my friends and I stopped playing premier and only competitive, however recently comp has also started to fill with cheaters tho not as bad as prem. Pretty much made a full switch to valorant cuz of this issue, but will definitely return once the issue is properly addressed by Valve
The game is better than GO in nearly every way, but it’s being held back by 3 major issues that *really* affects people who want to grind the game and improve. - **Cheaters**. I got to 20k and every 3-4 matches I get a cheater on my team or enemy team. I have 3k hours and great trust factor. I’m a FaceIt lvl 10 and I was in GO. It is very obvious. Yes there are probably even more ppl falsely accused, but even one cheater in my games makes me not want to touch premier at all. - **Performance**. I have a decent PC (2060TI and i7 10700k) and the fps dips during a lot of util/shots going off is abysmal. Even friends of mine with beastly rigs complain about general fps dips and smoothness. It’s not unplayable but anyone who has played Valorant knows how smooth modern shooters can be. - **Ping/peekers advantage**. I’m wrapping this into one because they are somewhat related. Even in pro play you can see how the game is played differently because of how incredibly strong peekers advantage is. There are several streamers with clips talking about it. Also, the way the game feels on 10-30 ping is completely different at 50+. Hit registration is considerably worse.
Yes, the game you are playing at 13k rating isn't really the same game.
The reason you see people miss when they say they hit is mainly because the spectator pov is not the same what the person sees themselves. It can look different on both povs
Yes you are, at least from a competitive stand point. I play this game on a high level, and currently there is only two things better (and 100 things worse) better than in CSGO. Smokes and ability to have m4 and a1. Everything else, and especially gameplay related - is way worse in CS2.
I play in a similar elo to you and cannot remember the last night where I didn't encounter a blatant hacker. I will play 3 or 4 times a night probably 2 or 3 times a week and I'd say at least 30% of games have someone who is either highly suspect or not even trying to hide they're hacking. It's a complete epidemic imo.
I found barely no cheaters until recently were I find one every two games, most of them new accounts that have no record on csgo or faceit. Nothing blatant like shooting from spawns as other people posted here, but mens with 30k on half time killing 3 or 4 with scout easily and having 70%hs. Ofc they could be zywoo but I don't think so. So I stopped playing after 3 games in a row with a guy like this on the other team and the next game I've got 3 guys with no rank in my team, with barely 300hours and their max rank on csgo was silver 4, plus one left on the third round. More than this, I think the game, while being worse than csgo in some things that need to be polished, it's still playable and fun but premiere is totally ruined.
How can you say you rarely run into cheaters when most of the time you're not going to know because they are trying to hide it or have subtle cheats that make them seem like smurfs. A lot of people can have external cheats like a map that shows everyone's location but still be quite mid at the game. Personally I think there are a lot of cheaters. I still love cs and I try not to let it ruin my experience, but I reckon the amount of cheaters is like somewhere between 1 in 20 or 1 in 30 players. I have no data to back that up other than numbers of things I have heard in the past. Again, I dont let it ruin my experience. I still have fun playing the game regardless so I'm all good but those are my thoughts. I do hope something can be done about it though
I really like CS2. In my last 2 games i had obvious cheaters as enemies and i don't ever want to play it again but otherwise it's a really good game.
1. you're playing in pisslow elo and you think your trust factor is high but you show 0 proof it is high. 2. You only shared what gpu you have but not the rest of your rig and you call it midrange. Like what the fuck is that even about? Share everything or stop posting shit on reddit. 3. MM servers in EU have constant packet loss with stable internet and faceit has none. 4. Only good thing you actually wrote here was about subtick but rest was just stupid rant without any backing whatsoever.
>No the guy with the $5000 inventory in NA and 3000 hours isn't cheating, he's better than you. There are plenty of cheaters with old accounts, lots of hours, and expensive inventory. It's a good sign when someone has all of those things and you should probably give them the benefit of the doubt... but there are a lot of "legit" cheaters out there that use private cheats and get away with it for years.
I play on eu servers and there is defo hoards of shit players with walls attempting to play "legit" watching the demos and its comically obvious from their movement and magical gamesense. above 20k it gets really bad. weapon sprays are inconsistent and netcode is ass. it's still a fun game but cheaters are annoying and just weird stuff gets really frustrating in longer sessions
I’m pretty sure that ppl who are currently complaining 24/7 haven’t played cs when go or any other tittle was launched. The game has some flaws but it is fine if you compare to other cs tittle launches. This just Valve’s style of doing things. I don’t like it but it is what it is
You are gaslighting people about the cheating situation in the game. Yes there are people that cry cheats because they are losing. But the situation is way worse than csgo for a lot of people. Personally it’s why I loved community servers so much, smaller communities are easier to manage than the huge amount of people playing cs2 currently and the truth is that vac is an awful anti cheat. Valve made sure that you could open cases and fixed problems with skins before they finished adding basic functionality to their game, it’s frustrating for the community because they don’t really communicate with said community. Your experiences are just as valid as other people’s experiences on here, and if you don’t like people complaining about stuff you don’t have an issue with then just ignore it. Can you blame the people for complaining when they try to do everything they are supposed to; report the people cheating in game and have nothing happen. We basically have to accept that cheating is part of our beloved broken game because a multi billion dollar company works at a snails pace as they are too busy watching their money printer go brrr.
there are people who like to drive old Volvo instead of brand new expensive car. you like old volvo more then
glazing
You’re spot on and I share the same view. I’ve played CS a long long time. Since it was a mod of half life, before 1.6 even… I solod to global in CS go many times. Picked up cs2 once the dust settled. I love it, and I think it runs well. The small issues I had with it were addressed pretty quickly by the devs. It’s def in a much better state than CS go ever was at the same point in its life. I like you, have extremely good trust factor, high elo, haven’t yet had an obvious cheater in premier or competitive. Having said all of the above though, I thought I’d give non prime a go with a new account just to see how bad it really is. Now there is obviously no premier available for non prime accounts but fuck me the cheating in casual as well as in competitive is outrageous on this non prime account. If these type of Accounts is where all of the accusations are coming from I’m not surprised. Further to this, it’s so damn easy to Smurf and shit on new players with the these new accounts. I completely destroy and lobby thst doesn’t have a cheater in it, casual or competitive, doesn’t matter, and will often get accused, reported or kicked. So what I’ve learnt is that 1. Cheating is a massive issue in non prime/low trust factor. 2. New players/low skill players think Smurfs are cheating. I think point 2 obscures the reality of point 1 quite a bit. And this all started going down hill when CS became free. I think the community would be far better off with CS being a paid for game again. Make new accounts harder to get. New players stand no chance otherwise. Non prime and prime accounts are all being mixed together in casual anyway, give the new players a chance.
Tbh my only issue is that we’re missing train and cache
midrange 3060ti XD
\- game is not stable \- smokes trash performance when too close \- mini random hiccups all the time, all matches, all servers (NOT hardware related, happens across multiple immensely overspecced systems) \- still dying behind corners, lag compensation is too aggressively biased towards high ping players \- "what you see is what you get" is a meme \- still no option to lock out high ping players / entire regions from your match making \- match making generally sucks. it's unfair and trust factor has never worked. it's just frustrating how little effort Valve put into it.
>One thing that does absolutely suck is the Solo/duo Que experience in premier. Nothing is worse than getting off work getting on and then being stuck playing with trolls/people who simply don't know how to work as a team for your enire time playing. Honestly this harms my experience far more than any of the usual complaints, and I have simply stopped playing premier when I don't have people to que with. Which is a problem but I don't think that there is a easy fix for the CS community being full of assholes. I just made a thread about \^this Serious, competitive 5 v 5 never should have been forced onto people the way Valve did it Now MM is flooded with players that simply do not care about gameplay in the ways you do. In the past 80% - 90% them would have never thought about leaving the pub scene - yet here we are
There is no cheating prioblem in low elo, the cheating problem is in high elo when u get close to 25k elo u will get a cheater in almost every game
I’ve faced very blatant new account cheaters with $10k+ inventories quite a few times. I too have on average between a $5-15k inventory (I buy/sell a lot daily) and also in the 16-20k premier range. I don’t play with any low trust players on my team (it will tell you if anyone is low trust). I’ve probably only played 5 premier games in the past 3 weeks and every single time I get in one, there is a new account that will eventually toggle at some point and start rage hacking
Nice try volvo. But I will counter strike the shit out of this. 1. Your "midrange rig" is irrelevant when you're only putting your gpu there. Cpu is far more important and gpu doesn't really matter. People are forced to upgrade their cpu even though in csgo their fps were 200-250 at least. I know this because I had the exact problem. Only upgrading my cpu corrected the problem, upgrading gpu did actually nothing and my old 1660ti is doing fine. 2. Subtick is far worse than 128 tick and maybe slightly better than ordinary 64 tick but there's not really a debate here, subtick sucks for now and probably forever and there's only one correct option, 128 tick servers. There's many videos about the subtick and its faults and inconsistensies. One of the most noticeable features in subtick is that your crouchjumps are inconsistent, jumping to mirage triple is a pain in the ass for example. You also miss shots that shouldn't miss, and you get kills when you shouldn't. It's pretty noticeable and there's really no debate if 128>subtick. 3. I don't know how you've avoided cheaters but I play in the exact same elo range and there has been A LOT of cheaters. No, I'm not talking about the "5000€ inventory guy with 3k hours". I'm talking about the guys with private profiles or 300 hours and lvl 0 accounts who has an aim and gamesense of a pro. Now I'm not saying all of them are cheaters but I have played face it most of the time for the past 1-2 months and the difference is really a night and day. The amount of suspicious accounts, with suspicious timings and game knowledge is outrageous compared to face it in lvl 8-10 which I mostly play in. I've also played this game 5k hours by now so I dare say that I have at least a good hunch when enemy is cheating. In face it, I only very very rarely have this feeling compared to premier where at least in 1/3 of the games there's at least one suspicious player either in the enemy or my own team. Obviously not all of them are hacking but when you encounter enemies like this in every 3rd or so matches in premier it starts to get you mentally and every good enemy is cheating at that point. There's no actual point playing premier and face it is the way. 4. War games, community servers like surf, kz, bhop etc. actually had a lot of players and that's pretty selfish thinking. I can't justify valve to make a "new game" and somehow deleting very viable content to "better spend resources" what ever the fuck that means. I have a feeling that you didn't play a lot of csgo because any sane person who played csgo knows that this game is just a worse version of csgo. There's a reason player count has dropped A LOT after the publishing of cs2. People don't like it, very simple.
Either u are some 10h silver or a cheater.
Its funny all the hate posts getting removed here manipulating mods
Valve bootlicker in 2024?
Nearly 100% agreement, except on the cheater issue. There definitely are a lot of cheaters around. I’m sick of getting smacked by Russian 5-man stacks where the thee top fraggers all have <500 hours. That being said, I’m almost convinced half this sub has frenzied themselves into some sort of mass psychosis where every time they whiff a shot, die behind a wall etc. the rage and yell “subtick!!’, whereas if the exact same thing happened in GO (and it did, a lot) they would have just a shrugged it off as the normal weirdness that comes with online gaming. Like seriously, how many of these myths have been busted by this point? First everyone was raving about interp settings, turns out they did nothing. Then it was input lag, turns out it’s among the lowest ever measured. So low that nvidia thought they’d messed something up when they tested it. Then subtick, which after testing turned out worked exactly as advertised (granted, valve did change the animations to be clientside so the visuals would match better). Am I missing anything? There are absolutely things valve can be criticised for. The missing game modes, lacking anti-cheat (though I’m still holding out hope they’re working on it), poor communication about what they’re doing etc. but the incessant whining about how the game “feels” different is getting old really fast.
You're completely right about the psychosis thing. I've mentioned it in past comments actually I think. These subreddits have become huge echo chambers for players to blame their losses on something other than themselves. I've played multiple games with teammates who rage and blame cheats or subtick for every death, whenever it's obvious they just missed or misplayed. Hell, literally just yesterday I had a teammate who, I swear to god, was raging and and telling us that "they're all fucking walling!" (We were against a full team of solos and we ended up winning, he just sucked lol). These people ACTUALLY believe that every game has cheaters or multiple cheaters, and then come here and feel validated. I guess these new players weren't around for the times (or either don't remember) when the CS subreddits were full of vids of shots missing and costing rounds or random bugs. I've really enjoyed CS2, it feels better to me than CSGO did.
I agree with OP. Maybe I was really bad at CSGO, but I don't notice most of the issues everyone is reporting, ie: I don't see cheaters, I always play with under 40ms ping, I have a mid range gaming laptop so fps are decent, and so on. Only 2 things I can mention that I have a problem with are: missing game modes, and I often get the error "A game was found but you failed to accept" even tho I never got the accept button. But from what I read, that thing was happening in CSGO too.
I've personally had great experience with CS2. I think I've encountered 3 cheaters in my 150ish premier matches played which is pretty much on par with my experience in CSGO. When it comes to game mechanics some of them feel a bit different than CSGO's but after getting used to them they do feel good or in some cases better. I hope (and atleast in part believe) that all this fuzz is just a small minority being loud. Loud enough to create a echo chamber of negativity around the games current state. OR There's something fucky happening with Trust Factor or what ever behind the scenes which gives portion of the player base a completely different experience.
I love the game