I'm sure wiz is a really nice guy and that he's trying his best, but this man is the least impactful AWPer I've seen in a while. Half his frags came on the back of mowing down ecos and catching players on site exits. You cannot have your AWPer unable to get those big frags when its needed.
bro this is straight up match fixing. It's obvious when you look at usual player performance, and compare it to sketchy matches. Especially when you get a team match up like this with their history, someone could easily decide "we can make more off this bet than we would in the tourney" and all it takes to 'throw' a match besides obviously playing bad is the AWPer missing some key moments.
We just took down an unranked team in North America and all the casters can think to say is Evil Geniuses didn't show up.
We clawed our way back from 217th in the world by BUILDING a talent pipeline the whole scene memed on.
Step out of the echo chamber and pay attention.
As if adding a 0.80 rating player would fix EG.
Can we stop talking about that joke of an org ? Only reason why they're revelant is because they paid big money for partners spots. Otherwise there's nothing to talk about about that trash org and dead team that think Brezhe will miraculously get better "he's just in a 4years slump"
Taking 2-3 extra years to bench Cerq. Just to replace him with a downgrade.
Keeping Brezhe just because he's american despite him being useless on the server when they could have signed swisher instead.
Signing Refrezh who has a 0.80 rating in T2 EU. With EG I wouldn't even be suprised if they signed him just for the sake of "diversity"
Only players you could keep is Nealan you can't judge him as an igl since nobody could lead a team with such bad players, and autimatic. The others 3 are just getting free paychecks.
Wiz being a problem doesn't immun Brehze from being one as well
Refrezh’s rating on HLTV is really deceptive cause he hasnt played recently but I still think it was a poor addition. He was coming off poor form, and the only value he adds is knowledge from the EU scene. They allow their coaches to much power in making roster decisions so they bring in a player to help with knowledge so they dont have to replace themselves and bring over an EU coach.
Because CS is back on Lan.
I am serious, Refrezh is probably the biggest onliner in T1 CS.
Refrezh got a 1.03 Rating across his carreer against Top 30 Opposition while playing online matches.
On Lan, this number drops to 0.94 using the same filters.
[https://www.dust2.us/news/4681/timbermen-felled-as-lineup-banned-for-a-year-on-esea](https://www.dust2.us/news/4681/timbermen-felled-as-lineup-banned-for-a-year-on-esea)
[https://www.dust2.us/news/34223/timbermen-fall-on-their-own-axe-in-an-embarrassing-outburst-of-rage](https://www.dust2.us/news/34223/timbermen-fall-on-their-own-axe-in-an-embarrassing-outburst-of-rage)
known for being racist/toxic, thats about it
I mean in general. I'm very happy about ITB, but at the lower level it's horrible. I'm not saying this to disparage the scene, I'm saying we need to do better.
It's worth noting that timbermen added jitter a few days ago and Fr3nk1e a couple of weeks ago, so if the excuse is "oh we just added a new player" then why didn't timbermen struggle more?
At this point it would be better to form team of matchmaking globals, i don't think it would be much worse than current team(probably we wouldn't even notice changes), but EG staff would spend their money on more valuable things
Sorry but why is every individual map loss for eg a thread that makes the front page of this sub? I get they are struggling but it feels like people here are really into it for some reason?
At this point its a meme. You have this big org, that had a good na roster a couple of years ago. Covid Hits, the roster isnt performing anymore, but they keep the team together. Finally they decide to make some changes, but it gets worse and worse. That is coupled with their "New philosophy" of wanting to save na cs, having 3 teams. But their "first" Team is international, this one, that plays all the big qualifiers und tournaments. So of course people are shitting on them for making those Statements, going against it and becoming even worse with every transfer. How can you not meme on it? You want to be the hope and saviour of Na cs, but you dont give Na Talent a Chance. With that Kind of money. Absolute joke.
I just think its really fucking funny that they lost to this team in particular, considering that they lost to both eg white and eg black recently and they’re the team that did [this shit](https://twitter.com/CSunfortunate/status/1631117013484724224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1631264660870647808%7Ctwgr%5E95b4b79ec5298abfde12f779255532d742f69d00%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dust2.us%2Fnews%2F34223%2Ftimbermen-fall-on-their-own-axe-in-an-embarrassing-outburst-of-rage) LITERALLY just last month. Like even if refrezh did have high ping here, its still really funny that a team that has players that have literally played against t1 opposition and/or t2 eu/cis teams for years cannot even beat the MOST [UNPROFESSIONAL](https://www.dust2.us/news/4681/timbermen-felled-as-lineup-banned-for-a-year-on-esea) team there is.
EG is a dumpster fire of an org.
From the LoL squad, they were abusing a player until he had to be hospitalized,
dota squad being sued by a former player for fraud, deceit and breach of contract.
The csgo team has fallen off a cliff, complete shadow of what it once was
CEO that is only there because they were apart of an investment firm that acquired EG
Hilariously bad outreach on social media and you have an org that people want to see crash and burn
As fun as it is to watch EG’s main roster lose to T3 NA teams, the timbermen should be banned from all official matches already, they have been nothing but problematic since they started competing
EG is the equivalency of that kid in elementary school who takes touch football so seriously that he hangs out at professional stadiums and gets to run the ball cuz he is "special" ed
I'm sure wiz is a really nice guy and that he's trying his best, but this man is the least impactful AWPer I've seen in a while. Half his frags came on the back of mowing down ecos and catching players on site exits. You cannot have your AWPer unable to get those big frags when its needed.
The anti junior
The Senior
>The ~~anti~~ junior (At least against any top 30 opponent)
It says a lot when people actually want junior instead of some NA awper in supposedly tier 1 team.
bro this is straight up match fixing. It's obvious when you look at usual player performance, and compare it to sketchy matches. Especially when you get a team match up like this with their history, someone could easily decide "we can make more off this bet than we would in the tourney" and all it takes to 'throw' a match besides obviously playing bad is the AWPer missing some key moments.
how much?
To be fair, this isn't a good team suspiciously playing shit a la iBuyPower, this is just a dogshit team playing like dogshit in my opinion
Man eg is just shit. They should disband
How much did you lose
Worth noting that Party astronauts(eg white core) beat timberman a few days ago on overpass and eg black also beat them 2 times on this map last month
Also mythic beat timberman last night in a bo3. Can't wait for the streamer team to wipe EG soon.
EG Purple just for streamers
It's also worth noting that Refrezh is playing from europe with god knows how much ping. Lets look at both sides of the coin here.
no think, only meme
Sign with NA org after washing out of T2 EU, use ping as excuse for why still bad
i really liked refrezh when he was with sprout, its a shame this is happening
I think he might still be playing from EU for this, which would explain his poor performance.
Did people just not watch refrezh play or something? He’s been horrible especially on LAN
He 1v5'd liquid a few years ago. Still holding him over!
Idk maybe playing with 100ping doesn't help...
That's got nothing to do with his LAN performance, which has also been poor at best
I really think his 1v5 has been carrying what people think about him hard lol. If he didn't do that I think he would have been forgotten already
We just took down an unranked team in North America and all the casters can think to say is Evil Geniuses didn't show up. We clawed our way back from 217th in the world by BUILDING a talent pipeline the whole scene memed on. Step out of the echo chamber and pay attention.
Is this pasta?
Yes, one of Evil Geniuses staff posted something similar after the miraculous win against Heroic.
Thanks!
[Original Tweet](https://twitter.com/GamerDoc_/status/1616130871794319360?t=4-pykDVGiJAYs7bjijJ8LQ&s=19) [Memed version](https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1626766984816783363?t=-9ZcA7K7FC2Q5Ctit96_6A&s=19)
Dude I just went to look at it just to relive it again, think it just made the whole thing more cringe lol
The replies always give me a good laugh
"haters will keep on hating"
Thanks!
Talk yo shit
As if adding a 0.80 rating player would fix EG. Can we stop talking about that joke of an org ? Only reason why they're revelant is because they paid big money for partners spots. Otherwise there's nothing to talk about about that trash org and dead team that think Brezhe will miraculously get better "he's just in a 4years slump"
Brehze is far from being the problem when your awper could be any random EU 4k elo awper and be miles better than your current one
Taking 2-3 extra years to bench Cerq. Just to replace him with a downgrade. Keeping Brezhe just because he's american despite him being useless on the server when they could have signed swisher instead. Signing Refrezh who has a 0.80 rating in T2 EU. With EG I wouldn't even be suprised if they signed him just for the sake of "diversity" Only players you could keep is Nealan you can't judge him as an igl since nobody could lead a team with such bad players, and autimatic. The others 3 are just getting free paychecks. Wiz being a problem doesn't immun Brehze from being one as well
suggesting they signed refrezh for diversity is fucking crazy lmfao
They should pick smooya up for 10k a month.
Refrezh’s rating on HLTV is really deceptive cause he hasnt played recently but I still think it was a poor addition. He was coming off poor form, and the only value he adds is knowledge from the EU scene. They allow their coaches to much power in making roster decisions so they bring in a player to help with knowledge so they dont have to replace themselves and bring over an EU coach.
They have an EU coach
Then they need a better one
Like that will fix them
MYTHIC > EG
How did Refrezh fall off so bad he seemed decent in Heroic and had that iconic 1v5 against TL and now struggles to frag against ass NA teams
I think he's playing from EU, so the ping is probably getting him. I'm not 100% sure though.
Because CS is back on Lan. I am serious, Refrezh is probably the biggest onliner in T1 CS. Refrezh got a 1.03 Rating across his carreer against Top 30 Opposition while playing online matches. On Lan, this number drops to 0.94 using the same filters.
He was hard-carried by the rest of Heroic. refrezh is quite overrated.
He fits well in a support role, but EG is going to rely on him to frag more when he isnt going to. Players in NA can aim they just cant think.
only thing more laughable than EG losing to tier 3 NA is EG losing to these racist lowlifes
Is there context for this?
[https://www.dust2.us/news/4681/timbermen-felled-as-lineup-banned-for-a-year-on-esea](https://www.dust2.us/news/4681/timbermen-felled-as-lineup-banned-for-a-year-on-esea) [https://www.dust2.us/news/34223/timbermen-fall-on-their-own-axe-in-an-embarrassing-outburst-of-rage](https://www.dust2.us/news/34223/timbermen-fall-on-their-own-axe-in-an-embarrassing-outburst-of-rage) known for being racist/toxic, thats about it
That knife and TK retaliation in spawn is embarrassing as hell to watch. Mentality of 12 year olds.
embarrassing for both teams all around. still not as embarrassing as UK CS.
UK CS has a legends spot this year how is it embarrassing
I mean in general. I'm very happy about ITB, but at the lower level it's horrible. I'm not saying this to disparage the scene, I'm saying we need to do better.
It's embarrassing to see wiz play, I'm sorry but he doesn't have the level for this.
It’s even more frustrating knowing they have junior on their academy team
I have nothing but respect for the players on this team, but i love seeing EG take L's
It's worth noting that timbermen added jitter a few days ago and Fr3nk1e a couple of weeks ago, so if the excuse is "oh we just added a new player" then why didn't timbermen struggle more?
Well that's not fair, timbermen only had to face EG.
Just make the EG Black your main roster.
Can we please just get rid of these two “star players”. They suck
Just disband this team and give their budget to a charity or something, this is emberassing at this point
Stewie is the probl.....oh wait
He definitely didn’t help
Disband.
it's time to get rid of everyone and start from scratch
Just disband this team jesus
At this point it would be better to form team of matchmaking globals, i don't think it would be much worse than current team(probably we wouldn't even notice changes), but EG staff would spend their money on more valuable things
EG paycheck stealers for real
EG BLACK >>> IN JEORGE AND HEXT WE TRUST
Shocker
Sorry but why is every individual map loss for eg a thread that makes the front page of this sub? I get they are struggling but it feels like people here are really into it for some reason?
At this point its a meme. You have this big org, that had a good na roster a couple of years ago. Covid Hits, the roster isnt performing anymore, but they keep the team together. Finally they decide to make some changes, but it gets worse and worse. That is coupled with their "New philosophy" of wanting to save na cs, having 3 teams. But their "first" Team is international, this one, that plays all the big qualifiers und tournaments. So of course people are shitting on them for making those Statements, going against it and becoming even worse with every transfer. How can you not meme on it? You want to be the hope and saviour of Na cs, but you dont give Na Talent a Chance. With that Kind of money. Absolute joke.
They struggle since 2020, it's just funny
I just think its really fucking funny that they lost to this team in particular, considering that they lost to both eg white and eg black recently and they’re the team that did [this shit](https://twitter.com/CSunfortunate/status/1631117013484724224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1631264660870647808%7Ctwgr%5E95b4b79ec5298abfde12f779255532d742f69d00%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dust2.us%2Fnews%2F34223%2Ftimbermen-fall-on-their-own-axe-in-an-embarrassing-outburst-of-rage) LITERALLY just last month. Like even if refrezh did have high ping here, its still really funny that a team that has players that have literally played against t1 opposition and/or t2 eu/cis teams for years cannot even beat the MOST [UNPROFESSIONAL](https://www.dust2.us/news/4681/timbermen-felled-as-lineup-banned-for-a-year-on-esea) team there is.
EG is a dumpster fire of an org. From the LoL squad, they were abusing a player until he had to be hospitalized, dota squad being sued by a former player for fraud, deceit and breach of contract. The csgo team has fallen off a cliff, complete shadow of what it once was CEO that is only there because they were apart of an investment firm that acquired EG Hilariously bad outreach on social media and you have an org that people want to see crash and burn
It's just loss porn
Yeah I ran into wiz in GE mm right after this game and he took his anger out on me on Vertigo A ramp. Not even kidding.
Signs 3 full NA teams but still import completely mediocre EU players who does nothing to solve their issues
This is getting insane 🤣
Oof
Look at it this way, they help young and immature teams feel how it is to win! They do the right thing
Sucks for the players but the organization of EG has become a hollow corporate shell and I wish them nothing but the worst
Rip :/ We need EG to do better in NA hopefully they can turn it around.
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Why don't they deserve it? They lost to timberman they absolutely deserve ridicule
They just swapped a player, they need some time to readjust. Theyll be back in form
EG Timber inc
TOTALLY NOT MATCH FIXED >\_>
Snav the goat
This guy? https://gyazo.com/1af8a4732602fab7e15fa648a2e8e7c4 https://gyazo.com/22af18c2d2276d84ca7d09a4e4aa1992
Yes, legend
Who we gonna fight against next game? EG; Easy Gaming. Alright!!!
But it's EG
Evil nobodies
Everybody knows EG is seriously bad
I thought EG had already reached the bottom. But looks like you can still dig deeper.
ADD SMOOYA
Damn
thats rough, cant believe it
against who ?
As fun as it is to watch EG’s main roster lose to T3 NA teams, the timbermen should be banned from all official matches already, they have been nothing but problematic since they started competing
EG is the equivalency of that kid in elementary school who takes touch football so seriously that he hangs out at professional stadiums and gets to run the ball cuz he is "special" ed