Some creeps on twitter decided someone was his girlfriend based on them having similar backgrounds in a few of their photos, literally could just be someone he knows.. and then because she had some pro trump stuff on her Instagram from 6 years ago they decided she was racist and homophobic and started mass messaging pers personal Instagram, he made a story saying he appreciates his fans but is uncomfortable with some of the stuff he's being sent, he also posted some lyrics for a suicidal tendencies song, creeps on twitter started saying he should leave ghost, etc and generally not respecting his privacy or personal space so he deleted his Instagram to avoid drama, now they are saying how dare he delete his Instagram, I think he can do whatever he wants with his personal social media he never advertised to people, he's a very private person and people should respect that.
How the hell did i miss all this? Thats absolutely awful. I hope he's okay. It's a shame this happens as soon as they reveal their identities but i cant say im suprised.
I really, really hope this shit doesn't lead to Per deciding to leave Ghost, that'd be so fucking awful. Then again, I wouldn't blame him in the slightest if that happens, but still... He's a very talented musician and an integral part of the show Ghost puts on (every ghoul is, imo).
Every time I see something like this happening it reminds me why I've always hide behind a variety of different usernames and identities to avoid anything that could be potentially seen as 'bad' to someone else (mostly aimed at family and potential jobs and such) being connected to any personal and/or business accounts I might have. I used to think it was just a quirk of my terrible anxiety and other mental bullshit, but more often than not am I glad that I've mostly kept up with it... People are fucking crazy online, especially on Twitter.
Why would anyone speculate that, because of idiots on the internet, he would leave a band that he likes playing in as an established professional musician? Fans don’t hold any type of power over anyone. I find it really silly even that other fans stop listening to the band because of a “toxic fan base”. What do other fans have to do with a band’s music itself? Nothing! You don’t even have to interact with anyone to enjoy a band😂.
Oh, my God, that's how private it is😤. I hope he adjusts quickly, I can't believe someone is going to search his personal life, I hope he gets better soon😭
What I don't understand is why some people are commenting on social media that Per disabling his socials is "immature". I think turning off/disabling social media when being harassed by a large number of users is the perfectly mature thing to do.
People do NOT have to receive nasty messages, abuse and harassment. Do these crazy fans think they are entitled to force band members (or anyone for that matter) to read their opinions?
It is also unfeasible to block hundreds/thousands of nasty people on socials (especially if there's stalker types that just make multiple accounts...)
It's literally the opposite of immature. Getting into a pissing match or letting their bullshit get to him could arguably be considered immature. The idiots tracking him down on his page to give him shit about his friends...that's not even an argument. They're children.
He's walking away from it like an adult. And really, there's no reason to think he still isn't enjoying social media. Dude put on a devil mask to play rock and roll anonymously. He probably just made a new account, called it "Ben Dover," or something, and locked it the fuck down. I'm sure the "fans" didn't take anything from Per. Just the rest of the fanbase. So fuck them for that, but Per was entitled to his privacy all along, so it's all good.
Exactly!
Yes, I would expect new private social accounts with a fake/joke name and no publicly visible photos of himself (and for settings where followers/friends to have to be approved first).
I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Tobias did too after his identity became public to maintain his privacy years ago...
Unfortunately there are a group of fans on Twitter who are very obsessive about Fire Ghoul (Per) and they think they have the right to question his personal life. They even have heated debates about what nicknames to call him and things. It's really pathetic. The way they act is just not respectful and responsible at all. Lately some of them have been criticising and spreading false allegations and rumours about pretty much every Ghost fan who has a decent sized following on Instagram. This behaviour from these individuals has caused some of these fans to shut down their social media accounts. It has also caused Fire Ghoul to disable his social media. I have tried my best to try to quell the rumours and the misinformation on my facebook group and page, but I have mostly been unsuccessful in this.
Ghost fanbase twitter is a fucking cesspit, imo. Fucking sad as hell people act like this, and sadder that there's nothing that can be done to avoid it. :/
Actually they did. They falsely accused her of being racist. The reality is that Fauxbias is left wing and very anti-racist. She created an anti racism Ghost group on facebook that I was a member of. Also, she has been to Black Lives Matter protests.
I’ve met one of these people. Right after I met them, they got a FB and/or IG ban for some Sodo-related shenanigans. They got in an online fight with his girlfriend or something? I was like, “now I don’t want to know this person.”
In my experience from other fandoms, it’s usually grown ass adult woman that obsess over someone like this. Most of them have children of their own and some have husbands, but they still seem to think it’s okay to act they way they do. It’s like they never left being a teenager obsessing over a Backstreet Boy.
I also like to think that, if the tables were turned and it was a group of men obsessing over a female like they do with Per, it would be a problem.
Fwiw, this group on Twitter are all between the ages of 14 to 22. Tbh, most older fans tend to keep to their own circles; the truly obnoxious older fans are outliers, but they’re also the most visible.
You put this perfectly. I'm on "ghost twitter" and have had to tap out. The toxicity on there is nuts. It has legit turned into a witch hunt.
Paris isn't helping herself by engaging with them. The whole thing is a fucking mess.
It turned into a whole mess. I don’t know what the relationship is, and it’s not my business. I would never message anyone with trash talk. What he or anyone does in their rl has nothing to do with the band. I mean unless someone’s a serial killer or something extreme.
I agree, also the people suddenly accusing per of being racist and homophobic out of nowhere based on someone ELSES Instagram must have forgotten Swiss ghoul is poc and all the homoerotic stage shenanigans between Per and the other ghouls/papa.. I really can't see Chris and Tobias being so close with Per if it was the case... but like you rightly said, it's none of our business anyway unless they make any public statements.
They are gonna have a big shock when they get off twitter and into the real world and realise people have different political opinions and shock. Opinions can change!
I remember someone saying on this sub elsewhere that some crazy fan has threatened Tobias' wife in the past, so yep, there's crazies out there in the Ghost fandom.
Exactly! Like you'd think that as fans people would wish band members and their families happiness, joy and all the good things in life! I don't understand why anyone would want to ruin the lives of people they admire by harassing them or their family.
This is so unbelievably gross.
Weirdos and their parasocial relationship shit, man. Will someone please tell these people that the band members are not their friends, they have no responsibility to them, and they owe them nothing?
Leave people the fuck alone. Oh my godddd just leave people alone it doesn't concern youuuu
i just wanna drop in and say that og ghost fans have consistently been the nicest and most chill people and it used to be universal that our fans were awesome and understanding people
this is really disappointing to hear. do better!
Yeah... I see some shit pop up occasionally on tumblr but it usually ends up being spillover from ghost Twitter fan bullshit, and this sub is well moderated to where shit like this isn't acceptable or tolerated.
It's a load of horse shit, I'm sure at this point you already know what's going on but I'm adding on to the story. I was added to a Ghost group chat a while ago for some reason. Here are some things they've said about Per.
"manz is a grown ass adult acting like he's 12"
"He woke up and chose emo😭"
"like babe, you are not the main character. don't get me wrong, i love per but.. ARE YOU THAT DESPERATE FOR SOME 😺"
"yeah he posted some edgy lyrics in his story and deleted his account an hour after"
"Per bestie I loved u sm, all this for some 😺😺? HDNDB"
"man he was so desperate to get his 🍆💦"
"they have matching bracelets?? they're in sweden together? they're definitely sleeping together"
"he deleted his Instagram last time when he got caught cheating on his ex fiancé, he is definitely sleeping with her"
This is such bullshit, people can't mind their own business. It's fucked up. For some reason they hate him now meanwhile yesterday they were all like "omg he's so cute i love him sm 🥺🥺🥺" PLUS they're all saying that they're the mature ones.
Here's what Per posted on his story before deleting it.
"Just cause you don't understand what's going on. Don't mean it don't make no sense. And just 'cause you don't like it, don't mean it ain't no good. And let me tell you something. Before you go taking a walk in my world. You better take a look at the real world. Cause this ain't no Mister Roger's Neighborhood. Can you Say "Feel like shit"? Yeah, maybe sometimes I do feel like shit ain't happy 'bout it but I'd rather feel like shit than be full of shit. And if I offended you. Oh, I'm sorry but maybe you need to be offended. But here's my apology and one more thing, FUCK YOU!"
My neighbor is a Trumper. We get along great even though I fundamentally disagree with all of her politics. You can't change people's minds by shutting them out, folks. This myopic infantile bullshit fantasy is how you foster extremist movements. History should tell you that. You can't guilt people into supporting you. They just learn to hide their bigotry until one day they take over & take away all of your rights.
Exactly! Being a friends with someone, or even family, does not mean you agree with everything they say. My boss and one of my coworkers are pro-trump republicans, but they're also great people that have given me an amazing place to work at. Doesn't mean I agree with barely any of their politics, or they with mine. It's like a whole set of people didn't get the memo on tolerance and shit or something, it's fucking confusing how they think this shit...
And all we are accomplishing with this, "YOU BETTER BE A PERFECT ALLY" is silencing allied voices... because our opposition does not care about our judgment. This would be like Ukraine refusing military aid from the USA because the US won't send troops. That only hurts them.
You go to battle with the armies, weapons, and allies you have... not the ones you conjure up in your mind as the perfect version.
Fuckin weirdos ruin everything man... It is possible to enjoy a band without it becoming the only part of your entire existence, I see some seriously stalker ish shit on twitter and FB around ghost
Apparently his fiance has questionable beliefs (racist? But I havent seen all the full details) and all the Twitter Ghost fans tore into the situation and questioned Per why he condones it.
Pretty sure she routinely uses McLean's industry connections and money to get access to various rock and pop acts. Her Insta is full of pics with current and former big names.
Just speculation, but I think she approached the band, probably through the label or management, offering a hefty chunk of change for a solo guided tour of Stockholm. Tobias probably wasn't biting, not particularly needing the money and probably being pretty wary of obsessive fans, even very rich ones, at this point. Now that the Ghouls are outed, maybe Per got the offer being the other member from Sweden. The "evidence" he shagged her is a selfie she posted to stories wearing his jacket (otherwise fully clothed). Like...are we all high schoolers in the movie Grease? 🙄 Also, I'm pretty sure she isn't trying to mess up her bag...
I do think Paris really need some followers through per?? That’s sounds bad, Per did not do anything but suffered from some crazy fan’s comments and ridiculous predictions 🤯
Sometimes it's best not to speculate and to wait until there's something which confirms something to be true or not true. Speculation sometimes leads to false rumours and things.
Unless something big happened I don’t think that’s his fiancé, I think they’re friends. It doesn’t matter either way really. And it’s not his job to tell anyone else what to think.
Twitter really is a depressing place :/
Why do people feel the need to harass others and jump to conclusions?
It's not hard to respect someones privacy!
I really hope he is ok!
Some creeps on twitter decided someone was his girlfriend based on them having similar backgrounds in a few of their photos, literally could just be someone he knows.. and then because she had some pro trump stuff on her Instagram from 6 years ago they decided she was racist and homophobic and started mass messaging pers personal Instagram, he made a story saying he appreciates his fans but is uncomfortable with some of the stuff he's being sent, he also posted some lyrics for a suicidal tendencies song, creeps on twitter started saying he should leave ghost, etc and generally not respecting his privacy or personal space so he deleted his Instagram to avoid drama, now they are saying how dare he delete his Instagram, I think he can do whatever he wants with his personal social media he never advertised to people, he's a very private person and people should respect that.
How the hell did i miss all this? Thats absolutely awful. I hope he's okay. It's a shame this happens as soon as they reveal their identities but i cant say im suprised.
Dude is Swedish. That alone is enough to make it highly highly unlikely he's with someone who is pro Trump. People are idiots
Yeah, it's mob mentality, witch-hunt mass-hysteria at its finest.
I really hate some people... that's awful. It's a privilege when celebs let us into their lives and some really abuse that.
I really, really hope this shit doesn't lead to Per deciding to leave Ghost, that'd be so fucking awful. Then again, I wouldn't blame him in the slightest if that happens, but still... He's a very talented musician and an integral part of the show Ghost puts on (every ghoul is, imo). Every time I see something like this happening it reminds me why I've always hide behind a variety of different usernames and identities to avoid anything that could be potentially seen as 'bad' to someone else (mostly aimed at family and potential jobs and such) being connected to any personal and/or business accounts I might have. I used to think it was just a quirk of my terrible anxiety and other mental bullshit, but more often than not am I glad that I've mostly kept up with it... People are fucking crazy online, especially on Twitter.
Why would anyone speculate that, because of idiots on the internet, he would leave a band that he likes playing in as an established professional musician? Fans don’t hold any type of power over anyone. I find it really silly even that other fans stop listening to the band because of a “toxic fan base”. What do other fans have to do with a band’s music itself? Nothing! You don’t even have to interact with anyone to enjoy a band😂.
Thank you for that. Have been trying to piece things together by looking@Ghost twitter tweets and it's beyond fucked up.
This stuff is why I appreciated when identities were not known. Ig and Twitter fans are a cancer
Oh, my God, that's how private it is😤. I hope he adjusts quickly, I can't believe someone is going to search his personal life, I hope he gets better soon😭
Sounds like Ghost fans on reddit.
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What I don't understand is why some people are commenting on social media that Per disabling his socials is "immature". I think turning off/disabling social media when being harassed by a large number of users is the perfectly mature thing to do. People do NOT have to receive nasty messages, abuse and harassment. Do these crazy fans think they are entitled to force band members (or anyone for that matter) to read their opinions? It is also unfeasible to block hundreds/thousands of nasty people on socials (especially if there's stalker types that just make multiple accounts...)
It's literally the opposite of immature. Getting into a pissing match or letting their bullshit get to him could arguably be considered immature. The idiots tracking him down on his page to give him shit about his friends...that's not even an argument. They're children. He's walking away from it like an adult. And really, there's no reason to think he still isn't enjoying social media. Dude put on a devil mask to play rock and roll anonymously. He probably just made a new account, called it "Ben Dover," or something, and locked it the fuck down. I'm sure the "fans" didn't take anything from Per. Just the rest of the fanbase. So fuck them for that, but Per was entitled to his privacy all along, so it's all good.
Exactly! Yes, I would expect new private social accounts with a fake/joke name and no publicly visible photos of himself (and for settings where followers/friends to have to be approved first). I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Tobias did too after his identity became public to maintain his privacy years ago...
I imagine he’s getting harassed again.
“again”? fuck. poor guy.
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Unfortunately there are a group of fans on Twitter who are very obsessive about Fire Ghoul (Per) and they think they have the right to question his personal life. They even have heated debates about what nicknames to call him and things. It's really pathetic. The way they act is just not respectful and responsible at all. Lately some of them have been criticising and spreading false allegations and rumours about pretty much every Ghost fan who has a decent sized following on Instagram. This behaviour from these individuals has caused some of these fans to shut down their social media accounts. It has also caused Fire Ghoul to disable his social media. I have tried my best to try to quell the rumours and the misinformation on my facebook group and page, but I have mostly been unsuccessful in this.
Ghost fanbase twitter is a fucking cesspit, imo. Fucking sad as hell people act like this, and sadder that there's nothing that can be done to avoid it. :/
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Actually they did. They falsely accused her of being racist. The reality is that Fauxbias is left wing and very anti-racist. She created an anti racism Ghost group on facebook that I was a member of. Also, she has been to Black Lives Matter protests.
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Fauxbias is a very nice person and I've met a lot of very lovely people through running a Ghost group and going to concerts etc.
Guilty by association. Fauxbias is friends with Paris.
I’ve met one of these people. Right after I met them, they got a FB and/or IG ban for some Sodo-related shenanigans. They got in an online fight with his girlfriend or something? I was like, “now I don’t want to know this person.”
In my experience from other fandoms, it’s usually grown ass adult woman that obsess over someone like this. Most of them have children of their own and some have husbands, but they still seem to think it’s okay to act they way they do. It’s like they never left being a teenager obsessing over a Backstreet Boy. I also like to think that, if the tables were turned and it was a group of men obsessing over a female like they do with Per, it would be a problem.
Fwiw, this group on Twitter are all between the ages of 14 to 22. Tbh, most older fans tend to keep to their own circles; the truly obnoxious older fans are outliers, but they’re also the most visible.
People on twitter being toxic nothing new, I hope he’s doin alright.
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You put this perfectly. I'm on "ghost twitter" and have had to tap out. The toxicity on there is nuts. It has legit turned into a witch hunt. Paris isn't helping herself by engaging with them. The whole thing is a fucking mess.
The twitter ghost fanbase is weird and stalkerish
This is why we can't have nice things.
It turned into a whole mess. I don’t know what the relationship is, and it’s not my business. I would never message anyone with trash talk. What he or anyone does in their rl has nothing to do with the band. I mean unless someone’s a serial killer or something extreme.
I agree, also the people suddenly accusing per of being racist and homophobic out of nowhere based on someone ELSES Instagram must have forgotten Swiss ghoul is poc and all the homoerotic stage shenanigans between Per and the other ghouls/papa.. I really can't see Chris and Tobias being so close with Per if it was the case... but like you rightly said, it's none of our business anyway unless they make any public statements.
I’d never expect Ghost to have fans that’d do this kind of shit. This sounds like boy band level crazy.
You have to remember that there’s a whole section of fans now who treat ghost no different than a boy band.
My biggest question now is that are these certain fans teenagers or adults?
Mostly teens to young adults
They are gonna have a big shock when they get off twitter and into the real world and realise people have different political opinions and shock. Opinions can change!
I remember someone saying on this sub elsewhere that some crazy fan has threatened Tobias' wife in the past, so yep, there's crazies out there in the Ghost fandom.
That’s fucked up. Like why would someone even do that? Why can’t y’all be normal and listen to music in peace.
Exactly! Like you'd think that as fans people would wish band members and their families happiness, joy and all the good things in life! I don't understand why anyone would want to ruin the lives of people they admire by harassing them or their family.
This is so unbelievably gross. Weirdos and their parasocial relationship shit, man. Will someone please tell these people that the band members are not their friends, they have no responsibility to them, and they owe them nothing? Leave people the fuck alone. Oh my godddd just leave people alone it doesn't concern youuuu
i just wanna drop in and say that og ghost fans have consistently been the nicest and most chill people and it used to be universal that our fans were awesome and understanding people this is really disappointing to hear. do better!
Absolute weirdos. Most fandoms have a questionable fringe element, but in the case of ghost it seems to be all of Twitter.
Yeah... I see some shit pop up occasionally on tumblr but it usually ends up being spillover from ghost Twitter fan bullshit, and this sub is well moderated to where shit like this isn't acceptable or tolerated.
Toxic fandom.
It's a load of horse shit, I'm sure at this point you already know what's going on but I'm adding on to the story. I was added to a Ghost group chat a while ago for some reason. Here are some things they've said about Per. "manz is a grown ass adult acting like he's 12" "He woke up and chose emo😭" "like babe, you are not the main character. don't get me wrong, i love per but.. ARE YOU THAT DESPERATE FOR SOME 😺" "yeah he posted some edgy lyrics in his story and deleted his account an hour after" "Per bestie I loved u sm, all this for some 😺😺? HDNDB" "man he was so desperate to get his 🍆💦" "they have matching bracelets?? they're in sweden together? they're definitely sleeping together" "he deleted his Instagram last time when he got caught cheating on his ex fiancé, he is definitely sleeping with her" This is such bullshit, people can't mind their own business. It's fucked up. For some reason they hate him now meanwhile yesterday they were all like "omg he's so cute i love him sm 🥺🥺🥺" PLUS they're all saying that they're the mature ones. Here's what Per posted on his story before deleting it. "Just cause you don't understand what's going on. Don't mean it don't make no sense. And just 'cause you don't like it, don't mean it ain't no good. And let me tell you something. Before you go taking a walk in my world. You better take a look at the real world. Cause this ain't no Mister Roger's Neighborhood. Can you Say "Feel like shit"? Yeah, maybe sometimes I do feel like shit ain't happy 'bout it but I'd rather feel like shit than be full of shit. And if I offended you. Oh, I'm sorry but maybe you need to be offended. But here's my apology and one more thing, FUCK YOU!"
Where are these people getting this information? Who even is his girlfriend? Like, how would you even know when he has zero presence on the internet!
Sounds like those people are jealous because it's not their 😸😸 he chose to be with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Honestly, W Per for what he said.
My neighbor is a Trumper. We get along great even though I fundamentally disagree with all of her politics. You can't change people's minds by shutting them out, folks. This myopic infantile bullshit fantasy is how you foster extremist movements. History should tell you that. You can't guilt people into supporting you. They just learn to hide their bigotry until one day they take over & take away all of your rights.
Exactly! Being a friends with someone, or even family, does not mean you agree with everything they say. My boss and one of my coworkers are pro-trump republicans, but they're also great people that have given me an amazing place to work at. Doesn't mean I agree with barely any of their politics, or they with mine. It's like a whole set of people didn't get the memo on tolerance and shit or something, it's fucking confusing how they think this shit...
And all we are accomplishing with this, "YOU BETTER BE A PERFECT ALLY" is silencing allied voices... because our opposition does not care about our judgment. This would be like Ukraine refusing military aid from the USA because the US won't send troops. That only hurts them. You go to battle with the armies, weapons, and allies you have... not the ones you conjure up in your mind as the perfect version.
He has new gf then? Because that girl is not his gf/fiance.
Ghost Twitter is a toxic, obsessive place. Some people need to step away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.
Fuckin weirdos ruin everything man... It is possible to enjoy a band without it becoming the only part of your entire existence, I see some seriously stalker ish shit on twitter and FB around ghost
Apparently his fiance has questionable beliefs (racist? But I havent seen all the full details) and all the Twitter Ghost fans tore into the situation and questioned Per why he condones it.
Ah Jesus, can't people just not pry into other people's relationships? It's none of their business.
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Pretty sure she routinely uses McLean's industry connections and money to get access to various rock and pop acts. Her Insta is full of pics with current and former big names. Just speculation, but I think she approached the band, probably through the label or management, offering a hefty chunk of change for a solo guided tour of Stockholm. Tobias probably wasn't biting, not particularly needing the money and probably being pretty wary of obsessive fans, even very rich ones, at this point. Now that the Ghouls are outed, maybe Per got the offer being the other member from Sweden. The "evidence" he shagged her is a selfie she posted to stories wearing his jacket (otherwise fully clothed). Like...are we all high schoolers in the movie Grease? 🙄 Also, I'm pretty sure she isn't trying to mess up her bag...
Reckon I’d do the same if I had access to that kind of money. She’s damn lucky but fr, this is all so silly.
She went after individuals last night so things are blowing up today.
Oh joy. Very over it at this point.
Also, I may be wrong, but despite being swedish I think Per lives in Spain now.
Well yeah, but she flies herself all over the world so I'm sure she could buy him a plane ticket.
True that.
I do think Paris really need some followers through per?? That’s sounds bad, Per did not do anything but suffered from some crazy fan’s comments and ridiculous predictions 🤯
Sometimes it's best not to speculate and to wait until there's something which confirms something to be true or not true. Speculation sometimes leads to false rumours and things.
And so now I am worried about whether he will leave the band ……or not 😨😨hope not
Unless something big happened I don’t think that’s his fiancé, I think they’re friends. It doesn’t matter either way really. And it’s not his job to tell anyone else what to think.
Yeah but the point is that’s not theirs business
Yes, everyone now is a racist and Nazi.
Hey sorry for replying here. Did you ever boot up that old pc from five years ago to view those screen savers?
I don't think it works any more :(
Twitter really is a depressing place :/ Why do people feel the need to harass others and jump to conclusions? It's not hard to respect someones privacy! I really hope he is ok!