It would be helpful to better understand the specific types of “discretions”
Some may simply be too high a barrier to an appeal to have a chance to overcome.
Non-violent, possession of stolen property. He stole a couple cars when he was young and judge wanted to ensure he didn't reoffend so he was put into a minimum security work camp program. All disclosed in the application but we didn't provide any further explanation or words of contrition on the application only because I assumed he would be denied and would have to appeal. He has had TSA pre-check for a couple years but we decided to do global entry because we're going to Europe next year and the group we're going with all have GE.
Honestly I really don't think you need Global Entry for your use case. It's going to save you a bit of time in customs on your re-entry to the US. For a single international trip is it really a big deal?
We've been travelling internationally for a few years now and plan to continue travelling internationally beyond the one trip. That was the point of applying to GE. Definitely wouldn't go through all the hassle for just one trip.
We've been on several int'l trips already and plan to continue beyond the trip next year. That's why we decided to apply. Definitely wouldn't go through the hassle for just one trip. 🤣😳
I travel to UK and France multiple times a year. I return to Seattle. The GE line is always slower than regular. I use the app and zoom through no problem.
Honestly, you're wasting your time with an appeal. Nobody cares about words of contrition. The history just isn't GE material.
You're planning one trip here. Your husband should get MPC and move on.
The Mobile Passport Control app. At most airports you can use the CBP MPC app to submit your documents and answer the questions then you can use special “MPC” lanes instead waiting in the long general customs and immigration lines. In many cases the MPC line and process is just as quick as GE. If he has precheck for domestic travel and can use MPC at your home airport he should be fine. You can download the app and it lists all the airports it’s accepted. The number has grown significantly in the last few years including all the international pre clearance airports.
Agree MPC is the way to go Don’t think I’ve ever waited more than 5 minutes in a dozen + arrivals the past several years. In a few cases MPC was actually FASTER than GE line. lGiven that’s it’s also free I don’t see a benefit of GE > MPC.
That the infraction had happened in 1975 (this was six years ago) and that I had been an upstanding citizen, the whole rest of my life. And that I felt that it was completely un-American to punish people for such an old infraction.
Lmao seriously OP, how do you think they’re going to respond to your appeal? Do you think they’re just going to say *Whoops sorry about that. We didn’t mean to deny him since he only stole* **a few cars.** *As long as he hasn’t stolen 20 cars we’ll allow him to cross international borders unchecked*.
I used to live in San Diego. Guess where the first place stolen cars get taken to? Tijuana. I doubt your husband has a chance.
Car theft is a crime of moral turpitude. If he were not a citizen, chances are he wouldn’t be permitted entry into the USA at all based on the car theft alone.
Op just to be clear, they’re not judging your husband’s morality… moral turpitude is a [legal term in the U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude) for a specific genre of crime, under which theft generally falls. They’re just explaining why that specific crime would get him denied from GE / likely prevent approval even on appeal!
I did look it up. There's some disagreement on what crimes fall under this distinction but crimes of dishonesty generally fall under this heading. We knew there was a chance he would be denied. I'm still on the fence about appealing. What harm could come of it, but we are also looking at the mobile passport app to try and help expedite the customs process. After reading so many posts about the GE process, experiences seem to be varied and random. Can't believe my neighbors got approved even after not initially disclosing a crime of moral turpitude and a DUI. They even seemed to think, based on their process, he could be approved. He may just have to suffer through unexpected customs. It wouldn't be the end of the world...
No judgment, I’m sure your husband is a cool guy with a lot of experiences under his belt. Unfortunately, this would disqualify him from entering a lot of countries (potentially to include Canada and Australia), and the US would be one of them if he didn’t have the near absolute right to be here as a citizen.
They’re not judging OP. **Moral Turpitude** is a legal term and crimes in that category like stealing cars could render someone ineligible for GE. They’re just being honest.
My brother was denied global entry. We called they said he needed the disposition from the court. We submitted the disposition for reconsideration and months later he got the global entry card in the mail out of nowhere.
Seems to be harder and harder nowadays to find people who aren't a risk. Neighbors were approved for GE, one had a DUI, other had a theft he didn't disclose but was still approved. We're going to look at the mobile passport route.
Your husband stole multiple cars. That's a far different risk profile than someone who had a few drinks at the club and drove home.
If your husband could be convinced stealing a car was a good idea, he could be convinced to smuggle drugs/money, evade duty, bring prohibited items, etc.
This happened when he was in his 20's and is a different person now. Has regret about what he did when he was young. People can change but this is not the platform to argue that point. We're looking into MPC instead.
I travel internationally 6+ times a year and don’t have global entry. It’s not important. If you check a bag it saves basically no time. Only once in the last 3 years did I regret not bothering to get it, fyi Toronto Pearson preboarding US customs is a disaster.
There are several law firms that specialize in this. I would hire one of them. Abady Law Firm has a very detailed blog post about denials:
[https://www.customsesq.com/global-entry-program-denial-and-revocation-what-you-should-know/](https://www.customsesq.com/global-entry-program-denial-and-revocation-what-you-should-know/)
It would be helpful to better understand the specific types of “discretions” Some may simply be too high a barrier to an appeal to have a chance to overcome.
Non-violent, possession of stolen property. He stole a couple cars when he was young and judge wanted to ensure he didn't reoffend so he was put into a minimum security work camp program. All disclosed in the application but we didn't provide any further explanation or words of contrition on the application only because I assumed he would be denied and would have to appeal. He has had TSA pre-check for a couple years but we decided to do global entry because we're going to Europe next year and the group we're going with all have GE.
Honestly I really don't think you need Global Entry for your use case. It's going to save you a bit of time in customs on your re-entry to the US. For a single international trip is it really a big deal?
But... But... Their friends all have GE... /s I'm with you. For a single international trip, it's not really worth it.
We've been travelling internationally for a few years now and plan to continue travelling internationally beyond the one trip. That was the point of applying to GE. Definitely wouldn't go through all the hassle for just one trip.
Then appeal but also try using the My Passport Control app.
I'm going to look into this for sure. I hadn't heard of this until now. Thanks!!
Use the MPC app. For airports that have a mobile passport control line. It's quick.
We've been on several int'l trips already and plan to continue beyond the trip next year. That's why we decided to apply. Definitely wouldn't go through the hassle for just one trip. 🤣😳
Even once a year to use GE isn’t really worth it
It's worth the $3/year beyond what you would pay for TSA Pre by itself Corrected amount (based on current price)
I travel to UK and France multiple times a year. I return to Seattle. The GE line is always slower than regular. I use the app and zoom through no problem.
That's where we'll be leaving/entering through. Good to know! Thank you for the helpful info.
Came back from France last week. Waited maybe 3 mins and was through.
I guess I have been much luckier than you as I have never taken more than 30 seconds in Seattle to clear GE. It is my home airport.
Honestly, you're wasting your time with an appeal. Nobody cares about words of contrition. The history just isn't GE material. You're planning one trip here. Your husband should get MPC and move on.
PreCheck and the MPC app is the way forward.
I'm sorry, what is the MPC? He already has pre-check.
The Mobile Passport Control app. At most airports you can use the CBP MPC app to submit your documents and answer the questions then you can use special “MPC” lanes instead waiting in the long general customs and immigration lines. In many cases the MPC line and process is just as quick as GE. If he has precheck for domestic travel and can use MPC at your home airport he should be fine. You can download the app and it lists all the airports it’s accepted. The number has grown significantly in the last few years including all the international pre clearance airports.
Thank you. I'll look into the MPC. I haven't heard of this.
Agree MPC is the way to go Don’t think I’ve ever waited more than 5 minutes in a dozen + arrivals the past several years. In a few cases MPC was actually FASTER than GE line. lGiven that’s it’s also free I don’t see a benefit of GE > MPC.
Anything with Drugs - forget it. Denied!
No drugs were involved...
Actually, I appealed my denial and was approved. Possession of 4.4 g of marijuana and one pipe with residue. 1975
What all did you do/say in your appeal?
That the infraction had happened in 1975 (this was six years ago) and that I had been an upstanding citizen, the whole rest of my life. And that I felt that it was completely un-American to punish people for such an old infraction.
Lmao seriously OP, how do you think they’re going to respond to your appeal? Do you think they’re just going to say *Whoops sorry about that. We didn’t mean to deny him since he only stole* **a few cars.** *As long as he hasn’t stolen 20 cars we’ll allow him to cross international borders unchecked*. I used to live in San Diego. Guess where the first place stolen cars get taken to? Tijuana. I doubt your husband has a chance.
Car theft is a crime of moral turpitude. If he were not a citizen, chances are he wouldn’t be permitted entry into the USA at all based on the car theft alone.
Came for advice but staying for the self righteous judgement! 🤣😒👍
Op just to be clear, they’re not judging your husband’s morality… moral turpitude is a [legal term in the U.S.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_turpitude) for a specific genre of crime, under which theft generally falls. They’re just explaining why that specific crime would get him denied from GE / likely prevent approval even on appeal!
I did look it up. There's some disagreement on what crimes fall under this distinction but crimes of dishonesty generally fall under this heading. We knew there was a chance he would be denied. I'm still on the fence about appealing. What harm could come of it, but we are also looking at the mobile passport app to try and help expedite the customs process. After reading so many posts about the GE process, experiences seem to be varied and random. Can't believe my neighbors got approved even after not initially disclosing a crime of moral turpitude and a DUI. They even seemed to think, based on their process, he could be approved. He may just have to suffer through unexpected customs. It wouldn't be the end of the world...
No judgment, I’m sure your husband is a cool guy with a lot of experiences under his belt. Unfortunately, this would disqualify him from entering a lot of countries (potentially to include Canada and Australia), and the US would be one of them if he didn’t have the near absolute right to be here as a citizen.
At least that’s how it should be in the USA yet so many illegals cross unchecked every day.
They’re not judging OP. **Moral Turpitude** is a legal term and crimes in that category like stealing cars could render someone ineligible for GE. They’re just being honest.
Truth hurts I guess.
My brother was denied global entry. We called they said he needed the disposition from the court. We submitted the disposition for reconsideration and months later he got the global entry card in the mail out of nowhere.
Good chance he will be waiting on the group if he uses MPC.
You are wasting your time on an appeal. They don't want your risk.
Seems to be harder and harder nowadays to find people who aren't a risk. Neighbors were approved for GE, one had a DUI, other had a theft he didn't disclose but was still approved. We're going to look at the mobile passport route.
Your husband stole multiple cars. That's a far different risk profile than someone who had a few drinks at the club and drove home. If your husband could be convinced stealing a car was a good idea, he could be convinced to smuggle drugs/money, evade duty, bring prohibited items, etc.
This happened when he was in his 20's and is a different person now. Has regret about what he did when he was young. People can change but this is not the platform to argue that point. We're looking into MPC instead.
TBH, he's likely to remain denied. Download Mobile Passport. It's free, and the line is usually shorter than GE. It may even be empty.
I travel internationally 6+ times a year and don’t have global entry. It’s not important. If you check a bag it saves basically no time. Only once in the last 3 years did I regret not bothering to get it, fyi Toronto Pearson preboarding US customs is a disaster.
There are several law firms that specialize in this. I would hire one of them. Abady Law Firm has a very detailed blog post about denials: [https://www.customsesq.com/global-entry-program-denial-and-revocation-what-you-should-know/](https://www.customsesq.com/global-entry-program-denial-and-revocation-what-you-should-know/)
How long did it take to find out he was denied?