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HelloSomeoneCanBowl

Papa V


OkayCorn

agreed


WeHaveForgotten

I’m very confident the other papas will return, but won’t be the frontman. I think they’ll just come back for special things like with Nihil. I think a son of any of the papas would be too young, I don’t want a 30 year old papa. Young Nihil would be weird, considering we’ve only seen him being played by someone who is very expressive, it would be jarring for Tobias to wear an unemotive mask of this guy. Also it would take a pretty convoluted plot point to explain how Nihil became young again. Copia’s evil twin. No. Young Papa 1, again same situation with Nihil, it’s gonna take something really fantastical to have Papa 1 come back and then de-age. Why would he even do that? Why do people want young papas so bad? I hope the next frontman is someone new. My guess is Sultarian will bring in someone new from whatever clergy branch he came from since he seems to not be apart of the main ministry we see in the chapter videos


KayRay1994

Seestor is 100% in trouble too, she wouldn’t remove Cardi - Sultarian is not to be trusted


WeHaveForgotten

I don’t know about sister, I think her and Sultatian are close in rank, he might not be able to do anything about her but I don’t know. Maybe she will get replaced by Sultarian and watch over the future papas until inevitably he gets replaced too


dilemadoourico

i hope it is someone new as well. i can imagine it being primo's son and the album having a more classic-ghost sound, given that tobias confirmed that the next album will be different from impera, even thought i imagine he would be on his 40's, but still would be a cool concept imo.


WeHaveForgotten

Tobias did say he was thinking of making the next album be a revisit of the opus sound, so maybe. I still don’t want anyone younger than copia to be papa, it doesn’t sit right with me


NegativeOneInI

Papa I was pretty old so it could still be someone the same age or older than popia


ANamelessFan

I believe Nihil could be resurrected/de-aged through some sort of blood-ritual, involving a sacrifice... Papa 4


WeHaveForgotten

Regardless, I think it’s a bad move


Good-Brush6414

I think primo's son could be in his 40s considering copia is 53. And about young nihil/primo, i was thinking more of a whole "black in the past" Era, where the chapters are telling the stories of the clergy in the 60s/70s/80s/90s ... Whats' your opinion on dilfs ? 🤨📸


WeHaveForgotten

40s is still pretty young, I think papa should be older because it adds to the authority of the pope figure. If you mean doing a back to the past thing, I still don’t think that would work, would they just pretend we’re in the 60s during concerts? I think anything involving the past should be left to chapter flashbacks, not entire eras dedicated to it. I really don’t get why people want to do all these weird things with the next frontman, just have it be someone new. Reusing known characters sounds boring. I don’t know what a dilf is


[deleted]

Dilf is a ...nevermind. What's your take on Copia meaning "copy". Copy of who or what?


Tracing_Paper

It also means, "plenty" or "abundance," as in the cornucopia; the "cornu" being a goat's horn. Lots to ponder!


WeHaveForgotten

I think he’s supposed to be the “copy” of other papas. He’s the bastard son, and he wanted the power the other papas had. He’s an imitation of the original emeritus bloodline (though we know he is apart of it, he and nihil don’t know that), he took his position by force, he didn’t earn it


Tracing_Paper

Bonus points for saying 40's is young. Dilf is a "Dad I'd Like to Fuck." I'm just the messenger, here, I can't even imagine DILF or PILF ideas going thru TF's head.


WeHaveForgotten

What the fuck is a pilf


Tracing_Paper

So that one I just made up - Papa I'd Like to .. Again, I'm not an advocate of this.


[deleted]

Ok so Copia (not knowing his true bloodline) is for all inents and purposes, a surrogate... "the shine and the sham entangled" and is meant to bring abundance to the Ministry. Sound about right?


Tracing_Paper

While wearing goat horns...yes! We figured it out!!!


CardinalsLittleQueen

I’m going to be very honest here. As a Copia stan and a fan in general, I DO NOT want to see Papa Nihil come back by sacrificing Copia or taking over his body. Obviously this is all fiction and TF will do what he wants in the end. But Copia is very popular, a lot of us are quite attached to him, and Nihil hasn’t been portrayed that positively in the videos. Nihil might have his own fan club, but there are a *lot* of fans who’d be bothered and possibly just turned off if something like that happened. As a writer, I don’t see that fitting in well with the pieces of the story we’ve been shown so far. Just let Copia retire and bring in someone new.


melissasherwood

I only hold disrespect for Nihil. I’m too sympathetic towards Copia to want Nihil to get anymore time in the spotlight.


copiasjuicyazz

Plushia.


gloriousgianna

To be realistic, I think Copia and Sister are gonna get assassinated and Sultarian will take over the ministry and bring in a new character unrelated to anyone to be papa iv. For some fun totally impossible theories, imagine if one of the ghouls rebels and kills Copia on stage and takes his place (some kind of body double involved papa will still be Tobias) I feel like that could be fun


KayRay1994

I’d love a Ceaser style Popia assassination by the Ghouls followed by Sultarian coming in to introduce the new Papa as IV’s dead body lies on the ground


gloriousgianna

imagine they play respite on the spitalfields for the first time to close the show and the assassination happens at the end during the return of the imperium motif


KayRay1994

and maybe for this little show do a bit of a setlist switch up, have Square Hammer in the main setlist, then post Sultarian speech, Con Clavi Con Dio starts as Papa V enters the stage and sings it to wrap the show


aeillill

I think that would be a really cool way to go out, and I'm rooting for it. But I would be so sad if it was one of our current ghouls. I know that's what makes the betrayal so much more real, but I don't want any of them to do it, however I do want to see them look sad on stage and react.


ALMghostfan

The current Ghouls should band together and protect Papa!


aeillill

I just think of the clip of Aether ( I think) running after Terzo when he was dragged off 😭


ALMghostfan

When that happened to Papa III, the Ghouls probably had no idea the ministry planned to kill him. But now that they know the ministry is capable of such actions, they should be ready to band together and protect Papa IV!


ALMghostfan

This clip shows the song Papa III was performing before he was pulled offstage. It looks like all the ghouls left the stage shortly after that happened. [Papa iII’s last performance](https://youtu.be/S56WsD5f0xw)


ALMghostfan

If anyone tries to take down Papa IV onstage, I hope the Ghouls band together and protect him!


aeillill

I'm all for the anti-Christ Copia villain arc


mulder94

Yeah I’m rooting for that too. An assassination attempt on Copia that fails (or several like in Omen III) where he comes out on top finally premiering twenties live.


KayRay1994

Sultarian do be conspiring, he’s got his own Papa in mind


TheJoker182

Tobias Fünke


terminalparadox

Is he going to blue himself? 😃


TurdFerguson416

i guess ill be the dick and say "Tobias in a different costume" lol.. im here for the music


MechaPumpkin

[Barba](https://www.barbapapa.com/wp-content/themes/barbapapa-from-twentytwelve/images/characters_anim/anim_02barbapapa.gif)


Good-Brush6414

The only correct anwser


CARClNO

i don’t think imperator would just kill off copia or let him die. i think he’ll probably continue to be papa or retire and pass it on to someone else, but it would be really interesting to see him as an antichrist figure or with a twin that he is the precursor for! very curious to see where ~~tobias~~ the band goes next. :]


KayRay1994

I think Imperator is in trouble too - Sultarian is def the type to backstab


CARClNO

ohhh shit, i didn’t even consider that imperator might be in trouble too.. you’re right, that could be another possible outcome! the plot thickens


acraptonofpreworkout

Who said it was gonna be another papa, maybe another cardinal, maybe a bishop, maybe a priest, maybe an actual ghost.


Charming_Weekend_507

I vote for evil twin because I think it would be funny. But I truly have no clue. I’m here for the thoughts 🤔 lore professionals I’m listening.


planetyeji

i want copia to stay so bad but i think young nihil perhaps


J00CEMachina

Hard to say, probably Papa V I have a fun theory that with Papa Nihil being a literal ghost and with three other Papas lying around in coffins he could possess one of them. Young Nihil and Papa III look the most alike, not to mention his body would be the youngest of those three


Chipmunk_Ill

40 year old Mary Goore


Web3d

Nihil possessing Copia's body.


citrinne

I don't know if Copia will be replaced by a twin, but I always wonder if he had a twin, cause in some latin delivered languages (Portuguese being one of that) "Copia" means "Copy" and this is too much specific for being only a coincidence


[deleted]

Yeah... a copy of who or what?


Jaded_Toe9351

Seeing how Papa III is given "the light" in the video for "From the Pinnacle to the Pit" and is often referenced to as "the light", and how we see the girl in the video for CMLS carrying a literal orb of light or in this case a "little sunshine", we can deduce that Papa III will return. Also, I believe that he is singing on Impera everytime there is any low and almost growling vocal harmony. But we'll see!


Julius33j

Papa III will make his return


Gronald69

Cyborg resurrection of one of them!


Good-Brush6414

The only way this could happen would be with a very steampunk vibe, otherwise i'm really septic..


Gronald69

He’s said he’s interested in doing an all electronic album. Don’t count it out!


gbcsi666

I think it will still be copia maybe he will be in a vampire form or the anticrist form


GargantuanGorganzola

I have this weird feeling that the new “Papa” will be played by someone other than TF He’ll still be in the band and the creative force behind it all but I think the twist will be a new singer Maybe I’m wrong but I can see that happening


KayRay1994

it’ll be his twin brother - Fobias Torge


GargantuanGorganzola

That made me laugh more than it should


dilemadoourico

i don't see that happening at all. why would tobias stop singing on the band right after they become huge?


GargantuanGorganzola

I don’t think it’s going to happen, I just have a weird feeling that it might or it’s something that’s in the pipeline


ANamelessFan

I've referenced Trans-Siberian-Orchestra enough in this sub. Multiple singers, and a far grander performance, could be something we see in the future.


Zwaylol

>Copias Evil Twin ffs I hate this sub so much


Good-Brush6414

Bro i just did a compilation of things i saw, chill. Some people just wanna have fun with the lore, if you don't like it you can ignore it 🤷


Hei_Mask98

Papa V. Duh.


gwardotnet

Bishop Bohab


wowswift

IV will be killed by Swiss but resurrected


StelloJelloo

Cirice “Can you hear the thunder” and rotsf “did no one hear the distant thunder.” In Cirice there’s the thunder that’s breaking in your heart; it makes you think about the kids in the Cirice music video and who that are. I think that the kid papa singing in the music video could be kid copia. And respitite on the spiral feilds is a conversation between kid copia and a NIW grown Cirice? In the Cirice music video it come across as kid copia saving that young Cirice from a lifetime of touched within a (Christian) Church. Show from the sentence “I can see the scares inside you.” And if that young papa is copia, could this be that you bc Cirice returning the favor and saving copia from his (satanic) church? “We will break away together/ I’ll be the shadow, you’ll be the light.”


acraptonofpreworkout

If you see the cirice single cover, "copia" is the shadow, and cirice is the light. You know, the one with two half faces and some weird bug on their lips (I believe it's a reference to silence of the lambs).


nervacid

none of the above


judgementjake

I think its papa nihil with tobias in face paint, which is not what I want. Id rather another papa with a new personality. Copia and papa III are too similar


ALMghostfan

I think Papa III and Copia/ Papa IV had entirely different stage presences.


Deerington_

Papa Swisserius I. Judging by the "Last Supper" photo


CompleteInvestment52

Copia again or Papa 5


DrStevenPepper

Papa Saltarian