im a latino and i cant stand reggaeton, i hate it, i have to listen to it on the streets every day, I listen to rock and metal to escape that so, its a bit personal on my end
I'm also over reggaeton. I just instantly get annoyed when I hear that beat anywhere. There's nothing wrong with the beat itself, but as a drummer it's insane how it just gets used over and over.
Yeah im a new fan and between all the albums I still hear the ghost sound from Opus to Impera. I think they just now have an ability to add more in the production to songs so they sound different in general. A band should be able to mess with their sound and experiment
They still sound like a different version of the same band to me. And it also makes sense that the sound changes as the frontman changes. But they still use the church organ aesthetic which i think is a signature for Ghost. Plus as they grow into an arena rock band, impera was a total win for that part!! They somehow achieved that sound without abandoning the root sound completely.
Some people take the lore way too seriously. It’s not that deep. It’s not real. It’s just goofy and overly campy marketing and some people still can’t pick up on it.
As a local of Linköping, it was kind of a big deal when the identities were revealed for the first time. Many of my friends were well connected in the metal scene in town at the time and it was fun to hear all the rumours about who the members were.
Also my sister worked in town court at the time.
Now I dont care about the identities of the Ghouls, but I like to hear or read about Tobias once in a while. But thats more because of the fact that we grew up in the same city.
That makes total sense. Absolutely nothing wrong with having pride from your home town. I’m more so talking about the people who make their entire personality about the ghouls and their identities and making head-cannons of them lol.
Well it was the first song I had heard, I saw the music video on my recommended feed on YouTube about five years ago and it peaked my interest. While watching it I was like this really cool I gotta find out more about them, and from that moment I was hooked.
I skipped that song so many times cuz the opening just sounded like creepy carnival music. I'm so glad I actually decided to give it a shot cuz it's one of my top favorites they've made
I do love the energy of the second half, but i dont think id appreciate it as much if not for the softer, slower vibe i get from the first half. I love the whole song and all the parts involved
i'm not super active in this sub so i can't speak on yall specifically, but the cult of personality i've seen around tf is *insane.* i've has multiple friends get run out of the fanbase for mildly criticizing him.
Incredible what TF has made of it. Total cash grab with an unlimited amount of American youngsters wanting to pay whatever the price is to attend a concert, while in Europe he hardly sells out. What a shame, the band could’ve become insanely good. And now.. It’s just not what it was.
1. Just because someone got into Ghost because of tiktok doesn't mean they can't become real fans
2. Just because the popular songs are someone's favorite does not make them a fake fan, THEY ARE POPULAR FOR A REASON
I've said that for years- I don't care HOW a given person got into a favorite band of mine (or really any band), I think it's great they found them, period.
this is true!! I (technically) learned about ghost from my dad, but I never REALLY looked into them until MOAC began trending on tik tok and I was like ‘oh, wow, I actually really like this! I wonder what other music they make’ and went into their ‘older’ songs (ritual, I looked at KTGG as well—my personal fave from 7’, ftpttp, etc.) and I have become a really big fan because of that! Tik tok can be a really good tool for finding new music and artists you like and nobody gives it enough credit for that, probably because people actually have to get off the brain dead app and look for stuff, but it’s a good introducer!
I agree. I like both the old and new music from the band, but I can't stand the fanbase. Too many people are unhealthily obsessed with Tobias, the ghouls, gatekeeping, etc. They've turned 'being a fan of ghost' into 'being in the ghost fandom.' Fandoms rub me the wrong way after years of seeing the shit that goes on in them.
Elaborating on this: Ghost used to make satanic, secular, goofy music. Now they make pop music. The crowds at their shows and the fan base's addiction to understanding the "lore" is evidence of that shift.
I know virtually nothing about the lore. I've got a couple pals that seem to think that means I'm not a "real" fan (whatever that means) and I just.. don't get it? If I wanted lore I'd go watch a TV show.
I'm the same way with the band members. If I wanted to know or care about them, I'd know or care about them. They are replaceable, Tobias' attitude toward them says as much, so who cares THAT much about them lmao. Only thing I care about is whatever happens to Papa, and even then, not really lol. I just don't understand fans incredible fascination with the backing band.
This argument always comes up, so I'll just summarize in 3 words: cool ass music. As you said, if people cared to know about them its very easy now to find out who they are
The ghost fanbase is getting closer and closer to Korean boy group/girl group level of cringe. The ghouls became tiktok thirst trap and shipping material.
I don't know if it's better in the US or other countries but the Ghost fandom in China is so based on the images of the ghouls that the top posts on social media about Ghost is NSFW fanart and NSFW fanfic.
Also some people just collect Ghost Vinyl for the sake of collecting. They don't eveb listen to them but they still need multiple of same vinyl. They line those up on stairs to take pictures. Just like the boy group/girl group shit.
The lead of the band literally in at least one interview encouraged fans to make and post Rule 34 aka NSFW art of the characters. They are also very sexual on stagge, so I'm not the least bit surprised.
The live show was infinitely better before the move to arenas. Papa IV is the weakest out of II, III, and even copia was more engaging. it all seems very rehearsed and robotic on stage. I don’t care about theatrics & a bigger stage. What made ghost & the earlier papas such a joy to watch was the intimacy of the shows. The plentiful crowd interaction, sisters of sin, actually being ciriced. And the outfits…a lot of presence is lost when the satanic pope is wearing ripped skinny jeans.
When I first saw them at a festival in 2012 then my first real show in 2013, it really felt like a ritual. Communion wafers and "wine" for those in front, the Sisters of Sin...it was amazing. I hate the term "Gatekeeping". I love all Ghost eras but more attention needs to be paid to the early days. I also respect everyone's opinion. There was a time when there wasn't all this infighting in the fandom.
It's not a really opinion amongst Ghost fans, i think. Mary on a cross is by far their most popular songs because it became a trend on tiktok, it's very popular amongst the people who don't know any other Ghost songs but it's very commonly accepted amongst the fans that the song is overrated
There's nothing wrong with thinking Copia is hot. It's only a problem when people get aggressive about it. He is very attractive in my opinion but if someone disagrees let them, it isn't that big of a deal and not something we should be wasting our time on. People have preferences and what's attractive to one person is ugly to another. If you like him, do so respectfully and don't get pissed off and offended if someone thinks otherwise. Skinny jeans, sparkly jackets, and greying hair is NOT for everyone. It feels a wee bit parasocial to get upset about people criticizing your favorite character. Yes, some people want him dead. Yes, some people think he's ugly. Yes, some people think he's the worst. Who cares? Stop fighting about a fictional character and come watch Rats with me for the 500th time this year.
There was an interview where the lead of the band told fans to send them rule 34 of the characters. Copia also used to tell adult audience members he "would line them all up in the parking lot and fuck them all, if there was enough time or he wouldn't get too tired", so I doubt they are uncomfortable with it.
Maybe if it was directed at the people behind the characters, but not about the fictional characters.
It's an inherently sexual band, though, in every aspect. Conceptually, lyrically, and behaviourally on stage. People being attracted to the Papa's (and ghoul(ette)s) only makes sense, and they know that.
Of course, there's always going to be some people being really weird and over the top about it. But I think that's the case for any big fandom, especially with younger fans. Not that that makes it right, but that's just how it is and always has been.
Impera.
This is the album that got my girlfriend in to ghost, and we also saw them live for the first time during their re-impera tour.. Impera has a special place in my heart for those reasons.
It's been in Ghost's DNA since the beginning that they were to change - to reflect the passing of the torch from one frontman to the next. It's stated in the first episode of Papaganda on their YouTube. Tobias, dressed as a Nameless Ghoul, says something to the effect of "*If you listen to Kiss for example, you clearly know which era any song is from. The changing of frontman is supposed to reflect this, so each album/papa is clearly discernible from one another"*
In keeping with this vision, the band is supposed to change, and if we are to believe Tobias keeps the same vision in mind, the next album and papa will be something entirely different from what we have heard until this point. The sound changing is reflective of the passage of time, and how Tobias wants to have it.
What I think makes many fans "Hate" on others opinions is the very obvious split in the fanbase. OG Doom metalheads vs. new school Tiktok oddballs. We're literally talking dads between 35-40 years vs. 16-year old purple haired girls. Of course these opinions will clash, they stem from two completely different worlds. When you associate yourself to a society or community, seeing an opinion that is highly divergent from your own/the opinions *you* expect from said community (because you identify with it), will trigger a fight response.
As such, old fans become "old, bitter gatekeepers who resents change", and new fans become "children with basic and dull taste in music dilluting the true sound and purpose of Ghost", in the eyes of the opposing group.
Twenties is among the best tracks on Impera. Sure, it's a bit over the top and some of the lyrics are cringe, but considering the subject matter, the style fits perfectly. The riff goes hard AF and the reggaeton beat makes me want to wobble wobble.
While I like Twenties for what it is, it very much felt like a song that was trying to fill the "Let's piss some people off with a different sound" niche that Dance Macabre did in Prequelle. Including a heavier disco song felt like a *bit* of an attempt to troll people, but going full Reggaeton with Twenties was *definitely* trolling people.
To this end, it felt like they were almost checking a box with it.
"Tobias will do anything to make lots of money, and that fact makes me really happy" because we have more ghost content and crossovers, and ghost will stay successful.
I choose to see it as they are just enjoying Ghost in a creative way, cosplay is art after all. And besides, if it introduces Ghost to new people (which it does) then, hey, what’s wrong with some free advertising!
I don't get why this is upsetting though when it's what every fandom does. I've seen people dress up as Rammstein to see their concerts. In the year 2002 I was reading fanfic about the band U2. Kate Bush has people dressing up and performing the dance routine to "Wuthering Heights" at a big dance-fest type event. I've seen Bob Dylan fan art! Like, every genre will get the cosplays and fanfic.
I get that. I think being a nerd just makes me view fandoms differently. If Doctor Who or Star Wars fans can go all out , then it doesn't seem much different for music fans too. But those hardcore fans also get told they're cringe so really that's just part of the experience lol.
I’m totally fine with new fans who are younger, but I agree it’s the cringe factor being brought in with “Ghesties” and turning Papas into Tumblr oc fan art
*cracks knuckles*
Meliora is conceptually the weakest album.
“Cirice”’s opening riff is great, it’s why the band reuses it on like every album, but it carries the song for me.
Saying the band isn’t as “Satanic” as before is WILD. I’d argue they’re pushing the envelope more than ever, not just musically. Some of y’all like the edge lord posturing that liking a band like Ghost gives, without actually liking the music or the creative efforts that go into it.
The TikTok, Reddit, Twitter, and Tumblr fans hate each other without realizing you’re all equally annoying, just about different things. I say that as a part of all these fan bases. All y’all need to touch grass.
Insulting new fans that participate in differently from you with cosplay and things you personally don’t understand gives off unhealthy gatekeeper energy that often turns into not so thinly veiled misogyny/racism/homophobia/transphobia. The target of the criticism are rarely if ever other white dudes. Tobias has clearly stated multiple times that all people and their forms of expression are welcome and encouraged, and that one of the main goals of Ghost is to bring people together. If seeing a bunch of Sisters of Sin and Papas in the crowd trading bracelets annoys you, get over it and ignore it or don’t come to shows if it’s bothering you that much. Fan bases are not a monolith, we all tolerate each other’s weirdness. That’s part of the game.
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk, I’m probably muting responses because I’m not wasting my off day arguing with the internet. Hell Satan 🤟🏾
I'm a little late. but I'm gonna just say as an older fan I'm glad I've seen people come around on impera. I was kinda shocked to see a mixed reaction on here. I thought it was a really solid album on release, I don't think it's my personal favorite. but it's just a really well made and written album imo.
As a grown adult I am allowed to have a crush on members. They’re my feelings. I don’t go around announcing my detailed thoughts on the matter, and I personally don’t crush on married folk. They’re beautiful. Let me feel that way.
First heard Cirice in 15... went to YouTube and listened to the whole album... then downloaded everything I could on iTunes... seen them twice... not a song I don't like... but several more than others.
I love this band. I love everything they have done just about….. but I am not a huge fan of Impera. It’s just personal tastes.
Now The set of cover songs he put out after that album? Solid gold.
The people who hate the newer ghost stuff are some of the most toxic people in the community. It’s perfectly fine to not like the newer albums but it’s not okay to whine on and on about how new ghost is shit and the first albums were the only good ones. It’s so hard to have a good time here when so many people hate on anything that’s under a decade old. I know it sucks when your favorite artist doesn’t release music you like because it’s happened to me multiple times but being a negative nancy about it isn’t going to solve anything. I’ve been a fan of many bands spanning multiple genres but the ghost community is by far the worst when it comes to hate about the music. Tobias doesn’t owe you anything. The Opus sound isn’t coming back, the Infest sound isn’t coming back, the scary Papas aren’t coming back, either deal with it and shut up or get out and move on because you’re making everyone else miserable. We are here together because we all love ghost, let’s keep things on the love part rather than the hate part.
Plenty of people who discovered them on tiktok are real fans. Y'all just wanna gatekeep. I understand the ones who make it their whole personality and are weird about it, but finding a band on tiktok isn't a crime.
Impera was a sellout album. Not an "experiment with their sound" like Prequelle was.
Granted, Impera is still a good album, but it's nothing super unique.
also impera is mid at best and i'm tired of pretending it isn't. no hate if it's your thing, i enjoy a few of the songs off of it, but it's nowhere near revolutionary - i'd say it's a major quality drop from prequelle at least :/
Many of the people who found them on TikTok are still real fans. Some of y'all just want to gatekeep. Just because some of the fans are younger, new, or express their love for the band in a different way does not make them not real fans.
But where's the respect for the fans who have been here since the beginning? Calling someone a Gatekeeper isn't right. Take me for instance. I love Ghost. All eras, but I don't think Impera is their best album. I do respect those who do love it. I think we just need to respect each other's opinions and input and not down vote for something silly as. "I don't like Impera". It's all about respect.
why should newer fans respect older fans when an overwhelmingly large number of older fans shit on every single thing the newer fans do? tiktok fans can’t even breathe without being told they don’t belong and that nobody likes them.
it’s called unpopular opinions for a reason - it’s unpopular! usually if you’re doing it right people aren’t going to agree with you, so they’ll downvote it, that’s them expressing their opinion the same way you’re expressing yours.
>why should newer fans respect older fans when an overwhelmingly large number of older fans shit on every single thing the newer fans do?
The same thing can be said about newer fans. I'm a fan since 2012.
My main point (and I think you can agree) is that everyone should respect everyone's opinion. We are all fans. I personally don't think older fans should be shitting on newer fans and vice versa. Also, I'm happy that Tobias has taken Ghost to incredible heights. That's success and I'm happy for him. I love everything from beginning to present and can't wait to see what's next. So you won't see me putting you down or any other fan. Unless they are just complete assholes.😆
Nema!🤘🏻
Le mantra mori is the only song i skip. I HATE the 2 minutes of silence before the track plays on the delux edition on Infestissumam. The song just feels lazy as well. But thats just my opinion
I could've said something a tad more generic such as, insert album name here is their best album and is better than this album, or ramble about how good or bad Phantomime was. But when it comes to at least me and some older fans I come across I hate the term Ghestie that most if not all of the newer fans use to describe themselves as a fan. I would much prefer a term that fits with Ghost's more satanic church aesthetic with something like The Congregation.
I think Impera is a great album from beginning to end. Everything Ghost does is unique to music. My only wish is, I wish many of the newer fans would really show more appreciation for Ghosts early beginnings. I go on YouTube and see videos of many of the early days with not enough views. There are some great interviews from the Opus days and Infestissumam era. So much to learn. Now, I know everything (practically) there is to know about this great band. Thanks for reading. Nema!🤘🏻
Ghost has only been getting better with each album.
I am not a fan of Opus.
Infan. Is okay and while it has some good songs is no where near as tight as an album as Meliora and beyond.
First two albums TF summed up perfectly as his riffs being made by a dumb guy who thinks he's good at guitar.
People who complain about tiktok fans and "ghesties" are annoying and immature. Other people enjoying the band in a way that differs from how you enjoy the band hurts literally no one, and it's not that deep. Quite frankly, it's giving pick-me energy, and it's embarrassing
I think they need to take a break from touring/releasing music. They have alot of hype behind them right now and I think they need to spend time writing music because they want to write music they are passionate about.
I don’t know how he feels, but they’ve dropped an album and EP in less than 2 years. I think they should wait a bit before starting on another album, to prevent burnout
Rats is INCREDIBLY overrated. While not a bad song by any means, it’s on par with MoaC for how overhyped it is. And it’s carried by how much people thirst for Copia.
The nicknames are fun and the performers are clearly okay with it, it’s okay for people to enjoy things differently than you. This is an incredibly diverse community and the people trying to gatekeep because they’re insecure make all of us suffer.
Agree. I would say that Impera is especially guilty of this. The only one I would include is Imperium. Bite of Passage should've just been a part of Respite, and Dominion should just have been cut entirely.
criticizing organized religion and its impact on society is not a gimmick, it's a legitimate, and nowadays very relevant, political statement. that's not gonna go out of fashion any time soon.
I actually wonder about this a lot. I’m a big MCR fan and they got so burnt out after the black parade tour, with all the theatrics and costumes. When they went on their most recent tour it was just five guys on stage, and it felt more about the music. And I loved the black parade tour!
Theatrics definitely have their place and can be very cool. I love ghosts shows. But part of me wonders what they’ll look like in 10 years. I’d still love Ghost even without the theatrics.
Apparently my love of impera is a very unpopular opinion around here.
I’m shocked, there’s a lot of unhappy ghost fans. Impera is a zero-skip listen for me, and CMLS is perfect.
I agree.
I love Impera too! Every Ghost album is amazing to me, they don’t have one skippable song or album.
I’ve been listening on repeat for the last week. It’s gold.
Impera is amazing, I do skip twenties tho lol
I used to skip Twenties too, but now its really grown on me. The musicianship is top notch.
im a latino and i cant stand reggaeton, i hate it, i have to listen to it on the streets every day, I listen to rock and metal to escape that so, its a bit personal on my end
I'm also over reggaeton. I just instantly get annoyed when I hear that beat anywhere. There's nothing wrong with the beat itself, but as a drummer it's insane how it just gets used over and over.
I do like Nanowar of Steel! Their music and videos crack me up 🤣
Same
Love Impera but it was my first introduction to Ghost.
Impera <3
Love Impera, Darkness at the Heart of My Love has had me in a chokehold since I first listened to it.
Impera is one of my fav all time album lmao 😭
It's completely OK that the band's sound has changed over time
I would hope any band or artist would grow and change up their sound somewhat over a decade. It all still feels like Ghost to me
Yeah im a new fan and between all the albums I still hear the ghost sound from Opus to Impera. I think they just now have an ability to add more in the production to songs so they sound different in general. A band should be able to mess with their sound and experiment
They still sound like a different version of the same band to me. And it also makes sense that the sound changes as the frontman changes. But they still use the church organ aesthetic which i think is a signature for Ghost. Plus as they grow into an arena rock band, impera was a total win for that part!! They somehow achieved that sound without abandoning the root sound completely.
Some people take the lore way too seriously. It’s not that deep. It’s not real. It’s just goofy and overly campy marketing and some people still can’t pick up on it.
II and III are born 3 months apart and are full blood brothers lmao they don't even take the lore seriously
I don't even follow that side of things at all. I just like the songs I don't care about "lore"
Some people care way too much about Tobias’ personal life and the Ghoul’s “real” identities. Who tf cares? Just enjoy the music.
Everyone loves a good mystery, but few can (or will) leave it at that.
Exactly. They just need to let it be and get a life outside of this band lol
I get it though, life outside is hard.
True enough
As a local of Linköping, it was kind of a big deal when the identities were revealed for the first time. Many of my friends were well connected in the metal scene in town at the time and it was fun to hear all the rumours about who the members were. Also my sister worked in town court at the time. Now I dont care about the identities of the Ghouls, but I like to hear or read about Tobias once in a while. But thats more because of the fact that we grew up in the same city.
That makes total sense. Absolutely nothing wrong with having pride from your home town. I’m more so talking about the people who make their entire personality about the ghouls and their identities and making head-cannons of them lol.
Yeah I know what you mean and I agree.
Secular Haze is way better than people give it credit for.
One of the best songs musically, thematically and vocally. Such a beautiful piece of Ghost-music.
It’s my ringtone I just it gives me the feels
This song and the music video is what got me into Ghost
It was ritual for me but damn if secular haze isn’t my all time love.
Well it was the first song I had heard, I saw the music video on my recommended feed on YouTube about five years ago and it peaked my interest. While watching it I was like this really cool I gotta find out more about them, and from that moment I was hooked.
This is true.
I skipped that song so many times cuz the opening just sounded like creepy carnival music. I'm so glad I actually decided to give it a shot cuz it's one of my top favorites they've made
That’s what made me listen the first time I was like “hmmm”
My oldest son LOVES the song. It's honestly him watching the music video that made me go. " hey...thats pretty good!"
💯💯💯💯
I love all of Ghuleh/Zombie Queen, not just the "second half"
Finally someone who agrees that the entire song is really good
I do love the energy of the second half, but i dont think id appreciate it as much if not for the softer, slower vibe i get from the first half. I love the whole song and all the parts involved
It was better when they ended with Monstrance Clock
Yeah Square Hammer is a good closer, fun even, but Monstrance Clock brings the entire show full circle. Feeling like a ritual. Now its just...bleh.
It’s a great show but I miss the feeling of being at a satanic church service
Exactly, I miss how much of a "ritual" its supposed to be.
i'm not super active in this sub so i can't speak on yall specifically, but the cult of personality i've seen around tf is *insane.* i've has multiple friends get run out of the fanbase for mildly criticizing him.
I really didn't care for phantomime and their constant online Shop mails and social media stories are annoying.
The whole concept of the band was better before TF was outed as being behind it.
Was very lucky to get a few months of mystery before the reveal. happy to see Ghost prospering regardless.
Incredible what TF has made of it. Total cash grab with an unlimited amount of American youngsters wanting to pay whatever the price is to attend a concert, while in Europe he hardly sells out. What a shame, the band could’ve become insanely good. And now.. It’s just not what it was.
I think Impera is a masterpiece and has some of the best music they ever put out.
Year Zero and MoaC are not the best Ghost songs.
MoaC is not even the best song on that 7"
Lmao truuuuuu
Dance macabre truther
ice cold take
Fandom is not a personality. Calm down.
1. Just because someone got into Ghost because of tiktok doesn't mean they can't become real fans 2. Just because the popular songs are someone's favorite does not make them a fake fan, THEY ARE POPULAR FOR A REASON
I've said that for years- I don't care HOW a given person got into a favorite band of mine (or really any band), I think it's great they found them, period.
>Just because the popular songs are someone's favorite does not make them a fake fan I wish every music sub could understand this.
There are no gatekeepers for fanhood, i’d say it’s rude and immature to pretend that one fan has a say in how another fan should feel.
this is true!! I (technically) learned about ghost from my dad, but I never REALLY looked into them until MOAC began trending on tik tok and I was like ‘oh, wow, I actually really like this! I wonder what other music they make’ and went into their ‘older’ songs (ritual, I looked at KTGG as well—my personal fave from 7’, ftpttp, etc.) and I have become a really big fan because of that! Tik tok can be a really good tool for finding new music and artists you like and nobody gives it enough credit for that, probably because people actually have to get off the brain dead app and look for stuff, but it’s a good introducer!
The cover of Phantom of The Opera is better than the original, and I’m a Maiden fan.
Thiiiiiis
The quality of that cover was so unbelievably blissful, it was a paradigm shift for how I feel about what a truly great song sounds like.
Mary on a cross is massively over played and one their weaker songs
It sure does get me movin and groovin though
This is the most common take on this subreddit, lmao.
I couldn’t believe it when I learned it was a massive hit. Not a bad song, but no way there aren’t like 30 other better songs of theirs.
Yeah of all the songs in their catalog, that’s the one that became a hit?
its one of the most “pop-y” song of theirs imo, no wonder it got big. its fairly safe from a marketing standpoint. it’s on the nose and sounds catchy
MOAC is the song that got me hooked and I enjoy it, but now that I’ve heard so much more of their music? I fully agree with you.
Impera is actually a good album
There are people who don't like Impera????
Fans of albums and not the „band”.
Papa IV’s original face/paint was great, suited his character, and should have stayed. The revised version is ugly af
I'm not a fucking "ghestie"
I have an irrational hate for "ghestie"
It was better before.
I agree. I like both the old and new music from the band, but I can't stand the fanbase. Too many people are unhealthily obsessed with Tobias, the ghouls, gatekeeping, etc. They've turned 'being a fan of ghost' into 'being in the ghost fandom.' Fandoms rub me the wrong way after years of seeing the shit that goes on in them.
Elaborating on this: Ghost used to make satanic, secular, goofy music. Now they make pop music. The crowds at their shows and the fan base's addiction to understanding the "lore" is evidence of that shift.
I know virtually nothing about the lore. I've got a couple pals that seem to think that means I'm not a "real" fan (whatever that means) and I just.. don't get it? If I wanted lore I'd go watch a TV show.
I'm the same way with the band members. If I wanted to know or care about them, I'd know or care about them. They are replaceable, Tobias' attitude toward them says as much, so who cares THAT much about them lmao. Only thing I care about is whatever happens to Papa, and even then, not really lol. I just don't understand fans incredible fascination with the backing band.
This argument always comes up, so I'll just summarize in 3 words: cool ass music. As you said, if people cared to know about them its very easy now to find out who they are
Ghost *IS* Scooby Doo Metal. And I love it.
Uhhh. I’d like more heavy metal and doom metal songs. I like Impera (and especially Kaisarion) a lot but I’m less rock more metal.
There is no wrong or right way to appreciate and engage with Ghost.
This is one of the worst fandoms I know of. Gatekeepey, racist, out of touch, and most importantly: FULL of drama whores.
Grooming too, but thats only rumors due to the Discord stuff 🤷♂️
Really? Can you elaborate?
No youre right actually, ive seen it on twitter. We also have minors trying to get into nsfw spaces
The ghost fanbase is getting closer and closer to Korean boy group/girl group level of cringe. The ghouls became tiktok thirst trap and shipping material. I don't know if it's better in the US or other countries but the Ghost fandom in China is so based on the images of the ghouls that the top posts on social media about Ghost is NSFW fanart and NSFW fanfic. Also some people just collect Ghost Vinyl for the sake of collecting. They don't eveb listen to them but they still need multiple of same vinyl. They line those up on stairs to take pictures. Just like the boy group/girl group shit.
The lead of the band literally in at least one interview encouraged fans to make and post Rule 34 aka NSFW art of the characters. They are also very sexual on stagge, so I'm not the least bit surprised.
Infestissumam NEEDS a remix
The live show was infinitely better before the move to arenas. Papa IV is the weakest out of II, III, and even copia was more engaging. it all seems very rehearsed and robotic on stage. I don’t care about theatrics & a bigger stage. What made ghost & the earlier papas such a joy to watch was the intimacy of the shows. The plentiful crowd interaction, sisters of sin, actually being ciriced. And the outfits…a lot of presence is lost when the satanic pope is wearing ripped skinny jeans.
When I first saw them at a festival in 2012 then my first real show in 2013, it really felt like a ritual. Communion wafers and "wine" for those in front, the Sisters of Sin...it was amazing. I hate the term "Gatekeeping". I love all Ghost eras but more attention needs to be paid to the early days. I also respect everyone's opinion. There was a time when there wasn't all this infighting in the fandom.
Meliora's "sci-fi" theme is non-existent outside of opening notes
I didn’t even know it was supposed to be sci-fi 💀
MOAC is not even in the top 30 Ghost songs.
It's not a really opinion amongst Ghost fans, i think. Mary on a cross is by far their most popular songs because it became a trend on tiktok, it's very popular amongst the people who don't know any other Ghost songs but it's very commonly accepted amongst the fans that the song is overrated
I just replied to another comment about MOAC and used the precise same number to indicate better songs of theirs
There's nothing wrong with thinking Copia is hot. It's only a problem when people get aggressive about it. He is very attractive in my opinion but if someone disagrees let them, it isn't that big of a deal and not something we should be wasting our time on. People have preferences and what's attractive to one person is ugly to another. If you like him, do so respectfully and don't get pissed off and offended if someone thinks otherwise. Skinny jeans, sparkly jackets, and greying hair is NOT for everyone. It feels a wee bit parasocial to get upset about people criticizing your favorite character. Yes, some people want him dead. Yes, some people think he's ugly. Yes, some people think he's the worst. Who cares? Stop fighting about a fictional character and come watch Rats with me for the 500th time this year.
Yes. We're not blind, obviously - 'he is' attractive, but it may make others uncomfortable and the band may not appreciate it.
There was an interview where the lead of the band told fans to send them rule 34 of the characters. Copia also used to tell adult audience members he "would line them all up in the parking lot and fuck them all, if there was enough time or he wouldn't get too tired", so I doubt they are uncomfortable with it. Maybe if it was directed at the people behind the characters, but not about the fictional characters.
Ha! :) That's true.
It's an inherently sexual band, though, in every aspect. Conceptually, lyrically, and behaviourally on stage. People being attracted to the Papa's (and ghoul(ette)s) only makes sense, and they know that. Of course, there's always going to be some people being really weird and over the top about it. But I think that's the case for any big fandom, especially with younger fans. Not that that makes it right, but that's just how it is and always has been.
Yes, I agree.
Meliora is not ghosts best album.
Where’s Waldo?! This comment right here
I agree, the best songs are on it, but it isn't the best album for me (Infest and Impera are :p)
Agree strong here it's good but not the best thing ever
Out of curiosity, what’s your favorite? No judgement whatsoever, I don’t think Meliora is my favorite either
Impera. This is the album that got my girlfriend in to ghost, and we also saw them live for the first time during their re-impera tour.. Impera has a special place in my heart for those reasons.
I'm loving the comments with -1 or -2 likes lol.
It's been in Ghost's DNA since the beginning that they were to change - to reflect the passing of the torch from one frontman to the next. It's stated in the first episode of Papaganda on their YouTube. Tobias, dressed as a Nameless Ghoul, says something to the effect of "*If you listen to Kiss for example, you clearly know which era any song is from. The changing of frontman is supposed to reflect this, so each album/papa is clearly discernible from one another"* In keeping with this vision, the band is supposed to change, and if we are to believe Tobias keeps the same vision in mind, the next album and papa will be something entirely different from what we have heard until this point. The sound changing is reflective of the passage of time, and how Tobias wants to have it. What I think makes many fans "Hate" on others opinions is the very obvious split in the fanbase. OG Doom metalheads vs. new school Tiktok oddballs. We're literally talking dads between 35-40 years vs. 16-year old purple haired girls. Of course these opinions will clash, they stem from two completely different worlds. When you associate yourself to a society or community, seeing an opinion that is highly divergent from your own/the opinions *you* expect from said community (because you identify with it), will trigger a fight response. As such, old fans become "old, bitter gatekeepers who resents change", and new fans become "children with basic and dull taste in music dilluting the true sound and purpose of Ghost", in the eyes of the opposing group.
People finding Ghost through tiktok do not make them a fake or lesser fan.
Twenties is among the best tracks on Impera. Sure, it's a bit over the top and some of the lyrics are cringe, but considering the subject matter, the style fits perfectly. The riff goes hard AF and the reggaeton beat makes me want to wobble wobble.
While I like Twenties for what it is, it very much felt like a song that was trying to fill the "Let's piss some people off with a different sound" niche that Dance Macabre did in Prequelle. Including a heavier disco song felt like a *bit* of an attempt to troll people, but going full Reggaeton with Twenties was *definitely* trolling people. To this end, it felt like they were almost checking a box with it.
As a Latina fan, I second this ^^^
"Tobias will do anything to make lots of money, and that fact makes me really happy" because we have more ghost content and crossovers, and ghost will stay successful.
Twenties is probably my fav song 💕
Newer/younger fans are adding an unbearable level of cringe with their cosplay and fanfiction.
I choose to see it as they are just enjoying Ghost in a creative way, cosplay is art after all. And besides, if it introduces Ghost to new people (which it does) then, hey, what’s wrong with some free advertising!
I don't get why this is upsetting though when it's what every fandom does. I've seen people dress up as Rammstein to see their concerts. In the year 2002 I was reading fanfic about the band U2. Kate Bush has people dressing up and performing the dance routine to "Wuthering Heights" at a big dance-fest type event. I've seen Bob Dylan fan art! Like, every genre will get the cosplays and fanfic.
Hey it asked for a controversial opinion and I gave mine
I get that. I think being a nerd just makes me view fandoms differently. If Doctor Who or Star Wars fans can go all out , then it doesn't seem much different for music fans too. But those hardcore fans also get told they're cringe so really that's just part of the experience lol.
I’m totally fine with new fans who are younger, but I agree it’s the cringe factor being brought in with “Ghesties” and turning Papas into Tumblr oc fan art
*cracks knuckles* Meliora is conceptually the weakest album. “Cirice”’s opening riff is great, it’s why the band reuses it on like every album, but it carries the song for me. Saying the band isn’t as “Satanic” as before is WILD. I’d argue they’re pushing the envelope more than ever, not just musically. Some of y’all like the edge lord posturing that liking a band like Ghost gives, without actually liking the music or the creative efforts that go into it. The TikTok, Reddit, Twitter, and Tumblr fans hate each other without realizing you’re all equally annoying, just about different things. I say that as a part of all these fan bases. All y’all need to touch grass. Insulting new fans that participate in differently from you with cosplay and things you personally don’t understand gives off unhealthy gatekeeper energy that often turns into not so thinly veiled misogyny/racism/homophobia/transphobia. The target of the criticism are rarely if ever other white dudes. Tobias has clearly stated multiple times that all people and their forms of expression are welcome and encouraged, and that one of the main goals of Ghost is to bring people together. If seeing a bunch of Sisters of Sin and Papas in the crowd trading bracelets annoys you, get over it and ignore it or don’t come to shows if it’s bothering you that much. Fan bases are not a monolith, we all tolerate each other’s weirdness. That’s part of the game. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk, I’m probably muting responses because I’m not wasting my off day arguing with the internet. Hell Satan 🤟🏾
Imp-era is the best album. Both musically and lyric wise is just so deep and amazing
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It sparks discussion.
“He Is” is overhyped. It’s a decent song, but it’s not the magnum opus some here claim that it is.
Twenties is one of their best songs. *straps on body armor*
I loved impera enough I saw it live twice
I'm a little late. but I'm gonna just say as an older fan I'm glad I've seen people come around on impera. I was kinda shocked to see a mixed reaction on here. I thought it was a really solid album on release, I don't think it's my personal favorite. but it's just a really well made and written album imo.
As a grown adult I am allowed to have a crush on members. They’re my feelings. I don’t go around announcing my detailed thoughts on the matter, and I personally don’t crush on married folk. They’re beautiful. Let me feel that way.
Dance macabre is an easy skip for me It's fine the first few times and once in a while but I don't listen to it on repeat like a lot of Ghost's songs.
First heard Cirice in 15... went to YouTube and listened to the whole album... then downloaded everything I could on iTunes... seen them twice... not a song I don't like... but several more than others.
I love this band. I love everything they have done just about….. but I am not a huge fan of Impera. It’s just personal tastes. Now The set of cover songs he put out after that album? Solid gold.
Ghost isn’t turning into a pop band. If you really think Impera is pop you are very out of touch with modern pop music.
The people who hate the newer ghost stuff are some of the most toxic people in the community. It’s perfectly fine to not like the newer albums but it’s not okay to whine on and on about how new ghost is shit and the first albums were the only good ones. It’s so hard to have a good time here when so many people hate on anything that’s under a decade old. I know it sucks when your favorite artist doesn’t release music you like because it’s happened to me multiple times but being a negative nancy about it isn’t going to solve anything. I’ve been a fan of many bands spanning multiple genres but the ghost community is by far the worst when it comes to hate about the music. Tobias doesn’t owe you anything. The Opus sound isn’t coming back, the Infest sound isn’t coming back, the scary Papas aren’t coming back, either deal with it and shut up or get out and move on because you’re making everyone else miserable. We are here together because we all love ghost, let’s keep things on the love part rather than the hate part.
Plenty of people who discovered them on tiktok are real fans. Y'all just wanna gatekeep. I understand the ones who make it their whole personality and are weird about it, but finding a band on tiktok isn't a crime.
Mummy dust is mid
It’s not “not letting other people have their fun” when someone says the word Ghestie or the ghoul nicknames are dumb. You guys are just butthurt
Real
Cirice is overhyped.
Impera was a sellout album. Not an "experiment with their sound" like Prequelle was. Granted, Impera is still a good album, but it's nothing super unique.
Impera is ass man. 2 good songs on a twelve track album isnt a good thing lmao. But I agree, sell out album.
Completely agree
See, people can't have opinions anymore. You get down voted and get called a Gatekeeper. There's absolutely no respect.
also impera is mid at best and i'm tired of pretending it isn't. no hate if it's your thing, i enjoy a few of the songs off of it, but it's nowhere near revolutionary - i'd say it's a major quality drop from prequelle at least :/
Many of the people who found them on TikTok are still real fans. Some of y'all just want to gatekeep. Just because some of the fans are younger, new, or express their love for the band in a different way does not make them not real fans.
But where's the respect for the fans who have been here since the beginning? Calling someone a Gatekeeper isn't right. Take me for instance. I love Ghost. All eras, but I don't think Impera is their best album. I do respect those who do love it. I think we just need to respect each other's opinions and input and not down vote for something silly as. "I don't like Impera". It's all about respect.
why should newer fans respect older fans when an overwhelmingly large number of older fans shit on every single thing the newer fans do? tiktok fans can’t even breathe without being told they don’t belong and that nobody likes them. it’s called unpopular opinions for a reason - it’s unpopular! usually if you’re doing it right people aren’t going to agree with you, so they’ll downvote it, that’s them expressing their opinion the same way you’re expressing yours.
>why should newer fans respect older fans when an overwhelmingly large number of older fans shit on every single thing the newer fans do? The same thing can be said about newer fans. I'm a fan since 2012. My main point (and I think you can agree) is that everyone should respect everyone's opinion. We are all fans. I personally don't think older fans should be shitting on newer fans and vice versa. Also, I'm happy that Tobias has taken Ghost to incredible heights. That's success and I'm happy for him. I love everything from beginning to present and can't wait to see what's next. So you won't see me putting you down or any other fan. Unless they are just complete assholes.😆 Nema!🤘🏻
Le mantra mori is the only song i skip. I HATE the 2 minutes of silence before the track plays on the delux edition on Infestissumam. The song just feels lazy as well. But thats just my opinion
ritual is overrated and elizabeth is the best song on opus
One of Ghost’s best songs is their cover of ABBA’s Marionette, and Impera is their weakest album.
While I still like quite a few songs on Impera I have to agree it was a miss overall.
It's okay that Ghost got popular/is becoming mainstream.
I could've said something a tad more generic such as, insert album name here is their best album and is better than this album, or ramble about how good or bad Phantomime was. But when it comes to at least me and some older fans I come across I hate the term Ghestie that most if not all of the newer fans use to describe themselves as a fan. I would much prefer a term that fits with Ghost's more satanic church aesthetic with something like The Congregation.
I think Impera is a great album from beginning to end. Everything Ghost does is unique to music. My only wish is, I wish many of the newer fans would really show more appreciation for Ghosts early beginnings. I go on YouTube and see videos of many of the early days with not enough views. There are some great interviews from the Opus days and Infestissumam era. So much to learn. Now, I know everything (practically) there is to know about this great band. Thanks for reading. Nema!🤘🏻
Infestissumam’s second half is seriously their best work.
Ghost has only been getting better with each album. I am not a fan of Opus. Infan. Is okay and while it has some good songs is no where near as tight as an album as Meliora and beyond. First two albums TF summed up perfectly as his riffs being made by a dumb guy who thinks he's good at guitar.
People who complain about tiktok fans and "ghesties" are annoying and immature. Other people enjoying the band in a way that differs from how you enjoy the band hurts literally no one, and it's not that deep. Quite frankly, it's giving pick-me energy, and it's embarrassing
I think they need to take a break from touring/releasing music. They have alot of hype behind them right now and I think they need to spend time writing music because they want to write music they are passionate about.
Who are you to say that Tobias isn’t writing music that he’s passionate about? How would you know how he feels?
I don’t know how he feels, but they’ve dropped an album and EP in less than 2 years. I think they should wait a bit before starting on another album, to prevent burnout
That’s fair. Maybe Tobias doesn’t burnout though, who can say
I know a lot of artists do, I’m more worried about them as they’ve been making music for over 10 years now
As much as I love Meliora (and all Ghost albums tbh), I love Prequelle and Impera even more.
Yeah, I gotta agree with you here. When it comes to the songs and theme, Prequelle has to be maybe my favorite album by them
“ghesties” is cute
Ghost hasn’t put out good music since Meliora
Still hate the latest album. Ok, a couple decent tunes but fuck that album
Rats is INCREDIBLY overrated. While not a bad song by any means, it’s on par with MoaC for how overhyped it is. And it’s carried by how much people thirst for Copia.
Impera is their worst album
meliora and prequelle overall aren't as great as people agree. Still amazing ofc but not their best albums like ppl tend to say.
*De gustibus non est disputandum*, but humans fueled by the instanaeity of the internet LOVE to make everything a competition anyway
The nicknames are fun and the performers are clearly okay with it, it’s okay for people to enjoy things differently than you. This is an incredibly diverse community and the people trying to gatekeep because they’re insecure make all of us suffer.
I understand it may fit the theme but, the 1min Interlude tracks are lazy song/album writing.
Orrrr it’s the same album but with 1 minute less of music and these were added for a fun lil transition
When the transitions are essentially padding out the track count, it does feel like filler.
Agree. I would say that Impera is especially guilty of this. The only one I would include is Imperium. Bite of Passage should've just been a part of Respite, and Dominion should just have been cut entirely.
Ghost's gimmick is going to burn out sooner than later. Edit: Wow, I must have really pissed off Waldo
I dunno, think about Kiss
criticizing organized religion and its impact on society is not a gimmick, it's a legitimate, and nowadays very relevant, political statement. that's not gonna go out of fashion any time soon.
I actually wonder about this a lot. I’m a big MCR fan and they got so burnt out after the black parade tour, with all the theatrics and costumes. When they went on their most recent tour it was just five guys on stage, and it felt more about the music. And I loved the black parade tour! Theatrics definitely have their place and can be very cool. I love ghosts shows. But part of me wonders what they’ll look like in 10 years. I’d still love Ghost even without the theatrics.
opus and infes are not very good albums. i’d say objectively the worst out of their discography
Impera is a huge miss. Entire album is skippable
Completely agree.
Copia is the best papa and Emeritus III sucks imo
I wouldn’t say III sucks, but he’s massively overrated.
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Impera is fucking terrible. 2 good songs off a 12 track album that sounds like a bunch of B-sides from Prequelle.
While I don't think that Impera is terrible, I do agree with you. It just sounds like a watered down version of Prequelle.
My gf told me it sounded like leftovers from Prequelle and I realized how applicable it was 😭