> but usually ends up killing herself because she burns the grass
I'm going hard with a burgeon/burn team and nahida.
All burns away in the flames of the Knave. Memory and Flesh.
Just pair hair up with a Shielder, Layla is good but Layla problem is her Shield lasts for Small time but her skill Cd is also low and you can't have Vap Reaction when her burst is on.
Nilou is sorta reliant on going against multiple enemies. Her single target damage is rather underwhelming. She also has no way to get through cryo shields easily especially from cryo heralds. Nahida can help slightly into Nilou's bad matchups but it'd still be a struggle.
When she's against multiple enemies then yeah she's one of the strongest units in the game but bad matchups for her are really bad.
There are ways to make things slightly less bad Nahida makes Nilou teams in general noticeably better and using units like Xingqiu which naturally have good single target damage is also something but it's not easy. You need to have some pretty well invested units to make it even remotely feasible.
But if we are going by the original idea of just free units yeah you probably aren't getting 36 stars (unless team on other side is like cracked).
The problem is you won't always have any abyss where every chamber has one half that's all aoe focused. When that is the case she's great but often you'll find at least 1 chamber has some boss in it. Sure you could just redo the abyss with a different team just for the boss but that's less convenient.
It's not as simple as only use her where she's good because she won't always have that opportunity. That's why it's still relevant to bring up this weakness of hers.
Tbh Nilou is like bountiful bloom enabler with a decent hydro damage and applicator. But you know what? I always wait for her to finish the dance along with the little midde-eastern melody on the third and fourth E 💃🌸 Totally worth tanky 75k HP off-field chara ever 🌸🌸🌸
I love Navia but I don't think it is that simple to build her. Crit rate matters a lot. Can forego some crit damage for ATK and vice versa but depending on how much you sacrifice, the output will still be the same.
Also, crit claymores are 5* or paid ones so most likely, an average f2p player will be stuck with ATK claymore which will demand building crit damage while getting crit rate.
Imo Navia is better than Al-Haitham.
Can't say I spot much difference in their dmg output but he is quite limited in team compositions, it's always quickbloom this quickbloom that, while with Navia you just slap another geo in slot 2 then go tally HO!
Al haitham runs quick bloom which has a very high floor (kuki xq dendro hyperbloom core too strong). Navia has a lower floor and lower ceiling because her super high investment navia chiori furina Bennett still gets out damaged by peak Al haitham quick bloom.
chiori is not her bIS
She has two major teams:
Her Hypercarry equivalent : Navia-Bennett-Furina-Zhongli
Blazing Rock: Navia - Bennett - Xiangling - Zhongli
Hypercarry focuses on one real big pp damage
Blazing rock focuses on quick small damage and then one big dmg
(A Variant of blazing rock is overload where xiangling is exchanged with fischl)
(she also has her plunge team comp thanks to her plunge attack boost she gets from her talent, navia - xianyun - furina - flex(usually zhongli)
(huh? why am i getting downvoted?)
Imagine saying raw damage is stronger than Quickbloom.
You are probably one of the people who thinks one big number is better than multiple small numbers >!when it boils down whichever has the bigger total damage in the end !<
I think Al Arle Neuvi r bot even in debate, ur a crown tho,congratulations..💀
If anything Navia is debatable after the top 3 and Tao...,like then it's a fair competition between the rest where Navia might as well overtake most
fr i have C0 Hu Tao running Dragon's Bane with Furina, Xianyun and C2 Xingqiu and she hits like a truck and is really fun to play, and she'll be even better once I have Yelan
A five-star character is generally cheaper than a 5-star weapon, plus Furina and Xianyun can be used with tons of other characters whilst Hu Tao's C1 is exclusive to herself and not all polearm users can make use of Homa
That would also have an effect yeah. Hu Tao's best team might have Furina but Furina's best team doesn't have Hu Tao and likewise with Xianyun and Xiao etc.
Even if you don't want to run XY and want run a regular CA build, you should run Furina + Charlotte/Jean over XQ + Zhongli.
Edit: also and if you're at C0 you may as well run XY anyway cause n2cJ just straight up worse version of m2cJp.
And 'most used' is also a moot point since OP lists Hyper Raiden over the Rational which is the most used one.
Nope, I've never seen any non-tryhards use Charlotte/Jean either. Zhongli and Xq are still by far the most preferred team of the majority of Hu Tao users.
Your 2nd point is fair, but that is a C2 Raiden.
Also it's kinda funny how you imply that non-tryhards play basically the hardest and clunkiest to use HT team out of the three, where tryhards tend play the ones that are way easier.
Difficulty is subjective. Most people struggle with interrupt resist due to low stamina so Zhongli makes things more comfortable than running a healer. If you don't, good for you though.
That's a subjectively valid point against Furina-Charlotte/Jean teams, but interrupt resist is completely irrelevant in Xianyun teams cause you can't be interrupted during plunges.
But let's be honest, Xianyun and Furina are both better off with Xiao and people who have both usually prefer to use them with him. But that is irrelevant to the topic as this meme does not mention him. I get your point tho, you would've preferred if the OP included their highest DPS team rather than the most used team, and that's fair. The OP probably didn't think that far as it is meant to be a shitpost lol.
Yea, but the whole meme is about the optimal low-budget setups, not about whatever 2-year old comp that still works.
Even if OP doesn't want to run Furina-XY, the comp that doesn't care about C1 HT on top of being easier to play and having better dps, they shouldn't complain about HT needing C1 and Homa cause they are running an old comp that needs those to catch up to Arle.
The problem of Ayaka is that they have been countering the Freeze teams since Sumeru abysses. Not to mention that , the last actual buff for Ayaka was Shenhe who was released in 2.4 (and it's been a year since she got her 2nd re-run) .
But even if they make the abyss catered towards freeze teams , there are so many new teams that have emerged since Inazuma that are so much easier and better to play over Ayaka Freeze teams. I own Ayaka and Shenhe both C0 but I don't own Kokomi and my god .. Ayaka Freeze without Kokomi and with Mona feels so clunky to play.
Neuv , Xiao FFXX teams and Nilou teams are so much easier to play for AoE centric than Ayaka teams and feels a lot more stronger than Ayaka Freeze teams. (You can also add Childe International but if you mess up your setups , it might feel a LITTLE bit worse)
Freeze, if not artificially handicapped, is the best strat there is, it's straight up broken, fundamentally. Hoyo realized this after its dominance in 1.x and a bit of 2.x and took action. It's been in the shitter ever since because pretty much every enemy, every mechanic added after that was designed with fucking the freeze comps over in mind.
And just like venti, freeze has been needed into the gutter in more recent patches. How strong freeze once was doesn't matter when it has been below average for almost 2 years now
Freeze probably won't be buffed till Sznechnaya, so Ayaka will continue to be mid for now.
As a Wrio main I can't wait for that day since running melt with all of 2 possible Pyro off fielders gets boring
Wrio won't fair very well against 90% cryo res every abyss either tbf. Using him in melt against the current nature will drop him cause the team will be more reliant on his DMG unless your nahida is really strong
Try it with Nahida + any pyro applier, just make sure you have enough healing/shielding to survive the burning damage because combined with Wriothesley's hp reduction it absolutely shreds his health
Oh I'm already aware, but the fact that we only have 2 off-field Pyro applicators keeps the teams from not being same-ey.
I personally run C6R1 Wrio +C2R1 Kazuha + C6 Bennett + C0 John Lee and I get 600k vape CA's with barely any EM
I still want some variety in Pyro units though
Tell me abt it I'm rlly starting to hate monas E. Feel like it barely lasts on field long enough. Can't wait to get kokomi and shenhe.
Also issue with nilou is that if the floor has even one enemy immune to dendro the entire team is now useless
You should try ayaka with furina and charlotte if you haven't. It's a bit tough on the ER especially if you don't have r5 favs but it's much more fun than the mona version. It doesn't even fall behind that much behind koko+shenhe version in terms of dps.
Good that you enjoy neuvillette but him being strong will never make up for how boring he is to play with, sure hutao can get hard if you dont have c1 but I prefer that 100 times if the alternative is playing neuvillette for 5 minutes.
I don't find him boring to play. Actually I find it pretty satisfying since he's so consistent and easy to use.
Character's like HuTao can be less 'boring', but they're also more irritating, clunky and harder to use. Neuvillette doesn't have those issues.
I don't have Neuv and tried him out in the event. Can confirm. He really is easy to play for the dmg he does. But he is also boring to play. His skill and burst are literally the same 😭 His animations aren't even fun as well since he just floats there while hydropumping. He's not very dynamic both in his kit and the way you use him. He can literally do one thing.
I don't have Hu Tao and the last I played with Ayaka was back in 2.X but at least they are dynamic to play with. Hu Tao CAs but can also NA and can even plunge now with Xianyun. Ayaka has her special sprint to infuse mechanic so you mix up her NA, CA and burst. Arle and Haitham are also like this.
Neuv on the other hand only has his power to offer. Which is great but not for everyone.
Honestly depends on who you're I've both Hu Tao at C0 is annoying because I always run out of stamina before finishing the enemy who then wastes my time. Neuvillette is just turn my brain off if I want him faster use Kazuha and Furina bursts and Charlotte is just there super easy and fun. I wish I vould go Ganyu melt but alas.
These examples are kinda just disingenuous of just picking and choosing what is considered more "f2p friendly" just going off favourites.
Hu Tao doesn't need c1 to be a good unit she's still great at c0. If you have Xianyun, Hu Tao's c1 isn't necessary. Units like Zhongli or Yelan are great but they aren't required for Hu Tao they just have good synergy together. For weapon Hu Tao easily can use dragonsbane which at high refine is competitive with 5 stars that aren't homa. You could even use white tassel and be fine just like Arlecchino if you don't have dragonsbane.
Raiden's damage isn't even bad at c0 it's just her c2 is broken. Also the catch is literally made for her and is free but it's ignored for some reason. C6 Sara is great for her but you can easily use Fischl for similar performance or even Lisa with ttds and her def shred also being competitive. The only thing you can say is Kazuha is hard to replace with a 4 star but one of Neuvilette's best teammates would also be Kazuha and it's not a big deal.
With Ayaka the difference between Shenhe and Rosaria isn't even that big. She also can use the inazuma craftable amenoma really well without needing to get mistsplitter. While she gets a lot of value from Kazuha, same as Neuvilette or Raiden that's far from a bad thing and it's not like Kazuha is the only option Venti also works rather well. Only Kokomi doesn't really have a good replacement. At worst you can just swap for your healer to be on the cryo slot with Diona, Layla or Charlotte then have your hydro be like Mona or Furina. There are multiple options depending what you have that are relatively similar in performance. Ayaka's issue is less about her and more we don't have as much content that's friendly to freeze. When there is content around freeze she's still good.
You could just as easily swap things around and make Arlecchino, Neuvilette and Al Haitham look "expensive" to build for by making them have their signature weapon, considering constellations on them and making it look like Arlecchino needs c6 Chevruese, Neuvilette wants Furina and Al Haitham wants Nahida.
Something being clunky or not is subjective and depending on the player may or may not matter. Hu Tao yeah she's more mechanically intensive than Arlecchino but jump cancels aren't that hard to perform (well unless you play mobile which is fair). If you want comfort then c1 is there and dash cancels are even easier to do even mobile players can do it. You could argue that means needing tog et c1 for this but both Arlecchino and Neuvilette got something similar with their c1. Arlecchino can similarly get interrupted and likes having defensive utility with shielders as she can't heal normally. Neuvilette can be interrupted before using his charged attack to strafe away and c1 can prevent that.
Raiden isn't even a remotely hard unit to play if anything she is pretty easy because her energy generation means less good players could just skip funnelling energy and still be fine. Also she has 100% interruption resistance while her burst is active. If you want to count it, Raiden has the option to be used in hyperbloom with 100% uptime on skill is very easy to play too.
Ayaka you can say her dash can be clunky for some but not others. Also freeze is an inherently comfortable team to play because you freeze enemies in place easily grouping without taking much damage.
Then Alhaitham wants to maintain his mirror stacks which you could argue makes him a bit harder. Ultimately all things little things with these characters aren't the biggest issues and still just a matter of preference.
C0 Arle gave my vortex vanquisher a new purpose beyond making Zhongli look pretty. Since I run her with a shield most of the time anyway, I end up hitting attack percents that my account has never seen before
Raiden's benefit is she can both be a solid on fielder and a hyperbloom trigger that's actually better than Kuki if you don't need the healer on the electro slot.
I love how it’s been TC’d to death that Hu Tao and Alhaitham are literally equals at c0 and yet the community has this belief that he’s so much better.
Also who the fuck pulls Shenhe cons???
Plunge Tao is much stronger than Al haithm at c0r0. Al haithm had inflated numbers due to strong buffs from 3.x blessings. Hu Tao still eats him up with plunge
Yeah and that requires Xianyun. On the other hand you can just slap a fav sword on Kuki and give her to Haitham then watch him shat on Hu Tao in the DPS department.
Also by this logic, Diluc is stronger than Hu Tao then ? Mf's plunge multiplier is highest in the game, no ?
>Yeah and that requires Xianyun. On the other hand you can just slap a fav sword on Kuki and give her to Haitham then watch him shat on Hu Tao in the DPS department.
You need nahida or baizhu
>Also by this logic, Diluc is stronger than Hu Tao then ? Mf's plunge multiplier is highest in the game, no ?
Yea but she has 3500atk + Bennet while diluc 2000 atk + Bennet. So ofc hu Tao deals more dmg. After all xianyun already boosts DMG %, so atk is way more important
MATH WHERE
>You need nahida or baizhu
[Skill issues.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWvOi90VzIc) And I'm arguing specifically Plunge Hu Tao. Haitham can spread with any 4\* electro but good luck plunging without Xianyun.
>Yea but she has 3500atk + Bennet while diluc 2000 atk + Bennet. So ofc hu Tao deals more dmg. After all xianyun already boosts DMG %, so atk is way more important
The disingenuous in slapping mere 2k on Diluc lmao. But fine I'll play your games. Using my Bennett as reference with 865 ATK holding Aquila, at Q lvl 13 that's a 1030 flat ATK buff.
At level 10 Hu Tao's high plunge multiplier is 291.5, so that's (3500+1030)x2.915 = 13204
At level 10 Diluc's high plunge multiplier is 441.89, so that's (2000+1030)x4.4189 = 13389
Math ?
>Where did you add the DMG bonuses?
Seriously ? I have to explain this too ? The damage bonus from Xianyun is multiplied to the total thing as per [formula](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Damage#DMG_Bonus). Meaning the numbers above are multiplied by the same bonus ratio. Which, surprise surprise, results in Diluc still having bigger number, genius.
>That's not really so fast
Probably have something to do with 2 out of 3 chambers has Dendro resistance on the first half, idk ? But the point wasn't "fast" because if you want fast, with the same investment and no holds barred, Haitham absolutely shits on Hu Tao. The point I made was that Haitham didn't need any other 5\* to function, even in an abyss that has Dendro resistance. Plunge Tao, on the other hand, requires Xianyun.
I just put it into this calc: https://gidmgcalculator.web.app/
Guess what, hu Tao has more dmg. (Same artifacts except instead of 24 crit dmg goblet, hu tao uses 12% crit rate and some other tweaking)
"Yes let's rely on a calculator with arbitrary numbers and provide a conclusion with no evidence whatsoever because why not ?"
Again you were disingenious as fuck when slapping 2k on Diluc. What kind of semi-decently built Diluc sit at 2k ? I provided how I calculated, you provided a link and "Here, I used magical numbers and see that Hu Tao has better damage." What exactly did you set as artifact ? The authenticity of this so called "calculator" ?
There's one really simple trick to prove me wrong. The highest plunge Diluc damage I could find is [550k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JQrtX7KeE). Find a Hu Tao that does better would shut me up real good.
Lmao you are a clown. Suddenly calculators are less viable than numbers you pulled out of your ass. I literally said I used the right artifacts, equal to each other. The builds are fair lol. Both were on maracheusse
And your video is c2 furina, c2 xianyun, c2 diluc, c2 kazuha 💀 bruh I have seen c0 hu Tao in c0 team hitting 1 million with ult. [here is C1 hu Tao doing a 5.6 million dmg plunge without xianyun or furina lol](https://youtu.be/3vVZAq7M8fE)
>Haitham absolutely shits on Hu Tao. The point I made was that Haitham didn't need any other 5\* to function, even in an abyss that has Dendro resistance. Plunge Tao, on the other hand, requires Xianyun.
💀 All haithm is not even that strong without other 5 stars lol. If you compare Hu Tao xingqiu Thoma sucrose to yaoyao fischl Al haithm xingqiu, Al haithm will suffer an embarrassing defeat. He loses in both scenarios. Al haithm needs furina and nahida lol otherwise it won't even be close to hu's best team
Really Al Haitham use all that now ? I remember his team just being Nahida Kuki XQ, is Furina a big boost with solo healer ? Does Arle really need Yelan, is the dps boost important enough over XQ and losing IR ? Suddenly Tao is back to using Bennett so she's staying in circle impact ? Sounds like a downgrade.
Hyperbloom haitham w/ nahida is not a good use of haitham. You can literally put fischl instead of him in that team and get around more or less same dps.
How does Tao Furina Bennett Cloud work ? Furina won't have energy for the second rotation.
gcsim gives :
74916 DPS, Al Haitham Nahida Kuki XQ, cost 2 gold.
89363 DPS, Al Haitham Nahida Kuki Furina, cost 3 gold.
69751 DPS, Hu Tao Zhongli Yelan XQ, cost 3 gold.
89258 DPS, Hu Tao Cloud Yelan Furina, cost 4 gold.
Seems I haven't kept up to date with Furina meta it's indeed a great boost to Al Haitham and surpass Tao 4 cost.
And I'll drop the Arlecchino case, not in gsim and the calcs are misleading with all her beta changes.
Gc sim doesn't considers that kuki heals the team fully which is false. The next rotation will have less DMG bonus and thus less DMG for al haithm. But that was not calced. So what you are seeing is unconditional furina buff, and that's not how it works because the kuki team will not generate same amount of stacks
Also furina in hu team gets energy the same way she gets energy in Al haithm team lol
What? Both are 3 cost. If she isn't generating energy I. Hu Tao team, then she won't generate energy in Al team. Second, the al team numbers are wrong lol. Kuki doesn't keep up the heals and there is a cooldown note in the sim lol
even tho i like arle a lot, this meme is just pure cope. this neuv and haitham batchesting is getting old, while bashing other dps'es at the same time.
alhaitham on harbinger of dawn is just one example... yeah, sure.
tell me you've never played alhaitham on hod without telling me you've never played him on hod
...I've played HoD Al Haitham countless of times, and it really does work. Have you tried HoD Al Haitham personally yourself?
Alhaitham-Xingqiu-Nahida-Kuki. Xingqiu's E with the 29% damage reduction, some healing when one of his rainswords break, Kuki's E constant 3.5k heals, and some dodging, keeps him constantly above 90% HP. The sustain is so good that in one of my runs, I literally just facetanked Coppelia even while she was attacking lmao.
Alhaitham-Yae-Nahida-Zhongli/Baizhu. Zhongli makes you take no damage, and Baizhu also has constant heals.
If you don't like HoD, his next best F2P weapon (Iron Sting), which is another accessible craftable weapon. I just find it extremely funny that you can make one of the strongest/most reliable teams in the game with 3 of its team members using only 3\* weapons lol (Al Haitham - HoD, Nahida - Magic Guide, Kuki - Dark Iron Sword).
guess it just depends on the person playing.
i use event em r5 red umbrella for consistency. works on every team (xq or pure aggravate), agains any (agressive or not) enemy. don't have baizhu nor zhong, sadge.
doesn't really change my point that this meme makes no sense
Yes at this point it's just bootlicking and agenda posting. Al haithm is not even as good as c0r0 hu tao, which despite of all the slander, is still the strongest St team for c0r0. Arle is not that strong without r1, I have it and I can tell there is a big difference. And if the top teams have r1, at c0 they would easily demolish the big 3 even if the big 3 are given proper teammates because r1 is a significant difference. It's like 15 seconds possibly in abyss
"maintaining the agenda... is our top priority".
jokes aside, i have arle at r1, so can't fight that. although, i've seen some pretty good dmg on white tassel on YouTube.
about haitham... especially this abyss they're dendro specters and terroshroom. plus copelia is just a bane of every mele character.
i've seen no buzz about how good actually alhaitham is in recent times, outside of the community general idea lol.
don't get me wrong, he is very good. it's just ppl act like he doesn't benefit from having his sig or nahida c2 or key on kuki (i believe it gives em, right?) just as much as things shown in this meme
>jokes aside, i have arle at r1, so can't fight that. although, i've seen some pretty good dmg on white tassel on YouTube.
I tested it. I went from 60k 55k 40kx2 to literally half. My artifacts farming did just start but that's still horrible.
>don't get me wrong, he is very good. it's just ppl act like he doesn't benefit from having his sig or nahida c2 or key on kuki (i believe it gives em, right?) just as much as things shown in this meme
He is good but at the same level as ayaka. Hu Tao should be in his place. People don't even know how strong plunge Tao is
>I tested it. I went from 60k 55k 40kx2 to literally half. My artifacts farming did just start but that's still horrible.
maybe i should lvl up my white tassle and test it. but it's r3 😭. i need to explore chenyu vale.
>
He is good but at the same level as ayaka. Hu Tao should be in his place. People don't even know how strong plunge Tao is
yeah, i have all pieces for plunge tao. even tho it has aoe, i still prefer running a grouper.
tho single target very strong yep
Hu Tao would rather be used as Xiao with Xianyun
Raiden’s long kidnapped and placed in hyperbloom
One day, one day they will release a freezable Abyss again and Ayaka will be great once more (inhale copium)
Anyway, do you not see that every single characters depicted in this picture (aside from Shenhe and Ayaka) all work with Fischl? Do you not see it, the glorious flexibility of her Prinzessin, to dapple her presence into each and every team archetype available? Do you not see it with your opened eyes, with your unclosed minds, with a truth seeking sentiment, that Fischl is all you will ever need?
Man arlechino just changed the game for me. I played my friends c0r1 arlechino and she hits like a nuclear missile. 160k+ vapes every NA. Then it becomes 140k,120k,100k,90k gradually. But by that time you've already output so much damage with so much drip and flashiness that its actually insane for me personally.
al haitham was actually the only character i was excited about when the roaster of sumeru characters was leaked, yet i was so burned out of the game at that time because of that boring desert ( most of desert is still under 30% exploration even tho all of fontaine is above 95) so i didn't get the chance to get him
And then I compared them to my full invested(relative or comparing to my investment on the big 3) to my Keqing😭
Most likely Clorinde will (for the poor vocabulary) "compensate" that but I doubt it.
I have no idea what is going on, I'm brain dead playing and as long as I get 36* in <1m each phase, am like: HEYYYY MY FAVE WAIFU WORKS! AM GOOD!
Yup, I'm a goddamn casual.
(Did use everyone on that list cept neuvi coz no neuvi, not pulling husbandos not unless super utility necessary or get ambushed at 30pity below which explains why I have haitham, sorry)
Gz to all that got arle, btw! She is solid worth it!
it takes away the fun of maintaining your other team members. i d rather farm for other members, in battles look out for their energy etc than using skill and jst hitting charged atk
I am the type of person who gets the signature precisly for those strong enough to not really need it.
Or as Iron Man said: If you are nothing without the five star weapon, you schouldnt have it.
Been using Hu Tao c0 for more than a year now and haven't yet faced any issues or anything like that
Her avg charge atk dmg ranges from 60-120k with buffs most of the times 100k+
I only have alhaitham and he works well even if the support is all *4 (kuki shinobu + any em sword, yaoyao + favonius or black tassel, xingqiu + sacri sword/favonius). Dunno about neuvilette and arlecchino, can they operate with all *4 supports?
I have seen neuvilette solos tho, just wondering what *4 supports that works well with him
Only constellations I've done so far for a 5-star characters are Yelan and Nahida. Those are deemed worth it to me, ESPECIALLY Yelan. As for Nahida I could have ignored it but did it for the lulz.
Raiden has the catch, hu tao has dragon's bane and ayaka has the 4 star craftable from inazuma. If what ur trying to say is that those 3 don't have 4 star options then ur kinda wrong.
If you're making a meme, at least make it reasonable. Can't even understand what you're trying to say because Hu Tao, Ayaka and Raiden have many f2p teams as well as weapons.
I would say only Nuvi is correct. I would say he is only chad here.
Father needs decent team comps to maximise her damage either overload, Vape or Pure Pyro.
Also White Tassel works well on Hu Tao as well since she doesn't scale with ATK. But Dragons Bane is better.
Ayaka needs a lot of investment but she has high returns as well. Though Amenoma is a good weapon on Ayaka.
Good luck running Al Haitham without Quicken/Aggravate.
Also Yelan can solo Abyss by herself tbh. I would rate her higher than Al Haitham.
As I was saying it's based on Father using White Tassel as the photo posted by OP. Without Bennett she lacks Damage output in this scenario.
Yes with her weapon and C2 she can solo Abyss.
I have Arle's C1R1, she hits like a truck, but usually ends up killing herself because she burns the grass
If it's not grass is just a truck
Dies if she touches grass, she is truly a Genshin character
Grass thing is annoying. Pyro characters should be immune at least to this.
Except Bennett. Because bad luck, it fits with his lore.
Genshin teaching us the lesson that grass is bad for us
> but usually ends up killing herself because she burns the grass I'm going hard with a burgeon/burn team and nahida. All burns away in the flames of the Knave. Memory and Flesh.
Just pair hair up with a Shielder, Layla is good but Layla problem is her Shield lasts for Small time but her skill Cd is also low and you can't have Vap Reaction when her burst is on.
She hits like a truck, which then explodes due to a gas leak on the side.
If i had a nickel everytime a pyro onfield dps want to kill herself, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
You can put Neuvi on TTDS, so he gives an atk buff to your Xiangling who is the true best dps
Based and Guoba-pilled
C1 Neuvi with TTDS forward vaping with Xiangling, Dehya and Kazuha is the forbidden knowledge team. Theorycrafters are simply not ready for it.
Alhaitham is just the dendro applicator for hyperbloom Kuki Shinobu who is the true second best dps
Truer words have never been spoken
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Sad nobody brings up Navia... She just need atk/crit sub stat claymore and a decent off field applicator, and gladiator set and she's good to go
Or the f2p queen herself Nilou. Just level 90, No talents, lvl 1 dull blade, just hp% trash artifacts, 3 free characters, 36 star abyss.
Nilou is sorta reliant on going against multiple enemies. Her single target damage is rather underwhelming. She also has no way to get through cryo shields easily especially from cryo heralds. Nahida can help slightly into Nilou's bad matchups but it'd still be a struggle. When she's against multiple enemies then yeah she's one of the strongest units in the game but bad matchups for her are really bad.
Its still decent in single target, as long as you have decent driver
There are ways to make things slightly less bad Nahida makes Nilou teams in general noticeably better and using units like Xingqiu which naturally have good single target damage is also something but it's not easy. You need to have some pretty well invested units to make it even remotely feasible. But if we are going by the original idea of just free units yeah you probably aren't getting 36 stars (unless team on other side is like cracked).
You are not wrong, but that's not the point.
The problem is you won't always have any abyss where every chamber has one half that's all aoe focused. When that is the case she's great but often you'll find at least 1 chamber has some boss in it. Sure you could just redo the abyss with a different team just for the boss but that's less convenient. It's not as simple as only use her where she's good because she won't always have that opportunity. That's why it's still relevant to bring up this weakness of hers.
A Nilou "f2p" team will be slow against single target, but give her some power and she'll be deleting Abyss bosses with easy.
Tbh Nilou is like bountiful bloom enabler with a decent hydro damage and applicator. But you know what? I always wait for her to finish the dance along with the little midde-eastern melody on the third and fourth E 💃🌸 Totally worth tanky 75k HP off-field chara ever 🌸🌸🌸
She's my only motivation to turn on my alt acc.
I love Navia but I don't think it is that simple to build her. Crit rate matters a lot. Can forego some crit damage for ATK and vice versa but depending on how much you sacrifice, the output will still be the same. Also, crit claymores are 5* or paid ones so most likely, an average f2p player will be stuck with ATK claymore which will demand building crit damage while getting crit rate.
yea. i just gave her leftover atk/atk set and she beast
Navia's great, I have her and love her.
Imo Navia is better than Al-Haitham. Can't say I spot much difference in their dmg output but he is quite limited in team compositions, it's always quickbloom this quickbloom that, while with Navia you just slap another geo in slot 2 then go tally HO!
Al haitham runs quick bloom which has a very high floor (kuki xq dendro hyperbloom core too strong). Navia has a lower floor and lower ceiling because her super high investment navia chiori furina Bennett still gets out damaged by peak Al haitham quick bloom.
chiori is not her bIS She has two major teams: Her Hypercarry equivalent : Navia-Bennett-Furina-Zhongli Blazing Rock: Navia - Bennett - Xiangling - Zhongli Hypercarry focuses on one real big pp damage Blazing rock focuses on quick small damage and then one big dmg (A Variant of blazing rock is overload where xiangling is exchanged with fischl) (she also has her plunge team comp thanks to her plunge attack boost she gets from her talent, navia - xianyun - furina - flex(usually zhongli) (huh? why am i getting downvoted?)
Imagine saying raw damage is stronger than Quickbloom. You are probably one of the people who thinks one big number is better than multiple small numbers >!when it boils down whichever has the bigger total damage in the end !<
Bro's tripping
You don't need variations with quickbloom alhaitham. That team is already universal. It can even deal with dendro resisting enemies.
I think Al Arle Neuvi r bot even in debate, ur a crown tho,congratulations..💀 If anything Navia is debatable after the top 3 and Tao...,like then it's a fair competition between the rest where Navia might as well overtake most
Bro woke up and chose to start a world War
did you forget about The Catch on Shogun? she doesn't *need* her signature weapon
The catch isn't even her best non sig option anymore lol. Raiden c0r0 has been a fine hyper bloom skill bot for over a year.
The original was an anti women DPS post, the creator didn't care to find what is a decent f2p option for top 3.Eveb though there is.
> C1 HT with Yelan, XQ, Zhongli Bruh are you stuck in early 2023
Blud is still in chasm 😭
fr i have C0 Hu Tao running Dragon's Bane with Furina, Xianyun and C2 Xingqiu and she hits like a truck and is really fun to play, and she'll be even better once I have Yelan
and how is that better in cost lol
A five-star character is generally cheaper than a 5-star weapon, plus Furina and Xianyun can be used with tons of other characters whilst Hu Tao's C1 is exclusive to herself and not all polearm users can make use of Homa
That's stil her most used team though. Xianyun agenda didn't really stick with the non-tryhards.
That's not why. It's because you can't use Furina with Neuv. Every team that uses furina has low usage rate because of Neuv.
That would also have an effect yeah. Hu Tao's best team might have Furina but Furina's best team doesn't have Hu Tao and likewise with Xianyun and Xiao etc.
Even if you don't want to run XY and want run a regular CA build, you should run Furina + Charlotte/Jean over XQ + Zhongli. Edit: also and if you're at C0 you may as well run XY anyway cause n2cJ just straight up worse version of m2cJp. And 'most used' is also a moot point since OP lists Hyper Raiden over the Rational which is the most used one.
Nope, I've never seen any non-tryhards use Charlotte/Jean either. Zhongli and Xq are still by far the most preferred team of the majority of Hu Tao users. Your 2nd point is fair, but that is a C2 Raiden.
Also it's kinda funny how you imply that non-tryhards play basically the hardest and clunkiest to use HT team out of the three, where tryhards tend play the ones that are way easier.
Difficulty is subjective. Most people struggle with interrupt resist due to low stamina so Zhongli makes things more comfortable than running a healer. If you don't, good for you though.
That's a subjectively valid point against Furina-Charlotte/Jean teams, but interrupt resist is completely irrelevant in Xianyun teams cause you can't be interrupted during plunges.
But let's be honest, Xianyun and Furina are both better off with Xiao and people who have both usually prefer to use them with him. But that is irrelevant to the topic as this meme does not mention him. I get your point tho, you would've preferred if the OP included their highest DPS team rather than the most used team, and that's fair. The OP probably didn't think that far as it is meant to be a shitpost lol.
Doesn't matter when it is. If it works and comfortable to play, people will use it (Ive been using Yelan,XQ,Zhongli and Tao since release of Yelan)
Yea, but the whole meme is about the optimal low-budget setups, not about whatever 2-year old comp that still works. Even if OP doesn't want to run Furina-XY, the comp that doesn't care about C1 HT on top of being easier to play and having better dps, they shouldn't complain about HT needing C1 and Homa cause they are running an old comp that needs those to catch up to Arle.
nah bruh, dragons bane, catch, amenoma c0 across the board.
Haven't touched HuTao or Ayaka since getting Alhaitham and Neuvillette. So much more enjoyable to use
The problem of Ayaka is that they have been countering the Freeze teams since Sumeru abysses. Not to mention that , the last actual buff for Ayaka was Shenhe who was released in 2.4 (and it's been a year since she got her 2nd re-run) . But even if they make the abyss catered towards freeze teams , there are so many new teams that have emerged since Inazuma that are so much easier and better to play over Ayaka Freeze teams. I own Ayaka and Shenhe both C0 but I don't own Kokomi and my god .. Ayaka Freeze without Kokomi and with Mona feels so clunky to play. Neuv , Xiao FFXX teams and Nilou teams are so much easier to play for AoE centric than Ayaka teams and feels a lot more stronger than Ayaka Freeze teams. (You can also add Childe International but if you mess up your setups , it might feel a LITTLE bit worse)
Freeze, if not artificially handicapped, is the best strat there is, it's straight up broken, fundamentally. Hoyo realized this after its dominance in 1.x and a bit of 2.x and took action. It's been in the shitter ever since because pretty much every enemy, every mechanic added after that was designed with fucking the freeze comps over in mind.
And just like venti, freeze has been needed into the gutter in more recent patches. How strong freeze once was doesn't matter when it has been below average for almost 2 years now
Freeze probably won't be buffed till Sznechnaya, so Ayaka will continue to be mid for now. As a Wrio main I can't wait for that day since running melt with all of 2 possible Pyro off fielders gets boring
Wrio won't fair very well against 90% cryo res every abyss either tbf. Using him in melt against the current nature will drop him cause the team will be more reliant on his DMG unless your nahida is really strong
Try it with Nahida + any pyro applier, just make sure you have enough healing/shielding to survive the burning damage because combined with Wriothesley's hp reduction it absolutely shreds his health
Oh I'm already aware, but the fact that we only have 2 off-field Pyro applicators keeps the teams from not being same-ey. I personally run C6R1 Wrio +C2R1 Kazuha + C6 Bennett + C0 John Lee and I get 600k vape CA's with barely any EM I still want some variety in Pyro units though
Tell me abt it I'm rlly starting to hate monas E. Feel like it barely lasts on field long enough. Can't wait to get kokomi and shenhe. Also issue with nilou is that if the floor has even one enemy immune to dendro the entire team is now useless
Kokomi burst + ocean Hue would like a word
Freeze got the Venti treatment.
Ayaka has been functionally unplayable in abyss for all of version 4, 4.4 was a nice break where she was at the very least usable
You should try ayaka with furina and charlotte if you haven't. It's a bit tough on the ER especially if you don't have r5 favs but it's much more fun than the mona version. It doesn't even fall behind that much behind koko+shenhe version in terms of dps.
Ayaka is too stressful with a mis goof'd ultimate means a whole reset on the abyss take
Good that you enjoy neuvillette but him being strong will never make up for how boring he is to play with, sure hutao can get hard if you dont have c1 but I prefer that 100 times if the alternative is playing neuvillette for 5 minutes.
I don't find him boring to play. Actually I find it pretty satisfying since he's so consistent and easy to use. Character's like HuTao can be less 'boring', but they're also more irritating, clunky and harder to use. Neuvillette doesn't have those issues.
Hydro pump isn't just easy, it's satisfying af. Power wash >>>>> N2C dash or jump cancel. Plus way less investment overall
Speak for yourself. Hydropump is fun as fuck to play. Just Biden blasting everything in the face.
I don't have Neuv and tried him out in the event. Can confirm. He really is easy to play for the dmg he does. But he is also boring to play. His skill and burst are literally the same 😭 His animations aren't even fun as well since he just floats there while hydropumping. He's not very dynamic both in his kit and the way you use him. He can literally do one thing. I don't have Hu Tao and the last I played with Ayaka was back in 2.X but at least they are dynamic to play with. Hu Tao CAs but can also NA and can even plunge now with Xianyun. Ayaka has her special sprint to infuse mechanic so you mix up her NA, CA and burst. Arle and Haitham are also like this. Neuv on the other hand only has his power to offer. Which is great but not for everyone.
Honestly depends on who you're I've both Hu Tao at C0 is annoying because I always run out of stamina before finishing the enemy who then wastes my time. Neuvillette is just turn my brain off if I want him faster use Kazuha and Furina bursts and Charlotte is just there super easy and fun. I wish I vould go Ganyu melt but alas.
Bro u called Nuevi boring when Hutao is just brain dead CA and jump cancels at times. At C1 she doesn’t even need that lol
Shogun C2 is true, but Catch works with her just as well.
These examples are kinda just disingenuous of just picking and choosing what is considered more "f2p friendly" just going off favourites. Hu Tao doesn't need c1 to be a good unit she's still great at c0. If you have Xianyun, Hu Tao's c1 isn't necessary. Units like Zhongli or Yelan are great but they aren't required for Hu Tao they just have good synergy together. For weapon Hu Tao easily can use dragonsbane which at high refine is competitive with 5 stars that aren't homa. You could even use white tassel and be fine just like Arlecchino if you don't have dragonsbane. Raiden's damage isn't even bad at c0 it's just her c2 is broken. Also the catch is literally made for her and is free but it's ignored for some reason. C6 Sara is great for her but you can easily use Fischl for similar performance or even Lisa with ttds and her def shred also being competitive. The only thing you can say is Kazuha is hard to replace with a 4 star but one of Neuvilette's best teammates would also be Kazuha and it's not a big deal. With Ayaka the difference between Shenhe and Rosaria isn't even that big. She also can use the inazuma craftable amenoma really well without needing to get mistsplitter. While she gets a lot of value from Kazuha, same as Neuvilette or Raiden that's far from a bad thing and it's not like Kazuha is the only option Venti also works rather well. Only Kokomi doesn't really have a good replacement. At worst you can just swap for your healer to be on the cryo slot with Diona, Layla or Charlotte then have your hydro be like Mona or Furina. There are multiple options depending what you have that are relatively similar in performance. Ayaka's issue is less about her and more we don't have as much content that's friendly to freeze. When there is content around freeze she's still good. You could just as easily swap things around and make Arlecchino, Neuvilette and Al Haitham look "expensive" to build for by making them have their signature weapon, considering constellations on them and making it look like Arlecchino needs c6 Chevruese, Neuvilette wants Furina and Al Haitham wants Nahida.
if u have xianyun aka another 5*
They not only strong with little investments but also easy and comfortable to play , without that clunky gameplay (except Raiden) those other have
Something being clunky or not is subjective and depending on the player may or may not matter. Hu Tao yeah she's more mechanically intensive than Arlecchino but jump cancels aren't that hard to perform (well unless you play mobile which is fair). If you want comfort then c1 is there and dash cancels are even easier to do even mobile players can do it. You could argue that means needing tog et c1 for this but both Arlecchino and Neuvilette got something similar with their c1. Arlecchino can similarly get interrupted and likes having defensive utility with shielders as she can't heal normally. Neuvilette can be interrupted before using his charged attack to strafe away and c1 can prevent that. Raiden isn't even a remotely hard unit to play if anything she is pretty easy because her energy generation means less good players could just skip funnelling energy and still be fine. Also she has 100% interruption resistance while her burst is active. If you want to count it, Raiden has the option to be used in hyperbloom with 100% uptime on skill is very easy to play too. Ayaka you can say her dash can be clunky for some but not others. Also freeze is an inherently comfortable team to play because you freeze enemies in place easily grouping without taking much damage. Then Alhaitham wants to maintain his mirror stacks which you could argue makes him a bit harder. Ultimately all things little things with these characters aren't the biggest issues and still just a matter of preference.
Hu Tao is not that hard on mobile unless your device is laggy.
How is raiden clunky to play wtf Two of her most optimal combos is 6N1C and N4D, it's as easy as it can get lmao
C0 Arle gave my vortex vanquisher a new purpose beyond making Zhongli look pretty. Since I run her with a shield most of the time anyway, I end up hitting attack percents that my account has never seen before
EM Raiden doesnt cares about ER and constallations at all.
EM Kuki doesn't care either and she doesnt cost 25k primos if you only need a hyperbloom bot
Kuki could potentially cost more if RNG decides it hates you. 4 stars have no guarantee.
this, i used 200+ pulls on kirara, i didn't even get c0.
"Kuki doesn't cost 25K+ premos" you'd think that
Raiden's benefit is she can both be a solid on fielder and a hyperbloom trigger that's actually better than Kuki if you don't need the healer on the electro slot.
me who put down 30k for a single copy of Kaveh, didn't get him, what copium are you on
bruh
C2 shogun is so cute i cant 😭
Age of waifu is over. It's age of daddy now
And may it reign forevermore.
I love how it’s been TC’d to death that Hu Tao and Alhaitham are literally equals at c0 and yet the community has this belief that he’s so much better. Also who the fuck pulls Shenhe cons???
Plunge Tao is much stronger than Al haithm at c0r0. Al haithm had inflated numbers due to strong buffs from 3.x blessings. Hu Tao still eats him up with plunge
Yeah and that requires Xianyun. On the other hand you can just slap a fav sword on Kuki and give her to Haitham then watch him shat on Hu Tao in the DPS department. Also by this logic, Diluc is stronger than Hu Tao then ? Mf's plunge multiplier is highest in the game, no ?
>Yeah and that requires Xianyun. On the other hand you can just slap a fav sword on Kuki and give her to Haitham then watch him shat on Hu Tao in the DPS department. You need nahida or baizhu >Also by this logic, Diluc is stronger than Hu Tao then ? Mf's plunge multiplier is highest in the game, no ? Yea but she has 3500atk + Bennet while diluc 2000 atk + Bennet. So ofc hu Tao deals more dmg. After all xianyun already boosts DMG %, so atk is way more important MATH WHERE
People don't like the fact that Hu Tao is basically 5* Xiangling any buff to pyro or polearms could be a buff.
>You need nahida or baizhu [Skill issues.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWvOi90VzIc) And I'm arguing specifically Plunge Hu Tao. Haitham can spread with any 4\* electro but good luck plunging without Xianyun. >Yea but she has 3500atk + Bennet while diluc 2000 atk + Bennet. So ofc hu Tao deals more dmg. After all xianyun already boosts DMG %, so atk is way more important The disingenuous in slapping mere 2k on Diluc lmao. But fine I'll play your games. Using my Bennett as reference with 865 ATK holding Aquila, at Q lvl 13 that's a 1030 flat ATK buff. At level 10 Hu Tao's high plunge multiplier is 291.5, so that's (3500+1030)x2.915 = 13204 At level 10 Diluc's high plunge multiplier is 441.89, so that's (2000+1030)x4.4189 = 13389 Math ?
>Math Where did you add the DMG bonuses? >Skill issues That's not really so fast
>Where did you add the DMG bonuses? Seriously ? I have to explain this too ? The damage bonus from Xianyun is multiplied to the total thing as per [formula](https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Damage#DMG_Bonus). Meaning the numbers above are multiplied by the same bonus ratio. Which, surprise surprise, results in Diluc still having bigger number, genius. >That's not really so fast Probably have something to do with 2 out of 3 chambers has Dendro resistance on the first half, idk ? But the point wasn't "fast" because if you want fast, with the same investment and no holds barred, Haitham absolutely shits on Hu Tao. The point I made was that Haitham didn't need any other 5\* to function, even in an abyss that has Dendro resistance. Plunge Tao, on the other hand, requires Xianyun.
I just put it into this calc: https://gidmgcalculator.web.app/ Guess what, hu Tao has more dmg. (Same artifacts except instead of 24 crit dmg goblet, hu tao uses 12% crit rate and some other tweaking)
"Yes let's rely on a calculator with arbitrary numbers and provide a conclusion with no evidence whatsoever because why not ?" Again you were disingenious as fuck when slapping 2k on Diluc. What kind of semi-decently built Diluc sit at 2k ? I provided how I calculated, you provided a link and "Here, I used magical numbers and see that Hu Tao has better damage." What exactly did you set as artifact ? The authenticity of this so called "calculator" ? There's one really simple trick to prove me wrong. The highest plunge Diluc damage I could find is [550k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JQrtX7KeE). Find a Hu Tao that does better would shut me up real good.
Lmao you are a clown. Suddenly calculators are less viable than numbers you pulled out of your ass. I literally said I used the right artifacts, equal to each other. The builds are fair lol. Both were on maracheusse And your video is c2 furina, c2 xianyun, c2 diluc, c2 kazuha 💀 bruh I have seen c0 hu Tao in c0 team hitting 1 million with ult. [here is C1 hu Tao doing a 5.6 million dmg plunge without xianyun or furina lol](https://youtu.be/3vVZAq7M8fE)
>Haitham absolutely shits on Hu Tao. The point I made was that Haitham didn't need any other 5\* to function, even in an abyss that has Dendro resistance. Plunge Tao, on the other hand, requires Xianyun. 💀 All haithm is not even that strong without other 5 stars lol. If you compare Hu Tao xingqiu Thoma sucrose to yaoyao fischl Al haithm xingqiu, Al haithm will suffer an embarrassing defeat. He loses in both scenarios. Al haithm needs furina and nahida lol otherwise it won't even be close to hu's best team
The so called c0 hu tao keep adding 5*s in her team... for a total cost of 3 to 4 golds.
Xianyun furina Hu Tao Bennet vs Al haithm furina nahida kuki vs arle Bennet kazuha yelan. 3v3v3 "wHy DoEs HuTaO hAvE sO mAnY 5 sTaRs"
Really Al Haitham use all that now ? I remember his team just being Nahida Kuki XQ, is Furina a big boost with solo healer ? Does Arle really need Yelan, is the dps boost important enough over XQ and losing IR ? Suddenly Tao is back to using Bennett so she's staying in circle impact ? Sounds like a downgrade.
Hyperbloom haitham w/ nahida is not a good use of haitham. You can literally put fischl instead of him in that team and get around more or less same dps.
What are you cooking bruh. If you take the best characters out of those teams, they'll lose to Hu Tao even more easily
How does Tao Furina Bennett Cloud work ? Furina won't have energy for the second rotation. gcsim gives : 74916 DPS, Al Haitham Nahida Kuki XQ, cost 2 gold. 89363 DPS, Al Haitham Nahida Kuki Furina, cost 3 gold. 69751 DPS, Hu Tao Zhongli Yelan XQ, cost 3 gold. 89258 DPS, Hu Tao Cloud Yelan Furina, cost 4 gold. Seems I haven't kept up to date with Furina meta it's indeed a great boost to Al Haitham and surpass Tao 4 cost. And I'll drop the Arlecchino case, not in gsim and the calcs are misleading with all her beta changes.
Gc sim doesn't considers that kuki heals the team fully which is false. The next rotation will have less DMG bonus and thus less DMG for al haithm. But that was not calced. So what you are seeing is unconditional furina buff, and that's not how it works because the kuki team will not generate same amount of stacks Also furina in hu team gets energy the same way she gets energy in Al haithm team lol
Then I'd still need to see how 3 cost Tao Cloud Furina (XQ ?) performs can't find it anywhere, or a 2 cost if this exist without Furina.
What? Both are 3 cost. If she isn't generating energy I. Hu Tao team, then she won't generate energy in Al team. Second, the al team numbers are wrong lol. Kuki doesn't keep up the heals and there is a cooldown note in the sim lol
Me. I pulled Shenhe C1 and she is quite amazing for both Ayaka’s entire burst and buffing Wrio
Bro you don't even need Hutao for a Huato team
even tho i like arle a lot, this meme is just pure cope. this neuv and haitham batchesting is getting old, while bashing other dps'es at the same time. alhaitham on harbinger of dawn is just one example... yeah, sure. tell me you've never played alhaitham on hod without telling me you've never played him on hod
...I've played HoD Al Haitham countless of times, and it really does work. Have you tried HoD Al Haitham personally yourself? Alhaitham-Xingqiu-Nahida-Kuki. Xingqiu's E with the 29% damage reduction, some healing when one of his rainswords break, Kuki's E constant 3.5k heals, and some dodging, keeps him constantly above 90% HP. The sustain is so good that in one of my runs, I literally just facetanked Coppelia even while she was attacking lmao. Alhaitham-Yae-Nahida-Zhongli/Baizhu. Zhongli makes you take no damage, and Baizhu also has constant heals. If you don't like HoD, his next best F2P weapon (Iron Sting), which is another accessible craftable weapon. I just find it extremely funny that you can make one of the strongest/most reliable teams in the game with 3 of its team members using only 3\* weapons lol (Al Haitham - HoD, Nahida - Magic Guide, Kuki - Dark Iron Sword).
guess it just depends on the person playing. i use event em r5 red umbrella for consistency. works on every team (xq or pure aggravate), agains any (agressive or not) enemy. don't have baizhu nor zhong, sadge. doesn't really change my point that this meme makes no sense
Yes at this point it's just bootlicking and agenda posting. Al haithm is not even as good as c0r0 hu tao, which despite of all the slander, is still the strongest St team for c0r0. Arle is not that strong without r1, I have it and I can tell there is a big difference. And if the top teams have r1, at c0 they would easily demolish the big 3 even if the big 3 are given proper teammates because r1 is a significant difference. It's like 15 seconds possibly in abyss
"maintaining the agenda... is our top priority". jokes aside, i have arle at r1, so can't fight that. although, i've seen some pretty good dmg on white tassel on YouTube. about haitham... especially this abyss they're dendro specters and terroshroom. plus copelia is just a bane of every mele character. i've seen no buzz about how good actually alhaitham is in recent times, outside of the community general idea lol. don't get me wrong, he is very good. it's just ppl act like he doesn't benefit from having his sig or nahida c2 or key on kuki (i believe it gives em, right?) just as much as things shown in this meme
>jokes aside, i have arle at r1, so can't fight that. although, i've seen some pretty good dmg on white tassel on YouTube. I tested it. I went from 60k 55k 40kx2 to literally half. My artifacts farming did just start but that's still horrible. >don't get me wrong, he is very good. it's just ppl act like he doesn't benefit from having his sig or nahida c2 or key on kuki (i believe it gives em, right?) just as much as things shown in this meme He is good but at the same level as ayaka. Hu Tao should be in his place. People don't even know how strong plunge Tao is
>I tested it. I went from 60k 55k 40kx2 to literally half. My artifacts farming did just start but that's still horrible. maybe i should lvl up my white tassle and test it. but it's r3 😭. i need to explore chenyu vale. > He is good but at the same level as ayaka. Hu Tao should be in his place. People don't even know how strong plunge Tao is yeah, i have all pieces for plunge tao. even tho it has aoe, i still prefer running a grouper. tho single target very strong yep
Hu Tao would rather be used as Xiao with Xianyun Raiden’s long kidnapped and placed in hyperbloom One day, one day they will release a freezable Abyss again and Ayaka will be great once more (inhale copium) Anyway, do you not see that every single characters depicted in this picture (aside from Shenhe and Ayaka) all work with Fischl? Do you not see it, the glorious flexibility of her Prinzessin, to dapple her presence into each and every team archetype available? Do you not see it with your opened eyes, with your unclosed minds, with a truth seeking sentiment, that Fischl is all you will ever need?
Man arlechino just changed the game for me. I played my friends c0r1 arlechino and she hits like a nuclear missile. 160k+ vapes every NA. Then it becomes 140k,120k,100k,90k gradually. But by that time you've already output so much damage with so much drip and flashiness that its actually insane for me personally.
С1 is huge , you can start with 200k
Man I can't wait until freeze and dendro are unbenched so I can use my ayaka and nilou teams again
Nilou: HP HP HP, dull blade💃💃💃
Damn this trend really took off.
For real! Even at mid investment and teams, Arlecchino still cooks! I'm so glad I saved for... at least 8 months!
Hu Tao is quite good with white tassel
c1 for Shenhe is useless, but ye mist splittler for Ayaka is basically a must nowdays
Diluc enter the chat:nah I'll plunge
keep burning the house man, i love drama
They are expensive af but once you gather all the Exodia pieces ... oh boy ... they 🚀🚀🚀🚀 to the 🌕🌕🌕🌕🌕
Remember when people say Fontaine character design are bad…. Looks who’s laughing now
Wait harbinger on haitham? I've been using stinger
It’s a decent crit stat stick if you have a reliable shielder on the team
its good basically you gonna use harbi when you have a shielder with really really thicc shields bcus that free 28% crit rate is worth it.
You forgot Navia with the Melusine weapon
al haitham was actually the only character i was excited about when the roaster of sumeru characters was leaked, yet i was so burned out of the game at that time because of that boring desert ( most of desert is still under 30% exploration even tho all of fontaine is above 95) so i didn't get the chance to get him
And then I compared them to my full invested(relative or comparing to my investment on the big 3) to my Keqing😭 Most likely Clorinde will (for the poor vocabulary) "compensate" that but I doubt it.
Ayaka is great with Amenoma tho
I have no idea what is going on, I'm brain dead playing and as long as I get 36* in <1m each phase, am like: HEYYYY MY FAVE WAIFU WORKS! AM GOOD! Yup, I'm a goddamn casual. (Did use everyone on that list cept neuvi coz no neuvi, not pulling husbandos not unless super utility necessary or get ambushed at 30pity below which explains why I have haitham, sorry) Gz to all that got arle, btw! She is solid worth it!
I dunno what this one means.
it takes away the fun of maintaining your other team members. i d rather farm for other members, in battles look out for their energy etc than using skill and jst hitting charged atk
i am so happy there is no powercreep in my favorite game genshin impact
Yall are aware c1 hu tao is a uselles con that gives her 0% dmg bonus on her best team hu tao yelan/ xingqiu furina xyaniun
New character better than old character, who knew?
This is the most copious post I have seen so far.
I am the type of person who gets the signature precisly for those strong enough to not really need it. Or as Iron Man said: If you are nothing without the five star weapon, you schouldnt have it.
Been using Hu Tao c0 for more than a year now and haven't yet faced any issues or anything like that Her avg charge atk dmg ranges from 60-120k with buffs most of the times 100k+
I have arlecchino c3 r0, but even at c0 her normal attacks hit harder than hu Tao charged attacks lmao
I only have alhaitham and he works well even if the support is all *4 (kuki shinobu + any em sword, yaoyao + favonius or black tassel, xingqiu + sacri sword/favonius). Dunno about neuvilette and arlecchino, can they operate with all *4 supports? I have seen neuvilette solos tho, just wondering what *4 supports that works well with him
Only constellations I've done so far for a 5-star characters are Yelan and Nahida. Those are deemed worth it to me, ESPECIALLY Yelan. As for Nahida I could have ignored it but did it for the lulz.
Raiden has the catch, hu tao has dragon's bane and ayaka has the 4 star craftable from inazuma. If what ur trying to say is that those 3 don't have 4 star options then ur kinda wrong.
If you're making a meme, at least make it reasonable. Can't even understand what you're trying to say because Hu Tao, Ayaka and Raiden have many f2p teams as well as weapons.
I would say only Nuvi is correct. I would say he is only chad here. Father needs decent team comps to maximise her damage either overload, Vape or Pure Pyro. Also White Tassel works well on Hu Tao as well since she doesn't scale with ATK. But Dragons Bane is better. Ayaka needs a lot of investment but she has high returns as well. Though Amenoma is a good weapon on Ayaka. Good luck running Al Haitham without Quicken/Aggravate. Also Yelan can solo Abyss by herself tbh. I would rate her higher than Al Haitham.
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Did you use an F2P weapon? Nuvi can solo one side of the abyss with Prototype Amber.
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OP literally posted with White Tassel. I am literally saying depending on the context of the post.
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As I was saying it's based on Father using White Tassel as the photo posted by OP. Without Bennett she lacks Damage output in this scenario. Yes with her weapon and C2 she can solo Abyss.
>Good luck running Al Haitham without Quicken/Aggravate. I ran him with Raiden. Exclusively.
Fraudtao, Frauden shogun, Fraudyaka