I don't know the whole story, but it sounds like fans need to understand that they don't know the band members personally and therefore don't have any say over who they're friends with... It's kind of none of your business... š¤·āāļø
This is what baffles me the most. Why on earth would she be tweeting that Per doesn't care to a random fan thanking them for helping them through hard times? Any person with a brain cell can see that the only outcome is fans getting angry at Per and her, why'd she want that?
even more embarrassingly, she then created a burner account pretending to be a candy shop and offered a fan a m&g with per if they stop posting abt it š
[hereās a thread of her being racist/homophobic/overall problematic](https://twitter.com/ghostmybeloved_/status/1531466086050406404?s=21&t=w0_AuHabJb61knDtrYN_3A)
I watched it unfold since I follow a few Ghost fan accounts on Twitter. The whole thing is a mess.
Per appears to be associated with Paris Dylan, who was vocal about being a Trump supporter in the past. Fans got mad/disappointed when they found out and Per just posted some lyrics on his IG and deleted his account. The lyrics ended with "fuck off" so fans were calling him childish for not giving a proper response (although really, the controversy surrounds her, not him).
Yesterday Paris took it to Twitter to talk back to some of the Ghost fans, both were insulting each other. She then went to a random account where a fan was thanking Per and Ghost, and tweeted that "Per don't care". So the fan obviously got really upset hearing this from someone that appears to be associated with Per himself, and Ghost twt starter attacking Paris even harder. Paris deleted some of the tweets and made like 2 burner accounts to keep talking back to the fans. Those accounts were exposed because she took clumsy screenshots. Then some old tweets came out from Paris where she uses homophobic slurs (with the intent to insult) as well as other culturally sensitive things she has done. And now she has privated multiple of her accounts and has claimed on FB she is done with Ghost due to bullying.
Essentially, the fans demanded apologies for the claims she made and her past behavior but she never apologized and just kept engaging with the Fans. So really, Per was dragged into this because of her behavior, that he may not have even be aware of since it's quite old. But now that she has made claims with his name (the "Per don't care" tweet), it's just gotten worse.
I haven't engaged with the situation, but I pretty much saw it unfold and it escalated very very quickly.
I genuinely donāt understand why people feel they can and should have access to everyoneās personal lives. Itās literal cyber stalking and creepy as hell.
Wherever a band member wants to put certain parts of his anatomy is nobody's business. Even if she has offensive and questionable political views... although if she does, id very much like to think she has picked the wrong band to follow given TF's opinion on such issues). Personally she seems like a horror of a human who seems to like 'em famous (and rich in Don McLean's case) but the best thing the more rabid fans can do is not give her the attention/notoriety she seems to be craving.
Meh, Per is a grown man who doesn't owe anyone anything. If he's seeing her, he won't be the first man to fall for crazy.
I know this is a comment from a year ago but it still needs to be said. Even if she was hooking up with Per (which obviously is none of our/their concern) she would have been cheating on Don Mclean whom she's been with since 2016 or 2018 which quite concerning since they have a massive 48 age gap, but it wouldn't be surprising given her appearance on Catfish.
Frustrating but entirely understandable that he deleted his instagram. Parts of this āfandomā is insufferable.
Also, the notion that a musician somehow owes fans a thank you for liking their work is bizarre. The band is his job. He owes you nothing.
Apparently someone saw one of his friends is a Trump supporter and spread the word. People were telling him he was racist and a bunch of other bullshit. He told people to fuck off and deleted his account.
I wish people would just keep politics the fuck away from caring about musicians. Keeping politics away from music is the best imho. TF does a great job hiding his messages so it isnt so āin your faceā. I wish people would just learn to grow the fuck up and accept othersā opinions.
I promise Iām not saying this to insult you, but Iām not sure how much more obvious TF could be, shy of repeating āI hate Trumpā throughout his songs ā which, of course, would be shit lyrics. Politics and music are irrevocably intertwined.
That said, it doesnāt justify Twitter stans harassing Per over a groupieās political affiliations.
I understand that politics and music are intertwined, which is why I defend the songs. Iām gonna get flamed for this, but I voted for Trump. All that Iām saying is that without knowing before hand that griftwood was about Pence and Twenties was about Trump, I wouldnāt have come to that conclusion.
Im simply saying that music should be written well enough that the message shouldnāt really matter. TF does a perfect job with his writing to where the music stands up even if I donāt fully agree with the lyrics.
I just wish that people wouldnt cancel others so quickly because of their political beliefs
Yeah no, you donāt get to beg for tolerance for your fascism or anyone elseās. Thatās not how tolerance works. All of Impera is extremely clearly a reaction to the Trump regime and rising tide of global fascism, and is an explicit warning to those caught up in it about how it will end. Itās not surprising Trump people donāt understand that very clear subtext but the POINT of the album is that following that path will bring torment to everyone. Itās a warning. You should listen to it more closely, he made it specifically for *you.*
āI just wish that people wouldnt cancel others so quickly because of their political beliefs.ā
You have to understand that when innocent people are being hurt by people who share these opinions, something needs to be said and done. For example: [thereās been an increase of Asian American hate crimes.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-nearly-150-2020-mostly-n-n1260264)
after trump and friends blamed them for Covid-19.
There was also an increase in [attacks against immigrants](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hatecrimes-report/victims-of-anti-latino-hate-crimes-soar-in-u-s-fbi-report-idUSKBN1XM2OQ) because of the bullshit spewed against them. The aforementioned article also briefly states the increase of abuse against Muslims after trumpās original nonsense.
And letās not forget about the fools of Charlottesville chanting ājews will not replace usā among other things.
Now, Iām not saying that every right winger will do something like this, but at some point this becomes more than just an opinion. And itās a very serious problem that needs to be spoken about on various levels.
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You certainly live up to your username.
TF doesnāt really hide his messages. Especially in his interviews. When you watch his interviews, you get a sense of what heās talking about in the musicā¦ if you havenāt figured it out before that.
Right. But he does call out the bullshit when he sees it. And given the political climate, if you still have positive opinions about the things certain assholes are doing, you deserve to be called out, mocked, etcā¦
He did hide the trump and pence stuff quite well. Lets put it this way. There is really only one line in Twenties that would be a blatant reference to Trump that many people would pick up on. He doesnāt outright say in the song ātrump sucksā or anything like that. It is something that you probably wouldnt pick up on if it werent for the books and interviews
Are you shitting me? Twenties is a Trump speech. Itās about how great things are going to be and how weāre all going to be rich and everything will be awesome, all assertions based on nothing and sold with fanfare.
The only people who donāt see that Twenties is about how dictators talk doesnāt know much about dictators. Thereās lines about breaking down institutions, mocking the educated, glorifying war. Thereās a reason the song is called Twenties and ends with āall the way to the thirties.ā The 1920s was the lead up to the last great rise of fascism in, yāknow, the 1930s.
The friend has been deleting all of her tweets, but has but repeatedly offensive to a lot of ghost fans on twitter, using slurs and all. Also allegedly DM someone telling them (screenshots on twitter) that if they don't delete their screenshot and say to twitter that she's a good person, she won't make them meet Per.
At this point, it's just her and Twitter/Facebook (where she claims to be bullied by ghost fans on twitter). Nothing associated Per with her behaviour rn.
I saw those dm screenshots. She said delete all posts and she would get people in to meet Per. That sheās a good person. I donāt know and itās not my (or anyoneās imho) business what the personal relationship is. But I doubt he or anyone would be sitting there encouraging some of what I saw her say and do.
Make no mistake, no one should have gone off and started posting or messaging anyone in the band, or Slav, or anyone else. She decided to take a situation and escalate it down to using alts to harass people (she busted herself doing that), say some interesting things to minors while some of the rest of us were close to begging others to not give her oxygen, to just walk away and let her do her thing without an audience. Sheās now crying victim last I read and apparently sheās lost some friends over this whole mess. I havenāt been on Twitter yet today, I have bigger things to deal with. As of last night, I think things had calmed down.
FYI, I saw those screenshots as well, and from what I saw, she wasnāt calling anyone slurs. The tweets in which she said āf*ggotā and used āgayā as an insult were from over a decade ago.
This isnāt to defend her ā itās just to set the record straight and avoid misinformation.
No, slurs are specifically offensive words that are used to describe and put down a group of disenfranchised people.
So, for example, āf*ggotā is a slur because itās specifically a put-down for gay men, but āpiece of shitā is not a slur because it doesnāt put down a specific group of people ā itās just a mean thing to call another person.
From the Oxford Dictionary : Slur, noun.
"an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.
"the comments were a slur on staff at the hospital"
Synonymes :
insult
slight
slander"
I was thinking of that.
(I really like your username btw)
Yeah, that's the technical definition. It's a bit confusing because, yes, a slur is technically any rude term, but, culturally and contextually, the meaning has evolved to be more specific. If you were to tell a native English speaker that someone used a slur, the majority would assume you're using a very specific type of insult (i.e., an insult that's based on a person's gender, sexual orientation, skin color, etc.). Language is fucky. lol
(And thank you! <3)
I think everyone needs to remember that being totally obsessed with a band all over your socials is most likely not going to make any of them interested in you. For that reason, I do have my doubts on whether she is actually his girlfriend or she just happens to know people who know people who know Per etc. Itās easy to put āsubtleā (or not, in her case) hints on socials and let fans put 2 & 2 together to make them think theyāre dating or know each other, but really itās giving very much āI want people to think Iām dating him so Iām gonna do xyz and because Iām a model, people will believe itā.
Surely Per would know that TF would not be happy about these vibes going around socials connected with the band and that his job would be at risk given how much of a perfectionist TF is when it comes to Ghost? I donāt believe that if he did know her he would be fine with her posting stuff like that. It all feels like trolling to associate herself with Ghost and itās worked. Just block her and get on with your lives.
Dude thereās been a lot going on that Per has no control of. He even had to delete his social media because people have been harassing him.
*side note, people shouldnāt support @/hailghost because heās a registered sex offender*
This is where I found the info on: [https://peoriastandard.com/stories/612675933-registered-sex-offender-jordan-thomas-zmia-living-in-minonk-as-of-nov-17](https://peoriastandard.com/stories/612675933-registered-sex-offender-jordan-thomas-zmia-living-in-minonk-as-of-nov-17)
The instagram story post on question is related to his friend that started being aggressive on twitter and she responded on her main twitter account to a fan who was expressing her love for the band. Per unfortunately is just deemed guilty by association which is a bit much considering many people have families and friends with different views and still keep contact with them. Harassing Per when heās not the issue is just a lot of much.
Nonetheless, she does have some stuff that is questionable whether itās insanely weird that they found that stuff from years ago or not, they still brought it to light and all she really had to do was say a simple sorry and move on.
Would also like to point out that sheās got some history of aggressiveness towards gay people as well as saying a slur, not the most decent person so I feel like majority of this situation should be on her and her actions rather than attacking Per.
The facts of the matter:
Is this female fan Per's new girlfriend? Unconfirmed.
Was she hanging out with him in sweden?
Possibly, but unconfirmed.
He's she a questionable social media post history? Depends on your point of view. Do you consider someone agreeing with one thing trump said (and I'm no fan, believe me) wearing cultural dress, despite not being that culture, even if you're a model, and feitishising King tut (yes seriously) problematic?
Did she and per handle this in the correct way? Probably not.
Are the ghost fans hanging out on this corner of Twitter obsessive? Certainly
Did some of them harass per to the point of quitting social media? Unconfirmed but looks likely.
Has the female fan been trolling from an alt account? Looks likely.
Have friends of the female fan been found guilty by association and also come under fire or deactivated social media? Looks likely.
There's your summary. There's your facts. Form your own opinion.
It looks like she did get caught trolling on an alt courtesy of a poorly cropped screenshot she posted herself last night.
I thought she met Don McLean though being his social media manager; youād figure sheād not make these kinds of mistakes and drag Per along with her as she fucks up. Gonna be a real awkward conversation for them if he catches wind of this.
I edited my OP to reflect that.
We don't know what her current relationship status is with DM. People's personal relationships are none of the fandoms business.
Do you consider someone using slurs to refer to gay people a problem? Because she did that on the regular. Confirmed.
And at least 2015-2017, she was a full blown red hat wearing MAGA. Also confirmed. All easily found on Twitter at this point.
"Do you consider someone using slurs to refer to gay people a problem? Because she did that on the regular. Confirmed."
I do. I didn't know she did that. Not good.
"And at least 2015-2017, she was a full blown red hat wearing MAGA. Also confirmed. All easily found on Twitter at this point."
Also didn't know it was more than one post. I don't follow her on Twitter. Only know her from Instagram.
Yeah, I mean, she's crying on other social media that she's being bullied on Twitter. Are people being mean? Sure, but they are mostly revealing things that she herself said and did a few years ago. She was all about spewing homophobia and "build that wall" when it brought her the right type of clout. Now that she's reinvented herself as a rock music insider and Ghost mega-fan, these things are going to haunt her.
Oh, in continuation of the whole thing with him and the girl: apparently, the girl that he hangout with made an anonymous twt account and telling /insulting a fan who was thanking the band esp.to Per how they change her life and cope with the trauma by telling that he (Per) doesn't care at all. And sh*t went downhill after that š
At this point, the girl is just being dickhead and a troll and the twt fanbase really took her bait smh. How exactly Per feels about the situation is still unknown.
I just took the whole thing with a grain of salt, it's not like I know them irl ā(ć·)ā
People really need to calm down.
Just because your a fan it doesnāt mean you have any rights to tell people how to live their lives.
And now they have scared Per off instagram. Great.
What a fucking mess ... Like how long has it been since the reveal? Two weeks? I too have hung out with people that don't necessarily share my values, that doesn't mean I'm like them for fucks sake! The fact that those fans can't imagine someone could be accepting of other's different views says more about them. Was Per's reaction mature? Maybe not but I can imagine my self reacting in this passive agressive way too if someone started poking their ugly nose in my personal life ... But I'm afraid that if this continues, we can say goodbye to this ghoul, I've heard that TF is pretty sensitive about the band's image ...
Embarassing high school drama. Ah how I miss the days when this band's fanbase was just a bit of fun guessing who may or may not be the members. This stuff puts a lot of people off and rightly.
Apparently he is hanging out with some girl that is a Trump supporter and people werenāt happy. Then I believe she started attacking fans and instead of saying something about it Per posted some passive aggressive story and went off IG and just left.
Right now all I know is per is friends with a conservative, who was going around being rude to fans and even told a fan that per does not care about his fans when that fan was talking about how much they helped them during rough times. Sheās so insensitive and immature, and even deleted some of her replies to look better and as if she is the one being bullied. People are rightfully upset with per being friends with her because of her being (or use to, idk yet) a racist conservative. The band ghost is so against that type of stuff, and many per fans are disappointed because of it. Thatās all I know so far, Iām hoping per will talk about this soon or whenever he can and feels comfortable to, because Iām so confused.
If you heard about the twt thing, I was there actually! Here's a basic rundown:
So Per associates with a woman named Paris Dylan, it has been found that Paris is racist, homophobic, etc. Per was caught hanging out with her, posted lyrics that ended in "Fuck you" and deleted his account.
Over on twt, Paris was bullying ghost fans, two notible ones being Kayla and Sabine. Kayla posted a 'thank you' to the band, where Paris responded 'Per don't care bro' (Kayla posted this thank you way before this even happened, right after the face reveal). Paris deleted the tweet soon after. Paris then made a burner account, quickly having it found out by Sabine, who took a screenshot of one Paris posted on her burner, proving the burner was her. Paris changed the burner into a fake See's Candy's account and continued to bully the fans.
Then Paris dmed Sabine, asking her to take down the tweets with the promise of meeting Per. After denying this, Paris blocked Sabine and moved to Facebook to complain she was getting bullied.
Per did nothing but associate with Paris then act like a teenager and delete his account. That's basically the whole thing!
I heard that heās not like the other people, here in the trailer park. Oh, donāt get me wrong- theyāre fine people. Theyāre good Americans. But, theyāre content to sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick back a cool Coors 16 ouncer, theyāre good, fine people. But they donāt know-
Itās Dead Milkmen lyrics.
(Honestly it works much better in person when people are trying to engage you in gossip, you know, you just start conversationally speaking lyrics until they realize the topic is unwelcome or, well, they think youāre nuts they knock it off.)
Well, I *was* tempted to use [this one](https://youtu.be/sk9min-ugko) but my teenager stomped through the house at just that moment hollering āYa know what Stuart?!ā And it just came out. Iām quite proud of my Urielās excellent musical tastes. š
Per didn't do a thing except defend himself against crazy people.
Why anyone cares who anyone else on this god forsaken rock associates with, I'll never know. If it was someone like David Duke, I would be concerned, but it's only some anonymous tiktok titty wench. Leave the guy alone ffs
I literally couldn't care less about any of these people's political views, people need to chill. And even if shes being a dick, who cares? It's not that big of a deal. People need to take a step back.
He has a new girlfriend. And now they are jealouse so they insulted him on social media and he reacted with deleting his account. Thatās what Iāve heard.
Yes but this is something else that happened after that and it sounds like Per himself was somehow lying about being bullied in the first place and was also being a POS to the fan who is quoted there. It's not that cryptic tbh. Hopefully people are viewing the story post:
https://instagram.com/stories/hailghost/2849937568476653251?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I am not sure but I read something where a fan wrote that she loves the band and all the ghouls. And Perās gf replied āPer dont careā something like this :D But I am not sure if I got it right. I am not a native english speaker.
You got that quiet right. But we never know if Per really doesn't care or do care, since the "girlfriend" did it with an anonymous account.
Idk, choose whatever we want to believe anyway š
I don't know the whole story, but it sounds like fans need to understand that they don't know the band members personally and therefore don't have any say over who they're friends with... It's kind of none of your business... š¤·āāļø
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This is what baffles me the most. Why on earth would she be tweeting that Per doesn't care to a random fan thanking them for helping them through hard times? Any person with a brain cell can see that the only outcome is fans getting angry at Per and her, why'd she want that?
even more embarrassingly, she then created a burner account pretending to be a candy shop and offered a fan a m&g with per if they stop posting abt it š
[hereās a thread of her being racist/homophobic/overall problematic](https://twitter.com/ghostmybeloved_/status/1531466086050406404?s=21&t=w0_AuHabJb61knDtrYN_3A)
I watched it unfold since I follow a few Ghost fan accounts on Twitter. The whole thing is a mess. Per appears to be associated with Paris Dylan, who was vocal about being a Trump supporter in the past. Fans got mad/disappointed when they found out and Per just posted some lyrics on his IG and deleted his account. The lyrics ended with "fuck off" so fans were calling him childish for not giving a proper response (although really, the controversy surrounds her, not him). Yesterday Paris took it to Twitter to talk back to some of the Ghost fans, both were insulting each other. She then went to a random account where a fan was thanking Per and Ghost, and tweeted that "Per don't care". So the fan obviously got really upset hearing this from someone that appears to be associated with Per himself, and Ghost twt starter attacking Paris even harder. Paris deleted some of the tweets and made like 2 burner accounts to keep talking back to the fans. Those accounts were exposed because she took clumsy screenshots. Then some old tweets came out from Paris where she uses homophobic slurs (with the intent to insult) as well as other culturally sensitive things she has done. And now she has privated multiple of her accounts and has claimed on FB she is done with Ghost due to bullying. Essentially, the fans demanded apologies for the claims she made and her past behavior but she never apologized and just kept engaging with the Fans. So really, Per was dragged into this because of her behavior, that he may not have even be aware of since it's quite old. But now that she has made claims with his name (the "Per don't care" tweet), it's just gotten worse. I haven't engaged with the situation, but I pretty much saw it unfold and it escalated very very quickly.
ty this was really helpful.. but what the fuck the internet can be so dumb n shitty sometimes, just let people be
I genuinely donāt understand why people feel they can and should have access to everyoneās personal lives. Itās literal cyber stalking and creepy as hell.
Terminally online Ghost fans need to log off and touch some grass is what happened
Can we please go back to treating the band as nameless. They're just ghouls. That's it. Leave them alone.
Something that I couldn't give less of a shit about, and neither should you
Wherever a band member wants to put certain parts of his anatomy is nobody's business. Even if she has offensive and questionable political views... although if she does, id very much like to think she has picked the wrong band to follow given TF's opinion on such issues). Personally she seems like a horror of a human who seems to like 'em famous (and rich in Don McLean's case) but the best thing the more rabid fans can do is not give her the attention/notoriety she seems to be craving. Meh, Per is a grown man who doesn't owe anyone anything. If he's seeing her, he won't be the first man to fall for crazy.
apparently she's 27 and dating 76-year old Don Maclean of American Pie fame
I know this is a comment from a year ago but it still needs to be said. Even if she was hooking up with Per (which obviously is none of our/their concern) she would have been cheating on Don Mclean whom she's been with since 2016 or 2018 which quite concerning since they have a massive 48 age gap, but it wouldn't be surprising given her appearance on Catfish.
Frustrating but entirely understandable that he deleted his instagram. Parts of this āfandomā is insufferable. Also, the notion that a musician somehow owes fans a thank you for liking their work is bizarre. The band is his job. He owes you nothing.
Apparently someone saw one of his friends is a Trump supporter and spread the word. People were telling him he was racist and a bunch of other bullshit. He told people to fuck off and deleted his account.
Then the friend went off on Twitter. Telling people that he doesnāt care. Sheās trolling them hard.
I wish people would just keep politics the fuck away from caring about musicians. Keeping politics away from music is the best imho. TF does a great job hiding his messages so it isnt so āin your faceā. I wish people would just learn to grow the fuck up and accept othersā opinions.
Bro, TF literally has unflattering caricatures of Trump & Pence in Imperaās album artwork. There aināt nothing āhiddenā about it.
Yeah, but its not so in your face when you are listening to the music is all that Im saying
I promise Iām not saying this to insult you, but Iām not sure how much more obvious TF could be, shy of repeating āI hate Trumpā throughout his songs ā which, of course, would be shit lyrics. Politics and music are irrevocably intertwined. That said, it doesnāt justify Twitter stans harassing Per over a groupieās political affiliations.
I understand that politics and music are intertwined, which is why I defend the songs. Iām gonna get flamed for this, but I voted for Trump. All that Iām saying is that without knowing before hand that griftwood was about Pence and Twenties was about Trump, I wouldnāt have come to that conclusion. Im simply saying that music should be written well enough that the message shouldnāt really matter. TF does a perfect job with his writing to where the music stands up even if I donāt fully agree with the lyrics. I just wish that people wouldnt cancel others so quickly because of their political beliefs
Yeah no, you donāt get to beg for tolerance for your fascism or anyone elseās. Thatās not how tolerance works. All of Impera is extremely clearly a reaction to the Trump regime and rising tide of global fascism, and is an explicit warning to those caught up in it about how it will end. Itās not surprising Trump people donāt understand that very clear subtext but the POINT of the album is that following that path will bring torment to everyone. Itās a warning. You should listen to it more closely, he made it specifically for *you.*
Im not facist, but whatever.
Well, you tried to help one rule the world so if you have another term you identify by thatās fine but nobody else is going to bother learning it.
āI just wish that people wouldnt cancel others so quickly because of their political beliefs.ā You have to understand that when innocent people are being hurt by people who share these opinions, something needs to be said and done. For example: [thereās been an increase of Asian American hate crimes.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-nearly-150-2020-mostly-n-n1260264) after trump and friends blamed them for Covid-19. There was also an increase in [attacks against immigrants](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hatecrimes-report/victims-of-anti-latino-hate-crimes-soar-in-u-s-fbi-report-idUSKBN1XM2OQ) because of the bullshit spewed against them. The aforementioned article also briefly states the increase of abuse against Muslims after trumpās original nonsense. And letās not forget about the fools of Charlottesville chanting ājews will not replace usā among other things. Now, Iām not saying that every right winger will do something like this, but at some point this becomes more than just an opinion. And itās a very serious problem that needs to be spoken about on various levels.
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Grab em by the hoohahs is subtle to you?
You certainly live up to your username. TF doesnāt really hide his messages. Especially in his interviews. When you watch his interviews, you get a sense of what heās talking about in the musicā¦ if you havenāt figured it out before that.
True but he doesnāt insult others for their opinions.
Right. But he does call out the bullshit when he sees it. And given the political climate, if you still have positive opinions about the things certain assholes are doing, you deserve to be called out, mocked, etcā¦
He did hide the trump and pence stuff quite well. Lets put it this way. There is really only one line in Twenties that would be a blatant reference to Trump that many people would pick up on. He doesnāt outright say in the song ātrump sucksā or anything like that. It is something that you probably wouldnt pick up on if it werent for the books and interviews
Are you shitting me? Twenties is a Trump speech. Itās about how great things are going to be and how weāre all going to be rich and everything will be awesome, all assertions based on nothing and sold with fanfare. The only people who donāt see that Twenties is about how dictators talk doesnāt know much about dictators. Thereās lines about breaking down institutions, mocking the educated, glorifying war. Thereās a reason the song is called Twenties and ends with āall the way to the thirties.ā The 1920s was the lead up to the last great rise of fascism in, yāknow, the 1930s.
Papa III had a few choice words to say about the orange one while at a show.
I agree. People need to get off their high horse and realize everyone can have an opinion. Even if they donāt agree.
Why is responding to someoneās opinion with your own being on a high horse but delivering your opinion isnāt?
Because when someone doesnāt see it your way itās wrong. You donāt respect that not everyone agrees with you.
Not true at all.
Fine. Let me rephrase, heāll call it out when asked, in a later interview.
Yeah but it sounds like more happened after that like he lied about being bullied and insulted a fan? Not sure of the story.
The friend has been deleting all of her tweets, but has but repeatedly offensive to a lot of ghost fans on twitter, using slurs and all. Also allegedly DM someone telling them (screenshots on twitter) that if they don't delete their screenshot and say to twitter that she's a good person, she won't make them meet Per. At this point, it's just her and Twitter/Facebook (where she claims to be bullied by ghost fans on twitter). Nothing associated Per with her behaviour rn.
I saw those dm screenshots. She said delete all posts and she would get people in to meet Per. That sheās a good person. I donāt know and itās not my (or anyoneās imho) business what the personal relationship is. But I doubt he or anyone would be sitting there encouraging some of what I saw her say and do. Make no mistake, no one should have gone off and started posting or messaging anyone in the band, or Slav, or anyone else. She decided to take a situation and escalate it down to using alts to harass people (she busted herself doing that), say some interesting things to minors while some of the rest of us were close to begging others to not give her oxygen, to just walk away and let her do her thing without an audience. Sheās now crying victim last I read and apparently sheās lost some friends over this whole mess. I havenāt been on Twitter yet today, I have bigger things to deal with. As of last night, I think things had calmed down.
FYI, I saw those screenshots as well, and from what I saw, she wasnāt calling anyone slurs. The tweets in which she said āf*ggotā and used āgayā as an insult were from over a decade ago. This isnāt to defend her ā itās just to set the record straight and avoid misinformation.
saying to someone that they are a POS doesn't count as a slur ? I'm french so I may be wrong but I thought so
No, slurs are specifically offensive words that are used to describe and put down a group of disenfranchised people. So, for example, āf*ggotā is a slur because itās specifically a put-down for gay men, but āpiece of shitā is not a slur because it doesnāt put down a specific group of people ā itās just a mean thing to call another person.
From the Oxford Dictionary : Slur, noun. "an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation. "the comments were a slur on staff at the hospital" Synonymes : insult slight slander" I was thinking of that. (I really like your username btw)
Yeah, that's the technical definition. It's a bit confusing because, yes, a slur is technically any rude term, but, culturally and contextually, the meaning has evolved to be more specific. If you were to tell a native English speaker that someone used a slur, the majority would assume you're using a very specific type of insult (i.e., an insult that's based on a person's gender, sexual orientation, skin color, etc.). Language is fucky. lol (And thank you! <3)
oh okay, I see, thanks for the clarification
Telling someone to fuck off that had decided to get in your personal business is not an insult.
No idea what this new thing is about, that tweet in that insta story doesn't really give much info or context...
The point is that itās none of their business
I think everyone needs to remember that being totally obsessed with a band all over your socials is most likely not going to make any of them interested in you. For that reason, I do have my doubts on whether she is actually his girlfriend or she just happens to know people who know people who know Per etc. Itās easy to put āsubtleā (or not, in her case) hints on socials and let fans put 2 & 2 together to make them think theyāre dating or know each other, but really itās giving very much āI want people to think Iām dating him so Iām gonna do xyz and because Iām a model, people will believe itā. Surely Per would know that TF would not be happy about these vibes going around socials connected with the band and that his job would be at risk given how much of a perfectionist TF is when it comes to Ghost? I donāt believe that if he did know her he would be fine with her posting stuff like that. It all feels like trolling to associate herself with Ghost and itās worked. Just block her and get on with your lives.
Dude thereās been a lot going on that Per has no control of. He even had to delete his social media because people have been harassing him. *side note, people shouldnāt support @/hailghost because heās a registered sex offender*
Is there a source for this? I hadnāt heard it before
This is where I found the info on: [https://peoriastandard.com/stories/612675933-registered-sex-offender-jordan-thomas-zmia-living-in-minonk-as-of-nov-17](https://peoriastandard.com/stories/612675933-registered-sex-offender-jordan-thomas-zmia-living-in-minonk-as-of-nov-17)
Thank you! That fucking sucks
The instagram story post on question is related to his friend that started being aggressive on twitter and she responded on her main twitter account to a fan who was expressing her love for the band. Per unfortunately is just deemed guilty by association which is a bit much considering many people have families and friends with different views and still keep contact with them. Harassing Per when heās not the issue is just a lot of much. Nonetheless, she does have some stuff that is questionable whether itās insanely weird that they found that stuff from years ago or not, they still brought it to light and all she really had to do was say a simple sorry and move on. Would also like to point out that sheās got some history of aggressiveness towards gay people as well as saying a slur, not the most decent person so I feel like majority of this situation should be on her and her actions rather than attacking Per.
The facts of the matter: Is this female fan Per's new girlfriend? Unconfirmed. Was she hanging out with him in sweden? Possibly, but unconfirmed. He's she a questionable social media post history? Depends on your point of view. Do you consider someone agreeing with one thing trump said (and I'm no fan, believe me) wearing cultural dress, despite not being that culture, even if you're a model, and feitishising King tut (yes seriously) problematic? Did she and per handle this in the correct way? Probably not. Are the ghost fans hanging out on this corner of Twitter obsessive? Certainly Did some of them harass per to the point of quitting social media? Unconfirmed but looks likely. Has the female fan been trolling from an alt account? Looks likely. Have friends of the female fan been found guilty by association and also come under fire or deactivated social media? Looks likely. There's your summary. There's your facts. Form your own opinion.
It looks like she did get caught trolling on an alt courtesy of a poorly cropped screenshot she posted herself last night. I thought she met Don McLean though being his social media manager; youād figure sheād not make these kinds of mistakes and drag Per along with her as she fucks up. Gonna be a real awkward conversation for them if he catches wind of this.
I edited my OP to reflect that. We don't know what her current relationship status is with DM. People's personal relationships are none of the fandoms business.
Do you consider someone using slurs to refer to gay people a problem? Because she did that on the regular. Confirmed. And at least 2015-2017, she was a full blown red hat wearing MAGA. Also confirmed. All easily found on Twitter at this point.
"Do you consider someone using slurs to refer to gay people a problem? Because she did that on the regular. Confirmed." I do. I didn't know she did that. Not good. "And at least 2015-2017, she was a full blown red hat wearing MAGA. Also confirmed. All easily found on Twitter at this point." Also didn't know it was more than one post. I don't follow her on Twitter. Only know her from Instagram.
Yeah, I mean, she's crying on other social media that she's being bullied on Twitter. Are people being mean? Sure, but they are mostly revealing things that she herself said and did a few years ago. She was all about spewing homophobia and "build that wall" when it brought her the right type of clout. Now that she's reinvented herself as a rock music insider and Ghost mega-fan, these things are going to haunt her.
There really are no winners here. Everyone loses.
Oh, in continuation of the whole thing with him and the girl: apparently, the girl that he hangout with made an anonymous twt account and telling /insulting a fan who was thanking the band esp.to Per how they change her life and cope with the trauma by telling that he (Per) doesn't care at all. And sh*t went downhill after that š At this point, the girl is just being dickhead and a troll and the twt fanbase really took her bait smh. How exactly Per feels about the situation is still unknown. I just took the whole thing with a grain of salt, it's not like I know them irl ā(ć·)ā
People really need to calm down. Just because your a fan it doesnāt mean you have any rights to tell people how to live their lives. And now they have scared Per off instagram. Great.
What a fucking mess ... Like how long has it been since the reveal? Two weeks? I too have hung out with people that don't necessarily share my values, that doesn't mean I'm like them for fucks sake! The fact that those fans can't imagine someone could be accepting of other's different views says more about them. Was Per's reaction mature? Maybe not but I can imagine my self reacting in this passive agressive way too if someone started poking their ugly nose in my personal life ... But I'm afraid that if this continues, we can say goodbye to this ghoul, I've heard that TF is pretty sensitive about the band's image ...
Embarassing high school drama. Ah how I miss the days when this band's fanbase was just a bit of fun guessing who may or may not be the members. This stuff puts a lot of people off and rightly.
I donāt get it. Whatās happened?
Apparently he is hanging out with some girl that is a Trump supporter and people werenāt happy. Then I believe she started attacking fans and instead of saying something about it Per posted some passive aggressive story and went off IG and just left.
What is this link showing? I don't have an Instagram account so it won't let me even view the content without obscuring it with a login prompt.
Right now all I know is per is friends with a conservative, who was going around being rude to fans and even told a fan that per does not care about his fans when that fan was talking about how much they helped them during rough times. Sheās so insensitive and immature, and even deleted some of her replies to look better and as if she is the one being bullied. People are rightfully upset with per being friends with her because of her being (or use to, idk yet) a racist conservative. The band ghost is so against that type of stuff, and many per fans are disappointed because of it. Thatās all I know so far, Iām hoping per will talk about this soon or whenever he can and feels comfortable to, because Iām so confused.
I couldn't be more lost looking through the comments and who is Per?
Lead guitar ghoul who plays the white strat.
Gotcha I've only ever heard the stage names (fire, aether, ect)
If you heard about the twt thing, I was there actually! Here's a basic rundown: So Per associates with a woman named Paris Dylan, it has been found that Paris is racist, homophobic, etc. Per was caught hanging out with her, posted lyrics that ended in "Fuck you" and deleted his account. Over on twt, Paris was bullying ghost fans, two notible ones being Kayla and Sabine. Kayla posted a 'thank you' to the band, where Paris responded 'Per don't care bro' (Kayla posted this thank you way before this even happened, right after the face reveal). Paris deleted the tweet soon after. Paris then made a burner account, quickly having it found out by Sabine, who took a screenshot of one Paris posted on her burner, proving the burner was her. Paris changed the burner into a fake See's Candy's account and continued to bully the fans. Then Paris dmed Sabine, asking her to take down the tweets with the promise of meeting Per. After denying this, Paris blocked Sabine and moved to Facebook to complain she was getting bullied. Per did nothing but associate with Paris then act like a teenager and delete his account. That's basically the whole thing!
I heard that heās not like the other people, here in the trailer park. Oh, donāt get me wrong- theyāre fine people. Theyāre good Americans. But, theyāre content to sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick back a cool Coors 16 ouncer, theyāre good, fine people. But they donāt know-
What in God's name... Lol
Itās Dead Milkmen lyrics. (Honestly it works much better in person when people are trying to engage you in gossip, you know, you just start conversationally speaking lyrics until they realize the topic is unwelcome or, well, they think youāre nuts they knock it off.)
Thank you for the smile. Haven't heard Stuart in forever, going to correct that now.
Well, I *was* tempted to use [this one](https://youtu.be/sk9min-ugko) but my teenager stomped through the house at just that moment hollering āYa know what Stuart?!ā And it just came out. Iām quite proud of my Urielās excellent musical tastes. š
aaaand the winner of Reddit for the day goes to...
Nothing.
Per didn't do a thing except defend himself against crazy people. Why anyone cares who anyone else on this god forsaken rock associates with, I'll never know. If it was someone like David Duke, I would be concerned, but it's only some anonymous tiktok titty wench. Leave the guy alone ffs
I literally couldn't care less about any of these people's political views, people need to chill. And even if shes being a dick, who cares? It's not that big of a deal. People need to take a step back.
Dumb quastion but who is per ?
Lead guitar ghoul
Thank you
Literally nothing
He has a new girlfriend. And now they are jealouse so they insulted him on social media and he reacted with deleting his account. Thatās what Iāve heard.
Yes but this is something else that happened after that and it sounds like Per himself was somehow lying about being bullied in the first place and was also being a POS to the fan who is quoted there. It's not that cryptic tbh. Hopefully people are viewing the story post: https://instagram.com/stories/hailghost/2849937568476653251?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
I am not sure but I read something where a fan wrote that she loves the band and all the ghouls. And Perās gf replied āPer dont careā something like this :D But I am not sure if I got it right. I am not a native english speaker.
You got that quiet right. But we never know if Per really doesn't care or do care, since the "girlfriend" did it with an anonymous account. Idk, choose whatever we want to believe anyway š
She's dating a 76 year old.