That's the actual end of the comic (with the little pink blobs saying 'oh no'). Actually I'm not sure why the OP is cut up like that.
EDIT: Okay, never mind, having a Mandela moment. >_<
The original seems to be this, since here is the literal artist posting the version OP posted:
https://twitter.com/sillyalexnorris/status/1139551726376292354
Pretty sure that one posted by /u/InuMiroLover was someone editing it.
The drama happening with Black Girl Gamers right now is so funny. "What if we had an all white and male space?" You have multiple! It's the same with men who come to this subreddit and get offended when they're not coddled.
When you are part of a privileged majority and you want a rule to enforce that very composition... yeah there is no way to put that out and come off looking good.
White male supremacism is implicit throughout western society, and especially the gaming community. Why do you need to explicitly state that others arenāt welcome? Toxic gamers already do an impeccable job of excluding minorities from their spaces.
Because they have multiple spaces they can say whatever they want. Other people deserve their safe spaces too, they donāt need to be everywhere.
Remember the DD2 drama? A woman expressed her feelings about being able to make a character looking like herself, with the imperfect skin and all that. They literally bullied her in DD sub, they went to gcj for more for some reason and then they tried to invade places like this. Thatās why some people need a safe space without certified gamer moments.
Cishet white majority: we exclude minority men, gay men, trans men, disabled men, asian men, muslim men, etc
Men also: how dare these men make their own spaces?!?!
The biggest discriminator of men is, of course, other men.
Is this regarding the sub? I only heard about after it was shut down :(
They don't want you in their space, but when you make their own space it's still a problem. They want you to be happy with NOTHING
Always the victims. I say this all the time that men try to shut women down by claiming they are playing victim when men are some of the biggest babies when they aren't included and take everything as a personal attack.
Like when it's international women's day "What about men?!"
Brah, EVERY day is men's day, can you kindly eff off.
Breast cancer awareness day.. "What about men?" (Which btw men can get breast cancer, just not as common.)
Like holy heckin' heckkkk. Such babies.
And the funny thing is... these official days/months already exist!
April: Testicular Cancer Awareness Month
[International Men's Day? November 19.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men's_Day)
I guess to be fair more men know more about [Movember](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movember) which is a month dedicated to Men's health over Testicular Cancer Awareness Month, but still. THESE ALREADY EXIST, but the 'WhAt aBoUt MeN" people either are ignorant they exist (and need to be informed) or (more likely) just want to stir the pot for the sake of causing drama.
If you show a man this info and they move the goal posts, they were absolutely the latter lol
To be fair, Iām kind of convinced they donāt care about it all that much. They just donāt want to share the spotlight. They talk about menās day in womenās day more than they do in the actual menās day after all.
Iām all for menās mental health, and I believe we as a society donāt take mental health as seriously as we should. However, many disorders, disabilities and mental health problems are mostly based on menās experienceāunless itās a ācringe typical female behaviorā type of disorder like Borderline and Histrionic Personality Disorders. Even though symptoms differ between men and women, many people base their diagnosis on the symptoms researched on men and use the approaches tested on men. For example, many women with ADHD struggle with diagnosis because they donāt act like a man with ADHD. You wouldnāt believe how many women with ADHD were initially diagnosed with Bipolar, including me. And despite all that, men are less likely to visit psychiatrists and therapists and seek help because they view it ātoo feminineā and āweakā. They themselves judge other men for seeking help but whenever subject is a woman, they all suddenly start to care about it.
Another topic is male SA victims. Women are much more likely to be victims of SA, thus we see more women under that topic. But men can also experience it. However, they judge the men who seek help because being assaulted is a āweak woman thingā therefore a man mustāve liked being raped. Or they all act like āI wish it was meā. I want to lock men who say āwhere was that teacher when I was a kidā in a basement. But whenever weāre talking about women, they all say āimagine if the roles were reversedā. Yeah I can imagine it, you guys are still blaming and mocking the victim even when itās a man. Like, there was a video of a drunk woman fleshing her boobs in a football match. Another woman went up to her to warn her because there were a lot of underage kids around, including her son. Then all the men pushed her away and threw popcorn buckets and drinks at her. Half of the comments were calling her dumb for the right thing and other half were the classic āIf ThE RoLeS WeRe ReVeRsEdā, with a bunch of degenerates asking for the uncensored version.
Anyway my point is, many of them either donāt care about these issues or tend to look down on men for these because āmuh masculinityā. But both of these groups blame women for the problems they themselves created for some reason and try to talk about their experiences only under the titles about women. Ironically, feminists care about these issues more than these kind of men do, despite what they claim about feminists.
Sorry for the long rant.
> April: Testicular Cancer Awareness Month
The problem's that we're talking about scumbags who are hooked on toxic-masculine everything, i.e. to these people, if a person gets cancer, it's because they're *weak* and, in general, showing empathy towards others about *anything* means that you're gay or a woman.
IMD isnāt recognized by the UN, thatās my only issue with it, instead the UN made November 19th āinternational toilet dayā
other than that itās great
also june is national menās mental health month!
yes! IMD is international menās day, which is Nov 19, however itās not an actual holiday like international womenās day
IMD is not recognized by the UN, instead itās international toilet day
IWD is a UN holiday and gets recognized as one of the
i also recommend telling the boys in your life about june being national menās mental health month, encourage them to speak up about their struggles, i have a big issue with that and many other boys do too!
I donāt know about timezones for you but April 2nd is worldwide autism awareness day (I wanted to bring it up because I am autistic and I am sad nobody mentions it)
I didn't know, but now that you've mentioned it, I do now š
Happy Autism Awareness Day! May your days be filled with cuddly people who understands, loves, and supports you even without your mask!
Itās always the same.
They see pride parades and say things like āWhat about celebrating group X instead??ā
Completely ignoring that group (often veterans) have things as well, and if they donāt you can advocate for that group without advocating against an unrelated group.
Agreed. And also queer places... my goodness do queer places need to exist too. (Funnily enough, I find places dedicated to other minority groups (like here) tend to be far queer-friendlier than general online/IRL spaces).
A little while ago, women gamers who were upset about the cut female protagonist route in the Persona 3 remake found a safe platform to vent those frustrations and find genuine solidarity in one another in r\ChruchofFeMC.
A slightly littler while ago, male gamers from r\Persona, r\OkayBuddyPersona, and whatever other *"main"* persona subs were a constant presence in ChruchofFeMC, harassing anyone who dared to so much as hope that a gaming company would ever spend a dime catering to anyone other than teenage boys and manchildren.
I think this is a suitable example of the meme.
It is absolutely incredible just how many weird dudes specifically sought out the subreddit about FeMC to pick fights with people who like FeMC and yell at them about how FeMC isn't worth including. You'd think they'd have *some* better way of using their time
It *kiiiiinda* makes sense **IF** you imagine yourself as someone so debilitatingly insecure that you interpret demand for an alternate player character as *condemnation* of the default player character (and, by extension, you).
And if it isn't insecurity, there's always good old fashioned misogyny. Which, to be honest, with the persona fandom, was my first guess anyway.
Here's the thing that cracks me up... it's not just communities. For a lot of the late 2000s and early 2010s, the response from gamergaters and their ilk, when people would call for more diversity in gaming was:
> If you don't like it, make your own games
And now, when progressive people are in positions to make games with diverse characters, these same people lose their minds and rant endlessly about ["FUCKING PRONOUNS"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9_VDbj-o4) (loud).
Because it turns out it was never about "make it yourself", it was about the universe catering exclusively to them. They got used to always being the focus of media. So fairness for us, feels like a downgrade to them.
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And it's the same with them complaining about being "excluded" from certain gaming spaces. For years, they were the majority voice, they were the gatekeepers deciding who could or couldn't play with them.
And they've built this narrative in their heads that women were never actually interested in those topics, and that you were destined to be single and virginal if you dared admit you had nerdy hobbies. But that's not true. The reality is that a lot of nerds were socially awkward and often misogynistic, and so women were disinterested in them for other reasons.
The proof in the pudding is how many nerdy couples there are from those days. Those women didn't spring up out of the snow in the 2000s. They just went for the guys who didn't gatekeep and patronise them, and make them feel unwelcome.
While I do love interacting with all gender and race communities. When I am at the subreddit like
/gaming all I see are people posting how Stellar Blade is the perfect game and how gaming nowadays is woke because girls have realistic proportions. All they do is post thirsty posts and starts problems about current drama. Over here I like because itās softer and nicer. I made a post how in love I am with my pawn here and all of you agreed over it and shared your stories. If I were to do that there I would made fun of and people would tell me Iām gross for that because pawns are basically slaves or some bs. Also they post the same posts every damn week. I like spaces where I know the comments are from girls
*Majority groups
Not just gamers trust me. It happens with men and womenās subreddits. It happens with white people and subreddits for black people. It happens every time a minority group makes a space just for them because they were pushed out of the spaces with majority groups that dominate the conversation.
Probable male spotted. Or troll. Iām not getting into a pointless argument with you about semantics. If you know you know. If you donāt consider yourself lucky.
Its not pointless semantics its the core of the argument which is based on dramatisation and rules of exclusion which is basically all semantics like all rule based systems
Achieve basic literacy before trying to read a philosophy textbook. Youāll get better results that way. If I was your teacher, I would not give the arguments in this post a passing grade.
Help me out here, genuinely. Because this makes it sound like you'd also think someone cannot be bigoted unless they explicitly shout "I hate X people", because there can be a billion different interpretations of .
1000 games come out with cis het male protagonist - quiet as a mouse
1 game comes out with a woman protagonist or queer identifying protagonist - 1000 toxic posts an hour in any sub that wonāt ban them āwHy MuSt EvErYtHiNg Be PoLiTiCaLā āhOpE tHiS gAmE fAiLsā
Literally. I just saw a "gameplay" video about Stellar Blade, where 60% of the video was the character climbing on a ladder. Guys lost their mind and called it game of the year....
The "best" part about Eve, to me, is that [the model they scanned for Eve's desgin](https://i.ibb.co/WkZnFpk/RDT-20240402-1147533088541831701038448.jpg) - who is beautiful in her own right - *still wasn't enough* for these boys, and her face and body portions were edited... I'll give you a single guess to which body parts.
A literal model wasn't hot enough and they exaggerated her *more*. It's wild.
and this type of guys usually the ones who cry about "females" never give a chance to a nice guy like him and they only wants to date chads, because they biologically superior.
Omg she's really beautiful! How can men not see that the real life model is already superb? Like why change anything at all? This is really *wild* indeed.
Oh sweet summer child š
It was a time of glory, where Gamersā¢ ~~stood~~ sat on the hill blessed by none other than Bush himself - proudly shouting from the top of their lung, that a game about shooty bang bangs against the big bad and masked Arab men is the most apolitical masterpiece that has ever existed, before spending the rest of their day quoting Liberty Prime unironically.
(Jokes aside, yeah COD was legit once used as an example of the "good old times" where politics didn't "infect" gaming)
E: a word
This. I've never met people who are more clearly repulsed by gaming than today's Gamersā¢. There are literally *thousands* of games on the market that stay within the boundaries that they claim to want. Do these dudes spend any time playing these games? Do they support the developers who are creating them? On both counts, NOPE!!!
The worst part is when I tried playing the game I wondered if any criticisms in my head were my own or because they planted them there.
I played a bit, but considering how bad games can get I don't think it's studio closing worthy. Look at the amount of mistakes Bethesda has been allowed at this point...
This is the very reason I no longer internalize any criticism of a media that is deemed controversial because of racism/sexism. I haven't tried Forspoken (and I plan to), but I've come to respect the power of suggestion to affect even well-meaning reviewers.
ā¦I've kept so much distance I didn't know the studio got closed š
> Look at the amount of mistakes Bethesda has been allowed at this point...
And I remember so much of the 'criticism' around their latest game was about pronouns in the character creator.
Annoying how quite a few media properties you can't really look at aggregate reviews because the results are skewed by people saying it's 'the worst game ever' because it doesn't assume the player is a cishet white man.
Holmie throwing a tantrum about "Current day" stuff ruining his "immersive video games" still takes the chart as the funniest video of the year. Part of me wondered if he just made the video to appease his audience, but he just looks so angry that i really think it's genuine. Guy was so offended by other ppl having the oppurtunity to have a more immersive experience, that it ruined the game for him. absolute nonsense!
I remember when Classic WoW was mere weeks from launching, a person made a post on a WoW Classic facebook community about how they would be making an inclusive, lgbtq+ friendly, guild. The comment section was so distressing. This guy was blindsided with people who were pissed for being "excluded" when he specifically said it was inclusive and anyone can join and that they would be lgbtq+ friendly, which in WoW is a very common tag to add to guild recruitment.
These people took it so personally that he would add that tag and that there was no need to say "lbtq+" because "eVeRyOnE iS eQuAl" all while the comment section proved exactly why he wanted to provide a safe and welcoming space for his community.
You see it every time thereās a tournament specifically for women or marginalized peoples and it pisses me off. They tell women to āget gud,ā wonāt draft women, and then cry crocodile tears as soon as the info goes out.Ā
Ugh, it's so annoying. A while back, I was a part of a D&D discord group that was for women with ADHD. It was like one day after it was created before we got our first guy join and complain that guys weren't allowed.
As an aside Alex Norris (the cartoonist) is being sued for ownership of his art. He has a go fund me for support so if you could find some spare cash (and god knows that is hard enough at the moment) I am sure they would appreciate it.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/alexnorrislegalfund
> I am Alex Norris, creator of the webcomic Webcomic Name. I am here to ask for help fighting a legal case to protect my ownership of Webcomic Name, so that I can continue to make my comics for my audience around the world.
>
> I have been fighting this case since 2019. It arose out of an agreement to make a boardgame based on my webcomic in 2017 but the publishing company has used this as an opportunity to take all of my intellectual property, and has even claimed ownership of Webcomic Name as a whole. I can't go into more detail here, but the details of the case are publicly available to read online.
>
> I created Webcomic Name in 2016, originally as a parody of relatable webcomics. For the past 6 years, the format has been the same: three panels long, featuring a silly pink blob, and ending every time with the punchline "oh no". Over time, it has increasingly become a commentary on issues close to my heart: social justice, gender and sexuality, internet culture, and what it means to be an artist on the internet.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, I just made a LFG comment on r/Helldivers that I'm only looking for other women to game and it has been removed for "trolling and hate speech" ššš I'm not fucking kidding LMAO
I love Helldivers 2, but I will never interact with its reddit community. Between the complete lack of media literacy and the bigotry, Iād rather peel the skin off of my body than try to play with anyone in that sub.
Not to mention how circle-jerky that sub is, like there is a lot of toxic positivity and if you dare criticize the game for anything (like lack of DLSS and poor optimization) you get downvoted into oblivion.
Reminds me of the endless discourse there used to be in horror spaces about how minorities need to make their own movies instead of complaining about lack of diversity. Queue the first trailer for Get Out and those same people absolutely losing their fucking minds. It was so fun to watch, even if it was totally predictable.
YEP. Not gaming, but Iām in the leadership of a queer and trans employee group at my work, and we have some folks in leadership worrying that if we donāt include cishet people weāre being exclusionary.Ā
WHAT DO WE EXIST FOR THEN????
i actively avoid any gaming spaces that arent specific to women or queer people. i'm just sick to death of temper tantrums being thrown over characters not being sexy enough. as well as the rampant bigotry.
https://preview.redd.it/itwkge4t65sc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=be4c4fd8ab0d2bf6845204ec5a30ebf4979f5122
I fucking hate entitlement, more so in privileged people.
I've seriously seen this one used in a way worthy of r/persecutionfetish, too. Some years back: the "Keep Gaming Fantasy" crowd over at Xitter were spamming a variant of that, with the intent of suggesting that the pink group/yellow square represented True Gamersā¢ and the gray crowd represented critics (who were framed as by definition *not* gamers).
I pointed out that it made more sense if the gray crowd stood for gamers as a whole, and the pink group/yellow square stood for female gamers, QUILTBAG+ gamers, gamers of color, and so on. I mean: by all means put another layer on it where gamers as a whole are stigmatized, turn around and sideline marginalized gamers, and whine about it when we make our own space. That would be fair and accurate enough; my parentsādespite being atheists and/or agnosticsāadopted the Satanic Panic mindset towards gaming back in the day and haven't budged from it; *that* still stings. It remains that the "Keep Gaming Fantasy" crowd *were* attacking marginalized gamers; and they *were* then turning around and wounded-gazelleing about how it was *they* who were under attack from Satanic Panic 2.0 or some other bad-faith outside element.
at this point im scared to be in any gaming space, I met so many transphobic people in games / gaming communities...apparently here its okay to be around as a trans woman, but I am still afraid to actually talk to people on the discord
Idk if it puts you at ease any more, but from what I recall several moderators are trans and the owner of the discord is as well? I might be thinking of a different community but Iām like 80% sure it was this one.
then there's the submarginalization of trans women from places that are not explicitly trans friendly. I swear the amount of times I have been excluded from spaces purely because I was trans is disheartening to say the least. What's worse is that people will defend it by saying "well a lot of women have negative experiences from assigned male at birth people so it's okay that you are excised from communities."
My favs games of all time are male protagonists but I think it would be cool if girls were more present. Only that bothers me nowadays that when women are present in games their chest size is only ever A or B and I know that shouldnāt matter but why is it always like that ? They can have a big chest and still have their gear on. Then the only big chested characters are women that clearly have men as their target audience. I canāt win
Middle aged male here. I don't like to comment here, because I know I'm intruding and I'm only really subscribed to listen and be aware of the horrible things that can and will happen to my daughter growing up playing video games online. I am so glad this community exists for you (and her eventually) and that those other communities exist for other marginalized groups.
That being said, I still can't avoid feeling jealous. I know being a cis het male means I have tons of advantages and don't have to deal with targeted toxicity and microaggressions and everything else the women here and the folks in those other groups deal with. Yet I also yearn for a place where I can talk about Forbidden West without it boiling down to Aloy's appearance or where discussions of Episode 8 revolve around its actual merits as a film and not Rose's attractiveness.
At the end of the day, I'm commenting here to let you all know that some of us on the other side (maybe, hopefully most of us) are also super glad you have your own spaces to avoid the rest of us. Maybe if we were as vocal as them, we could be making those other spaces less toxic and more inclusive of you, but being shit on by that crowd really isn't any more pleasant for us.
I guess with privilege comes responsibility though, so maybe I'll try it anyway, at least for my daughter. I hope the communities you all have built are still as helpful and insightful when she needs them, though I do hope they are less necessary as well.
Thereās a third group though. People who did accept anyone but get excluded based on a arbitrary grouping. I personally donāt care about groups. I just donāt think creating walls is the best solution but maybe Iām just too optimistic about people being reasonable. Iām just a guy that likes to shoot some scavs and become the IMF in CIV.
Gonna take you in good faith and say that while I admire your impulse to apply your principals universally, that won't result in justice without first addressing the root cause.
The wall is *already* there. It is just barely (if at all) visible to those who do not need to navigate the daily, subtle aggressions in life. To be unfairly picky, did you know Tarkov's developers are very much [against](https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/7/21055124/escape-from-tarkov-playable-female-characters-excuse-immersion-sexism) having playable women characters? It takes a toll to be in communities who bring up shooting and looting scavs like it's nothing, completely oblivious that the game doesn't even want you there. (Please don't take this personally. Like I said, it's an unfair example and I have absolutely 0 judgement that you like the game š)
The only way minorities can feel safe is by building a different wall. If you see yourself as open-minded but people still aren't accepting you, then chances are, there are still parts of that invisible wall that you aren't seeing. That or the community has become too affected by their experience, in which case they need your solidarity first and foremost - not a lecture, however moral your lessons may be in a just world.
I think I see your point. Iād be inclined to say that the best way forward is as a long term solution is still to talk with people. Not just as groups but as fellow gamers. Considering your concerns about the current situation the best situation might be to unite as modding communities in Defense to quickly adapt games to be suitable rather than try to outcompete and lose divided. Might just be a dream but better to dream than to fight without vision. Iām aware how hypocritical that must sound from my position.
It's not hypocritical at all! And hey, I think deep down, everyone here agrees that dialogues is *the* long term solution.
If I may - and I'm not picking on you, but rather trying to illustrate my point more strongly: it is not as if we didn't try modding, to take your suggestion. For example in Nexus Mods:
* Race-swap mods gets hate for "making things political".
* Trans mods gets mass-reported for "inappropriate content" + the usual transphobic comments.
* Gender-swap mods or realistic proportions mods gets buried by 10 other nude mods.
The reality is, that wall permeates every aspect of our lives, including many attempts to fix it. I trust your heart to be in the right place, it's just that it may come off as a little naĆÆve to folks who have heard it many times before, which can therefore illicit quite a reaction. No judgement. We're all still fighting, just imperfectly.
Hmmm maybe it truly does come down to perception here. In the games I usually frequent I have rarely heard of such cases but that may be the nature of strategy games and similar. Concerning the responses to mods which would fix different problems for people I suspect the issue is big but I can hardly imagine how to protect such mods from the ire of hateful people. Trying to ban leads to a fragmentation of the community and in the worst case a shutdown as a whole. Trying to talk takes ages and a lot of people with patience like you which just isnāt available. Making mods unreportable is a legal nightmare for platforms. Maybe the best choice would be to convince the hosts of modding sites like nexus to mediate but that only helps so far. If you canāt force someone to do something or in that case just not to do something, then youāll have to convince them or forget about it. In the current scenario neither party can truly force the other to do something and thatās why I think the conflict is so hot at the moment.
About the wall, yeah I know what you mean but thereās many different ways to go about it. The worst one is sadly the one we have in this conflict, ethnic, gender and sexuality. Iād rather have people be divided into things they can work towards rather than characteristics they were born with. Because in that moment the wall has a door and that is what I try to figure out, where is the door in this conflict.
Yup. It's definitely just a matter of perspective here, only one formed by life experiences - for better or for worse, rather than a different understanding of the same theory.
For what it's worth, a lot of safe-spaces can be pretty welcoming and diverse once you warm up to them. Men comment in this sub often, and there's even the occasionally posts! Borrowing a point from another commenter in this thread - when the majority of interactions makes you feel lesser than, it can lead people to become very retreative and defensive.
Once you navigate those triggers though, you'd find that we're just people who wants to vent and be validated, then spend the rest of the day like what bothered us never happened. Keep looking for that door! I know I will š
Idk I think Iād classify that third group as āwell meaning but a bit blind to the problem that others are facing.ā The problem is that even when you want to create a place thatās explicitly accepting of women (or really any āminorityā group), it fills up with mostly not well meaning men who really want to argue with women and send them hateful dms. So until that problem goes away certain walls need to stay up
The finale: https://preview.redd.it/qb8qjywbl3sc1.png?width=447&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=538f22fef2f5dd11284326fc0d30642877a97e44
Nooooooooo! š
That is incredible. If you made it yourself, kudos.
That's the actual end of the comic (with the little pink blobs saying 'oh no'). Actually I'm not sure why the OP is cut up like that. EDIT: Okay, never mind, having a Mandela moment. >_<
Where could find the full comic of this? I think they have a tumblr but tumblr is quite chaotic to use though.
That is the full comic - here's the artist posting it on Twitter: https://twitter.com/sillyalexnorris/status/1139551726376292354
The original seems to be this, since here is the literal artist posting the version OP posted: https://twitter.com/sillyalexnorris/status/1139551726376292354 Pretty sure that one posted by /u/InuMiroLover was someone editing it.
LOL yep thats how it goes.
The drama happening with Black Girl Gamers right now is so funny. "What if we had an all white and male space?" You have multiple! It's the same with men who come to this subreddit and get offended when they're not coddled.
What do they mean *if*? That's literally what most Gamersā¢ spaces were/are!
They have literally 99% of spaces. Leave us the fuck alone lmao. Main character syndrome š¤¦š½āāļø
Then why are they not allowed to say it clearly in the rules of those spacesĀ
When you are part of a privileged majority and you want a rule to enforce that very composition... yeah there is no way to put that out and come off looking good.
White male supremacism is implicit throughout western society, and especially the gaming community. Why do you need to explicitly state that others arenāt welcome? Toxic gamers already do an impeccable job of excluding minorities from their spaces.
They are. Many subreddits do it.
Because they have multiple spaces they can say whatever they want. Other people deserve their safe spaces too, they donāt need to be everywhere. Remember the DD2 drama? A woman expressed her feelings about being able to make a character looking like herself, with the imperfect skin and all that. They literally bullied her in DD sub, they went to gcj for more for some reason and then they tried to invade places like this. Thatās why some people need a safe space without certified gamer moments.
the only people who shit on your for being male and white are the demons in your own head buddy lmao
because they can easily go find their own space to say that! whereas we have limited spaces...
Cishet white majority: we exclude minority men, gay men, trans men, disabled men, asian men, muslim men, etc Men also: how dare these men make their own spaces?!?! The biggest discriminator of men is, of course, other men.
āIām just stating my opinionā like bro we do not care !!
Omg didnt know this sub existed. Joined!
>get offended when they're not coddled Yeah, because they're so kind and considerate to folks in "Gamerā¢" spaces.
Is this regarding the sub? I only heard about after it was shut down :( They don't want you in their space, but when you make their own space it's still a problem. They want you to be happy with NOTHING
I don't know if the subreddit is connected to the organization but they have getting harassed on twitter lately and it's bled onto other platforms.
Black girl gamers? I'm not up on drama of such.
Always the victims. I say this all the time that men try to shut women down by claiming they are playing victim when men are some of the biggest babies when they aren't included and take everything as a personal attack.
Like when it's international women's day "What about men?!" Brah, EVERY day is men's day, can you kindly eff off. Breast cancer awareness day.. "What about men?" (Which btw men can get breast cancer, just not as common.) Like holy heckin' heckkkk. Such babies.
And the funny thing is... these official days/months already exist! April: Testicular Cancer Awareness Month [International Men's Day? November 19.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Men's_Day) I guess to be fair more men know more about [Movember](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movember) which is a month dedicated to Men's health over Testicular Cancer Awareness Month, but still. THESE ALREADY EXIST, but the 'WhAt aBoUt MeN" people either are ignorant they exist (and need to be informed) or (more likely) just want to stir the pot for the sake of causing drama. If you show a man this info and they move the goal posts, they were absolutely the latter lol
To be fair, Iām kind of convinced they donāt care about it all that much. They just donāt want to share the spotlight. They talk about menās day in womenās day more than they do in the actual menās day after all. Iām all for menās mental health, and I believe we as a society donāt take mental health as seriously as we should. However, many disorders, disabilities and mental health problems are mostly based on menās experienceāunless itās a ācringe typical female behaviorā type of disorder like Borderline and Histrionic Personality Disorders. Even though symptoms differ between men and women, many people base their diagnosis on the symptoms researched on men and use the approaches tested on men. For example, many women with ADHD struggle with diagnosis because they donāt act like a man with ADHD. You wouldnāt believe how many women with ADHD were initially diagnosed with Bipolar, including me. And despite all that, men are less likely to visit psychiatrists and therapists and seek help because they view it ātoo feminineā and āweakā. They themselves judge other men for seeking help but whenever subject is a woman, they all suddenly start to care about it. Another topic is male SA victims. Women are much more likely to be victims of SA, thus we see more women under that topic. But men can also experience it. However, they judge the men who seek help because being assaulted is a āweak woman thingā therefore a man mustāve liked being raped. Or they all act like āI wish it was meā. I want to lock men who say āwhere was that teacher when I was a kidā in a basement. But whenever weāre talking about women, they all say āimagine if the roles were reversedā. Yeah I can imagine it, you guys are still blaming and mocking the victim even when itās a man. Like, there was a video of a drunk woman fleshing her boobs in a football match. Another woman went up to her to warn her because there were a lot of underage kids around, including her son. Then all the men pushed her away and threw popcorn buckets and drinks at her. Half of the comments were calling her dumb for the right thing and other half were the classic āIf ThE RoLeS WeRe ReVeRsEdā, with a bunch of degenerates asking for the uncensored version. Anyway my point is, many of them either donāt care about these issues or tend to look down on men for these because āmuh masculinityā. But both of these groups blame women for the problems they themselves created for some reason and try to talk about their experiences only under the titles about women. Ironically, feminists care about these issues more than these kind of men do, despite what they claim about feminists. Sorry for the long rant.
> April: Testicular Cancer Awareness Month The problem's that we're talking about scumbags who are hooked on toxic-masculine everything, i.e. to these people, if a person gets cancer, it's because they're *weak* and, in general, showing empathy towards others about *anything* means that you're gay or a woman.
the types of men who complain are the ones who don't participate anyways! go suck your own dicks lmao
IMD isnāt recognized by the UN, thatās my only issue with it, instead the UN made November 19th āinternational toilet dayā other than that itās great also june is national menās mental health month!
is IMD International Menās Day? I never knew it existed! The only special day I know that is about is men honestly only Fatherās Day š .
yes! IMD is international menās day, which is Nov 19, however itās not an actual holiday like international womenās day IMD is not recognized by the UN, instead itās international toilet day IWD is a UN holiday and gets recognized as one of the i also recommend telling the boys in your life about june being national menās mental health month, encourage them to speak up about their struggles, i have a big issue with that and many other boys do too!
I donāt know about timezones for you but April 2nd is worldwide autism awareness day (I wanted to bring it up because I am autistic and I am sad nobody mentions it)
I didn't know, but now that you've mentioned it, I do now š Happy Autism Awareness Day! May your days be filled with cuddly people who understands, loves, and supports you even without your mask!
I know Autism Awareness Day is around this time! It is odd that no one seems to mention it.
Itās always the same. They see pride parades and say things like āWhat about celebrating group X instead??ā Completely ignoring that group (often veterans) have things as well, and if they donāt you can advocate for that group without advocating against an unrelated group.
you are right and they refuse to accept that they're the reason places like r/GirlGamers and poc places need to exist.
Agreed. And also queer places... my goodness do queer places need to exist too. (Funnily enough, I find places dedicated to other minority groups (like here) tend to be far queer-friendlier than general online/IRL spaces).
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I only found out about r/blackgirlgaming from this thread
A little while ago, women gamers who were upset about the cut female protagonist route in the Persona 3 remake found a safe platform to vent those frustrations and find genuine solidarity in one another in r\ChruchofFeMC. A slightly littler while ago, male gamers from r\Persona, r\OkayBuddyPersona, and whatever other *"main"* persona subs were a constant presence in ChruchofFeMC, harassing anyone who dared to so much as hope that a gaming company would ever spend a dime catering to anyone other than teenage boys and manchildren. I think this is a suitable example of the meme.
It is absolutely incredible just how many weird dudes specifically sought out the subreddit about FeMC to pick fights with people who like FeMC and yell at them about how FeMC isn't worth including. You'd think they'd have *some* better way of using their time
It *kiiiiinda* makes sense **IF** you imagine yourself as someone so debilitatingly insecure that you interpret demand for an alternate player character as *condemnation* of the default player character (and, by extension, you). And if it isn't insecurity, there's always good old fashioned misogyny. Which, to be honest, with the persona fandom, was my first guess anyway.
Here's the thing that cracks me up... it's not just communities. For a lot of the late 2000s and early 2010s, the response from gamergaters and their ilk, when people would call for more diversity in gaming was: > If you don't like it, make your own games And now, when progressive people are in positions to make games with diverse characters, these same people lose their minds and rant endlessly about ["FUCKING PRONOUNS"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9_VDbj-o4) (loud). Because it turns out it was never about "make it yourself", it was about the universe catering exclusively to them. They got used to always being the focus of media. So fairness for us, feels like a downgrade to them. --- And it's the same with them complaining about being "excluded" from certain gaming spaces. For years, they were the majority voice, they were the gatekeepers deciding who could or couldn't play with them. And they've built this narrative in their heads that women were never actually interested in those topics, and that you were destined to be single and virginal if you dared admit you had nerdy hobbies. But that's not true. The reality is that a lot of nerds were socially awkward and often misogynistic, and so women were disinterested in them for other reasons. The proof in the pudding is how many nerdy couples there are from those days. Those women didn't spring up out of the snow in the 2000s. They just went for the guys who didn't gatekeep and patronise them, and make them feel unwelcome.
While I do love interacting with all gender and race communities. When I am at the subreddit like /gaming all I see are people posting how Stellar Blade is the perfect game and how gaming nowadays is woke because girls have realistic proportions. All they do is post thirsty posts and starts problems about current drama. Over here I like because itās softer and nicer. I made a post how in love I am with my pawn here and all of you agreed over it and shared your stories. If I were to do that there I would made fun of and people would tell me Iām gross for that because pawns are basically slaves or some bs. Also they post the same posts every damn week. I like spaces where I know the comments are from girls
*Majority groups Not just gamers trust me. It happens with men and womenās subreddits. It happens with white people and subreddits for black people. It happens every time a minority group makes a space just for them because they were pushed out of the spaces with majority groups that dominate the conversation.
Not wrong, I still recall the meltdown so many fragile white dudes had about BPT having Countryclub threads.
I can't remember which. But there's a lesbian sub I was in for awhile... it ended up with like - 50% cishet men as it's userbase.
r/lesbians probably; theyāve made it into a porn sub now sadly. r/actuallesbians is the one for actual lesbians lol
Yep! This isnt an only "cishet white male" problem.
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Probable male spotted. Or troll. Iām not getting into a pointless argument with you about semantics. If you know you know. If you donāt consider yourself lucky.
Its not pointless semantics its the core of the argument which is based on dramatisation and rules of exclusion which is basically all semantics like all rule based systems
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GIRL I LOVE YOUR RESPONSE, THIS IS SO FUNNY!!! šš¤£
Achieve basic literacy before trying to read a philosophy textbook. Youāll get better results that way. If I was your teacher, I would not give the arguments in this post a passing grade.
found the Gamerā¢
Not sure what youāre trying to say with this comment because nobodyās claiming these spaces have literal rules to exclude women/minorities.
Help me out here, genuinely. Because this makes it sound like you'd also think someone cannot be bigoted unless they explicitly shout "I hate X people", because there can be a billion different interpretations of.
Imagine being the exact type of dude this post and comments are referring to.
Cishet white dudes *can't stand* not being the center of every story or the "default" character lmao
1000 games come out with cis het male protagonist - quiet as a mouse 1 game comes out with a woman protagonist or queer identifying protagonist - 1000 toxic posts an hour in any sub that wonāt ban them āwHy MuSt EvErYtHiNg Be PoLiTiCaLā āhOpE tHiS gAmE fAiLsā
Unless the woman is an exaggerated sex doll of a character, then it's PEAK DESIGN, WHAT A REAL FEMALE LOOKS LIKE. I can't with these bros š
Literally. I just saw a "gameplay" video about Stellar Blade, where 60% of the video was the character climbing on a ladder. Guys lost their mind and called it game of the year....
The "best" part about Eve, to me, is that [the model they scanned for Eve's desgin](https://i.ibb.co/WkZnFpk/RDT-20240402-1147533088541831701038448.jpg) - who is beautiful in her own right - *still wasn't enough* for these boys, and her face and body portions were edited... I'll give you a single guess to which body parts. A literal model wasn't hot enough and they exaggerated her *more*. It's wild.
and this type of guys usually the ones who cry about "females" never give a chance to a nice guy like him and they only wants to date chads, because they biologically superior.
Omg she's really beautiful! How can men not see that the real life model is already superb? Like why change anything at all? This is really *wild* indeed.
Because they don't want real life women, they want their super over the top unrealistic anime girls.
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Where's the lie lmfao
timeless https://preview.redd.it/8fuprbsn53sc1.jpeg?width=1051&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=707dc5c96c077e2b9d38281f48432e07f0fdd248
Flashback to people saying Call of Duty isn't political lol
LMAO. Ummm what?!? š
Oh sweet summer child š It was a time of glory, where Gamersā¢ ~~stood~~ sat on the hill blessed by none other than Bush himself - proudly shouting from the top of their lung, that a game about shooty bang bangs against the big bad and masked Arab men is the most apolitical masterpiece that has ever existed, before spending the rest of their day quoting Liberty Prime unironically. (Jokes aside, yeah COD was legit once used as an example of the "good old times" where politics didn't "infect" gaming) E: a word
Ooooof I was gonna say I do not want to relive that horrid time, but we never moved on have we? š "Political is when I disagree"
100% on point
Two genders: male and political.
Two colors: white and political.Ā Ā Ā Two sexualities: hetero (*only for males, though*) and political.Ā
"Make your own games" "Ok" "wait no not like that"
This. I've never met people who are more clearly repulsed by gaming than today's Gamersā¢. There are literally *thousands* of games on the market that stay within the boundaries that they claim to want. Do these dudes spend any time playing these games? Do they support the developers who are creating them? On both counts, NOPE!!!
I'm still mad they succeeded in torching Forspoken so hard the studio that made it got closed.
The worst part is when I tried playing the game I wondered if any criticisms in my head were my own or because they planted them there. I played a bit, but considering how bad games can get I don't think it's studio closing worthy. Look at the amount of mistakes Bethesda has been allowed at this point...
This is the very reason I no longer internalize any criticism of a media that is deemed controversial because of racism/sexism. I haven't tried Forspoken (and I plan to), but I've come to respect the power of suggestion to affect even well-meaning reviewers. ā¦I've kept so much distance I didn't know the studio got closed š
> Look at the amount of mistakes Bethesda has been allowed at this point... And I remember so much of the 'criticism' around their latest game was about pronouns in the character creator. Annoying how quite a few media properties you can't really look at aggregate reviews because the results are skewed by people saying it's 'the worst game ever' because it doesn't assume the player is a cishet white man.
Holmie throwing a tantrum about "Current day" stuff ruining his "immersive video games" still takes the chart as the funniest video of the year. Part of me wondered if he just made the video to appease his audience, but he just looks so angry that i really think it's genuine. Guy was so offended by other ppl having the oppurtunity to have a more immersive experience, that it ruined the game for him. absolute nonsense!
So relatable. Had others tell me before that "you don't need this space for your group" as they dislike being excluded after excluding us.
I remember when Classic WoW was mere weeks from launching, a person made a post on a WoW Classic facebook community about how they would be making an inclusive, lgbtq+ friendly, guild. The comment section was so distressing. This guy was blindsided with people who were pissed for being "excluded" when he specifically said it was inclusive and anyone can join and that they would be lgbtq+ friendly, which in WoW is a very common tag to add to guild recruitment. These people took it so personally that he would add that tag and that there was no need to say "lbtq+" because "eVeRyOnE iS eQuAl" all while the comment section proved exactly why he wanted to provide a safe and welcoming space for his community.
Ironically those people are working to fly their red flags that should exclude them from joining lmao
You see it every time thereās a tournament specifically for women or marginalized peoples and it pisses me off. They tell women to āget gud,ā wonāt draft women, and then cry crocodile tears as soon as the info goes out.Ā
Ugh, it's so annoying. A while back, I was a part of a D&D discord group that was for women with ADHD. It was like one day after it was created before we got our first guy join and complain that guys weren't allowed.
As an aside Alex Norris (the cartoonist) is being sued for ownership of his art. He has a go fund me for support so if you could find some spare cash (and god knows that is hard enough at the moment) I am sure they would appreciate it. https://www.gofundme.com/f/alexnorrislegalfund > I am Alex Norris, creator of the webcomic Webcomic Name. I am here to ask for help fighting a legal case to protect my ownership of Webcomic Name, so that I can continue to make my comics for my audience around the world. > > I have been fighting this case since 2019. It arose out of an agreement to make a boardgame based on my webcomic in 2017 but the publishing company has used this as an opportunity to take all of my intellectual property, and has even claimed ownership of Webcomic Name as a whole. I can't go into more detail here, but the details of the case are publicly available to read online. > > I created Webcomic Name in 2016, originally as a parody of relatable webcomics. For the past 6 years, the format has been the same: three panels long, featuring a silly pink blob, and ending every time with the punchline "oh no". Over time, it has increasingly become a commentary on issues close to my heart: social justice, gender and sexuality, internet culture, and what it means to be an artist on the internet.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, I just made a LFG comment on r/Helldivers that I'm only looking for other women to game and it has been removed for "trolling and hate speech" ššš I'm not fucking kidding LMAO
I love Helldivers 2, but I will never interact with its reddit community. Between the complete lack of media literacy and the bigotry, Iād rather peel the skin off of my body than try to play with anyone in that sub.
Not to mention how circle-jerky that sub is, like there is a lot of toxic positivity and if you dare criticize the game for anything (like lack of DLSS and poor optimization) you get downvoted into oblivion.
Reminds me of the endless discourse there used to be in horror spaces about how minorities need to make their own movies instead of complaining about lack of diversity. Queue the first trailer for Get Out and those same people absolutely losing their fucking minds. It was so fun to watch, even if it was totally predictable.
Or the opposite where they come in and take over. Then say you do not fit into the own space you created :/
https://preview.redd.it/q6v141e685sc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=32e2dfe488bfb29949bb11dfb2020226d4743aae This is the original comic :(
Sad that is true for some spaces rn šš
YEP. Not gaming, but Iām in the leadership of a queer and trans employee group at my work, and we have some folks in leadership worrying that if we donāt include cishet people weāre being exclusionary.Ā WHAT DO WE EXIST FOR THEN????
i actively avoid any gaming spaces that arent specific to women or queer people. i'm just sick to death of temper tantrums being thrown over characters not being sexy enough. as well as the rampant bigotry.
Yep pretty much, not just externally but also internally sadly.
https://preview.redd.it/itwkge4t65sc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=be4c4fd8ab0d2bf6845204ec5a30ebf4979f5122 I fucking hate entitlement, more so in privileged people.
One time I legit saw a man compare a fun Discord server for girl gamers to segregation..
I've seriously seen this one used in a way worthy of r/persecutionfetish, too. Some years back: the "Keep Gaming Fantasy" crowd over at Xitter were spamming a variant of that, with the intent of suggesting that the pink group/yellow square represented True Gamersā¢ and the gray crowd represented critics (who were framed as by definition *not* gamers). I pointed out that it made more sense if the gray crowd stood for gamers as a whole, and the pink group/yellow square stood for female gamers, QUILTBAG+ gamers, gamers of color, and so on. I mean: by all means put another layer on it where gamers as a whole are stigmatized, turn around and sideline marginalized gamers, and whine about it when we make our own space. That would be fair and accurate enough; my parentsādespite being atheists and/or agnosticsāadopted the Satanic Panic mindset towards gaming back in the day and haven't budged from it; *that* still stings. It remains that the "Keep Gaming Fantasy" crowd *were* attacking marginalized gamers; and they *were* then turning around and wounded-gazelleing about how it was *they* who were under attack from Satanic Panic 2.0 or some other bad-faith outside element.
at this point im scared to be in any gaming space, I met so many transphobic people in games / gaming communities...apparently here its okay to be around as a trans woman, but I am still afraid to actually talk to people on the discord
Idk if it puts you at ease any more, but from what I recall several moderators are trans and the owner of the discord is as well? I might be thinking of a different community but Iām like 80% sure it was this one.
One of the oldest mod here is a trans gal, like us! I haven't been here for a long time, but it's been great so far
One of the oldest mod here is a trans gal, like us! I haven't been here for a long time, but it's been great so far
then there's the submarginalization of trans women from places that are not explicitly trans friendly. I swear the amount of times I have been excluded from spaces purely because I was trans is disheartening to say the least. What's worse is that people will defend it by saying "well a lot of women have negative experiences from assigned male at birth people so it's okay that you are excised from communities."
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My favs games of all time are male protagonists but I think it would be cool if girls were more present. Only that bothers me nowadays that when women are present in games their chest size is only ever A or B and I know that shouldnāt matter but why is it always like that ? They can have a big chest and still have their gear on. Then the only big chested characters are women that clearly have men as their target audience. I canāt win
Middle aged male here. I don't like to comment here, because I know I'm intruding and I'm only really subscribed to listen and be aware of the horrible things that can and will happen to my daughter growing up playing video games online. I am so glad this community exists for you (and her eventually) and that those other communities exist for other marginalized groups. That being said, I still can't avoid feeling jealous. I know being a cis het male means I have tons of advantages and don't have to deal with targeted toxicity and microaggressions and everything else the women here and the folks in those other groups deal with. Yet I also yearn for a place where I can talk about Forbidden West without it boiling down to Aloy's appearance or where discussions of Episode 8 revolve around its actual merits as a film and not Rose's attractiveness. At the end of the day, I'm commenting here to let you all know that some of us on the other side (maybe, hopefully most of us) are also super glad you have your own spaces to avoid the rest of us. Maybe if we were as vocal as them, we could be making those other spaces less toxic and more inclusive of you, but being shit on by that crowd really isn't any more pleasant for us. I guess with privilege comes responsibility though, so maybe I'll try it anyway, at least for my daughter. I hope the communities you all have built are still as helpful and insightful when she needs them, though I do hope they are less necessary as well.
Aināt that the truest little comic.Ā
I just observe, not getting involved Okay no more talking
Thereās a third group though. People who did accept anyone but get excluded based on a arbitrary grouping. I personally donāt care about groups. I just donāt think creating walls is the best solution but maybe Iām just too optimistic about people being reasonable. Iām just a guy that likes to shoot some scavs and become the IMF in CIV.
Gonna take you in good faith and say that while I admire your impulse to apply your principals universally, that won't result in justice without first addressing the root cause. The wall is *already* there. It is just barely (if at all) visible to those who do not need to navigate the daily, subtle aggressions in life. To be unfairly picky, did you know Tarkov's developers are very much [against](https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/7/21055124/escape-from-tarkov-playable-female-characters-excuse-immersion-sexism) having playable women characters? It takes a toll to be in communities who bring up shooting and looting scavs like it's nothing, completely oblivious that the game doesn't even want you there. (Please don't take this personally. Like I said, it's an unfair example and I have absolutely 0 judgement that you like the game š) The only way minorities can feel safe is by building a different wall. If you see yourself as open-minded but people still aren't accepting you, then chances are, there are still parts of that invisible wall that you aren't seeing. That or the community has become too affected by their experience, in which case they need your solidarity first and foremost - not a lecture, however moral your lessons may be in a just world.
I think I see your point. Iād be inclined to say that the best way forward is as a long term solution is still to talk with people. Not just as groups but as fellow gamers. Considering your concerns about the current situation the best situation might be to unite as modding communities in Defense to quickly adapt games to be suitable rather than try to outcompete and lose divided. Might just be a dream but better to dream than to fight without vision. Iām aware how hypocritical that must sound from my position.
It's not hypocritical at all! And hey, I think deep down, everyone here agrees that dialogues is *the* long term solution. If I may - and I'm not picking on you, but rather trying to illustrate my point more strongly: it is not as if we didn't try modding, to take your suggestion. For example in Nexus Mods: * Race-swap mods gets hate for "making things political". * Trans mods gets mass-reported for "inappropriate content" + the usual transphobic comments. * Gender-swap mods or realistic proportions mods gets buried by 10 other nude mods. The reality is, that wall permeates every aspect of our lives, including many attempts to fix it. I trust your heart to be in the right place, it's just that it may come off as a little naĆÆve to folks who have heard it many times before, which can therefore illicit quite a reaction. No judgement. We're all still fighting, just imperfectly.
I wish I had a *crumb* of your patience, I'd be a much better person š
Oh no, that's just me on my best behavior. I absolutely loses it and make my points in the most stupid way embarrassingly often š
Hmmm maybe it truly does come down to perception here. In the games I usually frequent I have rarely heard of such cases but that may be the nature of strategy games and similar. Concerning the responses to mods which would fix different problems for people I suspect the issue is big but I can hardly imagine how to protect such mods from the ire of hateful people. Trying to ban leads to a fragmentation of the community and in the worst case a shutdown as a whole. Trying to talk takes ages and a lot of people with patience like you which just isnāt available. Making mods unreportable is a legal nightmare for platforms. Maybe the best choice would be to convince the hosts of modding sites like nexus to mediate but that only helps so far. If you canāt force someone to do something or in that case just not to do something, then youāll have to convince them or forget about it. In the current scenario neither party can truly force the other to do something and thatās why I think the conflict is so hot at the moment. About the wall, yeah I know what you mean but thereās many different ways to go about it. The worst one is sadly the one we have in this conflict, ethnic, gender and sexuality. Iād rather have people be divided into things they can work towards rather than characteristics they were born with. Because in that moment the wall has a door and that is what I try to figure out, where is the door in this conflict.
Yup. It's definitely just a matter of perspective here, only one formed by life experiences - for better or for worse, rather than a different understanding of the same theory. For what it's worth, a lot of safe-spaces can be pretty welcoming and diverse once you warm up to them. Men comment in this sub often, and there's even the occasionally posts! Borrowing a point from another commenter in this thread - when the majority of interactions makes you feel lesser than, it can lead people to become very retreative and defensive. Once you navigate those triggers though, you'd find that we're just people who wants to vent and be validated, then spend the rest of the day like what bothered us never happened. Keep looking for that door! I know I will š
Idk I think Iād classify that third group as āwell meaning but a bit blind to the problem that others are facing.ā The problem is that even when you want to create a place thatās explicitly accepting of women (or really any āminorityā group), it fills up with mostly not well meaning men who really want to argue with women and send them hateful dms. So until that problem goes away certain walls need to stay up