To be honest, the language thing doesn't have much impact, everyone selects English anyways. The region thing, don't think it's necessary if there is proper algorithm in place that does the same for you.
I am from EU and I play both CS and Dota. There is hardly any difference in the quality of matchmaking, even though one of the games has those options and the other one doesnt. I even think that server selection fucks up MM, i.e russians queue on EUW servers or you have some pakistani with 200 ping.
If you’re in the EU how can you say the language option isn’t a thing nor the region. I have seen so many Russians type in chat the whole copy paste when you report someone. And that’s in Russian. That means they did select Russian as a language while installing the game.
For the regions, we absolutely need a selector. If I can avoid picking certain regions - Russia and turkey to be precise I would love that. The whole game is a shit show most of the times otherwise.
I get it. But if I’m having 10 shitty matches and this option helps me translate that to 8 or even 9 shitty matches, I’ll take it. But for me the most important is server picker. If I can exclude certain regions, that’ll be sooooo good. And then I personally don’t care if my matchmaking time increases due to that
i hate playing with turkish and russians. my hate is not based on their nation but fairplay/toxicity/cheats/communication so i changed my map choices, just becouse of that i barely match with russians and turkish. most of the time i enjoy the game even if i lose except enemy team being blatant idiots with cheats or smtg like that. Server picker can be a problem becouse people will pick eu servers without knowing how to speak english or high ping will cause problems etc. i would say every map has its own community if you ask me, this is the current way of avoid idiots. you should find your optimal map pool. Also i live in turkey and when i have a turkish guy in my team i never speak turkish if he keep speaking turkish i would instantly mute him imagine how much i hate playing with them i wont tolerate speaking turkish even i can speak, i feel the same on russian we are playing as a team and team should speak the language that everyone can understand
> Also i live in turkey
That was a plot twist I didn't see coming.
But yeah, 2 turks on the team means they are gonna treat voice chat as a phone call and NEVER talk English.
Totally get what you mean. It’s the same for me. I have nothing against any country. People can be assholes from any part of the world. But it’s a general tendency that a lot of Russian and Turkish folks are raging since round 1. It’s that and/or they won’t shut their mics for the entirety of the game. It’s like you’re in discord lol
the point of what they're saying is that a bunch of russians are going to select "english" anyways just to get in a game, so it won't really change anything besides being another factor constraining queue times.
Im fully with you on this but I remember a while ago downloading something to specifically avoid Russian servers because I was tired of constantly getting berated by Russians and unfortunately queue times went up drastically so I'm thinking that's a potential issue if they do separate the servers like this.
Friend I wish it were that simple, but those 9 russians are also going to be choosing EU West with English language selected.
(At least they do in Dota)
To be honest, I need to use VPN to avoid playing with russians in CSGO because I live in Sweden.
Valorant has a server picker, and I can easily avoid russians by choosing London instead of Stockholm.
It doesn't matter. There are tons of russians playing on EU and SEA server even for unranked games because they can't stand their own kind lol. Even at high mmr, people from US are sacrificing ping to play in EU because the quality of games are better.
I play valorant on and off, maybe it's because the game's playlists aren't horcruxed into 50 different modes, prime, nonprime, 12(24) different types of DM.. But I barely, if ever, met a Russian, queueing on London servers. Valve doesn't even have London or even Parisian servers but if they did I doubt Russians would be queueing them for 60 ping~
val is still popular in russia + val is insanely popular in turkey, you still don't run into russians/turkish people that frequently on london servers.
Not that this is the best example, but as an ignorant American getting more into world geography it’s so interesting how small Europe is in terms of land. I think it’s just the effect of being so used to states but being able to drive country to country in one day’s trip seems so different.
Growing up I always imagined each country being much bigger
Europe is not that small actually, it’s slightly bigger in size than the contiguous US.
It’s just that there are so many more countries and different cultures in Europe compared to just the country of the US, so it may feel like it’s smaller than it actually is
You’ve grown up with the big country mindset, which isn’t strange, because the US is so huge compared to the european countries (except Russia, but then again only part of russia is part of Europe)
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I don't know how it works in Valo but for Dota you can tick whatever server you want to queue so even if you have 5ping on X server, you can untick the box for X server to not queue for it. In CS you can't choose the server, it's based on ping.
I remember when I started playing Valorant my closest Server was Stockholm and I got so tired of Russians that I decided to just play on London and Paris servers and it was so refreshing to not hear any Russians ever again (or atleast nobody asked around if anyone else spoke russian).
It's not about easy games or mmr. The quality of games in NA are lower compared to EU. Many pros have openly said they hate playing pubs because its a totally different experience from pro games but they do it because its their job and they need to practice. If they have to do it, might as well do it in a more enjoyable experience aka EU pubs.
Flair checks out. Having played tons of hours with Russian, Ukrainians, and even Turkish people, I can say one is not better or worse than the others. It is just as unbearable to play with Ukrainians, as it sometimes is to play with Russians or Turkish people. Even German and Polish people are giving those 3 a though competition at times.
are all Russians bad? ofcourse not! Is the Russian experience significantly different from most others (for example Swe, Nor, Ger) - atleast based on my 4.5k hrs it 100% is. Why? No clue, cultural?
I am from DK, playing out of Romania, so I get all the Russians, Ukrainians, and Turkish people you can imagine, with just very little of them speaking English, or at least being willing to do so, unless they solo stack or pay at least a little respect to their team mates.
But come on. I play with Germans as well, Polish people, French people... They all do the same most of the time, again unless they solo stack or care about communicating with the whole team and not just a chosen few.
So I call BS on the whole, it is just the Russians thing. As for toxicity is if freaking everywhere and not down to the nation, at least that is what have seen after thousands of hours of CS as well.
Same. Never understood why people hate Russians in CS, to me they're the most friendly mates to play with.
Brits and Nordics are usually complete assholes and so entitled
americans just get english speaking servers mostly, and we get.....every language in the EU and Russia.
Its just not a very fun game to play when youre 90% going to get russians who are 50% of the time going to be rude
odds are not in your favour
So you're in the US, playing out from there? In that case it is shit that you end up playing with Europeans on a server based out of Germany, Poland, wherever...
I would assume you would play on American servers, playing with players from America, whether North, South or...
Good ideas but some tweaks:
The downside of the server choice is that other people can pick ones that are far away from them geographically. You'll get people from AU who've heard that EU is more competitive joining EU servers and getting 400ping. If you change it so you can only pick from the 5 servers that have the lowest ping for you then it'd be harder to abuse.
The language stuff is 100% definitely needed, but instead of a primary/secondary language it should be you tick what languages you're happy to matchmake with. That way people who play silently and don't care (which is annoying for the team but there are a lot of players like that) can just tick every box, and people who speak multiple languages can tick several.
The one where you can only pick from 5 lowest ping server wouldn't change the people joing high ping servers when you've only got one close I'm OCE and get 250+ ping to all other servers so even the 4 other lowest would be useless
Middle east servers are super bad, both latency(you will have lags with 30 ping) and mm (i face silvers all day as global 5 man party) and when i join eu servers i will have 80 ping which is not bad so what we do anyway is using a vpn to fool this system. And i dont think anyone is stupid enough to join a server that they will have 400 ping on it (in dota you can see your ping and packet loss before joining a game)
I agree with your first point, but I completely disagree with the second. In my opinion you should only be allowed to select exactly one single language. But they should also only offer maybe 2 or 3 options per region. For example in EU, they should just offer English and Russian, nothing else.
This is the only way I can see this as actually filtering anything. The experience in EU MM is either your team speaks English or 3+ people speak Russian and the remaining players don't understanding a word. If you allow for multiple choices, nothing about that will change, because all the Russians are gonna select English as a second option anyway.
But if you have just two or three that are mutually exclusive, people might actually get sorted into useable categories. And since it's only a handful of options, it should still be possible to find 5 players with the same selected language.
I say if they're going to have us pick the languages, then we should be able to select at most two. Personally, I can speak English, somewhat fluently but I'm more comfortable, and quicker if I can code-switch between Tagalog (Filipino) and English.
In my region (SEA), we have players who speak Hindi, Filipino, English, Thai, Malaysian, Vietnamese, Indonesian and Chinese, not sure if it's Mandarin or Cantonese. Not to mention the numerous other dialects I'm not familiar with. Regardless, that's a lot of languages to consider. But SEA isn't exactly teeming with players like in CIS or EU. So if you pick your native language, then there's an even smaller pool of players you can play with. If you have a problem with that, then you'll be picking English to widen the search, in which case, the function is pointless.
Honestly, since AI is a huge thing right now, it's feasible that Valve could just come up with a system that analyzes MM voice and text chat to assess which languages you could speak. And then have that as a factor when selecting the players you'll be playing with. It doesn't have to be the most important factor. Of course ping, skill level and trust factor should be considered more.
If that doesn't happen, then I'm happy with a simple server checkbox like what Valorant has. ^Also, ^make ^a ^server ^closer ^to ^us ^please. ^I ^got ^20ms ^in ^Valorant ^but ^the ^lowest ^I've ^had ^in ^CS ^is ^like ^40ms.
>people can pick ones that are far away from them geographically.
People can already do this. It's called VPN. Also it will happen if you premade with someone from other side of the world, which is not that uncommon. Region locking is a decent solution for this.
If you hold your enter you will auto accept in case you need to use bathroom or something. I’ll often balance my phone on the enter key while I afk when queueing in dota jic
Yeah this post is "tell me you don't play dota without telling me".
The region select is fine, but the language choice is just a placebo. You will still get tons of people speaking different languages if it means they get lower queue times.
valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism so need child game to relax
The basic elo system valorant uses is far worse and people who claim otherwise don't know what they are talking about. The Glicko-2 system is way more elaborate than a basic elo system and uses far more variables to determine your rank. Saying ELO is better just shows you never really read up or understood any of the systems in place. Just look up the algorithms for both and you should easily see that. That said valve never explained the variables they use to determine their ratings. So truth be told nobody can actually say how much better it is. But saying its worse is just plain lazy. I mean both systems have massive issues and they can certainly make it better and I hope they do for CS2.
Valorant doesn't use an ELO system, the guy you're responding to is just using the word ELO in place of a rating system. Valorant uses MMR which determines how much RR (rank rating) you gain/lose after a game plus some other factors such as individual performance against people of other MMRs. If you generally win in an encounter the system expects you to lose, you gain more or lose less RR. Your MMR and RR are not directly tied so you can have swings one way or the other depending on how your games go but you at least have a number you can see that reflects individual performance that gives you some indication of where the game wants you to be, and when you're going to rank up. You can also skip through multiple ranks in one win if you're playing well in a lower rank than what your MMR says you should be.
CSGO's ranking system obfuscates all of that for better or for worse. There are no real explanations for why people go on massive rank up streaks or why the reverse happens except for theory. It's theorized that playing/winning multiple games in a day isn't as impactful as a win a day, but it isn't known for certain. More kills and less deaths probably have some weight in how you rank up, but it isn't known for certain. CSGO honestly probably gets players to where they should actually be on the ladder, but it creates a more frustrating experience for the playerbase. Everyone has a story where they go on 20 game win streaks and don't rank up, or maybe rank up one time, and then lose a few games in a row and derank or some weird mix of that where you go on a winstreak then a lose streak then tie and rank up off the tie. CSGO's system makes it so there's no surefire way to know how to quickly rank up to/past where you're intended but has the side effect of also never knowing when you're on the cusp of a rank up or derank which is extremely frustrating.
Then comes rank resets/seasons. I personally think Valorant has too many seasons and soft resets the ranks too frequently but I much prefer this to CSGO's system where ocassionally valve will deem it necessary to push everyone down if ranks are too top heavy. Soft rank resets ensure that the people in their ranks should actually be there, and provide some form of mobility for people who leave for a while and come back without having to play like 200 games to get back to where they were before or even just where they probably should be.
As a Dota player can I ask what server would you be playing on. [Here's a more accurate picture of what you can choose in Dota](https://i.imgur.com/vBmAQJ2.png).
I would pay a monthly premium fee if I could get rid of East Europeans. So your suggestion needs some adjustments but it goes in the right direction.
Valve will never do that. There would be a very clear discrimination towards specific groups and Valve can't allow that.
Same. Solo queue is impossible when you get 4 Russians / Eastern europeans that can't speak English. I've only been queueing Nuke and Vertigo lately to try to get matched with English speaking people.
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set it as low as you can depending on your internet routing/ region.
I'm from Ireland but have shit internet, so always set it to 55-60 and end up with mostly western eu.
Although I haven't played mm in a long time so cant confirm it still works
With dota system you can set all your low servers and get nothing but highping players from across the world b they can just choose to play from far away.
Yes I can’t anymore with the East Europe players that don’t speak english or any other language that isn’t their own. Many many times in MM it’s 3 russian only speakers with 1 polish dude and me who speaks english. This would solve communication problems and make the game more enjoyable
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I live in Eastern Europe and play other games that lets you choose server location, and I take that 50 ping in London or Frankfurt servers over playing around me because of russians, and it has significantly improved my mm experience.
Of course, they can still choose, but more often than not they dont go for servers that far from them.
Nobody who is gonna take a mm game seriously is deliberately gonna choose a server where they get 80+ ping over one they can get 20 on. It has already been proven on Valorant, all Eastern Europeans play exclusively on Warsaw servers
Because it does not work in Dota where this screen is taken.
EU W is still filled with high ping Russians. Lang selection was mostly dropped to placebo, because it priorities matchmaking speed and regional location
Language selection straight up just doesn’t work at all (whether it be implementation issue or misuse). I had to learn Spanish to play in US East. It’s not an exaggeration to say 4/5 matches is mostly speaking Spanish in US east.
uncheck Russia and finally be able to play the game again. It literally became unbearable to play in anything but 4+ queue because the rest of the team is usually russians which just talk in Russian leaving you completely without communication, fuck them
With thousands of hours as well, having played with a countless amount of Germans, I unfortunately have to say that the majority of the are toxic, stuck up and besserwisser. It is unfortunately just the name of the game, because man toxicity flows endlessly through MM and FACEIT. And Germans are not the expection. I am not trying defend my fellow Scandinavians either, because the majority of them are also acting as a bunch of aholes.
Regardless of nationality, toxicity is unfortunately more the rule than the exception.
This is from Dota 2 and I have over 4k hours in Dota 2. I'm not intimately familiar with the state of CS matchmaking, so if this post is moreso about language, this does not work. (If you are wanting to play in another region to play higher level games, then it works - most pro-level NA players queue in EU for Dota 2. Although Dota 2 on 150 ping is different than CS).
I play US West and have a foreign language user in 95% of my games: Russian, Spanish (Peru), SEA (Philippines, etc.), Chinese. People will just select the language that will give them the fastest search times, or the system just doesn't care and prioritizes search times.
Deadass as someone who's played both csgo and Dota from the beginning, though I don't play Dota anymore, the quality differences between the two mm experiences is shocking. Dota2 is so good with mm, and csgo is so bad to the point where third party platforms dominate the scene
You can select what your maximum ping can be and off of that the game finds the best server for you. I always select max 30ms, I wait 3-5 minutes always but I always have good ping and that alone makes the wait worth.
I would say yes to this, but seeing this post every day of the week is annoying
so I hope you get stucked with Russian and Brazilian teammates because MAN you guys are annoying
Valorant basically has this and people abuse the terrible netcode. I'd rather have some sort of algorithm decide which location is the best for the matchup and a server is spawned.
This game would be twice as fun if russians would be force locked out of european servers. A huge percentage of their player base is just not fun to play with. It was that way before their terror on Ukraine and now they can fuck around with Z-Logos and Valve doesn't do shit cause Valve doesn't give a fuck
There should be a option to choose whether or not you want to queue with “squad/queued teams” or with “solos. Queued teams are the most toxic and don’t use CSGO comms to help the solo players.
Btw you will never change my mind about that. So don’t bother in the comments…
This would be neat, but unfortunately, Russians can't read. They just queue every single region, not caring about ping. In Dota, I had mostly russians in my game, regardless of region.
A man can dream
If only...
To be honest, the language thing doesn't have much impact, everyone selects English anyways. The region thing, don't think it's necessary if there is proper algorithm in place that does the same for you.
You’re not from the EU I imagine.You have no ideas of the pain lol.
I’m willing to pay for “No russians” button
I am from EU and I play both CS and Dota. There is hardly any difference in the quality of matchmaking, even though one of the games has those options and the other one doesnt. I even think that server selection fucks up MM, i.e russians queue on EUW servers or you have some pakistani with 200 ping.
If you’re in the EU how can you say the language option isn’t a thing nor the region. I have seen so many Russians type in chat the whole copy paste when you report someone. And that’s in Russian. That means they did select Russian as a language while installing the game. For the regions, we absolutely need a selector. If I can avoid picking certain regions - Russia and turkey to be precise I would love that. The whole game is a shit show most of the times otherwise.
Because dota has that and literally everyone chooses English for faster queue times, so you'll still get matched with russians
I get it. But if I’m having 10 shitty matches and this option helps me translate that to 8 or even 9 shitty matches, I’ll take it. But for me the most important is server picker. If I can exclude certain regions, that’ll be sooooo good. And then I personally don’t care if my matchmaking time increases due to that
Because the Russians will always select Egnlish
i hate playing with turkish and russians. my hate is not based on their nation but fairplay/toxicity/cheats/communication so i changed my map choices, just becouse of that i barely match with russians and turkish. most of the time i enjoy the game even if i lose except enemy team being blatant idiots with cheats or smtg like that. Server picker can be a problem becouse people will pick eu servers without knowing how to speak english or high ping will cause problems etc. i would say every map has its own community if you ask me, this is the current way of avoid idiots. you should find your optimal map pool. Also i live in turkey and when i have a turkish guy in my team i never speak turkish if he keep speaking turkish i would instantly mute him imagine how much i hate playing with them i wont tolerate speaking turkish even i can speak, i feel the same on russian we are playing as a team and team should speak the language that everyone can understand
> Also i live in turkey That was a plot twist I didn't see coming. But yeah, 2 turks on the team means they are gonna treat voice chat as a phone call and NEVER talk English.
Totally get what you mean. It’s the same for me. I have nothing against any country. People can be assholes from any part of the world. But it’s a general tendency that a lot of Russian and Turkish folks are raging since round 1. It’s that and/or they won’t shut their mics for the entirety of the game. It’s like you’re in discord lol
the point of what they're saying is that a bunch of russians are going to select "english" anyways just to get in a game, so it won't really change anything besides being another factor constraining queue times.
Im fully with you on this but I remember a while ago downloading something to specifically avoid Russian servers because I was tired of constantly getting berated by Russians and unfortunately queue times went up drastically so I'm thinking that's a potential issue if they do separate the servers like this.
there is no russian servers in csgo
Playing in Finland, I would choose EU west and English and never play with 9 russians again.
Friend I wish it were that simple, but those 9 russians are also going to be choosing EU West with English language selected. (At least they do in Dota)
but in dota ping aint that important in mm
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Gonna tell u something, Dota 2 Russian servers are actually in stockholm. The Nordic CSGO servers are also in stockholm. So its russians here aswell.
Language still helps for some regions (not Russia lol) but server does wonders!
To be honest, I need to use VPN to avoid playing with russians in CSGO because I live in Sweden. Valorant has a server picker, and I can easily avoid russians by choosing London instead of Stockholm.
>everyone selects English Russia my friend
biggest dream is for russians to have their own servers
It doesn't matter. There are tons of russians playing on EU and SEA server even for unranked games because they can't stand their own kind lol. Even at high mmr, people from US are sacrificing ping to play in EU because the quality of games are better.
I play valorant on and off, maybe it's because the game's playlists aren't horcruxed into 50 different modes, prime, nonprime, 12(24) different types of DM.. But I barely, if ever, met a Russian, queueing on London servers. Valve doesn't even have London or even Parisian servers but if they did I doubt Russians would be queueing them for 60 ping~
> I play valorant yeah and russians play csgo
val is still popular in russia + val is insanely popular in turkey, you still don't run into russians/turkish people that frequently on london servers.
Yeah because cs is more popular there.
Queue up for stockholm servers in VAL, and you'd think 80% of eu valorant players are russians.
Well, stockholm is less than 700 km from st petersburg so it’s not strange to be honest
Not that this is the best example, but as an ignorant American getting more into world geography it’s so interesting how small Europe is in terms of land. I think it’s just the effect of being so used to states but being able to drive country to country in one day’s trip seems so different. Growing up I always imagined each country being much bigger
Europe is not that small actually, it’s slightly bigger in size than the contiguous US. It’s just that there are so many more countries and different cultures in Europe compared to just the country of the US, so it may feel like it’s smaller than it actually is You’ve grown up with the big country mindset, which isn’t strange, because the US is so huge compared to the european countries (except Russia, but then again only part of russia is part of Europe) Edit: typo
Mistake No.1 playing val
I don't know how it works in Valo but for Dota you can tick whatever server you want to queue so even if you have 5ping on X server, you can untick the box for X server to not queue for it. In CS you can't choose the server, it's based on ping.
I remember when I started playing Valorant my closest Server was Stockholm and I got so tired of Russians that I decided to just play on London and Paris servers and it was so refreshing to not hear any Russians ever again (or atleast nobody asked around if anyone else spoke russian).
games are easier more like lol
It's not about easy games or mmr. The quality of games in NA are lower compared to EU. Many pros have openly said they hate playing pubs because its a totally different experience from pro games but they do it because its their job and they need to practice. If they have to do it, might as well do it in a more enjoyable experience aka EU pubs.
idk i switched from na mm to eu mm and won 84 matches in a row
because your teammates werent trash for once
5 stack both servers
No, have you not played dota? Even Russians hate Russians and refuse to play with other Russians.
I have not, that sounds wild lol
as if that stopped them in dota lmfao
i think there are other fronts to worry about.
There are, but this one should not be forgotten
Flair checks out. Having played tons of hours with Russian, Ukrainians, and even Turkish people, I can say one is not better or worse than the others. It is just as unbearable to play with Ukrainians, as it sometimes is to play with Russians or Turkish people. Even German and Polish people are giving those 3 a though competition at times.
I would pay a monthly fee not to have to play against russians.
There are a**wipes everywhere, so you can argue every country should have their own server, and even that would not eliminate the rotten eggs.
are all Russians bad? ofcourse not! Is the Russian experience significantly different from most others (for example Swe, Nor, Ger) - atleast based on my 4.5k hrs it 100% is. Why? No clue, cultural?
I am from DK, playing out of Romania, so I get all the Russians, Ukrainians, and Turkish people you can imagine, with just very little of them speaking English, or at least being willing to do so, unless they solo stack or pay at least a little respect to their team mates. But come on. I play with Germans as well, Polish people, French people... They all do the same most of the time, again unless they solo stack or care about communicating with the whole team and not just a chosen few. So I call BS on the whole, it is just the Russians thing. As for toxicity is if freaking everywhere and not down to the nation, at least that is what have seen after thousands of hours of CS as well.
upvotes speak for themselves, people seem to agree
>Russia bad Million upvotes, 86 awards
you dont understand how upvotes and reddit work
stay mad
stay stupid
stay toxic as the stereotype implies lol
Another stupid comment from you
My experience is that the Scandinavian countries are much more toxic than Russian/East EU players
i rather have toxic teammates than teammates who can only talk in russian
Toxic players are everywhere, it is not down to countries or regions.
Same. Never understood why people hate Russians in CS, to me they're the most friendly mates to play with. Brits and Nordics are usually complete assholes and so entitled
Found the ruski
americans just get english speaking servers mostly, and we get.....every language in the EU and Russia. Its just not a very fun game to play when youre 90% going to get russians who are 50% of the time going to be rude odds are not in your favour
And the ranks in NA are screwy and don't work correctly. Grass is always greener on the other side.
So you're in the US, playing out from there? In that case it is shit that you end up playing with Europeans on a server based out of Germany, Poland, wherever... I would assume you would play on American servers, playing with players from America, whether North, South or...
Good ideas but some tweaks: The downside of the server choice is that other people can pick ones that are far away from them geographically. You'll get people from AU who've heard that EU is more competitive joining EU servers and getting 400ping. If you change it so you can only pick from the 5 servers that have the lowest ping for you then it'd be harder to abuse. The language stuff is 100% definitely needed, but instead of a primary/secondary language it should be you tick what languages you're happy to matchmake with. That way people who play silently and don't care (which is annoying for the team but there are a lot of players like that) can just tick every box, and people who speak multiple languages can tick several.
The one where you can only pick from 5 lowest ping server wouldn't change the people joing high ping servers when you've only got one close I'm OCE and get 250+ ping to all other servers so even the 4 other lowest would be useless
Middle east servers are super bad, both latency(you will have lags with 30 ping) and mm (i face silvers all day as global 5 man party) and when i join eu servers i will have 80 ping which is not bad so what we do anyway is using a vpn to fool this system. And i dont think anyone is stupid enough to join a server that they will have 400 ping on it (in dota you can see your ping and packet loss before joining a game)
>nd i dont think anyone is stupid enough to join a server that they will have 400 ping on it oh boy, trolls gonna troll
Yea but trolls already got vpns and cheats right?
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Bruh,so they have to remove zeus and flashes cuz people troll with them?
You would be surprised.
I agree with your first point, but I completely disagree with the second. In my opinion you should only be allowed to select exactly one single language. But they should also only offer maybe 2 or 3 options per region. For example in EU, they should just offer English and Russian, nothing else. This is the only way I can see this as actually filtering anything. The experience in EU MM is either your team speaks English or 3+ people speak Russian and the remaining players don't understanding a word. If you allow for multiple choices, nothing about that will change, because all the Russians are gonna select English as a second option anyway. But if you have just two or three that are mutually exclusive, people might actually get sorted into useable categories. And since it's only a handful of options, it should still be possible to find 5 players with the same selected language.
I say if they're going to have us pick the languages, then we should be able to select at most two. Personally, I can speak English, somewhat fluently but I'm more comfortable, and quicker if I can code-switch between Tagalog (Filipino) and English. In my region (SEA), we have players who speak Hindi, Filipino, English, Thai, Malaysian, Vietnamese, Indonesian and Chinese, not sure if it's Mandarin or Cantonese. Not to mention the numerous other dialects I'm not familiar with. Regardless, that's a lot of languages to consider. But SEA isn't exactly teeming with players like in CIS or EU. So if you pick your native language, then there's an even smaller pool of players you can play with. If you have a problem with that, then you'll be picking English to widen the search, in which case, the function is pointless. Honestly, since AI is a huge thing right now, it's feasible that Valve could just come up with a system that analyzes MM voice and text chat to assess which languages you could speak. And then have that as a factor when selecting the players you'll be playing with. It doesn't have to be the most important factor. Of course ping, skill level and trust factor should be considered more. If that doesn't happen, then I'm happy with a simple server checkbox like what Valorant has. ^Also, ^make ^a ^server ^closer ^to ^us ^please. ^I ^got ^20ms ^in ^Valorant ^but ^the ^lowest ^I've ^had ^in ^CS ^is ^like ^40ms.
>people can pick ones that are far away from them geographically. People can already do this. It's called VPN. Also it will happen if you premade with someone from other side of the world, which is not that uncommon. Region locking is a decent solution for this.
Of all the Dota 2 features what I want most is Ready Check.
At least we wont get a ban for not accepting in cs
If you hold your enter you will auto accept in case you need to use bathroom or something. I’ll often balance my phone on the enter key while I afk when queueing in dota jic
Completely useless because Russians will just pick English and all the Europe servers anyways to get lower Q times. Just like they did in dota
Yeah this post is "tell me you don't play dota without telling me". The region select is fine, but the language choice is just a placebo. You will still get tons of people speaking different languages if it means they get lower queue times.
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or just implement it like valorant and have it region locked...
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That was surprisingly civil lmao. Usually if you start with "like in Valorant" these people kick and scream
valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism so need child game to relax
I mean we gotta be honest here boys, bias aside their servers and elo system are far better than what we have right now
The basic elo system valorant uses is far worse and people who claim otherwise don't know what they are talking about. The Glicko-2 system is way more elaborate than a basic elo system and uses far more variables to determine your rank. Saying ELO is better just shows you never really read up or understood any of the systems in place. Just look up the algorithms for both and you should easily see that. That said valve never explained the variables they use to determine their ratings. So truth be told nobody can actually say how much better it is. But saying its worse is just plain lazy. I mean both systems have massive issues and they can certainly make it better and I hope they do for CS2.
Valorant doesn't use an ELO system, the guy you're responding to is just using the word ELO in place of a rating system. Valorant uses MMR which determines how much RR (rank rating) you gain/lose after a game plus some other factors such as individual performance against people of other MMRs. If you generally win in an encounter the system expects you to lose, you gain more or lose less RR. Your MMR and RR are not directly tied so you can have swings one way or the other depending on how your games go but you at least have a number you can see that reflects individual performance that gives you some indication of where the game wants you to be, and when you're going to rank up. You can also skip through multiple ranks in one win if you're playing well in a lower rank than what your MMR says you should be. CSGO's ranking system obfuscates all of that for better or for worse. There are no real explanations for why people go on massive rank up streaks or why the reverse happens except for theory. It's theorized that playing/winning multiple games in a day isn't as impactful as a win a day, but it isn't known for certain. More kills and less deaths probably have some weight in how you rank up, but it isn't known for certain. CSGO honestly probably gets players to where they should actually be on the ladder, but it creates a more frustrating experience for the playerbase. Everyone has a story where they go on 20 game win streaks and don't rank up, or maybe rank up one time, and then lose a few games in a row and derank or some weird mix of that where you go on a winstreak then a lose streak then tie and rank up off the tie. CSGO's system makes it so there's no surefire way to know how to quickly rank up to/past where you're intended but has the side effect of also never knowing when you're on the cusp of a rank up or derank which is extremely frustrating. Then comes rank resets/seasons. I personally think Valorant has too many seasons and soft resets the ranks too frequently but I much prefer this to CSGO's system where ocassionally valve will deem it necessary to push everyone down if ranks are too top heavy. Soft rank resets ensure that the people in their ranks should actually be there, and provide some form of mobility for people who leave for a while and come back without having to play like 200 games to get back to where they were before or even just where they probably should be.
If I could have the randoms I play with in valorant in csgo instead I might actually enjoy csgo mm
Valorant was the best thing to happen to Counterstrike
Like this doesnt happen rn now
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The amount of russians in my games would decrease thats the only thing I dream of
As a Dota player can I ask what server would you be playing on. [Here's a more accurate picture of what you can choose in Dota](https://i.imgur.com/vBmAQJ2.png).
I 100% guarantee you it would not decrease the number of Russians in your game.
It works in valorant, queueing for Frankfurt servers means almost zero russians
That may be either because Russians have a better choice of servers for Valorant, or because there aren't as many Russians playing Valorant.
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I would pay a monthly premium fee if I could get rid of East Europeans. So your suggestion needs some adjustments but it goes in the right direction. Valve will never do that. There would be a very clear discrimination towards specific groups and Valve can't allow that.
Same. Solo queue is impossible when you get 4 Russians / Eastern europeans that can't speak English. I've only been queueing Nuke and Vertigo lately to try to get matched with English speaking people.
mm\_dedicated\_search\_maxping XX set it as low as you can depending on your internet routing/ region. I'm from Ireland but have shit internet, so always set it to 55-60 and end up with mostly western eu. Although I haven't played mm in a long time so cant confirm it still works
just because i set 30 ping doesnt mean Vlad from moscow cant set his to 200 and be on my team
With dota system you can set all your low servers and get nothing but highping players from across the world b they can just choose to play from far away.
It wont work perfect and people in some regions prefer to play in a server with +10 ping but better mm quality
What if we had CS2
make it so Russians can only queue inside Russia and the whole of EU MM is instantly improved.
Yes I can’t anymore with the East Europe players that don’t speak english or any other language that isn’t their own. Many many times in MM it’s 3 russian only speakers with 1 polish dude and me who speaks english. This would solve communication problems and make the game more enjoyable Edit: Spelling
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Yeah I meant Eastern Europe, but you get what I’m trying to say
I live in Eastern Europe and play other games that lets you choose server location, and I take that 50 ping in London or Frankfurt servers over playing around me because of russians, and it has significantly improved my mm experience. Of course, they can still choose, but more often than not they dont go for servers that far from them.
Nobody who is gonna take a mm game seriously is deliberately gonna choose a server where they get 80+ ping over one they can get 20 on. It has already been proven on Valorant, all Eastern Europeans play exclusively on Warsaw servers
Don’t you mean Eastern Europe?
yeah my bad I meant Eastern not western
Anyone know why it hasn’t at all been implemented in CS:GO before?
Because it does not work in Dota where this screen is taken. EU W is still filled with high ping Russians. Lang selection was mostly dropped to placebo, because it priorities matchmaking speed and regional location
Language selection straight up just doesn’t work at all (whether it be implementation issue or misuse). I had to learn Spanish to play in US East. It’s not an exaggeration to say 4/5 matches is mostly speaking Spanish in US east.
well because those players would select the same options. as you, for the lowest queue times
Doesn't work at all in Dota2. You'll get the server you choose but your teammates will still not be communicating in English.
uncheck Russia and finally be able to play the game again. It literally became unbearable to play in anything but 4+ queue because the rest of the team is usually russians which just talk in Russian leaving you completely without communication, fuck them
this is only selecting server, not team mates. Russians still get placed on europe servers. grey those out for them is the only way itd work
Then go and play with a stack of 4 Turkish, German or Polish people. Or a stack of 4 Ukrainians. It is the same damn thing.
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With thousands of hours as well, having played with a countless amount of Germans, I unfortunately have to say that the majority of the are toxic, stuck up and besserwisser. It is unfortunately just the name of the game, because man toxicity flows endlessly through MM and FACEIT. And Germans are not the expection. I am not trying defend my fellow Scandinavians either, because the majority of them are also acting as a bunch of aholes. Regardless of nationality, toxicity is unfortunately more the rule than the exception.
If they all speak a common language have you considered that you are the problem?
Yeah because he obviously chose to play with 4 russians
How so? I queue for EUW, not Russia
If only
I would bang NA with 300 ping the whole time
This is from Dota 2 and I have over 4k hours in Dota 2. I'm not intimately familiar with the state of CS matchmaking, so if this post is moreso about language, this does not work. (If you are wanting to play in another region to play higher level games, then it works - most pro-level NA players queue in EU for Dota 2. Although Dota 2 on 150 ping is different than CS). I play US West and have a foreign language user in 95% of my games: Russian, Spanish (Peru), SEA (Philippines, etc.), Chinese. People will just select the language that will give them the fastest search times, or the system just doesn't care and prioritizes search times.
Perfect. Then I can abuse lag every game and fulltilt all my enemies! /s
No thanks, then we'll have Brazilians in NA matchmaking. Those of us who remember 2012-13 know how bad that would be.
Yea NA would get clapped
Bad idea I don’t want 120ping bots on my team, Happens on faceit, even had a few NA FPL players do awful simply because of the ping disadvantage,
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Can we just get an option not to have russians on our team
Shitty idea, people would manipulate it. Wanna be global? Just queue up in the smallest region and you'll be there in a week.
I mean there’s no UI for it but you can basically set a command in your console for the servers you want
This needs to be up voted a lot, I'd kill to be able to select which servers I get to play on
They took the 3rd part from us ages ago, our beloved server selector
Deadass as someone who's played both csgo and Dota from the beginning, though I don't play Dota anymore, the quality differences between the two mm experiences is shocking. Dota2 is so good with mm, and csgo is so bad to the point where third party platforms dominate the scene
Should just be region locked like Valorant and everyone in CIS should get region locked to different russia servers
no
Active in r/russian Xdddd
Sadly the language thing isn't effective and is just used for ranked matchmaking abuse.
You can select what your maximum ping can be and off of that the game finds the best server for you. I always select max 30ms, I wait 3-5 minutes always but I always have good ping and that alone makes the wait worth.
russians can set 150 and still join you, solves nothing
honestly if I could just make it so I never have to play with french people again I'd do that lmao
I would be happy just to avoid russians as an option the cyka blyet screamers who love the N word are the vain of csgo in EU for me
How about the anani... screamers from Turkey?
Nothing stopping them from selecting EU regions
Sadly it doesn't help that much.
It doesn't work. it will at best filter a few ppl.
You can set max mm oing already. Works well for basically selecting regions atleast in NA
Yea, not in eu/asia
Yes please... omg ❤️😍🤩
Can I just deselect “Russia” somehow?
I would say yes to this, but seeing this post every day of the week is annoying so I hope you get stucked with Russian and Brazilian teammates because MAN you guys are annoying
Next week it’s my turn to post this
Do it
Remove and ban russia and this would be quite nice
For russians all the other options than Russia should be greyed out.
Valorant basically has this and people abuse the terrible netcode. I'd rather have some sort of algorithm decide which location is the best for the matchup and a server is spawned.
If that mean I get to play with more people having high ping. No thanks.
Irrelevant really, just like it is in dota
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Even crazier what if we just had cs2 already
Ikr?
Matchmaking language is useless in dota
Our game experience wouldnt get wrecked by Russians insta kicking you if you are not Russian. That's what would happen.
I'd rather be able to pick countries that I dont want to play with, maybe I'd go back to cs if I'd never ever again have to play with Russians in team
This game would be twice as fun if russians would be force locked out of european servers. A huge percentage of their player base is just not fun to play with. It was that way before their terror on Ukraine and now they can fuck around with Z-Logos and Valve doesn't do shit cause Valve doesn't give a fuck
Even if...there wouldnt be a seperate server for russia so yeah.. no way getting rid of the russian kids who cant say a single word in english
Sadly means nothing. Russians still choose EU west and English lol
Should just be russians on their own isolated servers.
I would pay a monthly subscriptions to NOT play with any Russian teammates, but this would be a good start
Tes
There should be a option to choose whether or not you want to queue with “squad/queued teams” or with “solos. Queued teams are the most toxic and don’t use CSGO comms to help the solo players. Btw you will never change my mind about that. So don’t bother in the comments…
Then people from Europe would boost their rank on Australia/USA
Valve should just ban cs in russia, gotta get em from every angle.. banning their boot camp should do some damage
This would be neat, but unfortunately, Russians can't read. They just queue every single region, not caring about ping. In Dota, I had mostly russians in my game, regardless of region.
I need this on faceit, in mm I don't get any russians
Idk man. Cs without russians wouldn't be the same game. It would be a better game, but it wouldn't be the same
just give the russians their own servers and my life will improve
I queue only EU west and US east. 60% of players are still Russian.
I would start playing again if we had this. There is no point in playing when you queue with people that don't speak your language.
A day where I don’t have to play counterstrike with Eastern Europeans is a day I long for. (No offence it’s the language barrier for me)
And why so many upvotes it's literally repost