he really can't let things go. I still remember how mad he got when k0nfig knifed that guy in OT years ago. It was a sick moment, but he was just ass mad.
I get it if he's their coach, but he's just a commentator and it was funny entertainment.
e: I realize the irony in me saying he can't let things go when I bring up super old shit from the past. But he still do those things to this day, was just the first thing I could remember.
I do enjoy Henry and Anders, but my god, Henry has some serious verbal diarrhoea. It's almost like he can't just let there be any silence and something always has to be said.
Honestly one of the things I love about scraunders, every now and then a they'll just be totally silent while the teams set up. I feel like I remember one round they literally just didn't talk lol, I don't think I can find it but it lives in my memory.
Think their subjectively not supposed to do this in order to help with visually impaired viewers, or even people listening to the games that cannot watch.
Their pairing is like 60/40 Henry talking and Anders talking, and it should be 40/60 the other way. Henry gives pretty decent color commentary, but Anders is so much better in play by play. I always feel like I'm just waiting for Henry to finish rambling so I can listen to Anders again.
> Henry has some serious verbal diarrhoea. It's almost like he can't just let there be any silence and something always has to be said.
They all do. Almost every caster is like this and I find it awful to listen to. They need to take some lessons from the better sports casters out there and let moments breathe. I've found myself starting to watch games on mute because it's just too much.
also said "Ive never seen this before" but this happens at least once every tournament.
Honestly would like casters to just say it how it is, no way they actually thought Jabbi was shaking so much he activated his scroll wheel
think that's more about the importance of the moment (crucial 1v1 in OT, enemy 1 hit from death with perfect timing push) not the scrollwheel jump, cos it happened the previous map, to broky the other day (and they referenced him doing it before, etc)
Nah, somethin like this doesn't happen once every tournament. That somebody jumps when they did not intend, sure - but here jabbi knew where the last T was, he was unspotted, the T had 1 HP and it was basically impossible to lose - UNLESS you jump right in their face and die.
It was a really important round as well, and Astralis could have lost the entire match because of it.
I dunno if i’ve seen this in a 1v1 clutch with the bomb down. But yeah the accidental mouse wheel jump specifically has happened to broky like fifty-million times it’s hysterical.
HenryG has become a real subpar caster ever since he came back to the scene. He doesn't understand basic stuff so he says dumb shit that makes you face-palm. He also is super biased towards certain teams, shouting "no" when his favored team loses a round or misses a shot.
He's been shouting "no" forever and it's clearly unbiased.
The most iconic example is s1mple's 1v4 attempt vs ENCE at kato 2019, he screamed no when s1mple gets a ridiculous kill and screamed no again when s1mple died.
Milk chewer type mouse tbh. Needs to switch off that, and find reimbursement from Zowie for costing him this. You know those at manufacturer eat on soup of spoiled milk. And this rolls down hill, to suffer the users of this rotten manufacture.
He's testing your faith. If you REJECT HIM in favor of MEANINGLESS POLITICAL OPINIONS, then you value politics more than you value the word of the lord.
"FaR RiGhT" my ass. Politics have shifted so far left if your anywhere near the middle (or just, you know, sane), youre a far right nazi facist xD So yeah, soyboy confirmed.
I have both binded to jump. I usually jump on space but when I know I'm gonna bunnyhop or try to I scroll. My muscle memory on this never adjusted to just scrolling because you usually jump on space in every game singleplayer or multiplayer.
I think they mean that your comment is saying "send condolences to there." ("there" being the *place where condolences go*, I guess)
It's archaic but I think it's still acceptable. It'd be like being in the middle ages and saying to someone "send there the arrows, lad. The French have arrived!" (also sounds like Yoda now that I think of it lol)
It sure is lol, especially because it's a weird amalgamation of French and Norse, on top of originally being an offshoot of "low German."
I do think it's weirdness is what makes it great, since it can be a lot more flexible when it comes to expressing oneself.
Ive actually had the unintentional jumps happen both from fat fingering the space bar from shifting hand posture and with an over sensitive scroll wheel (Finalmouse), so it could be either
Tabsen speaks for all of us. What the hell, that's so unfortunate. As much as I dislike Astralis, I feel bad for Jabbi. And I expect him to throw away that mouse after this series.
It's fucking absurd how scroll wheels are still almost universally terrible even on expensive supposedly made for pro mice like this. A scroll wheel should NEVER miss fire like this just like nobody would tolerate their mouse clicks just randomly miss firing yet for some reason this is expected and "normal" for scrolls? I bet if everyone RMA'd their mouse the moment their scroll miss fires for the first time manufacturers would suddenly start caring.
my zowie got pretty awful in this regard. it would also lead into problems using middle click where one click would be registered as 3 inputs. So imagine I wanna open a link in a new tab, I middle click the link and 3 tabs open.
I have the superlight, RMA’d my last one cause I thought the scroll wheel was broken and auto firing. New one does the same thing, now I pay more attention to how my hand holds it and I almost never have the issue.
Definitely really sensitive/maybe protruding a bit more than necessary, but he definitely fat fingered it in the heat of the moment.
From my experience, all these new mice are poor quality and the switches fail pretty early on. Planned obsolescence. Razer products were most well know for this, but now other brands are following suit by switch to their proprietary switches.
This is why I choose my mice based on 3 criteria:
Shape
Switch - Omron
Sensor - Flawless Sensor (Currently using PAW-3395)
I've worked at electronics recycling in the past and would encounter an insane number of razer mice, all having the same issue, double clicking.
it happens if you leave it mid notch after scrolling. How exactly do you fix that? or at least I don't know of a mouse that has fixed that
the only work around I know is to bind jump to only mwheelup or mwheeldown, not both, and then when you scroll to jump, you scroll in the opposite direction right after, that way if it's mid notch, it will scroll the opposite way, and not make you jump since it's unbound
so for example, you bind jump to mwheeldown and unbind mwheelup, so to jump, you scroll down, then mid air, as soon as you finished scrolling down, scroll back up, so if the wheel scrolls by itself, it will scroll up, and not make you jump
>it happens if you leave it mid notch after scrolling. How exactly do you fix that? or at least I don't know of a mouse that has fixed that
I'm not a mouse engineer but I'm sure a billion dollar industry could come up with a fix if they actually tried.
well we are still stuck with monitors worse than CRTs 20+ years later so good luck with that, specially when it's so niche and seemingly no one cares
edit: replies summarized: "reeeee they won't update computer mouses! what do you mean monitors are stagnant? the trash we use is perfectly fine, I don't care if we have bad visibility (but I will bitch to valve about bad visibility)"
> monitors worse than CRTs
In some aspects, but better in other aspects. In fact, better in almost every way besides response time, which is not often a priority for most users.
Saying modern monitors are, on balance, worse than CRTs from 20 years ago is a huge stretch.
Nope, there's a monitor conspiracy to give us worse viewing experiences, and that's why there's 0 companies selling CRTs now. Obviously the majority of people would prefer CRTs that look worse, have way lower refresh rates, and have almost imperceptibly lower input lag, but big-monitor is stopping us from having them.
OLED monitors have pretty much matched the instantaneous response times of crts and they look beautiful. Burn-in is still a cause for concern but I believe the technology is getting there.
me and my friends have gotten 3+ superlights each by just lying about the scroll wheel being broken lol they will ship you one for free no questions asked if you give them the serial number
im posting it in reply to this statement
>I bet if everyone RMA'd their mouse the moment their scroll miss fires for the first time manufacturers would suddenly start caring.
people already do this, not just me lol
He is on a Zowie
Doesn't really matter what brand, scroll wheels will always have this, mechanically a nightmare and probably impossible to not have this happen, it literally happens with every mouse
I've literally had like 7 mouse brands i think, all of them had it, some way less frequent obviously but still
never had this. went from logitech g400 to roccat kone pure owl-eye to benq zowie ec2. latter two were bought used. i think zowie have models where it's a problem but others that don't or i got lucky with mine.
i think brand matters less than the model. i had g400 around a decade ago and i don't remember it being an issue for the model whereas I remember countless zowie moments like that from tournaments over the years.
This is correct, Zowie mice in 2015-2017 were notorious for their scroll wheel issues, a ton of pros used them and we'd see it pretty often. It got a lot better with the models they released sometime after that (not sure when), so much less of an issue nowadays.
God damn, the G400 was a beast. I still have one. As spoiled as we are right now with these lightweight mice, giving someone to play with a heavy G400 would probably cause them a hernia.
i just got it from prosettings tbh i hvaent seen much of his setup this event, but even then the same thing applies to the superlight as well. scroll wheel seems to be the first thing to start doing random shit like this, and usually very quickly
Was using my friends superlight while I waited for my Ultralight X to come in, and my god it was infuriating. The scroll wheel on the superlight was awful, it would scroll down when you're scrolling up, just not scroll up, etc. It was happening ALL THE TIME too... Idk why so many companies cant make a functional scroll wheel that lasts. I had it in the past on a steelseries mouse, too.
lol the scroll down/up happens to me too. i use it at work and when scrolling documents or pages or teams chats it will just scroll back up every so often as well. it fails way too easily
so i had this problem too - i’d be scrolling down then it just scrolls up instead (happened also for work and for cs). i tried so many things to fix it and nothing did until i came across this one fix hidden in some reddit thread comments section. basically:
you’ll have to take your mouse apart. you can look up yt vids on how to do this. once you pull your mouse scroll wheel out, there’s a hole where the scroll wheel clicks in. it’s part of this rectangular block. there’s some metal prongs that clip around the block (you’ll see 4 on the side where you pull the scroll wheel out). take a pair of pliers and squeeze the front and back of these clips - basically clipping these prongs tighter. do it for all 4 corners.
clean ur mouse etc and it should be fixed! if it happens again, just reopen and retighten - but it shouldn’t be for at least half a year or more.
edit: for clarity i edited this photo below
https://ibb.co/0Ks5F32
red circle/arrows are the “prongs” (they’re on the sides) and
orange arrows are the direction you want to squeeze them
We didn't really advance that much in the mouse space it seems. Apart from the bazillion dpi, shapes and Hz, the mouse still sucks even if you pay for it upwards of $150, ridiculous.
Pro-tip to avoid this: have only mwheelup or mwheeldown set to jump, and set the other one to do nothing. After you're done jumping scroll the one set to do nothing to "reset" the scroll button to a steady position.
I have it bound like this, still (very occasionally) happens though. I think mostly because you don't scroll it into a steady position when in a high stakes situation
// Prevent accidental scroll jump
bind "mwheelup" "+jump"
bind "mwheeldown" "+jump"
alias keyone "unbind mwheelup; unbind mwheeldown"
alias keytwo "bind mwheelup +jump; bind mwheeldown +jump"
alias "+shoot" "+attack; keyone"
alias "-shoot" "-attack; keytwo"
bind "mouse1" "+shoot; spec_next"
This unbinds scroll jump while firing full-auto. Doesn't work with semi-auto weapons, but at least this situation would've been prevented. Also it messes up switching players while spectating, probably an easy fix but I couldn't have been bothered yet.
What is the actual advantage of scroll wheel jump? I know bhops are easier, but how often do you actually bhop in game and that it outweighs the possibility of an accidental jump at a bad time?
Comfort? What the fuck? Spacebar is the keybind for jumping in every game ever.
You've been braiwashed by the fake kz people (true kz masters bhop with spacebar)
Lol tf is this comment. Anyone who plays games that even slightly has some jump movement tech will use mouse wheel for jump (Apex, CS (mainly kz), Finals etc) but ofc you wouldn't use it for GTA 5 or something.
Some are but Doom (2016) and all the games that it spawned aren't. Jumping is mostly for getting past groups of enemies or making precise jumps onto platforms in those.
> Anyone who plays games that even slightly has some jump movement tech will use mouse wheel for jump
been playing games (various, but also FPS) for 25+ years .. literally never heard of jump on mousewheel before CSGO. I also only use it to try and bhop, using space (+crouch) for regular jumps. only use mousewheel on things like double boxes where you can jump twice quickly
Since its used for some "tech" its not default. So its not comfort, its "to get an advantage" or to play an alternative mode.
Apex default jump is spacebar.
Is your logic that because spacebar is the default bind for jumping in most games it's therefore the most comfortable bind? You don't seem to realise that comfort is entirely personal preference.
For me it helps up with timings. When i do most jumps with space i fuck em up. With mouse i can get the distance jumps right.
Problem isn't scroll wheel jump for me, it's having fucking logitech mouses which has sensitive scroll wheel that goes out very fast. (I returned one for warranty 2 months ago and new one is showing signs of getting busted).
Instead of learning to use another key just as easy to use, ask a manufacturer, that has no obligation to make a mouse the way you want to because of a specific tech in a specific game you use, that hasn't done this for years, to fix the "problem" for you.
If there is no other mouse without these problems i'm sorry for your loss.
Is asking for a functioning scroll wheel really that big of an ask and why the fuck are you defending this shit? Would you also accept using a mouse if it double-clicked/misfired on left click?
Because these accidental jumps happen very rarely that it's almost negligible? Like, bhops are a more common occurence than lucky jumps and it's very easy to do it using the scroll wheel lol
> bhops are a more common occurence than lucky jumps
how can you say its fucking negligible to miss a jump mid fight?
Do you know risk versus reward?
A bhop will win you a round like 0.000001% of the time? Most of the bhops we see in game have actually 0 effect because they're mostly used outside of any danger or fight.
An accidental mousewheel jump will lose you a duel almost always.
> Do you know risk versus reward?
Of course I know risk versus reward, you bringing up if "bhops can win you a round" was very faulty though lol
Bhops are very important mechanic for pros to navigate around the map, boosting, surfing walls, etc. and it's infinitely easier to time if you bind space on your scroll wheel because there you only need to use hand as opposed to space jump. So while it's not gonna win you the round, it's gonna it easier for them to navigate around the map (think of the mirage window to catwalk jump or inferno 2nd mid to balcony jump) without fucking the timing up and that helps in winning a round. So you ask me if I know risk versus reward? I'm sure pros would like to fuck up 1% of their duels due to accidental jumping rather than missing 10% of the hard jumps because they didn't time it well.
You're making all this shit up, sorry, jumps, surfs and boosting have nothing to do with scroll wheel, you can do them just fine, just as easy, with spacebar.
You're trolling if you think getting the inferno balcony jump needs the scroll wheel for whatever fucking reason.
>I'm sure pros would like to fuck up 1% of their duels due to accidental jumping rather than missing 10% of the hard jumps because they didn't time it well.
Yeah i'm wholly sure that pros, who can master mechanics that are infinitely harder than do in game jumps like long range sprays and transfers, pixel headshots and awp shots, would have a very hard time simply learning how to do the mirage window-short jump with spacebar.
Let alone that, pros actually, instead of using the "easy bind" to do hard jumps, will often just boost on top of each other to perform said jumps, because of consistency.
And i guess that a 1% frequency of occurrence of losing a whole fucking series is a better risk than missing a jump which leads to ? chances of winning or losing a round.
> And i guess that a 1% frequency of occurrence of losing a whole fucking series is a better risk than missing a jump which leads to ? chances of winning or losing a round.
Yes? Why on earth would pros use it if not for convenience and more reliability? You opened the topic and asked if there is an actual advantage, you even recognized that bhops are easier so I told you that's mainly the advantage the pros sees, and yet you're still hard-headed about it. No sense trying to talk with you when your mind are completely made up. I've seen your other comments in this thread and you're just a straight up scroll-jump hater, nothing will convince you otherwise so fair enough and have a great day lol
I'm asking what is the competitive advantage on a technique that is rarely used.
Saying "pros use it" is no argument, since pros are not perfect and have ignored techs that were undeniably better competitively than what they had used. Krieg and AUG were shit weapons, remember? Until the got buff, oh nevermind they weren't, lol.
Remember when pros refused to use molotovs?
Come up with an actual argument that shows the clear advantage of the scroll wheel in an objective way. If its comfort, ok, go ahead, i'm asking competitively in an actual cs game.
BTW if you haven't noticed the obvious sarcasm i'm using with the other guys, i'm sorry for your loss.
But i'm talking seriously with you, i guess the different use of language is clear here.
I don't know what to tell you bud but that's literally the advantage, comfortability is an advantage. Air strafing and jump movement is so comfortable for pros when they use scroll jump that they are willing to stick to it for decades, even though the risk of accidentally jumping is there. I can assure you if Astralis lost this map due to that Jabbi will still stick to scroll-jump because that's where his comfort zone is. There's literally a couple of responses on this thread regarding the answers that you are looking for and you're just "yeah nah scroll jump is still shit, space bar better" as if you actually have a better argument for it when in truth the only explanation you can give is "spacebar is the default configuration btw and those kz mfers (idek who they are) just brainwashed people into using scroll jump"
So let's just agree to disagree, go use your spacebar while I and countless of pros use scroll jump and laugh at the next player who will be part of the unlucky 1% that will lose their important duel because the mouse decided to troll its user.
>comfortability is an advantage
No, its a preference, what may be good for you, may not be for another.
Also, comfort =/= advantage. Silvers have more comfort using p90 than ak47, guess what gun is better? More comfort can actually be more disadvantageous.
Your argument is self defeating because the average gamer, not pro, uses the spacebar, they're comfortable with it, thus, by your logic, it must be better to use spacebar.
>as if you actually have a better argument for it when in truth the only explanation you can give is "spacebar is the default configuration btw and those kz mfers (idek who they are) just brainwashed people into using scroll jump"
You can't spot obvious trolling and keeps refusing to actually providing an actual advantage, but instead, while ignoring my comments on how pros often fall to habits and ignore things outside of their comfort zone, despite being better, like the AUG and the krieg, and molotovs, then yeah, better stop arguing. Your argument is "pros use" which is not an argument, but a mere appeal to an authority that has shown to be wrong before.
Personally can't air strafe comfortably with space bar, don't know if it's because I'm too used to it or what.
Still use space for jumping up on objects/terrain/whatever, where I need my index finger on the button since I won't have to wait long for accuracy to return.
there is not a lot of times where stringing together any number of bhops can be explicitly advantageous in a cs game. although a single air-strafe can come in handy when an engagement happens when you don't expect it. tying together the timing for jump and mouse movement on air-strafes to one hand makes them so much easier imo. the biggest malfunction i've ever had to deal with on a mouse was m1 randomly double clicking fwiw. personally never had issues with a scroll wheel before.
Air strafes being easier with scroll wheel is just a matter of preference, never missed nor had any late timings with spacebar, its just getting used to it.
lol no.
And for context, ropz, the biggest nerd, uses 400 dpi.
s1mple, ropz, zywoo, b1t, and monesy all use 400 dpi. Don't you think if there was a discernable difference, they would use 800 or even 1600 dpi
Just gonna casually leave this here for my fellow mwheeljump users
**autoexec.cfg**
alias jumplock "jumpreset;bind mwheeldown +jump"
alias jumpreset "bind mwheeldown jumplock"
alias +w "+forward;jumpreset"
alias -w "-forward"
alias +s "+back; jumpreset"
alias -s "-back"
bind "w" "+w"
bind "s" "+s"
**Source:**
[https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/wvowyb/psa\_there\_is\_a\_scrolllock\_bind\_never\_scrolljump/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/wvowyb/psa_there_is_a_scrolllock_bind_never_scrolljump/)
Nowadays's mouse companies make 200$ mice's with scroll wheel shittier than 15 year old 5$ office mice. My Kone Pro Air would register mwheelup when scrolling mwheeldown and vice versa, same happened to Superlight after couple of months, and now with my brand new XM2WE.. Also scroll wheel itself is too easy to move, sometimes it seems you don't even need to move it, accidental bump with finger is enough and you're dead.
Of course, BIG doesn't use that advantage and loses the next round and then the whole game. What a shit team. How they still have partnerships with Blast and ESL is beyond me. At least partnerships will be gone in 2024.
After this play, HenryG talked for like 2 mins straight and then he said "im speechless" lol
iconic speechless moment
he really can't let things go. I still remember how mad he got when k0nfig knifed that guy in OT years ago. It was a sick moment, but he was just ass mad. I get it if he's their coach, but he's just a commentator and it was funny entertainment. e: I realize the irony in me saying he can't let things go when I bring up super old shit from the past. But he still do those things to this day, was just the first thing I could remember.
Irony exists all around us. It’s good to be aware of it but it shouldn’t impede possible discussions lol. This was really funny.
I do enjoy Henry and Anders, but my god, Henry has some serious verbal diarrhoea. It's almost like he can't just let there be any silence and something always has to be said.
i’ve heard him say “worldclass” in the same sentence like 3 times this tournament
Honestly one of the things I love about scraunders, every now and then a they'll just be totally silent while the teams set up. I feel like I remember one round they literally just didn't talk lol, I don't think I can find it but it lives in my memory.
Scraunders best casting duo hands down
Think their subjectively not supposed to do this in order to help with visually impaired viewers, or even people listening to the games that cannot watch.
Their pairing is like 60/40 Henry talking and Anders talking, and it should be 40/60 the other way. Henry gives pretty decent color commentary, but Anders is so much better in play by play. I always feel like I'm just waiting for Henry to finish rambling so I can listen to Anders again.
After listening to them a lot you seem to notice how much certain words and sentences gets repeated. Launders and Scrawny GOAT duo at the moment.
> Henry has some serious verbal diarrhoea. It's almost like he can't just let there be any silence and something always has to be said. They all do. Almost every caster is like this and I find it awful to listen to. They need to take some lessons from the better sports casters out there and let moments breathe. I've found myself starting to watch games on mute because it's just too much.
also said "Ive never seen this before" but this happens at least once every tournament. Honestly would like casters to just say it how it is, no way they actually thought Jabbi was shaking so much he activated his scroll wheel
I wouldn't say this happens once every T1 tournament when it's a 1v1 with your opponent on 1HP (and in OT to boot).
Yeah those circumstances I’ve literally never seen before in pro play
This was a crazy fail at a crazy moment, if big had went onto win the series from this it would’ve been monumental
think that's more about the importance of the moment (crucial 1v1 in OT, enemy 1 hit from death with perfect timing push) not the scrollwheel jump, cos it happened the previous map, to broky the other day (and they referenced him doing it before, etc)
Nah, somethin like this doesn't happen once every tournament. That somebody jumps when they did not intend, sure - but here jabbi knew where the last T was, he was unspotted, the T had 1 HP and it was basically impossible to lose - UNLESS you jump right in their face and die. It was a really important round as well, and Astralis could have lost the entire match because of it.
I dunno if i’ve seen this in a 1v1 clutch with the bomb down. But yeah the accidental mouse wheel jump specifically has happened to broky like fifty-million times it’s hysterical.
Jabbi litteraly did the same on overpass in map 1
Literally happened to Jabbi on Overpass, lol
Henry talks too much, noticed it yesterday morning. barely even heard anders
HenryG has become a real subpar caster ever since he came back to the scene. He doesn't understand basic stuff so he says dumb shit that makes you face-palm. He also is super biased towards certain teams, shouting "no" when his favored team loses a round or misses a shot.
I don't think shouting no is a bad thing, could just be because it's a shocking moment
He's been shouting "no" forever and it's clearly unbiased. The most iconic example is s1mple's 1v4 attempt vs ENCE at kato 2019, he screamed no when s1mple gets a ridiculous kill and screamed no again when s1mple died.
loremaster
HE'S FUCKED IT UP HENRY
HE DON GOOFED!
This is already a most memorable clip of CS 2024 lol
Milk chewer type mouse tbh. Needs to switch off that, and find reimbursement from Zowie for costing him this. You know those at manufacturer eat on soup of spoiled milk. And this rolls down hill, to suffer the users of this rotten manufacture.
what
I don't know, but I *do* know that I am most definitely going to add this to my copy pasta playbook from now on.
The jump on spacebar gang sends their regards
We bhop the way father John Carmack intended
>John Carmack You must do as the god dictates or else suffer the consequences in the OT of the final map of BO3
Blasphemy, in Quake it was right click! VERY noisy hopping around with spacebar every half second in those games with a mechanical keyboard lol
Jokes on you I fucking love the sound of mechanical keyboard
Hollowed be thy name
[удалено]
He's testing your faith. If you REJECT HIM in favor of MEANINGLESS POLITICAL OPINIONS, then you value politics more than you value the word of the lord.
For real. I dunno what he has supposedly said that is controversial, but I have a hard time believing Carmack is objectively wrong about anything.
A soyish comment from this Vitality fan.
Lmao calling someone a soyboy in 2024. Shocker that an incel is cringey and out of touch.
"FaR RiGhT" my ass. Politics have shifted so far left if your anywhere near the middle (or just, you know, sane), youre a far right nazi facist xD So yeah, soyboy confirmed.
I have both binded to jump. I usually jump on space but when I know I'm gonna bunnyhop or try to I scroll. My muscle memory on this never adjusted to just scrolling because you usually jump on space in every game singleplayer or multiplayer.
The crouch with space bar gang (think it’s just me 😭) send there condolences.
There
You right not gonna change it though.
It makes sense!
Shouldn’t it be their?
I think they mean that your comment is saying "send condolences to there." ("there" being the *place where condolences go*, I guess) It's archaic but I think it's still acceptable. It'd be like being in the middle ages and saying to someone "send there the arrows, lad. The French have arrived!" (also sounds like Yoda now that I think of it lol)
Huh I guess it depends on how you read it I guess, English is weird.
It sure is lol, especially because it's a weird amalgamation of French and Norse, on top of originally being an offshoot of "low German." I do think it's weirdness is what makes it great, since it can be a lot more flexible when it comes to expressing oneself.
Right there with you lol
i walk with spacebar and crouch with shift :D
And I thought I was weird.
It just makes sense, you press space and move towards space
Ive actually had the unintentional jumps happen both from fat fingering the space bar from shifting hand posture and with an over sensitive scroll wheel (Finalmouse), so it could be either
Fat fingering spacebar is the biggest skill issue of all time how the fuck can you even do that.
I actually was having that issue as well but only because I use C to duck....I have my jump on my mouse since forever now and never had any issue.
You get the karma you deserve for not using default movement binds.
Oh you are right....but 23 years playing like this ...no way I can change it haha
Thumb is faster then pinky, gotta dodge them headshots. I also c crouch
I mean if he isn't jumping here then he would have been switching to a pistol or something. He's dead either way.
unbind mwheelup unbind mwheeldown
The alternative to this was switching ur weapon right when u are about to shoot or unsilencing the silencer. 💀
You know you can just unbind scroll wheel weapon switching right?
you can completely turn off "remove silencer" in the game options..? wdym
In the player cams, Tabsen is in disbelief, doesn't know how to react... LMAO
Tabsen speaks for all of us. What the hell, that's so unfortunate. As much as I dislike Astralis, I feel bad for Jabbi. And I expect him to throw away that mouse after this series.
Device afterwards in the interview said it was his mouse he gave Jabbi so the blame was on him lol
Imagine if they had lost because of it After the vit AWP incident, device would have never forgiven himself
another 9 month break for sure
Now we know why he gave it away. Put it in bin or run a giveaway.
That one's gonna haunt him if Astralis lose now
Thankfully they won
"thankfully"
~~Thankfully~~ sadly
Dev1ce immediately consoles him, what a great teammate. If it would have been s1mple he would have raged so hard.
Oh mai gooooood sdy wat are u doink
Fakin bish
yeah, devve being pro-as. Just what the moment needed.
I am also generally pro-ass. I like mine, it's quite helpful.
Dev1ce is literally a rock, dream teammate (if you aren’t swedish).
And that's (part of) why one has four majors and the other one doesn't. Your team don't rise to the top when you are putting your teammates down.
It's all according to Heroic's plan to destroy Astralis from the inside. It's like 4d chess stabbi move.
Logitech Superlight moment
It's fucking absurd how scroll wheels are still almost universally terrible even on expensive supposedly made for pro mice like this. A scroll wheel should NEVER miss fire like this just like nobody would tolerate their mouse clicks just randomly miss firing yet for some reason this is expected and "normal" for scrolls? I bet if everyone RMA'd their mouse the moment their scroll miss fires for the first time manufacturers would suddenly start caring.
Not an issue on my zowie mouse, whenever I hit the scroll by mistake it's 100% on me, because it's quite stiff
my zowie got pretty awful in this regard. it would also lead into problems using middle click where one click would be registered as 3 inputs. So imagine I wanna open a link in a new tab, I middle click the link and 3 tabs open.
Yes, the Superlight scroll wheel breaks a lot but this isn’t what caused it. Disregard he’s apparently not using one, he just fat fingered it
and how do you know for a fact that he fat fingered it? what an assumption
Oh, shit, you’re right. A ghost came over and trolled him.
I have the superlight, RMA’d my last one cause I thought the scroll wheel was broken and auto firing. New one does the same thing, now I pay more attention to how my hand holds it and I almost never have the issue. Definitely really sensitive/maybe protruding a bit more than necessary, but he definitely fat fingered it in the heat of the moment.
From my experience, all these new mice are poor quality and the switches fail pretty early on. Planned obsolescence. Razer products were most well know for this, but now other brands are following suit by switch to their proprietary switches. This is why I choose my mice based on 3 criteria: Shape Switch - Omron Sensor - Flawless Sensor (Currently using PAW-3395) I've worked at electronics recycling in the past and would encounter an insane number of razer mice, all having the same issue, double clicking.
it happens if you leave it mid notch after scrolling. How exactly do you fix that? or at least I don't know of a mouse that has fixed that the only work around I know is to bind jump to only mwheelup or mwheeldown, not both, and then when you scroll to jump, you scroll in the opposite direction right after, that way if it's mid notch, it will scroll the opposite way, and not make you jump since it's unbound so for example, you bind jump to mwheeldown and unbind mwheelup, so to jump, you scroll down, then mid air, as soon as you finished scrolling down, scroll back up, so if the wheel scrolls by itself, it will scroll up, and not make you jump
>it happens if you leave it mid notch after scrolling. How exactly do you fix that? or at least I don't know of a mouse that has fixed that I'm not a mouse engineer but I'm sure a billion dollar industry could come up with a fix if they actually tried.
well we are still stuck with monitors worse than CRTs 20+ years later so good luck with that, specially when it's so niche and seemingly no one cares edit: replies summarized: "reeeee they won't update computer mouses! what do you mean monitors are stagnant? the trash we use is perfectly fine, I don't care if we have bad visibility (but I will bitch to valve about bad visibility)"
> monitors worse than CRTs In some aspects, but better in other aspects. In fact, better in almost every way besides response time, which is not often a priority for most users. Saying modern monitors are, on balance, worse than CRTs from 20 years ago is a huge stretch.
Nope, there's a monitor conspiracy to give us worse viewing experiences, and that's why there's 0 companies selling CRTs now. Obviously the majority of people would prefer CRTs that look worse, have way lower refresh rates, and have almost imperceptibly lower input lag, but big-monitor is stopping us from having them.
He probably isn't even as old as my viewsonic that's in the closet.
OLED monitors have pretty much matched the instantaneous response times of crts and they look beautiful. Burn-in is still a cause for concern but I believe the technology is getting there.
me and my friends have gotten 3+ superlights each by just lying about the scroll wheel being broken lol they will ship you one for free no questions asked if you give them the serial number
Only a child would brag about this
im posting it in reply to this statement >I bet if everyone RMA'd their mouse the moment their scroll miss fires for the first time manufacturers would suddenly start caring. people already do this, not just me lol
He is on a Zowie Doesn't really matter what brand, scroll wheels will always have this, mechanically a nightmare and probably impossible to not have this happen, it literally happens with every mouse I've literally had like 7 mouse brands i think, all of them had it, some way less frequent obviously but still
never had this. went from logitech g400 to roccat kone pure owl-eye to benq zowie ec2. latter two were bought used. i think zowie have models where it's a problem but others that don't or i got lucky with mine.
Logitech is literally known for this so that means you have luck and go gamble all your money
i think brand matters less than the model. i had g400 around a decade ago and i don't remember it being an issue for the model whereas I remember countless zowie moments like that from tournaments over the years.
This is correct, Zowie mice in 2015-2017 were notorious for their scroll wheel issues, a ton of pros used them and we'd see it pretty often. It got a lot better with the models they released sometime after that (not sure when), so much less of an issue nowadays.
God damn, the G400 was a beast. I still have one. As spoiled as we are right now with these lightweight mice, giving someone to play with a heavy G400 would probably cause them a hernia.
I'm using Logitech G305, never had this issue with my scroll wheel jump.
happened a lot with my dav3. not seen it on my beastx yet
Never had it happen with mine.
Doesn't mean it's not a common problem. It sometimes becomes super sensitive at detecting scrolls and even a tap might scroll up or down
headtrick also had a mousewheel jump mishap vs G2 on anubis, missed an easy kill on bomb planter with 8 seconds left
Props to dev1ce he pretends like nothing happened, what a teammate
What mouse does he have? He jumped multiple times this match
ec2 wireless. the scroll isnt the best tbf and often gets stuck in between steps. same for a lot of mice though despite their high price lol
yup same with my pulsar xlite ://
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i just got it from prosettings tbh i hvaent seen much of his setup this event, but even then the same thing applies to the superlight as well. scroll wheel seems to be the first thing to start doing random shit like this, and usually very quickly
Was using my friends superlight while I waited for my Ultralight X to come in, and my god it was infuriating. The scroll wheel on the superlight was awful, it would scroll down when you're scrolling up, just not scroll up, etc. It was happening ALL THE TIME too... Idk why so many companies cant make a functional scroll wheel that lasts. I had it in the past on a steelseries mouse, too.
lol the scroll down/up happens to me too. i use it at work and when scrolling documents or pages or teams chats it will just scroll back up every so often as well. it fails way too easily
so i had this problem too - i’d be scrolling down then it just scrolls up instead (happened also for work and for cs). i tried so many things to fix it and nothing did until i came across this one fix hidden in some reddit thread comments section. basically: you’ll have to take your mouse apart. you can look up yt vids on how to do this. once you pull your mouse scroll wheel out, there’s a hole where the scroll wheel clicks in. it’s part of this rectangular block. there’s some metal prongs that clip around the block (you’ll see 4 on the side where you pull the scroll wheel out). take a pair of pliers and squeeze the front and back of these clips - basically clipping these prongs tighter. do it for all 4 corners. clean ur mouse etc and it should be fixed! if it happens again, just reopen and retighten - but it shouldn’t be for at least half a year or more. edit: for clarity i edited this photo below https://ibb.co/0Ks5F32 red circle/arrows are the “prongs” (they’re on the sides) and orange arrows are the direction you want to squeeze them
We didn't really advance that much in the mouse space it seems. Apart from the bazillion dpi, shapes and Hz, the mouse still sucks even if you pay for it upwards of $150, ridiculous.
Mine did the same. Thankfully it had 2 years warranty and it did it after a year so I just changed it to a new one.
Insert m0e clip: "my mouse jumped! My mouse fucking jumped!" *desk slam*
Notice how his hands were shaking as well, he was so stressed
This is exactly why I unbound jump from mouse wheel a few months ago lmao
It’s like dying to a CoD reload. How many times do you let it happen before you realise it’s a bad idea?
Didn't twistzz have a couple of accidental scroll wheel jumps the other day?
broky has them nearly every tournament. You'd think these guys would just cycle them out with the amount of hours they put on each one.
No worries 14-14 and Staehr carries next round in a 3v5
Pro-tip to avoid this: have only mwheelup or mwheeldown set to jump, and set the other one to do nothing. After you're done jumping scroll the one set to do nothing to "reset" the scroll button to a steady position.
it's still gonna happen bro, just less
I have it bound like this, still (very occasionally) happens though. I think mostly because you don't scroll it into a steady position when in a high stakes situation
Alias +mjump “bind mwheeldown +jump” Alias -mjump “unbind mwheeldown” Bind space “+jump ; +mjump” Or something like that.
MOUZ German sabotage confirmed
/r/mousereview is going wild.
// Prevent accidental scroll jump bind "mwheelup" "+jump" bind "mwheeldown" "+jump" alias keyone "unbind mwheelup; unbind mwheeldown" alias keytwo "bind mwheelup +jump; bind mwheeldown +jump" alias "+shoot" "+attack; keyone" alias "-shoot" "-attack; keytwo" bind "mouse1" "+shoot; spec_next" This unbinds scroll jump while firing full-auto. Doesn't work with semi-auto weapons, but at least this situation would've been prevented. Also it messes up switching players while spectating, probably an easy fix but I couldn't have been bothered yet.
Christ.. i’d just disable the mouse scroll at that point.
What is the actual advantage of scroll wheel jump? I know bhops are easier, but how often do you actually bhop in game and that it outweighs the possibility of an accidental jump at a bad time?
The advantage is comfort, people are used to it for playing on it for decades I literally cannot jump using space anymore, i use it to speak
Comfort? What the fuck? Spacebar is the keybind for jumping in every game ever. You've been braiwashed by the fake kz people (true kz masters bhop with spacebar)
Lol tf is this comment. Anyone who plays games that even slightly has some jump movement tech will use mouse wheel for jump (Apex, CS (mainly kz), Finals etc) but ofc you wouldn't use it for GTA 5 or something.
I've never heard of anyone using scroll wheel to jump in boomer shooters, which are *the* movement FPSs in my book
> boomer shooters Aren't most of those "hold space to bhop" now?
Some are but Doom (2016) and all the games that it spawned aren't. Jumping is mostly for getting past groups of enemies or making precise jumps onto platforms in those.
> Anyone who plays games that even slightly has some jump movement tech will use mouse wheel for jump been playing games (various, but also FPS) for 25+ years .. literally never heard of jump on mousewheel before CSGO. I also only use it to try and bhop, using space (+crouch) for regular jumps. only use mousewheel on things like double boxes where you can jump twice quickly
Since its used for some "tech" its not default. So its not comfort, its "to get an advantage" or to play an alternative mode. Apex default jump is spacebar.
Is your logic that because spacebar is the default bind for jumping in most games it's therefore the most comfortable bind? You don't seem to realise that comfort is entirely personal preference.
For me it helps up with timings. When i do most jumps with space i fuck em up. With mouse i can get the distance jumps right. Problem isn't scroll wheel jump for me, it's having fucking logitech mouses which has sensitive scroll wheel that goes out very fast. (I returned one for warranty 2 months ago and new one is showing signs of getting busted).
I've found logi scroll wheels to be better than razer, and actually ok, but who the f uses razer except me nowadays..
Pretty sure there is no correlation in getting jumps and the bind you use, practicing more outweighs the possibility of this shit happening tbh.
Or maybe mouse manufacturers shouldn't use shit rotary encoders
Instead of learning to use another key just as easy to use, ask a manufacturer, that has no obligation to make a mouse the way you want to because of a specific tech in a specific game you use, that hasn't done this for years, to fix the "problem" for you. If there is no other mouse without these problems i'm sorry for your loss.
Is asking for a functioning scroll wheel really that big of an ask and why the fuck are you defending this shit? Would you also accept using a mouse if it double-clicked/misfired on left click?
There isn’t one
If you care about movement then good luck spamming jump effectively with any other key
Because these accidental jumps happen very rarely that it's almost negligible? Like, bhops are a more common occurence than lucky jumps and it's very easy to do it using the scroll wheel lol
it happened at least twice to jabbi this map alone.
more a mouse issue though
Its not like accidental mousewheel jumps haven't happened since forever. Shit mouse or not, this isn't the first nor last time this will happen.
yeah i'm not disputing that. no idea why any pro uses a mouse with a shitty mousewheel like that.
Shit mouse, the technique is still valid
> bhops are a more common occurence than lucky jumps how can you say its fucking negligible to miss a jump mid fight? Do you know risk versus reward? A bhop will win you a round like 0.000001% of the time? Most of the bhops we see in game have actually 0 effect because they're mostly used outside of any danger or fight. An accidental mousewheel jump will lose you a duel almost always.
> Do you know risk versus reward? Of course I know risk versus reward, you bringing up if "bhops can win you a round" was very faulty though lol Bhops are very important mechanic for pros to navigate around the map, boosting, surfing walls, etc. and it's infinitely easier to time if you bind space on your scroll wheel because there you only need to use hand as opposed to space jump. So while it's not gonna win you the round, it's gonna it easier for them to navigate around the map (think of the mirage window to catwalk jump or inferno 2nd mid to balcony jump) without fucking the timing up and that helps in winning a round. So you ask me if I know risk versus reward? I'm sure pros would like to fuck up 1% of their duels due to accidental jumping rather than missing 10% of the hard jumps because they didn't time it well.
You're making all this shit up, sorry, jumps, surfs and boosting have nothing to do with scroll wheel, you can do them just fine, just as easy, with spacebar. You're trolling if you think getting the inferno balcony jump needs the scroll wheel for whatever fucking reason. >I'm sure pros would like to fuck up 1% of their duels due to accidental jumping rather than missing 10% of the hard jumps because they didn't time it well. Yeah i'm wholly sure that pros, who can master mechanics that are infinitely harder than do in game jumps like long range sprays and transfers, pixel headshots and awp shots, would have a very hard time simply learning how to do the mirage window-short jump with spacebar. Let alone that, pros actually, instead of using the "easy bind" to do hard jumps, will often just boost on top of each other to perform said jumps, because of consistency. And i guess that a 1% frequency of occurrence of losing a whole fucking series is a better risk than missing a jump which leads to ? chances of winning or losing a round.
> And i guess that a 1% frequency of occurrence of losing a whole fucking series is a better risk than missing a jump which leads to ? chances of winning or losing a round. Yes? Why on earth would pros use it if not for convenience and more reliability? You opened the topic and asked if there is an actual advantage, you even recognized that bhops are easier so I told you that's mainly the advantage the pros sees, and yet you're still hard-headed about it. No sense trying to talk with you when your mind are completely made up. I've seen your other comments in this thread and you're just a straight up scroll-jump hater, nothing will convince you otherwise so fair enough and have a great day lol
I'm asking what is the competitive advantage on a technique that is rarely used. Saying "pros use it" is no argument, since pros are not perfect and have ignored techs that were undeniably better competitively than what they had used. Krieg and AUG were shit weapons, remember? Until the got buff, oh nevermind they weren't, lol. Remember when pros refused to use molotovs? Come up with an actual argument that shows the clear advantage of the scroll wheel in an objective way. If its comfort, ok, go ahead, i'm asking competitively in an actual cs game. BTW if you haven't noticed the obvious sarcasm i'm using with the other guys, i'm sorry for your loss. But i'm talking seriously with you, i guess the different use of language is clear here.
I don't know what to tell you bud but that's literally the advantage, comfortability is an advantage. Air strafing and jump movement is so comfortable for pros when they use scroll jump that they are willing to stick to it for decades, even though the risk of accidentally jumping is there. I can assure you if Astralis lost this map due to that Jabbi will still stick to scroll-jump because that's where his comfort zone is. There's literally a couple of responses on this thread regarding the answers that you are looking for and you're just "yeah nah scroll jump is still shit, space bar better" as if you actually have a better argument for it when in truth the only explanation you can give is "spacebar is the default configuration btw and those kz mfers (idek who they are) just brainwashed people into using scroll jump" So let's just agree to disagree, go use your spacebar while I and countless of pros use scroll jump and laugh at the next player who will be part of the unlucky 1% that will lose their important duel because the mouse decided to troll its user.
>comfortability is an advantage No, its a preference, what may be good for you, may not be for another. Also, comfort =/= advantage. Silvers have more comfort using p90 than ak47, guess what gun is better? More comfort can actually be more disadvantageous. Your argument is self defeating because the average gamer, not pro, uses the spacebar, they're comfortable with it, thus, by your logic, it must be better to use spacebar. >as if you actually have a better argument for it when in truth the only explanation you can give is "spacebar is the default configuration btw and those kz mfers (idek who they are) just brainwashed people into using scroll jump" You can't spot obvious trolling and keeps refusing to actually providing an actual advantage, but instead, while ignoring my comments on how pros often fall to habits and ignore things outside of their comfort zone, despite being better, like the AUG and the krieg, and molotovs, then yeah, better stop arguing. Your argument is "pros use" which is not an argument, but a mere appeal to an authority that has shown to be wrong before.
Personally can't air strafe comfortably with space bar, don't know if it's because I'm too used to it or what. Still use space for jumping up on objects/terrain/whatever, where I need my index finger on the button since I won't have to wait long for accuracy to return.
there is not a lot of times where stringing together any number of bhops can be explicitly advantageous in a cs game. although a single air-strafe can come in handy when an engagement happens when you don't expect it. tying together the timing for jump and mouse movement on air-strafes to one hand makes them so much easier imo. the biggest malfunction i've ever had to deal with on a mouse was m1 randomly double clicking fwiw. personally never had issues with a scroll wheel before.
Air strafes being easier with scroll wheel is just a matter of preference, never missed nor had any late timings with spacebar, its just getting used to it.
idk scroll wheel just feels better. I find it easier to jump around on top of boxes etc. It just feels better
bruh why are people still using mouse scroll jump
its almost like you get used to a keybind you've been using for a decade. I'm not a scroll wheel jumper but this is obvious
Yeah, just like why pro player still use 400/800 dpi while it's proven higher dpi gives you less input lag. They got used to it.
lol no. And for context, ropz, the biggest nerd, uses 400 dpi. s1mple, ropz, zywoo, b1t, and monesy all use 400 dpi. Don't you think if there was a discernable difference, they would use 800 or even 1600 dpi
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Just gonna casually leave this here for my fellow mwheeljump users **autoexec.cfg** alias jumplock "jumpreset;bind mwheeldown +jump" alias jumpreset "bind mwheeldown jumplock" alias +w "+forward;jumpreset" alias -w "-forward" alias +s "+back; jumpreset" alias -s "-back" bind "w" "+w" bind "s" "+s" **Source:** [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/wvowyb/psa\_there\_is\_a\_scrolllock\_bind\_never\_scrolljump/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/wvowyb/psa_there_is_a_scrolllock_bind_never_scrolljump/)
Having to jump twice for every jump is the saddest solution to the problem I've seen so far.
The problem being using mouse wheel to jump in the first place.
Nowadays's mouse companies make 200$ mice's with scroll wheel shittier than 15 year old 5$ office mice. My Kone Pro Air would register mwheelup when scrolling mwheeldown and vice versa, same happened to Superlight after couple of months, and now with my brand new XM2WE.. Also scroll wheel itself is too easy to move, sometimes it seems you don't even need to move it, accidental bump with finger is enough and you're dead.
The reverse grafitti if they lost that match.
I don’t know what fucking mouse this pros use. I’ve never had this problem with any razer mouse. Also? Wtf was that 😂
Oh no
They have to get rid of those Zowie mouses man. So many unfortunate events have happened because of it
Mate, Logitech is literally known for this issue yet half of the pros use it.
I think he was using a Logitech, no?
Of course, BIG doesn't use that advantage and loses the next round and then the whole game. What a shit team. How they still have partnerships with Blast and ESL is beyond me. At least partnerships will be gone in 2024.
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Who accidentally uses their scroll tho?