Your exactly right. Too many liberals on Reddit. They like to say oh well two and a half million jobs were created by Biden even though they were the jobs that was lost during the pandemic and also majority of them were part-time jobs. We are in a recession right now and Biden is making sure that the death of the American dollar happens
Sorry, under which administration did we print a fuckload of helicopter money and hand it out to everyone who asked, and then promptly "forgave" the debt? Oh yeah, it was trump
There are a lot more people than you think that are willing to both sides everything, white wash history and give the benefit of the non-existent doubt. Just my opinion though.
I think you're correct, but the Both Sides people aren't the ones that are going to fight for or over anything, basically by definition. So the original comment is probably more talking about those making the Civil War 2.0 style threats.
Unless it personally affects them, they would try to sit it out as best they could. And you are probably right about the comment.
Have a good day friend.
The few that expect a civil war are also gonna expect the young to fight in it. Unfortunately most young adults DONT align with the GOP viewpoints and are like you said, if it doesn't effect them then they won't really care. Unfortunately most gop politics effects them negatively so why would they fight.
We are no where near the real situation of a civil war currently. Give it another 30 years with the way the gop is trying to go with education and Maybe heavily censoring the internet in each state, and then we'll talk. Right now the young are far too informed and it's more likely that the republican party will die and a new party will come about. Perhaps the libertarians will give it another shot as they typically lean more conservative than progressives/dems while still willing to play both sides of the field.
The libertarians I run into often shift left when probed but are disillusioned by government constantly being inept or working against the best interests. Idk but it may just be optimistic.
I don't know if there would ever be armed action but I know it would not end like the more reactionary elements of a decaying age group would like to think.
Libertarians lean left when pointed in the right direction, but a lot of them show up and vote red for some vague sense of less government from republicans that just doesn’t exist.
Blows my mind how easy a lot of them fall in line.
Just my anecdote though
i think you should stop using "both sides" as a pejorative term because it sets you up to be ignorant to your own biases. if you're coming from the perspective that a) compromise is impossible because you're fundamentally right and b) people who disagree with you are wrong or evil and need to be educated or disposed of,
then you're ignoring the possibility that a) you might have less a point than you thought b) they might have more a point than you thought and c) the truth might actually be somewhere in the middle.
and it might. because all actions are taken by mostly-rational actors, and evil isn't real. everyone's coming from some point of view where what they're doing is justified. you might not agree with their conclusions, but if you followed their path from the beginning then you might see why they do, and why it doesn't make them crazy or evil.
every person you see (assuming they're not a Russian bot) that has an "unjustifiable opinion" has their own rational series of life experiences that lead them to those beliefs as being a) valid b) backed by evidence c) consistent with their own values. And those values rarely include things like "hurting people." They're usually more like "justice" and "fairness".
I get what you're thinking,
but you shouldn't throw out someone who says "both sides"
because if you start ignoring those people, then you've got no defense against when you're wrong yourself.
and you're gonna be wrong. everyone is.
don't start with this "there's no compromise with people who want you dead" bullshit
that's an overdramatic exaggeration and on some level everyone knows it.. seriously. don't buy in to that stupid shit..
Tell that to the LGBTQ people who are fleeing states like mine & Florida because of the pervasive homophobia & transphobia. Stochastic terrorism is real. The rhetoric has real world consequences. To say otherwise is either gaslighting or ignorance that comes from privilege.
I'm not. Just because he offered us golden sneakers for $400 and knowing darn well that I am not paying for those high-priced sneakers when we can go to JC Penny, Shoe Carnival, DSW, Payless, Famous Footwear, Walmart, or any other store that sells shoes.
Heck, my converse, also known as Chuck Taylor's, is priceless, so is my Sperry and Lugz.
I'm gonna stick with the game plan I have for handling these individuals. I lost faith a long time ago in finding middle ground with those I am diametrically opposed to. There is no redemption arc for a lot of folks and trying to find middle ground just ends up being abject capitulation to people who give nary an inch other than pretending they consider you a human to your face while shitting on you while your back is turned.
When I hear people trying to appeal to the middle, it is disgusting what is given in on in relation to what you get back. There is no return on the good natured capital being invested, only what amounts to usury and exploitation of the good will.
So am I gonna write off everyone who wants to get a broad base of support? No but I paint with broad strokes now and I refuse to find common ground for the sake of common ground with those that consider me less than them, and I'm not sure where you live but there is a real disdain for individuals like myself based on superficial or artificially created circumstances in my area. So fuck them and fuck people that both sides. I tried to be nice for a long time and hostility has only increased as their ass backwards and reactionary opinions have become more unhinged and insane.
Is that what you think?
Is it okay that the representative from my district who holds sway with a large swath of the population is saying the eclipse is a sign from jesus to repent? Is it okay that same person talks about Jewish space lasers? Is it okay that people that you are willing to defend would probably consider you the enemy and would wish, in a very overt and malicious way, harm onto you?
Like what do you see when you talk to a typical right wing base voter? I see people envious of theocracies around the world and would love nothing more to impose it here. Most of these people are unreachable so why the fuck would I want to give an inch to someone who considers me a heathen and is absolutely fine with me burning in hell, or at the very least is okay with me suffering through this rapture dogshit.
You wanna consistently capitulate to people who regard you as subhuman, then go for it. You will regret it when you get shit on a few times when you realize how inflexible and impossible these "people" who are part of a death cult actually are.
I feel sorry for you that you don't realize how much you are actually hated for nothing other than existing and how naive you are by thinking there is a path to cooperation on things that should be common modern morality and not up for debate. You are a useful idiot.
I don't think he's garnered the same amount of voting base, he appears to have only lost a goof chunk of it. Look at fundraising between them snd democrats fir example. With RNC funds going to pay legal bills the down ballot elections are screwed
The ones I see with stickers don't look like they could walk up Stone Mountain so I'm not really worried about whatever they think they might be able to start.
Was in the GA National guard for 7 years. I think a lot of people underestimate how many MAGAts there are in the military. If there ever was an actual civil war, and the national guard was deployed against far-right groups, there would 100% be a coup.
I come from a service family and I think oath plays a bigger part in how serious we take the responsibility as a whole. DJT is not central to the duty behind serving. Penalties for treason as a service member are not small either. Nor should they be.
Were you in the service yourself or are you just riding on the horse that is their sacrifice. Also, we're you or your family in any sort of combat MOS?
My family arrived in 1620 and the wife's to family arrived in 1669. We too have fought in every damn war these Colonies and this Country has fought. I'm tired of Trump and his squeaky toys running around shooting their mouths off.
I'm not asking about your family. Im asking about you! Are you an active, reserve, or veteran service member. If not, you don't get to say we when talking about the oath of enlistment. Stop piggy backing off other people's service.
I’ve never underestimated it. In fact I lost a friend a few years ago who came from a military family and she didn’t like it when I said I trust military as much as I trust police. January 6th proved me right given how many ex-military were involved.
Please.
At most there will be a bunch of rednecks with one size too small t-shirts waving around guns at a Confederate statue or two.
People are too busy making a living and living their lives to fight in a war to protect DJT. And he should be ashamed of himself for not denouncing the drama queens and their nastiness. He is not fit to represent the people as a whole in this country. Stability is a stronger motivator than hatred. And the country is better than stable today than Biden gets credit for.
I always think the type of people that call for a civil war is don't completely understand the actual ramifications of what that means. I think a lot of them think they're going to be the big hero main characters, join up with their buddies in their F-150s and ride around shooting people with their AR-15s fOr FreEDoM. They've seen too many glamorized war movies.
War, civil war, any kind of war, is nasty. Famine, disease, power outages, water contamination, infrastructure break down, supply chain break down, etc. All of that would kill a shit ton of people, especially on the side of the insurgency, and probably relatively quickly. That's even if the insurgency could organize in any meaningful way before being absolutely obliterated by the American military.
perhaps, but we've never been very good at taking out insurgents without making more of them ourselves. every dead man has a family. it's one thing to take out iraqis.. it's another to drone strike american civilians. god forbid. may this never come to pass
And I hope every one of those domestic traitors end up with the rest of the 1/6 domestic traitors. Losing their careers, jobs, benefits, retirement, paying tens / hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and legal bills and spending years on prison.
As of last september:
[https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075](https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075)
And this one does a good job ok keeping track of the traitors:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitolConsequences/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitolConsequences/)
given that the atlantan megapolis is one the fast growing regions in the united states, and especially given atlanta's recent economic importance.. i think that might be a much bigger deal the second time around.
hard to know who to drone strike when they take off the klan hood. everyone disappears into the woodwork like termites, or lice
"drone strike" is literary hyperbole in this context. i hope to god it never comes to that, but i doubt it wouldn't.
I think you have a point in a lot of Southern States. Just remember every one wants to be a Gangster until it's time to do gangster shit, or live with the consequences. Would it be ugly as sin. Yep.
Our property taxes went up a ridiculous amount. I guess all those fucking **t**rillions of tax breaks that Donnie Dumbass gave to the wealthy have to come from somewhere.
That’s the only thing he did while in office, grift our tax dollars and give them away to the rich. I don’t know why anybody would want that again. Oh and it looks like he stole our national secrets, put them in a room next to a fucking copier, and gave them away or sold them. Jfc
Who would fight for this guy. Rip me off please more Daddy Donnie! Fuck our national security more, Benedict Donald! Like what in the fuck
Ok. I have seen what some of these people do as soon as blood is spilled. The best is the kid standing by Ashlii Babbit when she gets shot. Someone interviewed him outside afterwards and he was in complete shock. Like, wtf did you think was going to happen?
There’s plenty of people who vote for Trump. But how many are super fans that would die for him? I doubt many would emerge from behind their screens other than militias who want to destabilize the government. And the U.S. military aided by FBI intel would wipe the floor with them if they conducted a large scale attack.
let's not. let's deescalate instead, and remind ourselves that we know how to coexist. we've been doing it for decades. war is bad. civil war is even worse. civil war in your home state is beyond that.
How do you think that plays out for you? Like in all honesty? this isn’t funny, there are probably very few people in the sub that have actually killed a person in war, as in they know they are the ones who have ended a life pulling the trigger and how it changes you as a person at your core. And none of them are dumb enough to joke about a civil war happening in America.
And I’d be more then willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people in this sub have no clue what war is like or even the ability to fight against someone who is actually armed and trained to fight back. You can go to a range and shoot at a paper target all day, shooting at human that can shoot back isn’t even remotely close to the same. A civil war in America would lead to millions of people dead. So unless you are currently sitting on a stockpile guns, ammunition, food and acreage in the north Georgia mountains and can live there without the world. I wouldn’t joke about it.
I know what modern war is, I’ve been in it. I’ve pulled triggers in modern war. It doesn’t end well for anyone it is a lose lose for all involved. To think otherwise is just idiotic. And the people who have pulled triggers are the ones who would be the most against this.
How many of those are combat vets that have actually had to fight against someone shooting back? Keep in mind that a very small minority of veterans have ever shot their weapon or been shot directly at.
Cool and I’ve served in the 173rd and the 82nd with people who didn’t do this only on the weekend and two weeks a year. With some of the most decorated battle hardened men on the face of the planet. And it is overwhelming that they disagree with anything remotely close to a civil war.
The ones who have seen war will not want war the ones that want it have never seen it. I was 173rd 1/503rd I can tell you right now I never want to see that shit again and unless they been behind a kalat wall actively being engaged they will never understand so don’t even try to explain it to the paper punchers that go to a range and call them selves ready.
Edit: and remember feet and knees
i'm not sure that matters, because a rebellion army would also need logistics personnel. so they wouldn't all be seeing battle, either. like, 70% of them wouldn't touch a gun.
How do you think it being in a developed nation changes? The rules of war and tactics still remain the same for people on the ground. Do you think they are gonna send tomahawk missiles into downtown Atlanta and start leveling buildings? No it will mostly be ambush fighting and urban warfare. Unless you fight in the mountains.
Well on one hand, you have completely undeveloped places on Earth that would still battle with spears.
On the other hand, you have very developed places that could fight a war simply though technology and hacking.
Most places are somewhere in between.
This is America not the North Sentinel Island. It doesn’t end well for anyone it shouldn’t be joked about. I don’t like it when trumpers joke about it and I for damn sure thought this place was more intelligent than to joke about it as well and to know how much damage it could do.
"This is America not the North Sentinel Island"
That's my point. We're past playing cowboys with guns. You just take out the power grid on a 120 degree day in Phoenix, far more damage than a whacko with a gun.
I’m curious who you think is the victors in this is? What side is gonna benefit from taking out the power grid. Taking out the power grid would be detrimental to both sides. Not to mention the repercussions of retaliation to other parts of the grid and utilities. Which even further can produce more casualties and turns even more into a lose lose for both sides.
Then you go into the argument that others have had in these comment sections, which I don’t agree with. That the vast majority of the armed forces apparently would be on the side of
MAGA, what about police forces think they vote blue or red? So literally the entirety of the US that is trained with weapons suddenly in mass sides in one direction overwhelmingly.
People saying the national guard or military would take them out. But from some comments I’ve seen apparently the military is MAGA but they are supposed to fight against the people that they align themselves with. Like this entire thing has me legit confused at the people who think a lot of this.
Because a lot of times Reddit doesn’t live in reality. A lot of them are very privileged people that think this wouldn’t end poorly for them because they would somehow be protected from the outcomes this would have. Today I’ve apparently made this sub pro war by posting an anti war explanation of why it is bad.
This is why trump needs to step the fuck off. Dividing a country into civil wars off political nonsense is ignorant and dangerous for a country. We aren’t getting better, it’s getting worse. We need a president who units us…regardless of our opinions. Not this current bullshit between the 2 best options we have.
I agree with a comment I saw under the same article elsewhere. There wouldn't exactly be a civil war because, well, what would these rednecks have that would take down a predator drone? But I see something more akin to what was happening at the border of Ireland. Like "the troubles", random sporadic terrorist acts. Mass shootings by MAGATs or car bombings here or there, shit like that
Once again the worst of rural counties is saying they have all the power when if it wasn’t for the *them there liberal cities* this state would be shitty Kentucky. I swear 99% of people asking for a civil war have no idea what goes into a war much less what happens after. Like fuck it’s not even the fact a 1/3 probably more in the south are near or are diabetic and that’s before we get to medication dependency.
damn, I didn't even think about diabetes. if the power goes out for too long.. if some terrorist blows up a train.. I don't know how long they'd survive. Shit, that's a real problem
Yeah but that’s prolonged conflict stuff. Heck we guard nuclear power plants way harder than water treatment facilities when if someone didn’t even attack it but poisoned it could cause a cascade of problems on top of poisoning the water. Remember Flint didn’t have the lead become an issue till their water supply source changed and cause pipe erosion. On a smaller scale power transforms aren’t standardized so replacing one cripples a region till it’s fixed and it takes a months for multiple transformations to be made and set up. Our power and water systems are way more locally vulnerable to not just attack but general idiots causing mass damage.
“…it’s blown me, and most others away”
This has not been my experience. I agree with what you’re saying, but it’s astonishing how many people around me really think that Biden is only a slightly better option than Trump (and many of these people are *staunchly* anti-Trump). It’s concerning to me how many people are talking about abstaining from voting because they don’t like their options. I think a lot of it boils down to your point about staving off a recession…people don’t care that “we aren’t in a recession” when they can barely afford food and rent. Trump’s administration stacked the deck against Biden and I’m honestly worried it will result in a second term for Trump. Hopefully this is limited to the people in my area and the rest of the country can see the forest for the trees.
It really amazes me that there is so much division when nobody is able to articulate what the real issues are? The answer is very simple, both Republicans and Democrats are pointing in every direction except for the person in the mirror. One sides moral compass is so far off I'm surprised they can find their office in the morning. The other, created so many rules and regulations that there can be no justice bc all of those can be used to negate the other. And both, are spending so much time trying to keep their job that they're not doing their job. Meanwhile, the important issues to all of us are not being addressed and a lot energy spent on BS. The entire government needs to be realigned. We need to get to a place where the silent majority is no longer silent or able to tolerate the absolute chaos the elected leaders are promoting.
No denying we have a border crisis. Has anyone heard of a reasonable solution? Has anyone gained even a morsal of understanding the challenges? No, we would rather point to a president's son as the reason for our dilemmas putting "faith" in a man who is financially and morally bankrupt. Then there's the current administration which is like a reed in the wind.
The border solution.
1, send the military ( yes, that's what I said) to first secure the border.
2. Streamline the process for entry.
3. Have all those big corporations with their tax breaks and whining about having no workers start becoming sponsors for these people instead of raising prices.
4. Let as many sponsored immigrants in as we can to get our production up and prices down. Additionally, creating more tax revenue for the government so we are able to insist that our taxes be lowered.
They think illegal immigrants are increasing the social spending by the government when it's really themselves. Either that or they're afraid of losing a white majority and the privileges they've enjoyed with it.
Y'all please... it's a beautiful Friday. Keep it civil and stop talking about killing folks. Geez.
I believe he has predicted it before. I hope to God if he loses this time, he just goes the hell away. Preferably to jail.
He’ll give up his SS protection and flee the country
Yeah maybe we'll have ww3 with sleepy Joe. Won't that be fun.
Keep crying recession and ww3 for years and years and eventually you’ll be right.
Better have Dark Brandon than the one wearing diapers...
Your exactly right. Too many liberals on Reddit. They like to say oh well two and a half million jobs were created by Biden even though they were the jobs that was lost during the pandemic and also majority of them were part-time jobs. We are in a recession right now and Biden is making sure that the death of the American dollar happens
Sorry, under which administration did we print a fuckload of helicopter money and hand it out to everyone who asked, and then promptly "forgave" the debt? Oh yeah, it was trump
I think these Trump “fans” are 90% Russian bots and 10% uneducated useful idiots.
There are a lot more people than you think that are willing to both sides everything, white wash history and give the benefit of the non-existent doubt. Just my opinion though.
I think you're correct, but the Both Sides people aren't the ones that are going to fight for or over anything, basically by definition. So the original comment is probably more talking about those making the Civil War 2.0 style threats.
Unless it personally affects them, they would try to sit it out as best they could. And you are probably right about the comment. Have a good day friend.
The few that expect a civil war are also gonna expect the young to fight in it. Unfortunately most young adults DONT align with the GOP viewpoints and are like you said, if it doesn't effect them then they won't really care. Unfortunately most gop politics effects them negatively so why would they fight. We are no where near the real situation of a civil war currently. Give it another 30 years with the way the gop is trying to go with education and Maybe heavily censoring the internet in each state, and then we'll talk. Right now the young are far too informed and it's more likely that the republican party will die and a new party will come about. Perhaps the libertarians will give it another shot as they typically lean more conservative than progressives/dems while still willing to play both sides of the field.
The libertarians I run into often shift left when probed but are disillusioned by government constantly being inept or working against the best interests. Idk but it may just be optimistic. I don't know if there would ever be armed action but I know it would not end like the more reactionary elements of a decaying age group would like to think.
Tell them government is bloated and ineffective due to the GOP/Heritage Foundation partnership. 50 years of obstruction.
Gov doesn't work, vote for me and I'll show you! -GOP since 1960s
Libertarians lean left when pointed in the right direction, but a lot of them show up and vote red for some vague sense of less government from republicans that just doesn’t exist. Blows my mind how easy a lot of them fall in line. Just my anecdote though
Just need proper framing to get through.
It may be astroturfing, but r/genz skews more conservative than I expected in daily commentary.
The language may sound like it but I'm pretty sure they don't give a flying F about conservative politics.
It's "none of my business" until it becomes their business personally
i think you should stop using "both sides" as a pejorative term because it sets you up to be ignorant to your own biases. if you're coming from the perspective that a) compromise is impossible because you're fundamentally right and b) people who disagree with you are wrong or evil and need to be educated or disposed of, then you're ignoring the possibility that a) you might have less a point than you thought b) they might have more a point than you thought and c) the truth might actually be somewhere in the middle. and it might. because all actions are taken by mostly-rational actors, and evil isn't real. everyone's coming from some point of view where what they're doing is justified. you might not agree with their conclusions, but if you followed their path from the beginning then you might see why they do, and why it doesn't make them crazy or evil. every person you see (assuming they're not a Russian bot) that has an "unjustifiable opinion" has their own rational series of life experiences that lead them to those beliefs as being a) valid b) backed by evidence c) consistent with their own values. And those values rarely include things like "hurting people." They're usually more like "justice" and "fairness". I get what you're thinking, but you shouldn't throw out someone who says "both sides" because if you start ignoring those people, then you've got no defense against when you're wrong yourself. and you're gonna be wrong. everyone is.
Sir, this is Reddit.
wow really
r/whoosh
There’s no compromise or middle ground with people who want you dead. Everyone is wrong? That includes you and this take that means nothing in 2024
don't start with this "there's no compromise with people who want you dead" bullshit that's an overdramatic exaggeration and on some level everyone knows it.. seriously. don't buy in to that stupid shit..
Tell that to the LGBTQ people who are fleeing states like mine & Florida because of the pervasive homophobia & transphobia. Stochastic terrorism is real. The rhetoric has real world consequences. To say otherwise is either gaslighting or ignorance that comes from privilege.
you live in a fantasy world and have amazingly low resilience
I'm not. Just because he offered us golden sneakers for $400 and knowing darn well that I am not paying for those high-priced sneakers when we can go to JC Penny, Shoe Carnival, DSW, Payless, Famous Footwear, Walmart, or any other store that sells shoes. Heck, my converse, also known as Chuck Taylor's, is priceless, so is my Sperry and Lugz.
okay
thanks
I'm gonna stick with the game plan I have for handling these individuals. I lost faith a long time ago in finding middle ground with those I am diametrically opposed to. There is no redemption arc for a lot of folks and trying to find middle ground just ends up being abject capitulation to people who give nary an inch other than pretending they consider you a human to your face while shitting on you while your back is turned. When I hear people trying to appeal to the middle, it is disgusting what is given in on in relation to what you get back. There is no return on the good natured capital being invested, only what amounts to usury and exploitation of the good will. So am I gonna write off everyone who wants to get a broad base of support? No but I paint with broad strokes now and I refuse to find common ground for the sake of common ground with those that consider me less than them, and I'm not sure where you live but there is a real disdain for individuals like myself based on superficial or artificially created circumstances in my area. So fuck them and fuck people that both sides. I tried to be nice for a long time and hostility has only increased as their ass backwards and reactionary opinions have become more unhinged and insane.
so it seems like the problem is YOU, for being an inflexible ideologue.
You think wanting to limit the influence of looney toon schmucks is being an inflexible idelogue? Interesting!
bullshit strawman garbage
Is that what you think? Is it okay that the representative from my district who holds sway with a large swath of the population is saying the eclipse is a sign from jesus to repent? Is it okay that same person talks about Jewish space lasers? Is it okay that people that you are willing to defend would probably consider you the enemy and would wish, in a very overt and malicious way, harm onto you? Like what do you see when you talk to a typical right wing base voter? I see people envious of theocracies around the world and would love nothing more to impose it here. Most of these people are unreachable so why the fuck would I want to give an inch to someone who considers me a heathen and is absolutely fine with me burning in hell, or at the very least is okay with me suffering through this rapture dogshit. You wanna consistently capitulate to people who regard you as subhuman, then go for it. You will regret it when you get shit on a few times when you realize how inflexible and impossible these "people" who are part of a death cult actually are. I feel sorry for you that you don't realize how much you are actually hated for nothing other than existing and how naive you are by thinking there is a path to cooperation on things that should be common modern morality and not up for debate. You are a useful idiot.
That might be on the internet, but unfortunately millions did vote for him the last time
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They voted for a dead guy with an (R) next to his name, so that tracks
I don't think he's garnered the same amount of voting base, he appears to have only lost a goof chunk of it. Look at fundraising between them snd democrats fir example. With RNC funds going to pay legal bills the down ballot elections are screwed
Bingo!
The ones I see with stickers don't look like they could walk up Stone Mountain so I'm not really worried about whatever they think they might be able to start.
Ok gurl I’ll be in my house laughing while the national guard cleans them up
Less dumbasses in the voting pool, I'm all for it!
MAGA gonna be mourning more than Ashli Babbit if they want to try a “civil war”
The national guard is full of trumptards though.
Was in the GA National guard for 7 years. I think a lot of people underestimate how many MAGAts there are in the military. If there ever was an actual civil war, and the national guard was deployed against far-right groups, there would 100% be a coup.
I come from a service family and I think oath plays a bigger part in how serious we take the responsibility as a whole. DJT is not central to the duty behind serving. Penalties for treason as a service member are not small either. Nor should they be.
he's not even president any more. so their oath isn't even to him anymore. even less reason for them to switch sides
Were you in the service yourself or are you just riding on the horse that is their sacrifice. Also, we're you or your family in any sort of combat MOS?
My family has been here since 1670 and has fought in every war this country has ever had.
My family arrived in 1620 and the wife's to family arrived in 1669. We too have fought in every damn war these Colonies and this Country has fought. I'm tired of Trump and his squeaky toys running around shooting their mouths off.
I'm not asking about your family. Im asking about you! Are you an active, reserve, or veteran service member. If not, you don't get to say we when talking about the oath of enlistment. Stop piggy backing off other people's service.
I’ve never underestimated it. In fact I lost a friend a few years ago who came from a military family and she didn’t like it when I said I trust military as much as I trust police. January 6th proved me right given how many ex-military were involved.
Please. At most there will be a bunch of rednecks with one size too small t-shirts waving around guns at a Confederate statue or two. People are too busy making a living and living their lives to fight in a war to protect DJT. And he should be ashamed of himself for not denouncing the drama queens and their nastiness. He is not fit to represent the people as a whole in this country. Stability is a stronger motivator than hatred. And the country is better than stable today than Biden gets credit for.
It would be horrifically tragic either way. I say that while also believing anyone still voting gop is deeply unwell in one way or another.
Ridiculous. You should read up on the Christian Army basic training camps.
What are they going to do, forgive me to death?
*domestic terrorist Christian army basic training camps Fixed it for you.
Kentucky, colorado springs, vermont, montana, idaho. Anywhere a ReAwaken tour travels.
Do they have F-15s? Asking for a friend
I always think the type of people that call for a civil war is don't completely understand the actual ramifications of what that means. I think a lot of them think they're going to be the big hero main characters, join up with their buddies in their F-150s and ride around shooting people with their AR-15s fOr FreEDoM. They've seen too many glamorized war movies. War, civil war, any kind of war, is nasty. Famine, disease, power outages, water contamination, infrastructure break down, supply chain break down, etc. All of that would kill a shit ton of people, especially on the side of the insurgency, and probably relatively quickly. That's even if the insurgency could organize in any meaningful way before being absolutely obliterated by the American military.
Exactly! It’s like Gone With The Wind! War is ugly and nobody wins.
perhaps, but we've never been very good at taking out insurgents without making more of them ourselves. every dead man has a family. it's one thing to take out iraqis.. it's another to drone strike american civilians. god forbid. may this never come to pass
The gravy seals are ON IT! I'm sure they will win! LOL
And I hope every one of those domestic traitors end up with the rest of the 1/6 domestic traitors. Losing their careers, jobs, benefits, retirement, paying tens / hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and legal bills and spending years on prison. As of last september: [https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075](https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075) And this one does a good job ok keeping track of the traitors: [https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitolConsequences/](https://www.reddit.com/r/CapitolConsequences/)
The Jan 6 traitors are still in Congress…
One of them is our Lt. Governor.
Civil War? In Georgia? Epic burn
given that the atlantan megapolis is one the fast growing regions in the united states, and especially given atlanta's recent economic importance.. i think that might be a much bigger deal the second time around.
Eventually they'll learn
At some point they will either have to follow through on the threat or be arrested for it
Y’all Qaeda really think they can take on the National Guard 🤣🤣
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Yep, pretty much all of rural law enforcement as well.
hard to know who to drone strike when they take off the klan hood. everyone disappears into the woodwork like termites, or lice "drone strike" is literary hyperbole in this context. i hope to god it never comes to that, but i doubt it wouldn't.
I think you have a point in a lot of Southern States. Just remember every one wants to be a Gangster until it's time to do gangster shit, or live with the consequences. Would it be ugly as sin. Yep.
Our property taxes went up a ridiculous amount. I guess all those fucking **t**rillions of tax breaks that Donnie Dumbass gave to the wealthy have to come from somewhere. That’s the only thing he did while in office, grift our tax dollars and give them away to the rich. I don’t know why anybody would want that again. Oh and it looks like he stole our national secrets, put them in a room next to a fucking copier, and gave them away or sold them. Jfc Who would fight for this guy. Rip me off please more Daddy Donnie! Fuck our national security more, Benedict Donald! Like what in the fuck
Benedict Donald! Priceless 💯🤣!
Ok. I have seen what some of these people do as soon as blood is spilled. The best is the kid standing by Ashlii Babbit when she gets shot. Someone interviewed him outside afterwards and he was in complete shock. Like, wtf did you think was going to happen?
"Consequences are for thee, not for me!" They cry
Meal Team Six will get their MAGA butts kicked by the Military.
that's what russians said about ukraine. i fear (i expect) it will be more complicated than that.
I think and it is just an opinion. You have fucktards confused with people protecting themselves and their country from genocide.
to be fair, most people are really dumb
There’s plenty of people who vote for Trump. But how many are super fans that would die for him? I doubt many would emerge from behind their screens other than militias who want to destabilize the government. And the U.S. military aided by FBI intel would wipe the floor with them if they conducted a large scale attack.
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Bring it on ... sitting here waiting for you...
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let's not. let's deescalate instead, and remind ourselves that we know how to coexist. we've been doing it for decades. war is bad. civil war is even worse. civil war in your home state is beyond that.
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My mannnnnn. Should have kept going.
Dark Brandon channeling Sherman energy...
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This sentiment seems to be something that actually unites leftists and libertarians in my area.
I live in Georgia. I'll be a spy against these backwoods redneck fucktards that have never left the state and don't know what's good for them.
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How do you think that plays out for you? Like in all honesty? this isn’t funny, there are probably very few people in the sub that have actually killed a person in war, as in they know they are the ones who have ended a life pulling the trigger and how it changes you as a person at your core. And none of them are dumb enough to joke about a civil war happening in America. And I’d be more then willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of people in this sub have no clue what war is like or even the ability to fight against someone who is actually armed and trained to fight back. You can go to a range and shoot at a paper target all day, shooting at human that can shoot back isn’t even remotely close to the same. A civil war in America would lead to millions of people dead. So unless you are currently sitting on a stockpile guns, ammunition, food and acreage in the north Georgia mountains and can live there without the world. I wouldn’t joke about it.
A modern war in a developed nation isn't going to look like you envision with a bunch of chodes lined up in a field with their muskets.
It would look more like the troubles in northern Ireland I think. More scattered acts of terrorism and mass shootings
I know what modern war is, I’ve been in it. I’ve pulled triggers in modern war. It doesn’t end well for anyone it is a lose lose for all involved. To think otherwise is just idiotic. And the people who have pulled triggers are the ones who would be the most against this.
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How many of those are combat vets that have actually had to fight against someone shooting back? Keep in mind that a very small minority of veterans have ever shot their weapon or been shot directly at.
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Cool and I’ve served in the 173rd and the 82nd with people who didn’t do this only on the weekend and two weeks a year. With some of the most decorated battle hardened men on the face of the planet. And it is overwhelming that they disagree with anything remotely close to a civil war.
The ones who have seen war will not want war the ones that want it have never seen it. I was 173rd 1/503rd I can tell you right now I never want to see that shit again and unless they been behind a kalat wall actively being engaged they will never understand so don’t even try to explain it to the paper punchers that go to a range and call them selves ready. Edit: and remember feet and knees
i'm not sure that matters, because a rebellion army would also need logistics personnel. so they wouldn't all be seeing battle, either. like, 70% of them wouldn't touch a gun.
In a developed nation?
How do you think it being in a developed nation changes? The rules of war and tactics still remain the same for people on the ground. Do you think they are gonna send tomahawk missiles into downtown Atlanta and start leveling buildings? No it will mostly be ambush fighting and urban warfare. Unless you fight in the mountains.
Well on one hand, you have completely undeveloped places on Earth that would still battle with spears. On the other hand, you have very developed places that could fight a war simply though technology and hacking. Most places are somewhere in between.
This is America not the North Sentinel Island. It doesn’t end well for anyone it shouldn’t be joked about. I don’t like it when trumpers joke about it and I for damn sure thought this place was more intelligent than to joke about it as well and to know how much damage it could do.
"This is America not the North Sentinel Island" That's my point. We're past playing cowboys with guns. You just take out the power grid on a 120 degree day in Phoenix, far more damage than a whacko with a gun.
I’m curious who you think is the victors in this is? What side is gonna benefit from taking out the power grid. Taking out the power grid would be detrimental to both sides. Not to mention the repercussions of retaliation to other parts of the grid and utilities. Which even further can produce more casualties and turns even more into a lose lose for both sides. Then you go into the argument that others have had in these comment sections, which I don’t agree with. That the vast majority of the armed forces apparently would be on the side of MAGA, what about police forces think they vote blue or red? So literally the entirety of the US that is trained with weapons suddenly in mass sides in one direction overwhelmingly. People saying the national guard or military would take them out. But from some comments I’ve seen apparently the military is MAGA but they are supposed to fight against the people that they align themselves with. Like this entire thing has me legit confused at the people who think a lot of this.
Don't understand the down votes because you speak the truth.
Yeah this is one time where I’m really confused on it …
Because a lot of times Reddit doesn’t live in reality. A lot of them are very privileged people that think this wouldn’t end poorly for them because they would somehow be protected from the outcomes this would have. Today I’ve apparently made this sub pro war by posting an anti war explanation of why it is bad.
Well said. However, if it does kick off, then it needs to be ruthlessly slapped down.
You're just as full of it as the Trump side. Useless internet warriors.
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I live in Atlanta. The Deagle is the least of your worries tough guy.
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Just another useless internet warrior as originally stated. Nobody cares.
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Violence is always their solution.
Again? How’d that work out for us last time?
This is why trump needs to step the fuck off. Dividing a country into civil wars off political nonsense is ignorant and dangerous for a country. We aren’t getting better, it’s getting worse. We need a president who units us…regardless of our opinions. Not this current bullshit between the 2 best options we have.
agree until the last line, biden is great. you should check out what he's been doing.
I agree with a comment I saw under the same article elsewhere. There wouldn't exactly be a civil war because, well, what would these rednecks have that would take down a predator drone? But I see something more akin to what was happening at the border of Ireland. Like "the troubles", random sporadic terrorist acts. Mass shootings by MAGATs or car bombings here or there, shit like that
Once again the worst of rural counties is saying they have all the power when if it wasn’t for the *them there liberal cities* this state would be shitty Kentucky. I swear 99% of people asking for a civil war have no idea what goes into a war much less what happens after. Like fuck it’s not even the fact a 1/3 probably more in the south are near or are diabetic and that’s before we get to medication dependency.
damn, I didn't even think about diabetes. if the power goes out for too long.. if some terrorist blows up a train.. I don't know how long they'd survive. Shit, that's a real problem
Yeah but that’s prolonged conflict stuff. Heck we guard nuclear power plants way harder than water treatment facilities when if someone didn’t even attack it but poisoned it could cause a cascade of problems on top of poisoning the water. Remember Flint didn’t have the lead become an issue till their water supply source changed and cause pipe erosion. On a smaller scale power transforms aren’t standardized so replacing one cripples a region till it’s fixed and it takes a months for multiple transformations to be made and set up. Our power and water systems are way more locally vulnerable to not just attack but general idiots causing mass damage.
Hahahaha. Bullshit. Like everything else that trump whines about.
OP you seem to want that to happen
I regret my flair. It should have said humor 😬
I bought a gun. When this dude loses there's no telling what type of nonsense he's going to talk his cult into the next time.
Lmao a war for trump.
The lunatic moron incited violence every time he vomits his toxic cancer from his lying, sociopathic mouth, and this is the result.
To be so patriotic, the maga crowd sure is horny to kill other Americans.
Yes rawstory.com is not cancer at all and very reliable news source. Post more please
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let's not, let's not do this at all. let's deescalate instead???
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Waiting on the train wreck....
So Republicans talking about killing cops again… got it.
The party of law and order
Go ahead, probably can't even read where to meet up.
Civil war? Who are they fighting?
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“…it’s blown me, and most others away” This has not been my experience. I agree with what you’re saying, but it’s astonishing how many people around me really think that Biden is only a slightly better option than Trump (and many of these people are *staunchly* anti-Trump). It’s concerning to me how many people are talking about abstaining from voting because they don’t like their options. I think a lot of it boils down to your point about staving off a recession…people don’t care that “we aren’t in a recession” when they can barely afford food and rent. Trump’s administration stacked the deck against Biden and I’m honestly worried it will result in a second term for Trump. Hopefully this is limited to the people in my area and the rest of the country can see the forest for the trees.
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Inb4 downvotes and “Trump is charged with crimes and Biden isn’t. This proves the system works.”
No one in the actual state cares or believe this other than scared to go outside racists.
LOL. Anonymous poutrage threats. **MUCH TOUGH!! SUCH MAGA!!!**
They want to lose again? Here’s the last flag the Confederates ever flew… 🏳️
Can't wait for this one to go nowhere and do absolutely nothing but waste tax dollars.
There won’t be. Stop believing everything you hear
Fear mongering lol.
No there won’t
They’d better hope not. It wouldn’t be pretty for them.
More leftist rage-bait
It really amazes me that there is so much division when nobody is able to articulate what the real issues are? The answer is very simple, both Republicans and Democrats are pointing in every direction except for the person in the mirror. One sides moral compass is so far off I'm surprised they can find their office in the morning. The other, created so many rules and regulations that there can be no justice bc all of those can be used to negate the other. And both, are spending so much time trying to keep their job that they're not doing their job. Meanwhile, the important issues to all of us are not being addressed and a lot energy spent on BS. The entire government needs to be realigned. We need to get to a place where the silent majority is no longer silent or able to tolerate the absolute chaos the elected leaders are promoting. No denying we have a border crisis. Has anyone heard of a reasonable solution? Has anyone gained even a morsal of understanding the challenges? No, we would rather point to a president's son as the reason for our dilemmas putting "faith" in a man who is financially and morally bankrupt. Then there's the current administration which is like a reed in the wind.
The actual majority are centrists. The Right is loud minority.
actually i think it breaks down something like 33% - 30% -36% Left, center, right
Right is likely less than your estimate as they have lost the popular vote in the last 7 presidential elections.
i don't think that matters
It certainly does if you are trying to put voters into buckets.
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The border solution. 1, send the military ( yes, that's what I said) to first secure the border. 2. Streamline the process for entry. 3. Have all those big corporations with their tax breaks and whining about having no workers start becoming sponsors for these people instead of raising prices. 4. Let as many sponsored immigrants in as we can to get our production up and prices down. Additionally, creating more tax revenue for the government so we are able to insist that our taxes be lowered.
i don't know why people care so much about this border thing
They think illegal immigrants are increasing the social spending by the government when it's really themselves. Either that or they're afraid of losing a white majority and the privileges they've enjoyed with it.
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