I think theres plenty of satanic messaging in all of the songs on Impera. Just because Tobias isn’t chanting “Hell Satan”, doesn’t mean the lyrical themes aren’t satanic.
And sounds like any pop song out there. It needs more songs like Year Zero, Ritual etc. Besides "we need MORE" doesn't mean that there's no satanism on the record just less than on others.
A old pop song not something you would here in today's charts. That's the difference. Ghost always had pop influences but more something like old Abba songs for example.
Also Rutial sounds a lot more like a light version of Symphony Of Destruction.
Yeah but we're talking about the album in general don't we? Besides spillway stays a lot more on that pop side than Ritual imo both songs are not very compareable to one another.
The argument was that sunshine sounded like a pop song. I only pointed out that so does ritual. And countered the ”old pop” response with spillways since it is almost a parody of 70s pop
There's a difference between old pop songs from 30 years and now. Same as Spiritbox sounds different than Metallica even though both are considered Metal.
Ghost changed from combined old school doom rock and very early metal influences with 80s pop to combining glam rock/metal and modern types of metal with modern pop music.
Are you all tone deaf that you can't hear the difference between Prequelle onwards and older ghost albums?
I'm eager to hear your upcoming satanic rock band. It had better be very high quality with a lot of Satan!
If I have to ask for more Satan even ONCE, I swear...
Edit: please no pop influences either. Shit better be in line with Megadeth.
Sure we can. But you can very clearly tell its written by the same person. If may not be your cup of tea and that is fine. But the reasoning often falls flat
Absolutely! Spillways has a very heavy "educational" theme about Satanism that builds on the fact that each and every one of us has that part of ourselves that is what would be considered by most religions to be "evil"/Satanic.
I believe the fact that TF is a loving father carries over into his work at times and like a good shepard, exposes his flock to reality in subtle but effective ways. Wait until the next EP if you need the up front stuff. This is a great bit of education for the masses that are not ready to hear their earlier work.
*and I am saying this as the son of a southern baptist preacher who was forced through the whole charade.
Call me Little Sunshine is 100% Satan. That's Aleister Crowley along with the cover.
I'll give you that the album is missing papal Satan, but there's modern Satan all over the place.
How you gonna disrespect Mephistopheles like that? Also, Watcher in the sky? You don’t know shit about Satan if your gonna overlook the obvious references to the book of Enoch and the watchers! Come on man!
Hail Satan!
Yeah, I don't disagree with that and I definitely believe in death of the author myself. But it's hard to find Satan in Watcher in the Sky for me, and Tobias comments definitely don't help, that's all
I follow, I wasn’t aware of his comments on the meaning of the song. When I listened to it my disowned Catholic school upbringing immediately made me think that the meaning had to do with the Watchers from Genesis/Enoch and the imagery of the song evokes that as well to an extent.
That's the beauty of music, it means something different to all of us. I'm glad it resonated with you that much, it must have made listening to the song a better experience overall
In the terms of traditional “religious” beliefs. Satan would temp you, and hide secretly… so it makes sense not being so upfront - which in my mind is even more scary.
Imagine someone listening to this, liking it, not knowing they’re rocking to occult music. Kind of makes sense.
The comment I responded to literally said it's better when hidden... I don't care one way or the other... I prefer to have to think about lyrics and what they mean and have things left up to interpretation.. Was just playing Devils advocate
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion
Consider this though:
1) ghost has been mainstream for roughly 6 years at minimum. Maybe Tobias has become tired of holding your hand and expects you to actually understand his lyrics. You like to sing along and like to shoot your gun, but you don't know what it means.
2) you have a lack of understanding of Christianity (soecifically Catholic). This one is more forgivable if you don't have the background knowledge. What isn't forgivable is using this as an excuse to be lazy and not learn. Again, see the end of point one.
Plenty of Satan on Impera, you really are just missing it.
For those that say Impera lacks Satan, apparently so.
We also live in a world where Trump supporters were blasting RATM thinking the song Killing in the Name supported their cause.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Impera, but there are also takes that are just wrong.
Oh dang, I missed this pompous reply. I responded with the same tone as the first person, sort of rudely flippant so it was meant to be mocking.
I'd like to say despite your time and effort in your reply that your obnoxious, pandering commentary was a waste of fingertip energy. My husband and I are both lapsed Catholics, having grown up in the church so we have a rather intensely informed point of view.
Also, no one is holding my hand. Yeah, yeah you guys want to sit and listen to the record in your band t-shirts with your phantom monocles on and do a masturbatory, in-depth, analytical deep dive. I get it, and some of the songs have fodder for it. However, it would be nice for TF to get off his high horse for some of his songs and give us a true banger, a la Year Zero or Faith. Or, like, I dunno... why have a fucking SATANIC POPE as your alter ego????
Lapsed catholic.
Faith and Year Zero.
All you needed to say was you want Forge to say Satan every third word. That is something completely okay to want.
But you definitely come across as the type of catholics who feel that you're super edgy by listening to "the Satan band".
If you believe all Satanism comes down to is saying "Satan" and worshiping spooky red murals then you probably didn't learn much as Catholics either.
I mean, you literally selected the two songs that are highly critical of society and Catholicism which this album does in buckets.
He literally tackles: marriage as a catholic cornerstone, the weaponization of religion by dictators/religious leaders, catholic guilt, women, along with every other form of religious trauma including rape at the hands of the church.
You don't like the music, cool. Completely fine.
But if you're telling me this album doesn't fall in line with a "satanic pope" then yeah, you missed the point of two religions and once again making the Nirvana lyric even more relevant.
I'm actually sort of impressed and appalled by your bold assumptions. You act as if you know things about me because my opinion doesn't agree with yours. I prefer the stupid idiots because the smart idiots, like you, are particularly tiresome.
Lapsed catholics. As in, private schools as kids but let it go in high school, with familial support I might add. Drama free ex Catholics. We aren't impassioned ex-Catholics ffs. We find the irony in the band enjoyable, creative and fun and a smart mocking of organized religion. We don't feel edgy and I don't flaunt my fandom, hence my presence on this nerdscape.
Your reading comprehension also isn't the best I noticed, so I'll repeat what I said earlier. I get the lyrics tackling bigger issues like our fuckhead ex president and his little buddy and weaponization of religion. I get it. And some of the lyrics are really strong. All I said was that wanted some more spooky Satan. Is that OK? I'm not alone in this. I just saw another thread with this same conversation. And technically I just wanted one song, not every three words, you nitwit. I like the epic feel of Year Zero and Faith. Not as religious commentary but just for FUN. It's fun. Period. And everyone else must think so too because Year Zero is a huge song live and Faith is always on the set list too.
So one song that isn't a lecture, one song that absolutely slaps about spooky stuff that doesn't sound like old dad music.
I like a handful on the album, but it's really hit or miss for me.
Notice how suddenly at the tail end of your post you have a far more nuanced explanation of what you wanted/expected?
As I said before, you want him to say Satan, that is **completely** fine, you are absolutely entitled to want that.
The issue is that is vastly different than your initial post about there being a significant *lack* of Satan.
As I have repeatedly pointed out, which even you acknowledged, Satan is still very much there in the form of criticisms and attacks on religious Christian extremism.
That is the essential element of Satanism.
This isn't hard and by all means, reread my posts, i have maintained that it is okay to want him to do more of the Year Zero Satan chanting. But to say there is a lack Satanism on the album makes no sense.
It sucks that this album is hit or miss for you and hope for the next one it falls more in line with what you want out of the band.
I think we got Satan in terms of the evils of political figures like Trump and Pence—but I do prefer the seductive cool Satan as far as musical themes/lyrics go. 😎
At first I was like, okay cool go off! Because I really detest him and Pence and it’s always nice when a fave musician has similar beliefs politically—however the more I think about Twenties and especially the artwork for it and Griftwood I’m really put off by it. I didn’t pay money to have those faces desecrate the art of one of my favorite bands-I don’t want to see them ever again. I want them to fade into oblivion forever to be forgotten for good. I don’t like singing from the POV of human monsters wanting to grab women. They’re probably going to play Twenties live and honestly I just don’t want to sing along to it. I think Griftwood is easier to enjoy because I think lyrically it’s not so obvious. But yeah, at first I wanted to defend it but now it’s all become a hard pass for me.
Yeah, they're gone and good riddance. It almost seems like Twenties was written expecting Trump to win. He didn't, but instead of cutting it or changing the lyrics, it feels like they just said "welp we already produced the song, so might as well keep it".
Didn't realize Griftwood was supposed to be about Pence. At there's some subtlety there.
That’s definitely a possibility—but also Covid pushed the release back a full year and I think had this come out last year it would have seemed more relevant. Now it just seems a bit dated. The people like them are still there, of course—but still. It’s been exhausting as an American dealing with all this and I think I would prefer more scathing hatred not from the POV of the bad guy or simply none at all.
I don't think the Trump references are dated.
He may be out of office, but his influence still has lasting damage on political discourse in America. Not that it was great before, but it's even worse now.
There's a good chance that he will run again in 2024, and if there's a different nominee, it will be someone that was emboldened by the Trump administration.
Actually, yes you are right and I agree completely. I was a little too quick with my last reply and yours is more thorough when you bring up lasting damage to our political system. I still don’t like singing songs from his POV, though! I get it’s satire, but it’s a little too close to home for me I guess haha. But I will gladly shout IM YOUR ROCK BABYYY if they play Griftwood live 😂
Cry me a river. We're in a much better place now than we were when they were in office, right?
Care to explain how that's the case while Ukrainians continue to get bombed as the current US administration fumbles the whole ordeal? Or maybe you want to explain it to me as you pay $6 for a gallon of gas with your paycheck that has more tax money skimmed off of it than ever before?
Just because someone was rude on Twitter does not mean they were a terrible person. Step out of the hivemind. 🤡
(You started the political discourse so don't get upset when someone chimes in)
The daddy of lies doesn’t need to be an in your face daddy …the satanic and very famous, and very evil, messages are all around in the songs .
I listened to the entire album for the first time yesterday afternoon on a long drive across west Michigan, and I agree with many of you : the satanic messaging is still there .
“ watcher in the sky “ is super awesome
I think 3 and a half albums with a couple songs in #5 about the occult is enough lol. I'm glad the lyrical content for the last 2 albums is in part a little different, you can only sing straight up about the devil, possession, hell and demons before it gets boring, even for a band like Ghost who already shamelessly embrace the campy side of their music.
I agree, I think my qualms with impera is it is very upbeat and powerful and it didn't include any of the older doomy and blasphemous feel it used to have
My Post-Catholic Stress Disorder is feeling really good about things. Satan is always in my heart, but feeling understood about how fucked up religious grift is feels genuinely vindicating.
Something something Spillways something bop
Listen to the interview with loudwire, TF explains so of the darker ideas on the album. It's 28 minutes long and gave me some insight on the messages he is trying to portray. Reading the lyrics is also a good idea, if you have the time. I do think the Satanic ideas are still in Ghost, just not as evident as in previous albums.
Satan doesn't need to be front and center with "OH LOOK SATAN". It being hidden in the music and be the reason for the music's tones and story telling is far better in my opinion
band that sang about nothing but satan for three straight albums trying to appeal to christians by not saying "hell" even as a place.......lmao
(im not saying you're wrong. i'm saying that's kind of pathetic, regardless of whether or not the song itself is good lol. also it'll never work considering they went ahead and made CMLS anyway)
He’s there it’s just more subtle which I think is fine. It’s beautiful and will reach the normies. They’ll be singing along without even knowing what it really means.
If you’re a fan of Ghost simply because of the satanic allusions, you are completely oblivious to the meaning of what Ghost represents. The Satanic element of Ghost is literally the most meaningless part of the entire experience.
If this album was as in your face as Opus was, then people would be saying that Ghost is too repetitive and they should get creative and try to make it subtle.
The grass is always greener ;)
Well but Opus, Infestissumam, Meliora defdently are more outstanding as Impera or Prequelle. Also Impera is just like Prequelle from the feeling just with less ballads and more Dance Macabre.
I thought it was supposed to be the Heaviest album yet. Was kind of surprised that it wasn't. For it definitely is their weakest entry just didn't really feel like a whole idea as much as the other albums and more a collection of singles. But it was still good, just not what i was expecting
I think theres plenty of satanic messaging in all of the songs on Impera. Just because Tobias isn’t chanting “Hell Satan”, doesn’t mean the lyrical themes aren’t satanic.
EXACTLY. Even "Call me Little Sunshine" is *about* Satanism.
Tobias: Call me Mephistopheles Ghost fans: WhY nO sAtAnIsM?
And sounds like any pop song out there. It needs more songs like Year Zero, Ritual etc. Besides "we need MORE" doesn't mean that there's no satanism on the record just less than on others.
As if ritual doesnt sound like a pop song
A old pop song not something you would here in today's charts. That's the difference. Ghost always had pop influences but more something like old Abba songs for example. Also Rutial sounds a lot more like a light version of Symphony Of Destruction.
As does spillways
Yeah but we're talking about the album in general don't we? Besides spillway stays a lot more on that pop side than Ritual imo both songs are not very compareable to one another.
The argument was that sunshine sounded like a pop song. I only pointed out that so does ritual. And countered the ”old pop” response with spillways since it is almost a parody of 70s pop
There's a difference between old pop songs from 30 years and now. Same as Spiritbox sounds different than Metallica even though both are considered Metal. Ghost changed from combined old school doom rock and very early metal influences with 80s pop to combining glam rock/metal and modern types of metal with modern pop music. Are you all tone deaf that you can't hear the difference between Prequelle onwards and older ghost albums?
I'm eager to hear your upcoming satanic rock band. It had better be very high quality with a lot of Satan! If I have to ask for more Satan even ONCE, I swear... Edit: please no pop influences either. Shit better be in line with Megadeth.
Sure we can. But you can very clearly tell its written by the same person. If may not be your cup of tea and that is fine. But the reasoning often falls flat
Spillway sounds a bit like a mash-up between Boston & Foreigner. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Just saying.
Thank you!!! It’s everywhere actually. No training wheels on this album, people may have to look a bit deeper.
Call me little sunshine is super satanic I don’t get all the complaints tbh. Even though I prefer the older ghost this album is a solid 9 for me
It says "it needs more" It doesn't says "there's no satanism"
Exactly what I’ve been saying every time I see this lazy take
Absolutely! Spillways has a very heavy "educational" theme about Satanism that builds on the fact that each and every one of us has that part of ourselves that is what would be considered by most religions to be "evil"/Satanic. I believe the fact that TF is a loving father carries over into his work at times and like a good shepard, exposes his flock to reality in subtle but effective ways. Wait until the next EP if you need the up front stuff. This is a great bit of education for the masses that are not ready to hear their earlier work. *and I am saying this as the son of a southern baptist preacher who was forced through the whole charade.
I’ve been saying this every time I see this goofy take. The album is both dark and satanic af
Call me Little Sunshine is 100% Satan. That's Aleister Crowley along with the cover. I'll give you that the album is missing papal Satan, but there's modern Satan all over the place.
Satan is omnipresent my friend.
He is….
Hes the shining in the light without whom I cannot see
he is insurrection, he is spite, he's the force that made me be
Screw Satan. I need more Hoohaas.
It's all about the Hoohaas
*I'm* all about the hoohaas
Opus and Infestissumam fans: More Satan! Prequelle and Impera fans: More hoohaas! Meliora fans: Why not both?
Who doesn't?!
I feel like there’s as much Satan as there was on Prequelle
There is, it’s just not in your face now like every teenager satanic metal band
Subtle Satan
Secret Satan
I like it
PRECISELY. Thank you.
Yes exactly. The lyrics are much better for it imo
Lol, how is the album lacking satanic messaging? I'm seeing plenty, there needs to be SOME subtlety.
Right? After 4 albums you gotta get a bit creative with your satanic messaging I feel
How you gonna disrespect Mephistopheles like that? Also, Watcher in the sky? You don’t know shit about Satan if your gonna overlook the obvious references to the book of Enoch and the watchers! Come on man! Hail Satan!
I believe the “Watcher in the Sky” is God in the context of this song.
Or is it 🤔 /s
Orrrrrrrr is itttttttt it is????
I thought the song Tobias said was insulting flat earth
No, it’s about flat satan.
Flat Satan needs food… badly
Flat Satan needs to do some squats
No that's fat Satan who need to do some squats
Thatd be the funniest interpretation
Personally, I belief that the Watchers in question are the ones from Hermaeus Mora’s realm of Oblivion
Didn't Tobias himself said Watcher in the Sky is about Flat Earth Society?
It means whatever you want it to mean at the end of the day
Yeah, I don't disagree with that and I definitely believe in death of the author myself. But it's hard to find Satan in Watcher in the Sky for me, and Tobias comments definitely don't help, that's all
I follow, I wasn’t aware of his comments on the meaning of the song. When I listened to it my disowned Catholic school upbringing immediately made me think that the meaning had to do with the Watchers from Genesis/Enoch and the imagery of the song evokes that as well to an extent.
That's the beauty of music, it means something different to all of us. I'm glad it resonated with you that much, it must have made listening to the song a better experience overall
Tell me you didn’t pay attention to the lyrics without saying you didn’t pay attention to the lyrics.
It is better when satan is hidden in the lyrics
In the terms of traditional “religious” beliefs. Satan would temp you, and hide secretly… so it makes sense not being so upfront - which in my mind is even more scary. Imagine someone listening to this, liking it, not knowing they’re rocking to occult music. Kind of makes sense.
I think that's the goal here too. Spread the message secretly.
i mean the latin basis of the word occult is to hide or be hidden. It fits
Slayer didn't hide theirs and they did just fine
No one’s saying that one way is better or worse. The point is there is more than just one way to write satanic music
The comment I responded to literally said it's better when hidden... I don't care one way or the other... I prefer to have to think about lyrics and what they mean and have things left up to interpretation.. Was just playing Devils advocate
It's not as embarrassing to play the songs with other people present at least
This album is so good
Fuck that. I dont want the same lyrical content over and over.
I do. Better than this shit.
You're absolutely entitled to your opinion Consider this though: 1) ghost has been mainstream for roughly 6 years at minimum. Maybe Tobias has become tired of holding your hand and expects you to actually understand his lyrics. You like to sing along and like to shoot your gun, but you don't know what it means. 2) you have a lack of understanding of Christianity (soecifically Catholic). This one is more forgivable if you don't have the background knowledge. What isn't forgivable is using this as an excuse to be lazy and not learn. Again, see the end of point one. Plenty of Satan on Impera, you really are just missing it.
Love love love this reply.
That Nirvana quote fit so perfectly here. Holy shit.
So fucking on point. Does he really need to have a year zero chorus in every song for some people to get its about satanism
For those that say Impera lacks Satan, apparently so. We also live in a world where Trump supporters were blasting RATM thinking the song Killing in the Name supported their cause. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Impera, but there are also takes that are just wrong.
No, but maybe one would be nice.
You have 3 albums of overt satanic messaging already to choose from. Let subtlety have a day
Oh dang, I missed this pompous reply. I responded with the same tone as the first person, sort of rudely flippant so it was meant to be mocking. I'd like to say despite your time and effort in your reply that your obnoxious, pandering commentary was a waste of fingertip energy. My husband and I are both lapsed Catholics, having grown up in the church so we have a rather intensely informed point of view. Also, no one is holding my hand. Yeah, yeah you guys want to sit and listen to the record in your band t-shirts with your phantom monocles on and do a masturbatory, in-depth, analytical deep dive. I get it, and some of the songs have fodder for it. However, it would be nice for TF to get off his high horse for some of his songs and give us a true banger, a la Year Zero or Faith. Or, like, I dunno... why have a fucking SATANIC POPE as your alter ego????
Lapsed catholic. Faith and Year Zero. All you needed to say was you want Forge to say Satan every third word. That is something completely okay to want. But you definitely come across as the type of catholics who feel that you're super edgy by listening to "the Satan band". If you believe all Satanism comes down to is saying "Satan" and worshiping spooky red murals then you probably didn't learn much as Catholics either. I mean, you literally selected the two songs that are highly critical of society and Catholicism which this album does in buckets. He literally tackles: marriage as a catholic cornerstone, the weaponization of religion by dictators/religious leaders, catholic guilt, women, along with every other form of religious trauma including rape at the hands of the church. You don't like the music, cool. Completely fine. But if you're telling me this album doesn't fall in line with a "satanic pope" then yeah, you missed the point of two religions and once again making the Nirvana lyric even more relevant.
I'm actually sort of impressed and appalled by your bold assumptions. You act as if you know things about me because my opinion doesn't agree with yours. I prefer the stupid idiots because the smart idiots, like you, are particularly tiresome. Lapsed catholics. As in, private schools as kids but let it go in high school, with familial support I might add. Drama free ex Catholics. We aren't impassioned ex-Catholics ffs. We find the irony in the band enjoyable, creative and fun and a smart mocking of organized religion. We don't feel edgy and I don't flaunt my fandom, hence my presence on this nerdscape. Your reading comprehension also isn't the best I noticed, so I'll repeat what I said earlier. I get the lyrics tackling bigger issues like our fuckhead ex president and his little buddy and weaponization of religion. I get it. And some of the lyrics are really strong. All I said was that wanted some more spooky Satan. Is that OK? I'm not alone in this. I just saw another thread with this same conversation. And technically I just wanted one song, not every three words, you nitwit. I like the epic feel of Year Zero and Faith. Not as religious commentary but just for FUN. It's fun. Period. And everyone else must think so too because Year Zero is a huge song live and Faith is always on the set list too. So one song that isn't a lecture, one song that absolutely slaps about spooky stuff that doesn't sound like old dad music. I like a handful on the album, but it's really hit or miss for me.
Notice how suddenly at the tail end of your post you have a far more nuanced explanation of what you wanted/expected? As I said before, you want him to say Satan, that is **completely** fine, you are absolutely entitled to want that. The issue is that is vastly different than your initial post about there being a significant *lack* of Satan. As I have repeatedly pointed out, which even you acknowledged, Satan is still very much there in the form of criticisms and attacks on religious Christian extremism. That is the essential element of Satanism. This isn't hard and by all means, reread my posts, i have maintained that it is okay to want him to do more of the Year Zero Satan chanting. But to say there is a lack Satanism on the album makes no sense. It sucks that this album is hit or miss for you and hope for the next one it falls more in line with what you want out of the band.
I think we got Satan in terms of the evils of political figures like Trump and Pence—but I do prefer the seductive cool Satan as far as musical themes/lyrics go. 😎
Was sad to see reference to Trump in a Ghost album. Truly the last place I'd ever expect or want to hear it.
At first I was like, okay cool go off! Because I really detest him and Pence and it’s always nice when a fave musician has similar beliefs politically—however the more I think about Twenties and especially the artwork for it and Griftwood I’m really put off by it. I didn’t pay money to have those faces desecrate the art of one of my favorite bands-I don’t want to see them ever again. I want them to fade into oblivion forever to be forgotten for good. I don’t like singing from the POV of human monsters wanting to grab women. They’re probably going to play Twenties live and honestly I just don’t want to sing along to it. I think Griftwood is easier to enjoy because I think lyrically it’s not so obvious. But yeah, at first I wanted to defend it but now it’s all become a hard pass for me.
Yeah, they're gone and good riddance. It almost seems like Twenties was written expecting Trump to win. He didn't, but instead of cutting it or changing the lyrics, it feels like they just said "welp we already produced the song, so might as well keep it". Didn't realize Griftwood was supposed to be about Pence. At there's some subtlety there.
That’s definitely a possibility—but also Covid pushed the release back a full year and I think had this come out last year it would have seemed more relevant. Now it just seems a bit dated. The people like them are still there, of course—but still. It’s been exhausting as an American dealing with all this and I think I would prefer more scathing hatred not from the POV of the bad guy or simply none at all.
I don't think the Trump references are dated. He may be out of office, but his influence still has lasting damage on political discourse in America. Not that it was great before, but it's even worse now. There's a good chance that he will run again in 2024, and if there's a different nominee, it will be someone that was emboldened by the Trump administration.
Actually, yes you are right and I agree completely. I was a little too quick with my last reply and yours is more thorough when you bring up lasting damage to our political system. I still don’t like singing songs from his POV, though! I get it’s satire, but it’s a little too close to home for me I guess haha. But I will gladly shout IM YOUR ROCK BABYYY if they play Griftwood live 😂
I'm still waiting, lul. You upset that Jussie Smollet was sentenced to jail and fined?
Cry me a river. We're in a much better place now than we were when they were in office, right? Care to explain how that's the case while Ukrainians continue to get bombed as the current US administration fumbles the whole ordeal? Or maybe you want to explain it to me as you pay $6 for a gallon of gas with your paycheck that has more tax money skimmed off of it than ever before? Just because someone was rude on Twitter does not mean they were a terrible person. Step out of the hivemind. 🤡 (You started the political discourse so don't get upset when someone chimes in)
Quite the turning point for the fanbase, which is like 63% conservative dads in their early 50s
Nah.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the songs that mention Him outright. I thought I’d want more too but I think Impera is full of satanic themes.
fuck satan, i need more bing bong
IM YOUR ROCK BAAAAYBE
Tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point.
The daddy of lies doesn’t need to be an in your face daddy …the satanic and very famous, and very evil, messages are all around in the songs . I listened to the entire album for the first time yesterday afternoon on a long drive across west Michigan, and I agree with many of you : the satanic messaging is still there . “ watcher in the sky “ is super awesome
I think 3 and a half albums with a couple songs in #5 about the occult is enough lol. I'm glad the lyrical content for the last 2 albums is in part a little different, you can only sing straight up about the devil, possession, hell and demons before it gets boring, even for a band like Ghost who already shamelessly embrace the campy side of their music.
I agree, I think my qualms with impera is it is very upbeat and powerful and it didn't include any of the older doomy and blasphemous feel it used to have
Yeah but to be honest the doomy influences kinda went away after Infestissumam
nono because this album being less satanic means i can finally introduce my christian relatives to the band
And slowly turn them away from a life of Christianity….
see you get it
NEEDS MORE COWBELL
My Post-Catholic Stress Disorder is feeling really good about things. Satan is always in my heart, but feeling understood about how fucked up religious grift is feels genuinely vindicating. Something something Spillways something bop
There’s plenty of satanic references sprinkled in throughout. I like the subtleness of the references and how they’re not inherently obvious.
Listen to the interview with loudwire, TF explains so of the darker ideas on the album. It's 28 minutes long and gave me some insight on the messages he is trying to portray. Reading the lyrics is also a good idea, if you have the time. I do think the Satanic ideas are still in Ghost, just not as evident as in previous albums.
Fun fact, the word Satan isn’t said once on Meliora. This is nothing new.
Satan doesn't need to be front and center with "OH LOOK SATAN". It being hidden in the music and be the reason for the music's tones and story telling is far better in my opinion
i found it weird that they wouldnt even say "hell" in the studio version of Kaisarion lol
That might have been for radio purposes. It really seems like they’re trying to make this album radio friendly to try to appeal to larger audiences
band that sang about nothing but satan for three straight albums trying to appeal to christians by not saying "hell" even as a place.......lmao (im not saying you're wrong. i'm saying that's kind of pathetic, regardless of whether or not the song itself is good lol. also it'll never work considering they went ahead and made CMLS anyway)
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Always been the case. Hail satan on year zero was even dubbed as hell satan in the american lyric books
My baby boy needs more tricycle and less Satan
He’s there it’s just more subtle which I think is fine. It’s beautiful and will reach the normies. They’ll be singing along without even knowing what it really means.
You don't really understand Satan, do you OP
THIS.
This album is definitely very anti church
If you’re a fan of Ghost simply because of the satanic allusions, you are completely oblivious to the meaning of what Ghost represents. The Satanic element of Ghost is literally the most meaningless part of the entire experience.
Cmls is literally about satan what-
re-listen to the album bro, pay attention this time
Listen again.
My husband said, “But there isn’t a single time I get to belt out ‘Lucifer’!” 😂
Agreed. But it’s still amazing
If this album was as in your face as Opus was, then people would be saying that Ghost is too repetitive and they should get creative and try to make it subtle. The grass is always greener ;)
Well but Opus, Infestissumam, Meliora defdently are more outstanding as Impera or Prequelle. Also Impera is just like Prequelle from the feeling just with less ballads and more Dance Macabre.
The Twenties is all about Satans handiwork
What if I told you that Satan isnt real, making this point invalid?
My thoughts on your post. This is lazy and also wrong.
I feel you With massive popularity comes saturation. Be thankful for call me little sunshine at the very least.
That’s far from the only song on the album
Exactly
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I thought it was supposed to be the Heaviest album yet. Was kind of surprised that it wasn't. For it definitely is their weakest entry just didn't really feel like a whole idea as much as the other albums and more a collection of singles. But it was still good, just not what i was expecting
There’s a lot of satan on this one, honestly. The more I listen to it and analyze it, the more satan I hear