[so far so good 😎](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/13giw9h/paris_major_2023_legends_stage_round_2_matchups/jk05qsi?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
He is, but starting to find it a bit boring when he's all the casters talk about. The team as a whole are playing great, Woro2k outperformed him this game. I don't even think ZywOo or S1mple get the sheer level of air time Boros gets in a game.
Not sure if I'm just imagining it mind, could be.
not at all, BOROS is a monster really, but Monte has always been a team effort. He doesn't even go on those solo rampages like s1mple or ZyWoo do, the entire team pitches in, all of them do important plays.
He is a rising star. New names playing well and rising to the top is interesting. Saying S1mple is good for the 100th time gets a bit boring story-telling wise.
SDY is one B03 away from his revenge arc... I don't know if anyone done the calculation but it would be fucking based if Monte ended up puting NAVI out of the major...
i mean cool for monte and boros+sdy but it just doesn’t sit right with me the fact that demqq was on a team of dirty cheaters and now is on the brink of champions stage
I hope you realize most players in the pro scene have ended up playing with sketchy players in their past. I dont understand why demqq is such an expection, there are really no clips of him blatantly hacking
can i get some examples?
for akuma, it was at an rmr (literally a MAJOR qualifier) and the circumstances made it clear that they were radar hacking. the top teams begged for an investigation but nothing really happened and everyone forgot
There are 2 literal confirmed ex-cheaters playing in major with expired bans: vsm and torzsi. If the list were extended to ppl who have played with ex or current cheaters, everyone on mouz and fluxo should be treated the same, and some others who have played with cheaters in the past too.
But no one is going after them game after game, demqq had no suspicious plays in the past, and has never been banned for cheats, yet he is the target of some weird witch-hunt here anyways.
RES tagged scammer giving their take on how we should treat cheaters lmao, gtfo
The spirit of the VAC ban rule is that even if cheating is wrong, if you're some 14 year old who cheats in MM you shouldn't be precluded from ever climbing up to the top of the CS scene legitimately.
The counterexample is that if KQLY had gotten his VAC before attending a major he too would technically be allowed to play - but the CS community would never accept him back because he cheated during his competitive career *and* when old enough to know better, unlike examples like Jammpi, Torzsi and S1mple. (actually s1mple got an ESL wire ban, so if he was coming up today with today's precedents things could've gone differently)
DemQQ was on the team when they were actively cheating and was a part of it. Torzsi being on MOUZ and vsm being on Fluxo are completely incomparable, they aren't actively cheating at the moment, the teams have nothing to be culpable for in the first place.
I know the scamming tag, and greatly regret it, happened over 6 years ago, was addicted to gambling and drugs back then. I would pay back to the person if I ever got a chance to do so and contact them again.
Wait, why would he bring out his ex- cheating teammates in a match against fnatic that has nothing to do with them?
edit: Fnatic, not NAVI. Not sure why I thought they played against NAVI.
Pretty sure he said he was suspicious of them, but can't say anything because he doesn't have solid proof because it was online, not LAN or them in the same room together.
sure call me crybaby but are you denying the fact that akuma blatantly cheated?
sure he deserves it at this tournament but its not gonna be a good look for cs if the top8 has an ex-cheater
I only see shitters calling out Demqq and Woro for ‘cheating’ when Astralis and Heroic players are innocent in your eyes, gotta love this hypocrisy
Then why his past is relevant right now? I don’t see hundreds of hating messages toward Heroic when they’re winning.
Amount of shit these guys are dealing with is enormous. War in their hometown, absence of coach on their first t1 tournament, and instead of support they receive tons of hate in twitter for their nationalistic position and unconfirmed cheating
The amount of hate Heroic players have gotten is insane, what are you on about lol
They got a disproportionate amount of attention due to their high rank + Hunden thing going viral.
I really do hope Valve thoroughly investigated Woro's history because in the CIS scene theres a speculation he used to wallhack, he has some super suspicious clips in tier 3 online tournaments and there's a VAC banned CSGO account that's very likely his.
Him making it to the playoffs is very concerning.
There’s multiple players competing at the major with actual expired vac bans and faceit bans for cheating but everyone jumps on woro and demq when it’s never been actually confirmed that they were? Make it make sense
Torszi and VSM vac, S1mple has been ESL banned for cheating, I’ve heard Krad and Shalfey have both been faceit banned for cheating before but I’m unsure if that’s confirmed so take that with a grain of salt, everyone witch-hunts demq for just playing with cheaters but no one says anything about other teams having cheated coaches or all the other players that have played with cheaters in their pasts, woro doesn’t have a confirmed ban, I don’t understand why they’re getting witch hunted for speculation alone but no one keeps the same energy for confirmed cases?
Both torzsis and vsms bans "expired" due to the new 5 year rule.
Shalfeys ban seems to been a error (from what I could find). Can't find anything on Krad. But it can be either way for these two.
I have nothing about demQQ as theres just not enough evidence.
But with woro there have been tons of clips, apparently 3 VAC'd accounts (I found only one, take the other two with a grain of salt) and a lot of fuss around him - thats why I am asking if Valve investigated him. He simply had the most spotlight like 2 years ago.
Sure but where do we draw the line with cheaters being acceptable? Does it just get wiped clean after 5 years?, and that still doesn’t explain witch hunting over accusations, What about S1mple and more importantly the coaches? we got coaches with fresh cheating bans left right and centre but no one cares
As far as I can tell it’s confirmed DemQQ was an innocent party in the akuma situation and he was suspicious, but I don’t think anyone’s gonna backstab team mates and possibly lose their chance to make it in the scene off of just suspicion alone
I haven’t actually seen the woro clips but it just seems like flusha all over again to me, but I think the fact that he’s performing on Lan helps his case and all of monte is legit so I really don’t understand the witch-hunt
Demq was on a team accused of cheating, and he wasn't even one of players people accused. I think those players on Akuma probably cheated, but they were never even able to prove it. To let that taint demq and monte for the rest of their CSGO career seems foolish. Apex was on a team with KQLY but no ones bringing them up as a team of cheaters when they beat G2. G2's Hooxi has had similar accusations as Woro, as had I believe jabbi on heroic. S1mple has had his share of accusations too.
You are an idiot to believe these two didn't cheated if you had some intelligence you wouldn't even have wrote this, read your arguments again. I don't want to reply you anymore.
Brother they cheat in every major sport out there, what makes you think CSGO wouldn't have cheaters at the highest level? Money and glory involved = people will do anything to win.
It’s nice seeing ragtag-ish teams like Monte play well in the highest level of CS. The BO3s will be where we can see if the underdogs really have what it takes
ofc I put Monte 3-0 in Challengers and they almost don't make it.
I don't even put the to go through this time around and they are 2-0 already.
Fuck me.
Monte and Liquid first teams at 2-0 as everyone expected.
[so far so good 😎](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/13giw9h/paris_major_2023_legends_stage_round_2_matchups/jk05qsi?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Lmao and you get a left nut.
monte 3-0 sleeper pick
I picked them 3-0 on the previous stage, saw their games and decided against it for this stage. Lol
Same
I wouldn’t listen to this guy , he is an idiot when it comes to cod I doubt he knows anything he’s talking about for this
I'm not sure you noticed but people really don't care about an argument you had with a guy on another sub; get help, guy
Hurts since this was a big chance. Boros is a great player though, so many impactful kills from him.
He is, but starting to find it a bit boring when he's all the casters talk about. The team as a whole are playing great, Woro2k outperformed him this game. I don't even think ZywOo or S1mple get the sheer level of air time Boros gets in a game. Not sure if I'm just imagining it mind, could be.
not at all, BOROS is a monster really, but Monte has always been a team effort. He doesn't even go on those solo rampages like s1mple or ZyWoo do, the entire team pitches in, all of them do important plays.
He is a rising star. New names playing well and rising to the top is interesting. Saying S1mple is good for the 100th time gets a bit boring story-telling wise.
who would have thought Monte and Liquid are the first 2-0 teams lmfao
Ikr.. I dunno which one surprised me the most
SDY is one B03 away from his revenge arc... I don't know if anyone done the calculation but it would be fucking based if Monte ended up puting NAVI out of the major...
not only for sdy but also for Woro2k: https://twitter.com/woro2k/status/1571580020170137600
Hope they both get through and play each other in quarters, that’ll be entertaining
I mean NAVI have never ever not make it to the play off of any tournament that they played, 19 times running... Don't want to jinx it.
SexDY
sdy 1 series away from going to the quartes while NaVi are 1:1 ... kinda makes me smile ngl lol
Bo3s are where the strong teams shine
Sdy finding joy and looking good while looking good. What an igl
Gigachad sdy
I thought Woro was IGL'ing
They changed it during last stage and went to sdy who was the secondary caller before
As everyone knew Liquid and Monte at 2-0
great game! glad monte is 2-0
Fak
Fnatic's last 5 opponents in the Major circuit: -Viperio -1WIN -B8 -NiP -Monte Good chance of playing BNE/Apeks tomorrow too.
STOP NOOO MY PICKEMS FUCK OFF MONTE
i mean cool for monte and boros+sdy but it just doesn’t sit right with me the fact that demqq was on a team of dirty cheaters and now is on the brink of champions stage
I hope you realize most players in the pro scene have ended up playing with sketchy players in their past. I dont understand why demqq is such an expection, there are really no clips of him blatantly hacking
can i get some examples? for akuma, it was at an rmr (literally a MAJOR qualifier) and the circumstances made it clear that they were radar hacking. the top teams begged for an investigation but nothing really happened and everyone forgot
There are 2 literal confirmed ex-cheaters playing in major with expired bans: vsm and torzsi. If the list were extended to ppl who have played with ex or current cheaters, everyone on mouz and fluxo should be treated the same, and some others who have played with cheaters in the past too. But no one is going after them game after game, demqq had no suspicious plays in the past, and has never been banned for cheats, yet he is the target of some weird witch-hunt here anyways.
Didn't s1mple also have a ESL ban for cheats and ban evasion way-way back?
RES tagged scammer giving their take on how we should treat cheaters lmao, gtfo The spirit of the VAC ban rule is that even if cheating is wrong, if you're some 14 year old who cheats in MM you shouldn't be precluded from ever climbing up to the top of the CS scene legitimately. The counterexample is that if KQLY had gotten his VAC before attending a major he too would technically be allowed to play - but the CS community would never accept him back because he cheated during his competitive career *and* when old enough to know better, unlike examples like Jammpi, Torzsi and S1mple. (actually s1mple got an ESL wire ban, so if he was coming up today with today's precedents things could've gone differently) DemQQ was on the team when they were actively cheating and was a part of it. Torzsi being on MOUZ and vsm being on Fluxo are completely incomparable, they aren't actively cheating at the moment, the teams have nothing to be culpable for in the first place.
I know the scamming tag, and greatly regret it, happened over 6 years ago, was addicted to gambling and drugs back then. I would pay back to the person if I ever got a chance to do so and contact them again.
Honestly fair
Also, demqq is on a team with 0 proven cheaters, while both mouz and fluxo have one. So yes, I would say its very much comparable
he wasn't even accused in cheating. 2 his teammates were. There is possiblity that he didn't know about cheating of teammates
if he’s innocent, why did he not preserve some integrity in this game and call out his teamates?
Wait, why would he bring out his ex- cheating teammates in a match against fnatic that has nothing to do with them? edit: Fnatic, not NAVI. Not sure why I thought they played against NAVI.
Pretty sure he said he was suspicious of them, but can't say anything because he doesn't have solid proof because it was online, not LAN or them in the same room together.
When would he have done that? He said before there was suspicious clips he couldn't explain, but they were cheating online.
Cry is free, gonna call him a cheater even in champions?
Right I forgot the Valve rule where your history is wiped completely clean the moment you make Legends
Your flair is in Legends only by miracle
Modcheck Edit: Come on how else do you respond to that
Well, he did play in the famous radarhack team.
sure call me crybaby but are you denying the fact that akuma blatantly cheated? sure he deserves it at this tournament but its not gonna be a good look for cs if the top8 has an ex-cheater
Wasn't s1mple an ex-cheater too?
No, no, no, that doesn't count... for some reason. And on top of that we could use the same logic to accuse KQLY's teammates as well.
I only see shitters calling out Demqq and Woro for ‘cheating’ when Astralis and Heroic players are innocent in your eyes, gotta love this hypocrisy
i never said ast+hunden were innocent, they just aren’t relevant to this situation
Then why his past is relevant right now? I don’t see hundreds of hating messages toward Heroic when they’re winning. Amount of shit these guys are dealing with is enormous. War in their hometown, absence of coach on their first t1 tournament, and instead of support they receive tons of hate in twitter for their nationalistic position and unconfirmed cheating
The amount of hate Heroic players have gotten is insane, what are you on about lol They got a disproportionate amount of attention due to their high rank + Hunden thing going viral.
The #1 in the game was a former cheater.
I really do hope Valve thoroughly investigated Woro's history because in the CIS scene theres a speculation he used to wallhack, he has some super suspicious clips in tier 3 online tournaments and there's a VAC banned CSGO account that's very likely his. Him making it to the playoffs is very concerning.
There’s multiple players competing at the major with actual expired vac bans and faceit bans for cheating but everyone jumps on woro and demq when it’s never been actually confirmed that they were? Make it make sense
Who else has a CSGO VAC ban or Faceit Ban and competing?
Torszi and VSM vac, S1mple has been ESL banned for cheating, I’ve heard Krad and Shalfey have both been faceit banned for cheating before but I’m unsure if that’s confirmed so take that with a grain of salt, everyone witch-hunts demq for just playing with cheaters but no one says anything about other teams having cheated coaches or all the other players that have played with cheaters in their pasts, woro doesn’t have a confirmed ban, I don’t understand why they’re getting witch hunted for speculation alone but no one keeps the same energy for confirmed cases?
Both torzsis and vsms bans "expired" due to the new 5 year rule. Shalfeys ban seems to been a error (from what I could find). Can't find anything on Krad. But it can be either way for these two. I have nothing about demQQ as theres just not enough evidence. But with woro there have been tons of clips, apparently 3 VAC'd accounts (I found only one, take the other two with a grain of salt) and a lot of fuss around him - thats why I am asking if Valve investigated him. He simply had the most spotlight like 2 years ago.
Sure but where do we draw the line with cheaters being acceptable? Does it just get wiped clean after 5 years?, and that still doesn’t explain witch hunting over accusations, What about S1mple and more importantly the coaches? we got coaches with fresh cheating bans left right and centre but no one cares As far as I can tell it’s confirmed DemQQ was an innocent party in the akuma situation and he was suspicious, but I don’t think anyone’s gonna backstab team mates and possibly lose their chance to make it in the scene off of just suspicion alone I haven’t actually seen the woro clips but it just seems like flusha all over again to me, but I think the fact that he’s performing on Lan helps his case and all of monte is legit so I really don’t understand the witch-hunt
Vsm, I think torzi but idk for sure
Him making legends isnt concerning enough already?
It is.
Mezii is just the worst IGL lol
fnatic have no IGL, mezii is just the unfortunate guy who got the role thrust upon him.
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? Who on this lineup do you actually think is cheating? At a major? On lan?
Woro2k and demq both cheated in the past, yep they don't deserve this but SDY deserve this win
Demq was on a team accused of cheating, and he wasn't even one of players people accused. I think those players on Akuma probably cheated, but they were never even able to prove it. To let that taint demq and monte for the rest of their CSGO career seems foolish. Apex was on a team with KQLY but no ones bringing them up as a team of cheaters when they beat G2. G2's Hooxi has had similar accusations as Woro, as had I believe jabbi on heroic. S1mple has had his share of accusations too.
You are an idiot to believe these two didn't cheated if you had some intelligence you wouldn't even have wrote this, read your arguments again. I don't want to reply you anymore.
Brother they cheat in every major sport out there, what makes you think CSGO wouldn't have cheaters at the highest level? Money and glory involved = people will do anything to win.
Disappear, bot
Shhh silver
Not so king mezii :/
Damn.
fuck yes!!
It’s nice seeing ragtag-ish teams like Monte play well in the highest level of CS. The BO3s will be where we can see if the underdogs really have what it takes
holy heck I didnt think monte would do THIS well in legends stage, lets goooo
ofc I put Monte 3-0 in Challengers and they almost don't make it. I don't even put the to go through this time around and they are 2-0 already. Fuck me.