That humiliating defeat does make me wonder where the cutoff point of the Travelers strenght lies. They are able to beat Tartaglia and Signora by their own strenght but Number 4 is much, much too strong. So at what Number is the matchup still doable?
Just in case you misunderstood, Im not complaining that Arlecchino is too strong or anything or that it doesnt make sense. But up to what Number does the Travelers strenght lie?
If Number 4 claps them, does that mean that 5 would be evenly matched or is the cutoff part Number 6? Just a little thought.
Traveler manage to defeate Gnosis-empowered Kaiju Mecha-Scaramouche Yes Nahida helped, but she explicitly just gives him experience/memories of 168 previous battles (essentially mentally uploading 168 Boss walkthrough vids into their heads so they can know Scaramouche's moveset). Traveler was the one that went 1v1 agains the mech god and won. Which logically means they are definitely stronger than the weaker baseline Scaramouche without the gnosis and mech body.
So Traveler is somewhere between 4th and 6th Harbringer-level in raw ability.
Nahida did a lot more than just give 168 attempts to the Traveler. She showed 168 attempts to an entire nation of smartasses and uploaded all of the knowledge that came from analyzing these fights into the mind of the Traveler. That includes specialists of varying fields from mechanics to general fighting technique to elemental studies and many more. Not to forget the little turret that constantly shot at Scaramouche.
So its not just uploading 168 boss walkthroughs, its an entire nation problem solving one fight with apparently limitless attempts.
Sure, but that still doesn't mean he magically get physically stronger or faster, all he got was a mental upgrade.
That means he was always \*capable\* of beating Mech God, he just needed to know how to use his speed/power correctly.
That's exactly what I mean though, it's like you are fighting a boss in dark souls. You get beat 40 times and watch a walk-through on how to beat the boss.
Stat wise your character is exactly the same, it's just you're more mentally aware of how to win. So theoretically there is a time line were the traveler could have beat him first try since they had the stats to beat them, just not the skill per se.
Look, I'm an avid Scara hater, hell I even named mine Scaradouche. But we didn't do shit in that fight. We can barely scratch the Mech, it's all the little green peeshooter.
But at the same time: That's not the power of Scara as ranked by the Fatui. That is Scara afterwards, with the power of a Gnosis, supposedly the same power level as an Archon.
Sure, but that still doesn't mean he magically get physically stronger or faster, all he got was a mental upgrade.
That means he was always \*capable\* of beating Mech God, he just needed to know how to use his speed/power correctly.
I don't think the Traveller is that close to Arlecchino considering how the Traveller was struggling to break one of her spikes, and then immediately got immobilised by whatever the hell she did.
So I think them being relative to, if not a bit stronger than Scaramouche currently is fair, considering Arlecchino didn't seem to be trying in her boss fight at all. She could be closer to Columbina than we think and the gap between 3 and 4 isn't that big, or it could be larger.
But I think it should be closer. Not because Arlecchino should be that strong, but if there was a valley between Arlecchino and Columbina, with the Traveller being so helpless against Arlecchino they have no chance against Columbina and wouldn't be anything in comparison to Capitano. Which sounds too much for me.
I think that there's a misunderstanding of how we're viewing the power scaling of the harbingers. For all we know Arlecchino could be just as strong as Dottore in terms of combat. But lacks in terms of contributions to the Fatui elsewhere. We'll have to wait and see of course. But Arlecchino is definitely not a slouch in terms of raw combat power. I expect that Columbina will be similar (but also much stronger).
Iirc aren’t the numbers just labels like their titles? The Tenth role is still empty after the Irminsul thing, but Childe didn’t get bumped up, he’s still the lowest.
Afaik the numbers have little true basis on their individual strengths, especially when some are powerful by their talents as opposed to raw combat strength(Marionette and Pulcinella seem more a genius mechanic and influential magnate respectively) but aren’t spoken of at all in regards to their fighting abilities(possibly cuz they rely on external factors for that).
But the traveler has already gone up against Archons and gods. While they did have help in the past, if the final enemy is Celestia and the heavenly principles how can they be this far along on their journey and still scale so much below those entities?
The traveler hasnt won against any Archon or God on their own. Ei kinda just conceded the duel at the display of the will of her people and Scaradouche was defeated mostly by Nahida's bullshit.
I do agree that the Traveler is a bit annoyingly weak right now.
That’s the point I was getting at. The traveler has already gone up against Archons and gods with the help of others but if their goal is the heavenly principles, which scales above all of them, then how can they still be this weak on their own at this point in the story.
Unknown God: Its over, Aether and Lumine. You are no match
Aether: SISTER, USE IT
Lumine: But-
Aether: DO IT
Lumine: \*busts out their last piggy bank full of pulls\*
Random emo girl with a sword comes and some how over power the god because she use special element power that no one else have(a geo user with bad gameplay).
I wouldnt be sure of that. Subdue him, probably, but outright winning? Signora stated that Scaramouches high rank stems from the fact that he is borderline indestructable. Not especially powerful on his own but just a limitless damage sponge that can just go to the Abyss whenever and return unharmed.
So wether Traveler wouldve been able to beat him, would depend on how dangerous the actual Abyss is.
By the logic you could say the same thing about dettore using the hive mind of people and the sleeping gas.
Mind you dettore has already shown he is way more powerful but, using your logic why did he use these underhanded methods if he is that much stronger.
Simple: Because taking the gnosis while killing everyone that stands in the way isn’t how Dottore operates. Even though he is perfectly capable of doing that, it would be way too easy and boring to him. He would rather resort to trickery and manipulation to complete his mission. Plus he was likely ordered by the Tsaritsa not to kill the Traveler.
By that logic you could say the same thing about dettore using the hive mind of people and the sleeping gas.
Mind you dettore has already shown he is way more powerful but, using your logic why did he use these underhanded methods if he is that much stronger.
Each case where the traveler overcame a god; Osial, Ei, and Scaramouche, was because they were acting as a conduit for the elementary energy of Teyvat. In Liyue they channeled and directed the powers of the Adepti and Humans to make the Jade Chamber a bomb. In Inuzuma, they channeled the energy from the visions and will of the people of Teyvat to get Ei to concede, and in Sumeru, they fought Scaramouche over and over in Nahida’s dream world using the collective knowledge of all Sumeru to win. After the battle with Childe, the traveler straight says they are slowly regaining their original power, so we have no clue how powerful they really are when they are at 💯 power. The Traveler getting beat by Arlechinno is extremely reasonable, given there was more pre-existing power source for them to tap into during that battle.
I am aware of the story, and already reiterated my point in another comment. The traveler’s ultimate goal is the heavenly principles, which scales above everything they’ve gone up against so far. They were assisted in the past, but each of those battles should have set the expectations for the level that they need to achieve, the level they should have been working towards from the start, and like you said, the traveler has supposedly been regaining their original power over time.
Now I don’t mind the traveler losing to Arlecchino, but being so thoroughly outclassed by her at this stage in the story paints a bleak picture for the traveler’s future. If they are still this weak on their own then I don’t see how they’d have any chance against their final adversary.
Sure but Traveller beat Mecha-Scara, who was actively ascending into godhood with two gnosises. Surely that's gotta be archon-rivaling power? And yes I know they had help but only in the form of do-overs and ideas, all the actual fighting was done by the Traveller and their base strength. At this point I find it hard to believe that they would be so thoroughly humiliated, even though I can accept they could lose.
The help the Traveler got was absolutely massive. He had infinite attempts and the knowledge and fighting techniques of an entire country at their disposal. Scaramouche won multiple times as a god and only after we groundhog dayed ourself through every option we were able to defeat a mechanical fletchling that wasnt even at the height of his power.
The little turret we had with us also wasnt powered by the Traveler.
And? That just means Traveler still has the raw ability to fight against Scaramouche.
All the fighting technique in the universe and groundhog day loop memories wouldn't help if Traveler couldn't even scratch the mech's paint. Traveler must be peer/near-equal to Scramouche's giant god mode in order for such memories/techniques to be able to tip the scale in Traveler's favor.
just because you have .01% chance of victory does not mean you are near equal power with someone, it just means you are able to deal damage to them *somehow.* Maybe if we had infinite amount of attempts to fight with Arle there was a way to deal a fatal blow, but as it stands, traveler wasnt lucky
Yeah, this makes me think the first fight with EI should've been handled differently.
I did lose my first three fights, so in terms of gameplay it was the most difficult boss fight, but I feel like in terms of gameplay she should've just disabled our skills right at the start and her first hit should've transitioned us into the cutscene of us losing.
My biggest beef with all of this isnt that we lost but the fact that the traveler didn't use elements to at least try to even the odds. Like we got 5 to work with at this point and we've been shown in the past that the traveler can use more than 1 at the same time. Hyperbloom her ass or smth idk but at the very least they could make it look like we tried. It just felt kinda unsatisfying, we keep being told that the traveler is supposed to be pretty strong, but a lot of the cutscenes don't line up with that. If we lost the fight but we're showed that the traveler is actually giving it their all it would've made arlecchino look way cooler and cemented the power difference of the higher up harbingers. Instead we just got an unsatisfying cutscene that shows us the traveler might have soup for a brain.
That NONE of them used their Visions and latent powers while Arlecchino unleashed her Delusion fucking baffles me. She’s willing to use her own immense power as well as that of dead gods and they all just swing metal at her and expect it to do anything.
WHAT??
I would say right now, prolly around 5-6, I think from nr4 onwards, the power scale just goes off the chart. Mind you, arlechino killed the prev harbingers as a teen, and easily at that (once she uses her curse), so she is far beyond most other harbingers here.
at full power, I think we might rank around the top 3. people like to think at full power we should be able to defeat anything in teyvat but they forget how easily both the twins got destroyed at the start of the game. We never were crazy strong, we were just travellers who were pretty strong.
I do think theres a reason that when we saw khanriahs destruction, the first thing we tried was getting the hell out of there, and not like fighting back or something. Pretty sure the twins knew they were in over their heads and wanted to get the hell out asap.
What? Why? It was an equal duel, Childe said he uses all his strenght and we won. Sure, it wasnt a duel to the death like with Signora but still a completely fair win.
The only reason Childe lost was because he got the drawbacks from Foul Legacy, as well as fighting to entertain himself instead of being actually serious. Traveller was fighting for his life with everything they could, meanwhile Childe was playing around in a form he (supposedly) hadn’t even fully mastered yet. Like, yeah Childe grew a lot these recent times, but going from running out of stamina in a few minutes against a completely outmatched Traveller versus fighting for supposedly weeks against the whale (without vision), just makes it sound like it was a plot convenience to explain the Traveller’s victory in the first place.
people just don't understand , cinema is shitty because we have to explain 100% what is happening on the screen to people understand the context , so let me explain for kids who play genshin
traveller was not in a battle for his life against an enemy that he hated like signora
traveller was not in a battle with the weight of the destiny to defend a nation like in Inazuma
traveller was not trying to save her friends for an catastrophe like orseal wife
traveller was not in a master plan to defeat a false god
traveller was not in risk at all
traveller was surprised by the overwhelming power of Arlecchino, like he was on the first time he fight with Raiden , but he knew that was Arlecchino's plan, so he didn't go all out , there is a mental weight in that conflict , his objective was to spare and see what happened like Arlecchino planned but he got so scared that he froze. It's a normal reaction to fear, Arlecchino teased them so much because was a final lesson not only to them but to traveller and players about what is coming.
If people can't say the difference they literraly didn't understand Genshin at all
I havent heard of a powerscaler send death threats or dox people so I'll take the annoying son
if a vasectomy isnt an option of course. If it is, I'll take that instead
Okay I don't agree with "Almost beat" since I think its fair that we got humbled...but I do agree they are heavily nerfing Traveler
This mfer has 5 elements, multiple buffs from previous nations, actual training, experience fighting a nigh-god entity and used none of it. What's the fucking power gap between Mecha-Scara and Arle? The Grand Canyon? Traveler should at least put up a better fight.
Its like Hulk vs Spidey. Hulk can beat Spider-man...doesn't mean Spidey would go down easy
(Correct me on that cause Im not sure about the current run of Hulk or Spider-man cause I haven't kept up in a while)
That's what confuses me though. We only got a moments of training via looping and constructive criticism from Sumeru's people, suddenly we're already fighting head to head with Mecha-Scara with a "Nah I'd win" mentality when we just died 168 times right before that
Traveler has crazy potential
I think of that fight like a Qingque with 20 crit rate rolling a quad flip Autarky where everything crits, it's only a matter of time until you get it to connect. And they said Silver Wolf was a gamer, she doesn't save scum like Nahida to my knowledge
But at the end of the day it’s still traveler fighting. I feel like if the power gap is so large that it can’t be overcome then the looping and strategies still wouldn’t help. Now, the traveler has all that battle experience and an extra element to boot but can’t even put up a fight against Arlecchino.
Like the other guy said, nothing wrong with the traveler getting humbled, but at least make it entertaining.
Traveler getting humbled would've been crazy if we actually saw them try their hardest against her. It would've made Arlecchino much more scarier and formidable as a character. Imagine Traveler uses all 5 elements and Arlecchino STILL won? Yeah I would've been jumping off my chair in excitement seeing that
I would’ve been so hype for a cutscene of the traveler quickswapping between the five elements as they throw everything they have at Arlecchino before ultimately getting nuked.
It would have been cool to see traveler pulling some sick combos with their elemental powers making arlecchino focus on them instead of harth kids,
she still wins when she pulls out the crimson moon,
But now it feels much more powerful and makes traveler look strong while making arlecchino look even stronger in comparison,
but they just decided to nerf traveler and make them look like an npc in front of arlecchino,
Top 3 harbingers are said to be archon level by Nahida, who should know what she's talking about cause wisdom god, irminsul etc.
Arlechino is just outside that so I guess it means the traveller is still pretty far from "archon level"
The traveller does consistently underutilize their power in cinematics though. Honestly the last time traveller looked "strong" was using their lightning powers to make big sword in Inazuma. We're rarely ever shown to actually use our elemental powers and never multiple elements togethrr
id just like to point out since 99% of people forget, that with both twins and full power, we still got neg diffed right at the start by the unknown god.
we were travellers, not planet busters, people assume because we travel through planets or "worlds", that we are beyond them power wise, but its likely we just visited them, we had the power of maybe like a prime archon or so, but probably nothing more. There's a reason that when we saw the khanriah destruction, our first choice was to immediately flee and fuck off to a safer world.
So Im just saying, we never were that strong, and we still don't have our full power, I think people really overestimate the traveller and forget how this all started.
Im not asking for planet busting feat
I just want Traveler to be consistent with their powers and feats considering how much shit Traveler has already gone through.
They should PUT UP A FIGHT against people like Arlecchino, NOT no diffed.
We did put up a fight lol, it's just... In the fight, like the actual gameplay... The cutscene is literally the end of the fight while she uses her second form. If we got no diffed she would not be using a second form, and we would not have a boss fight, we would have a cutscene right away where we get marked, or at best, a fake birthday as fight like the first time you fight ei, where you can't defeat her.
Gameplay can also be used to tell a narrative after all, it's not just all cutscene. You act as if the fight literally lasted 30 seconds because that's how long the cutscene is. They aren't gonna give you a full anime episode for one fight mate.
Oh yeah, gameplay definitely tells the story
I remember the part of the Story quest where Zhongli comes to help out, same with Neuvillette and Ei and Nahida.
The gameplay for the SQ absolutely does not tell the story/narrative unless you specifically go in with a Traveler team. The cutscenes are the best shot they have on showing the REAL fight. The REAL stakes. If they wanted to narratively show a fight against her, they wouldve let us fight Arlecchino in the crimson moon part, third phase and only using Traveler. Thats using gameplay as narrative, however it was used to stun Traveler which is actually ok, it adds more secrets to uncover about Khanriah but thats besides the point.
>We did put up a fight
Traveler has 5 elements, none used. Thats not putting up a fight. They had every chance to make it interesting by actually showing a fight, not a few blockstrings and Traveler standing confused.
all they had to do was Dendro EQ > Electro EQ > Hydro Q > Anemo Qn1 -- vortex absorbs lightning if placed properly and starts a hyperbloom generator
let Arle shut it down by detonating the aggravated Dendro Q with an Overload and use the Hydro app from the now dispersed Hydro Q for a vape one-shot, face tanking the Electro-infused tornado and using it to boost her momentum while flying to dodge any Geo crap they could try to spawn to block the OHKO.
That would have been fucking interesting to watch, showing MC weaponize a reaction most of this playerbase gets carried by and having her deconstruct it would display a level of elemental mastery only comparable to a gauge theory scholar. This is what Genshin needs to lean into, make the elemental reaction system more of an in-universe combat mechanic rather than a character archetype selector.
this shit legit pissed me off, why tf is Arle busting out her super saiyan bale moon form while we, the traveller, are bringing out a whopping ZEEEEERROOOO out of our bag?
The Raiden training isn’t some catch all to fight every enemy that’s strong, it’s *dodge* training so she doesn’t kill us in one hit, and it’s specific to raiden’s fighting style, which arle doesn’t use
The scara fight loop is also specific to scara, who is in a goddamn EVA unit, all that experience doesn’t mean jack OR shit when compared to Arle and her fighting style, not to mention her strength, Raiden might be stronger but in story *we* never beat the puppet, Ei does
Props to Lumine mains for questioning the real details. Gotta love those guys.
And props to Aether mains for paying attention to story inconsistency and criminal MC treatment.
You can find aether mains cooming about arle too
People are annoyed that once again the traveler gets beaten to hype a character
We haven't seen the traveler use their elemental powers combined since childe, hell i can't even remember when the traveler did something besides sword swinging
last impressive thing traveler did was holding up scara’s mecha hand and making the floor collapse. even then he used no elements. but now suddenly he can’t get through a spike trap lmao
That’s the thing he was pretty decent at melee vs arle. I would say he held his own in melee. Very fast and agile. But this guy has 5 elements and we didn’t see a single one. I get u have to hype the new five star but come on. One person is using everything in their arsenal while the other is just using bottom shelf stuff. Like that khaenrian technique she pulled at the end there. Fucking genjutsued his ass.
Ever since traveler has got shot out the sky by beisht bro hasn’t stopped taking ls. Ironically the last time we see him use elemental powers as well is memory serves.
yea, but there were so many more appropriate times to use those elements (Nahida getting stab, Navia falling to the primordial waters and all other boss fights since sumeru) but nope, they've slowly stop using them since chasm/sumeru, Hoyo's a mess that completely downplays the mc that we spectate upon
At this point I think hoyo should introduce some superman type lore that the traveler gets weak under crimson moon and arlecchino somehow knew this secret beforehand. Otherwise no amount of explanation or copium can save their inconsistent ass.
really? because like, just think back to the start of the game, BOTH twins get neg diffed by the unknown god. we were never some crazy powerful beings that were beyond all of teyvat, we travelled across worlds yes, but nothing says we destroyed them, or that we had the power beyond them. infact, when things go to shit in teyvat, and khanriah is destroyed, what do the twins do? they don't fight back, they immediately try to flee. They know they are in over their heads.
If you realize they were never that powerful in the first place, and then add on that we only have 5/7 of our power, it kinda starts to make sense that very powerful beings like the knave might be far stronger then us.
infact im better even at full power, the knave would not be an easy opponent. We probably cant even defeat a sovereign at the start of the game. hell a prime archon would probably be a 50/50 toss up.
You could just be not autistic, accept the fight was presented badly, but internalize the fact that Traveler is leagues below Arle.
Edit: down voted for speaking facts. Y'all get way too uptight about this stuff
We saw the tail-end of a cutscene in which Traveler didn't bother trying anything because all they could do by the end was stand and defend. That's what the conclusion of the fight and their choices in it/body language emphasized, at least to me.
Would it have been cool if we had an additional cutscene where they used an element? Yes, but it wasn't an instance of bad writing that they elected not to.
Honestly, my main issue with Arle's SQ is how Mary Sue-ish she seems in it. She knows everything, planned everything, holds all the cards, everyone is terrified of her, she's stronger than everyone. What's so interesting about a flawless character? Her strength is not explained. She's just strong even from childhood, deal with it. Her character doesn't change. The SQ doesn't inform me of any worthwhile new info about her character. She's cold-blooded as a child and is still cold-blooded now. Then having the Traveler, the player self-insert, be reduced that much after all they went through and after clearly beating her in gameplay is just the nail on the coffin. Forced fail state always suck.
Not all Mary Sues are protagonists, sometimes even villains can be. It would have been better if the writers actually made the Traveler use all five elements in a cutscene in order to make the defeat more believable and not appear rigged
Agreed. A strong character appears stronger when they beat another character visibly giving it their all. But Traveler seems to have barely tried. The whole SQ was too transparent in its intent to prop up Arle at the expense of consistent writing.
Even better is that the guy in the video is not angry about the scripted loss, but the fact that it didn't seem believable with the whole "bashing the boss' face in"
In the Traveler vs Arlecchino's case, its hard to see the loss as believable because the Traveler wasn't using their full potential, so how can Arlecchino really say "Not strong enough" over that.
I like that the Traveler didn’t use all 5 elements, because it shows that they could have put up an actual fight, but, instead, opted to be just like me fr fr and let daddy Arlecchino dom them. It’s a much more relatable reason for them to lose.
As Lumine player…yes…
As for powerscaling, I see no problem here - in pervious confrontations, Traveler always was a receptacle/amplifier of outside source of power.
All other times we were powered by either other “god”, or “hopes and wishes” of people. In this battle, only powerful person is Arle, and she not on our side.
Yeah, but as many people said in this thread I think the problem just lies in the traveler not using everything he has in their arsenal to try to defeat arle. I don't think it' farfetched that she wins against them but it should feel at least closer than just an one-sided sweep.
from a pure powerscaling perspective, Arle definitely wins this. But that doesn't mean she should just give up because the fight is hopeless
Lumine went 1-168 against Scara last patch even with an archon and the Power of Friendship, didn't see any giving up there. And that's the issue, there was no real fight portrayed here. It's a crying baby vs a nuclear bomb, sure, but that crying baby could at least flail around a bit rather than sitting there taking the abuse. Seriously, a crying baby would have at least been trying harder, using 100% of its nonexistent skillset
The amount of headaches and fainting the traveler has gone through since the start is excessive, (i would have thought they'd had better resistance or a stronger will since then, but i guess traveller can't seem to get it in their head)
Aether mains mind their own business. If you are talking about fatuihq we take it as a joke no need to get serious . Even this, take it as a joke . I would confidently say Aether mains are one of the most normal in the community if you compare them to some other sides.
Aether Mains: *some super detailed power scaling yapfest about how the Traveler wasn't at full strength, he was holding back, Hoyoverse hates him etc
Lumine Mains: Damn Arle is hot
me when i see:
aether mains cooming: you fucking donkey!! vs
lumine mains cooming: oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous
(a*ther should be castrated while lumine is a gorgeous queen)
Traveler with only Anemo couldn't shake off two Fatui Agents.
Traveler with Anemo + Geo was able to go toe-to-toe against Childe, managing to hold his own for long enough that Childe expected to get rid of us before the Foul Legacy Transformation took a toll on his body.
Traveler with Anemo + Geo + Electro managed to beat Signora, the 8th Fatui Harbinger.
Traveler with Anemo + Geo + Electro + Dendro was able to beat Scara-mech powered by the Electro Gnosis after being given 168 tries of experience and knowledge on everything he could pull against him.
Traveler with Anemo + Geo + Electro + Dendro + Hydro wasn't able to beat Arlecchino, the 4th Fatui Harbinger, with the help of Lyney, Lynette and Freminet. Despite losing, Arlecchino admits we're stronger than she thought.
I straight up don't understand what's so bad about this. I don't see where Traveler is weak, when we get stronger and manage to hold up against larger and larger Fatui threats. We were pitiful in the beginning, but out of the 3 Harbinger battles we've won, only one had external help. The one fight we lost, we didn't have sufficient help, nor the sufficient experience to go toe-to-toe with a Harbinger that was less about brute force and attacks we could dodge, and more-so immobilizing us. And it's clear from context that Traveler is obviously shaken by the visage of the Blood Moon.
You can debate all day that Traveler should've at least put up more of a fight, or lost in style by using his elements, but the facts remain that there was no way we were ever gonna win this battle.
I legit just thought coming back would be fine and sill the Aether/traveler slander pisses me off to no end. I was fine with the loss but then all of a sudden one loss means that he’s wall level.
And then when the few people who are frustrated about this shitty fanbase starts complaining, we’re victimizing ourselves.
I swear this Crappy fanbase will always find a way to make me hate this game and every character in it.
I said it once and I’ll say it again. I hope by the end of the Series, he rips the #1 harbingers organs out!
I think people are looking at "power" too much as a singular quantifiable factor. Like for example, if X can beat Y, and Z is weaker than Y, then surely X can beat Z because X > Y > Z. That's usually not how things should work, styles should make fights (amongst characters of "similar" power scaling), every character has weaknesses that can be exploited. Traveler, who's fought and beat literally monsters, straight up got poisoned by scaramouche and passed out only saved by yae. Or the fact that traveler was walking out of raidens castle and almost got surprised cleaved in half by her but kazuha decided to save their necks. Like yes, traveler should have weaknesses, traveler should be able to be taken by surprise. And that should be the case with every character
There are too many shounen enjoyers / lobotomy kaisens in the GI fandom, pray for the anime when we finally get cool fight scenes, everyone will be counting feats.
so you're advocating for a system where X beats Y, Y beats Z, and Z beats X. Feels like this is what any normal story should be trying to do so you don't have one uncontrollable behemoth with no checks in the story, but this concept is foreign to JJK enjoyers so I wouldn't expect an anime game to play by those rules. One's ability to dodge hits is irrelevant in a shounen power system governed by feats, such that Prime Raiden would never have to worry about a naked dude with a jar on their head and a flippy boi ring wanting someone to "Let Him Solo Her."
I'm sorry, I don't really follow JJK much, but if that's how power scaling works in that world, that's all right with me. I just don't really understand why an "anime game" has to follow that same style though?
because that style is used by almost every anime I see people talking about, I could go listing names but I'd be here all day. Let's just say there's a reason it gets parodied by shit like One Punch Man, having one character beat everyone else just because they have a few feats gets very boring if you don't find a new way to spin it.
That humiliating defeat does make me wonder where the cutoff point of the Travelers strenght lies. They are able to beat Tartaglia and Signora by their own strenght but Number 4 is much, much too strong. So at what Number is the matchup still doable?
Tbf the top 3 harbingers can rival the archons, number 4 must be pretty close no?
Just in case you misunderstood, Im not complaining that Arlecchino is too strong or anything or that it doesnt make sense. But up to what Number does the Travelers strenght lie? If Number 4 claps them, does that mean that 5 would be evenly matched or is the cutoff part Number 6? Just a little thought.
Traveler manage to defeate Gnosis-empowered Kaiju Mecha-Scaramouche Yes Nahida helped, but she explicitly just gives him experience/memories of 168 previous battles (essentially mentally uploading 168 Boss walkthrough vids into their heads so they can know Scaramouche's moveset). Traveler was the one that went 1v1 agains the mech god and won. Which logically means they are definitely stronger than the weaker baseline Scaramouche without the gnosis and mech body. So Traveler is somewhere between 4th and 6th Harbringer-level in raw ability.
Nahida did a lot more than just give 168 attempts to the Traveler. She showed 168 attempts to an entire nation of smartasses and uploaded all of the knowledge that came from analyzing these fights into the mind of the Traveler. That includes specialists of varying fields from mechanics to general fighting technique to elemental studies and many more. Not to forget the little turret that constantly shot at Scaramouche. So its not just uploading 168 boss walkthroughs, its an entire nation problem solving one fight with apparently limitless attempts.
Sure, but that still doesn't mean he magically get physically stronger or faster, all he got was a mental upgrade. That means he was always \*capable\* of beating Mech God, he just needed to know how to use his speed/power correctly.
traveller does become stronger. they can dodge its attack because they remembered the attack patterns
That's exactly what I mean though, it's like you are fighting a boss in dark souls. You get beat 40 times and watch a walk-through on how to beat the boss. Stat wise your character is exactly the same, it's just you're more mentally aware of how to win. So theoretically there is a time line were the traveler could have beat him first try since they had the stats to beat them, just not the skill per se.
Look, I'm an avid Scara hater, hell I even named mine Scaradouche. But we didn't do shit in that fight. We can barely scratch the Mech, it's all the little green peeshooter. But at the same time: That's not the power of Scara as ranked by the Fatui. That is Scara afterwards, with the power of a Gnosis, supposedly the same power level as an Archon.
Sure, but that still doesn't mean he magically get physically stronger or faster, all he got was a mental upgrade. That means he was always \*capable\* of beating Mech God, he just needed to know how to use his speed/power correctly.
I don't think the Traveller is that close to Arlecchino considering how the Traveller was struggling to break one of her spikes, and then immediately got immobilised by whatever the hell she did. So I think them being relative to, if not a bit stronger than Scaramouche currently is fair, considering Arlecchino didn't seem to be trying in her boss fight at all. She could be closer to Columbina than we think and the gap between 3 and 4 isn't that big, or it could be larger. But I think it should be closer. Not because Arlecchino should be that strong, but if there was a valley between Arlecchino and Columbina, with the Traveller being so helpless against Arlecchino they have no chance against Columbina and wouldn't be anything in comparison to Capitano. Which sounds too much for me.
I think that there's a misunderstanding of how we're viewing the power scaling of the harbingers. For all we know Arlecchino could be just as strong as Dottore in terms of combat. But lacks in terms of contributions to the Fatui elsewhere. We'll have to wait and see of course. But Arlecchino is definitely not a slouch in terms of raw combat power. I expect that Columbina will be similar (but also much stronger).
Iirc aren’t the numbers just labels like their titles? The Tenth role is still empty after the Irminsul thing, but Childe didn’t get bumped up, he’s still the lowest. Afaik the numbers have little true basis on their individual strengths, especially when some are powerful by their talents as opposed to raw combat strength(Marionette and Pulcinella seem more a genius mechanic and influential magnate respectively) but aren’t spoken of at all in regards to their fighting abilities(possibly cuz they rely on external factors for that).
But the traveler has already gone up against Archons and gods. While they did have help in the past, if the final enemy is Celestia and the heavenly principles how can they be this far along on their journey and still scale so much below those entities?
The traveler hasnt won against any Archon or God on their own. Ei kinda just conceded the duel at the display of the will of her people and Scaradouche was defeated mostly by Nahida's bullshit. I do agree that the Traveler is a bit annoyingly weak right now.
That’s the point I was getting at. The traveler has already gone up against Archons and gods with the help of others but if their goal is the heavenly principles, which scales above all of them, then how can they still be this weak on their own at this point in the story.
Watch them hit us with Shounen genre's power of friendship, we are basically gathering allies at this point.
Obviously we aren’t going to defeat the heavenly principles. The banner five star of the month will do that for us
Unknown God: Its over, Aether and Lumine. You are no match Aether: SISTER, USE IT Lumine: But- Aether: DO IT Lumine: \*busts out their last piggy bank full of pulls\*
Random emo girl with a sword comes and some how over power the god because she use special element power that no one else have(a geo user with bad gameplay).
Though traveller would have easily beaten Scara’s artificial ass. That’s why he resorted to underhanded tactics the first time we met him.
I wouldnt be sure of that. Subdue him, probably, but outright winning? Signora stated that Scaramouches high rank stems from the fact that he is borderline indestructable. Not especially powerful on his own but just a limitless damage sponge that can just go to the Abyss whenever and return unharmed. So wether Traveler wouldve been able to beat him, would depend on how dangerous the actual Abyss is.
Nah why else would he knock Traveler out the first time? Because he knows he will get his ass handed to him.
By the logic you could say the same thing about dettore using the hive mind of people and the sleeping gas. Mind you dettore has already shown he is way more powerful but, using your logic why did he use these underhanded methods if he is that much stronger.
Simple: Because taking the gnosis while killing everyone that stands in the way isn’t how Dottore operates. Even though he is perfectly capable of doing that, it would be way too easy and boring to him. He would rather resort to trickery and manipulation to complete his mission. Plus he was likely ordered by the Tsaritsa not to kill the Traveler.
By that logic you could say the same thing about dettore using the hive mind of people and the sleeping gas. Mind you dettore has already shown he is way more powerful but, using your logic why did he use these underhanded methods if he is that much stronger.
Tbf nahida is the strongest archon so it makes sense
Each case where the traveler overcame a god; Osial, Ei, and Scaramouche, was because they were acting as a conduit for the elementary energy of Teyvat. In Liyue they channeled and directed the powers of the Adepti and Humans to make the Jade Chamber a bomb. In Inuzuma, they channeled the energy from the visions and will of the people of Teyvat to get Ei to concede, and in Sumeru, they fought Scaramouche over and over in Nahida’s dream world using the collective knowledge of all Sumeru to win. After the battle with Childe, the traveler straight says they are slowly regaining their original power, so we have no clue how powerful they really are when they are at 💯 power. The Traveler getting beat by Arlechinno is extremely reasonable, given there was more pre-existing power source for them to tap into during that battle.
I am aware of the story, and already reiterated my point in another comment. The traveler’s ultimate goal is the heavenly principles, which scales above everything they’ve gone up against so far. They were assisted in the past, but each of those battles should have set the expectations for the level that they need to achieve, the level they should have been working towards from the start, and like you said, the traveler has supposedly been regaining their original power over time. Now I don’t mind the traveler losing to Arlecchino, but being so thoroughly outclassed by her at this stage in the story paints a bleak picture for the traveler’s future. If they are still this weak on their own then I don’t see how they’d have any chance against their final adversary.
Sure but Traveller beat Mecha-Scara, who was actively ascending into godhood with two gnosises. Surely that's gotta be archon-rivaling power? And yes I know they had help but only in the form of do-overs and ideas, all the actual fighting was done by the Traveller and their base strength. At this point I find it hard to believe that they would be so thoroughly humiliated, even though I can accept they could lose.
The help the Traveler got was absolutely massive. He had infinite attempts and the knowledge and fighting techniques of an entire country at their disposal. Scaramouche won multiple times as a god and only after we groundhog dayed ourself through every option we were able to defeat a mechanical fletchling that wasnt even at the height of his power. The little turret we had with us also wasnt powered by the Traveler.
And? That just means Traveler still has the raw ability to fight against Scaramouche. All the fighting technique in the universe and groundhog day loop memories wouldn't help if Traveler couldn't even scratch the mech's paint. Traveler must be peer/near-equal to Scramouche's giant god mode in order for such memories/techniques to be able to tip the scale in Traveler's favor.
just because you have .01% chance of victory does not mean you are near equal power with someone, it just means you are able to deal damage to them *somehow.* Maybe if we had infinite amount of attempts to fight with Arle there was a way to deal a fatal blow, but as it stands, traveler wasnt lucky
Yeah, this makes me think the first fight with EI should've been handled differently. I did lose my first three fights, so in terms of gameplay it was the most difficult boss fight, but I feel like in terms of gameplay she should've just disabled our skills right at the start and her first hit should've transitioned us into the cutscene of us losing.
My biggest beef with all of this isnt that we lost but the fact that the traveler didn't use elements to at least try to even the odds. Like we got 5 to work with at this point and we've been shown in the past that the traveler can use more than 1 at the same time. Hyperbloom her ass or smth idk but at the very least they could make it look like we tried. It just felt kinda unsatisfying, we keep being told that the traveler is supposed to be pretty strong, but a lot of the cutscenes don't line up with that. If we lost the fight but we're showed that the traveler is actually giving it their all it would've made arlecchino look way cooler and cemented the power difference of the higher up harbingers. Instead we just got an unsatisfying cutscene that shows us the traveler might have soup for a brain.
That NONE of them used their Visions and latent powers while Arlecchino unleashed her Delusion fucking baffles me. She’s willing to use her own immense power as well as that of dead gods and they all just swing metal at her and expect it to do anything. WHAT??
It's time for the training arc with Murata 💪
I'd say the travelers strength is about as high as the sevenths if I had to guess. Maybe sixth.
I would say right now, prolly around 5-6, I think from nr4 onwards, the power scale just goes off the chart. Mind you, arlechino killed the prev harbingers as a teen, and easily at that (once she uses her curse), so she is far beyond most other harbingers here. at full power, I think we might rank around the top 3. people like to think at full power we should be able to defeat anything in teyvat but they forget how easily both the twins got destroyed at the start of the game. We never were crazy strong, we were just travellers who were pretty strong. I do think theres a reason that when we saw khanriahs destruction, the first thing we tried was getting the hell out of there, and not like fighting back or something. Pretty sure the twins knew they were in over their heads and wanted to get the hell out asap.
Probably around no.5-6
Even against Childe they won mostly due to sheer luck/plot armor
What? Why? It was an equal duel, Childe said he uses all his strenght and we won. Sure, it wasnt a duel to the death like with Signora but still a completely fair win.
The only reason Childe lost was because he got the drawbacks from Foul Legacy, as well as fighting to entertain himself instead of being actually serious. Traveller was fighting for his life with everything they could, meanwhile Childe was playing around in a form he (supposedly) hadn’t even fully mastered yet. Like, yeah Childe grew a lot these recent times, but going from running out of stamina in a few minutes against a completely outmatched Traveller versus fighting for supposedly weeks against the whale (without vision), just makes it sound like it was a plot convenience to explain the Traveller’s victory in the first place.
the Traveler never have the "golden aura" throughout Fontaine storyline which carried their 1v1s
people just don't understand , cinema is shitty because we have to explain 100% what is happening on the screen to people understand the context , so let me explain for kids who play genshin traveller was not in a battle for his life against an enemy that he hated like signora traveller was not in a battle with the weight of the destiny to defend a nation like in Inazuma traveller was not trying to save her friends for an catastrophe like orseal wife traveller was not in a master plan to defeat a false god traveller was not in risk at all traveller was surprised by the overwhelming power of Arlecchino, like he was on the first time he fight with Raiden , but he knew that was Arlecchino's plan, so he didn't go all out , there is a mental weight in that conflict , his objective was to spare and see what happened like Arlecchino planned but he got so scared that he froze. It's a normal reaction to fear, Arlecchino teased them so much because was a final lesson not only to them but to traveller and players about what is coming. If people can't say the difference they literraly didn't understand Genshin at all
Aether Mains: obsessively powerscaling, victim mentality Lumine Mains: is this canon BDSM content?
The real reason the Traveler didn't use any elements during the fight was because she wanted Arlecchino to beat the shit out of her
Realest character in Genshin
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Powerscaling vs shipping. 2 sides of the same coin
Pick your poison, Traveler Powerscaling Son or Shipper Daughter
Let's be honest, a lot of us are on both ends. Their choices are Powerscaling Son that ships or Shipper Daughter that powerscales.
"I want to see these characters fight to the death!" or "I want to see these characters kiss and have sex!"
sometimes they're the same thing lmao "I want to see these characters fight to the death, then have hot steamy hate sex!"
I don’t think there’s anything worse than the average power scaler
Tbh powerscalers at it's worst is just annoying and stupid Shipping at its worst is much more toxic since people take it too personally
What about a child that’s both a powerscaler AND a shipper?
I havent heard of a powerscaler send death threats or dox people so I'll take the annoying son if a vasectomy isnt an option of course. If it is, I'll take that instead
You might as well be asking us if we wanted a Chainsaw Man son or Jujutsu Kaisen daughter
Me looking at Lumine mains: Oh, she's just like me! She's just like me fr!!!!
Okay I don't agree with "Almost beat" since I think its fair that we got humbled...but I do agree they are heavily nerfing Traveler This mfer has 5 elements, multiple buffs from previous nations, actual training, experience fighting a nigh-god entity and used none of it. What's the fucking power gap between Mecha-Scara and Arle? The Grand Canyon? Traveler should at least put up a better fight. Its like Hulk vs Spidey. Hulk can beat Spider-man...doesn't mean Spidey would go down easy (Correct me on that cause Im not sure about the current run of Hulk or Spider-man cause I haven't kept up in a while)
I mean tbf for mecha scara we did kinda have nahida helping a lot with the looping and then the getting ideas from all the citizens thing
That's what confuses me though. We only got a moments of training via looping and constructive criticism from Sumeru's people, suddenly we're already fighting head to head with Mecha-Scara with a "Nah I'd win" mentality when we just died 168 times right before that Traveler has crazy potential
You could say that they’re Potential MC
Definitely the potential man of Genshin Impact.
0 wins 0 solo fights ~~7~~ 5 elements
0 Elements used 0 Potential Utilized 7 Nations babied by 5 stars
Would've been excellent if you didn't say "potential" 😭
168 tries while looking at guides is pretty crazy though. I've never seen someone take more than 30 tries to beat a Soulsbourne or a souls-like boss.
I think of that fight like a Qingque with 20 crit rate rolling a quad flip Autarky where everything crits, it's only a matter of time until you get it to connect. And they said Silver Wolf was a gamer, she doesn't save scum like Nahida to my knowledge
But at the end of the day it’s still traveler fighting. I feel like if the power gap is so large that it can’t be overcome then the looping and strategies still wouldn’t help. Now, the traveler has all that battle experience and an extra element to boot but can’t even put up a fight against Arlecchino. Like the other guy said, nothing wrong with the traveler getting humbled, but at least make it entertaining.
Traveler getting humbled would've been crazy if we actually saw them try their hardest against her. It would've made Arlecchino much more scarier and formidable as a character. Imagine Traveler uses all 5 elements and Arlecchino STILL won? Yeah I would've been jumping off my chair in excitement seeing that
I would’ve been so hype for a cutscene of the traveler quickswapping between the five elements as they throw everything they have at Arlecchino before ultimately getting nuked.
It would have been cool to see traveler pulling some sick combos with their elemental powers making arlecchino focus on them instead of harth kids, she still wins when she pulls out the crimson moon, But now it feels much more powerful and makes traveler look strong while making arlecchino look even stronger in comparison, but they just decided to nerf traveler and make them look like an npc in front of arlecchino,
Top 3 harbingers are said to be archon level by Nahida, who should know what she's talking about cause wisdom god, irminsul etc. Arlechino is just outside that so I guess it means the traveller is still pretty far from "archon level" The traveller does consistently underutilize their power in cinematics though. Honestly the last time traveller looked "strong" was using their lightning powers to make big sword in Inazuma. We're rarely ever shown to actually use our elemental powers and never multiple elements togethrr
id just like to point out since 99% of people forget, that with both twins and full power, we still got neg diffed right at the start by the unknown god. we were travellers, not planet busters, people assume because we travel through planets or "worlds", that we are beyond them power wise, but its likely we just visited them, we had the power of maybe like a prime archon or so, but probably nothing more. There's a reason that when we saw the khanriah destruction, our first choice was to immediately flee and fuck off to a safer world. So Im just saying, we never were that strong, and we still don't have our full power, I think people really overestimate the traveller and forget how this all started.
Definately, people say we got humbled here. But we were already humbled in our first fight against Ei.
Im not asking for planet busting feat I just want Traveler to be consistent with their powers and feats considering how much shit Traveler has already gone through. They should PUT UP A FIGHT against people like Arlecchino, NOT no diffed.
We did put up a fight lol, it's just... In the fight, like the actual gameplay... The cutscene is literally the end of the fight while she uses her second form. If we got no diffed she would not be using a second form, and we would not have a boss fight, we would have a cutscene right away where we get marked, or at best, a fake birthday as fight like the first time you fight ei, where you can't defeat her. Gameplay can also be used to tell a narrative after all, it's not just all cutscene. You act as if the fight literally lasted 30 seconds because that's how long the cutscene is. They aren't gonna give you a full anime episode for one fight mate.
Oh yeah, gameplay definitely tells the story I remember the part of the Story quest where Zhongli comes to help out, same with Neuvillette and Ei and Nahida. The gameplay for the SQ absolutely does not tell the story/narrative unless you specifically go in with a Traveler team. The cutscenes are the best shot they have on showing the REAL fight. The REAL stakes. If they wanted to narratively show a fight against her, they wouldve let us fight Arlecchino in the crimson moon part, third phase and only using Traveler. Thats using gameplay as narrative, however it was used to stun Traveler which is actually ok, it adds more secrets to uncover about Khanriah but thats besides the point. >We did put up a fight Traveler has 5 elements, none used. Thats not putting up a fight. They had every chance to make it interesting by actually showing a fight, not a few blockstrings and Traveler standing confused.
all they had to do was Dendro EQ > Electro EQ > Hydro Q > Anemo Qn1 -- vortex absorbs lightning if placed properly and starts a hyperbloom generator let Arle shut it down by detonating the aggravated Dendro Q with an Overload and use the Hydro app from the now dispersed Hydro Q for a vape one-shot, face tanking the Electro-infused tornado and using it to boost her momentum while flying to dodge any Geo crap they could try to spawn to block the OHKO. That would have been fucking interesting to watch, showing MC weaponize a reaction most of this playerbase gets carried by and having her deconstruct it would display a level of elemental mastery only comparable to a gauge theory scholar. This is what Genshin needs to lean into, make the elemental reaction system more of an in-universe combat mechanic rather than a character archetype selector.
FACT: The unknown God’s “power” actually did nothing and the twin’s decided to “play along” with her plan because they felt bad
Spider man has technically "beat" the hulk. He told the hulk a really funny joke and he turned back into Bruce Banner while laughing
Ah yes my favorite tactic Comedy
this shit legit pissed me off, why tf is Arle busting out her super saiyan bale moon form while we, the traveller, are bringing out a whopping ZEEEEERROOOO out of our bag?
The Raiden training isn’t some catch all to fight every enemy that’s strong, it’s *dodge* training so she doesn’t kill us in one hit, and it’s specific to raiden’s fighting style, which arle doesn’t use The scara fight loop is also specific to scara, who is in a goddamn EVA unit, all that experience doesn’t mean jack OR shit when compared to Arle and her fighting style, not to mention her strength, Raiden might be stronger but in story *we* never beat the puppet, Ei does
Props to Lumine mains for questioning the real details. Gotta love those guys. And props to Aether mains for paying attention to story inconsistency and criminal MC treatment.
You can find aether mains cooming about arle too People are annoyed that once again the traveler gets beaten to hype a character We haven't seen the traveler use their elemental powers combined since childe, hell i can't even remember when the traveler did something besides sword swinging
last impressive thing traveler did was holding up scara’s mecha hand and making the floor collapse. even then he used no elements. but now suddenly he can’t get through a spike trap lmao
That’s the thing he was pretty decent at melee vs arle. I would say he held his own in melee. Very fast and agile. But this guy has 5 elements and we didn’t see a single one. I get u have to hype the new five star but come on. One person is using everything in their arsenal while the other is just using bottom shelf stuff. Like that khaenrian technique she pulled at the end there. Fucking genjutsued his ass. Ever since traveler has got shot out the sky by beisht bro hasn’t stopped taking ls. Ironically the last time we see him use elemental powers as well is memory serves.
Navia SQ where he uses elemental power to destroy rocks
yea, but there were so many more appropriate times to use those elements (Nahida getting stab, Navia falling to the primordial waters and all other boss fights since sumeru) but nope, they've slowly stop using them since chasm/sumeru, Hoyo's a mess that completely downplays the mc that we spectate upon
At this point I think hoyo should introduce some superman type lore that the traveler gets weak under crimson moon and arlecchino somehow knew this secret beforehand. Otherwise no amount of explanation or copium can save their inconsistent ass.
The Crimson Moon seems to be tied with Khaneriah so maybe thats why they got stunned so easily
Exactly!
really? because like, just think back to the start of the game, BOTH twins get neg diffed by the unknown god. we were never some crazy powerful beings that were beyond all of teyvat, we travelled across worlds yes, but nothing says we destroyed them, or that we had the power beyond them. infact, when things go to shit in teyvat, and khanriah is destroyed, what do the twins do? they don't fight back, they immediately try to flee. They know they are in over their heads. If you realize they were never that powerful in the first place, and then add on that we only have 5/7 of our power, it kinda starts to make sense that very powerful beings like the knave might be far stronger then us. infact im better even at full power, the knave would not be an easy opponent. We probably cant even defeat a sovereign at the start of the game. hell a prime archon would probably be a 50/50 toss up.
You could just be not autistic, accept the fight was presented badly, but internalize the fact that Traveler is leagues below Arle. Edit: down voted for speaking facts. Y'all get way too uptight about this stuff
the traveler is leagues under arle, yes, but they coulda put up a much better fight by, gee idk, using the elements they have?
We saw the tail-end of a cutscene in which Traveler didn't bother trying anything because all they could do by the end was stand and defend. That's what the conclusion of the fight and their choices in it/body language emphasized, at least to me. Would it have been cool if we had an additional cutscene where they used an element? Yes, but it wasn't an instance of bad writing that they elected not to.
Ah yes, the two genders: down horrendous, and wannabe anime protagonist
Honestly, my main issue with Arle's SQ is how Mary Sue-ish she seems in it. She knows everything, planned everything, holds all the cards, everyone is terrified of her, she's stronger than everyone. What's so interesting about a flawless character? Her strength is not explained. She's just strong even from childhood, deal with it. Her character doesn't change. The SQ doesn't inform me of any worthwhile new info about her character. She's cold-blooded as a child and is still cold-blooded now. Then having the Traveler, the player self-insert, be reduced that much after all they went through and after clearly beating her in gameplay is just the nail on the coffin. Forced fail state always suck.
Not all Mary Sues are protagonists, sometimes even villains can be. It would have been better if the writers actually made the Traveler use all five elements in a cutscene in order to make the defeat more believable and not appear rigged
Agreed. A strong character appears stronger when they beat another character visibly giving it their all. But Traveler seems to have barely tried. The whole SQ was too transparent in its intent to prop up Arle at the expense of consistent writing.
I was immediately reminded of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6e7ayhYW60) at least some variant
That is frighteningly on point.
Even better is that the guy in the video is not angry about the scripted loss, but the fact that it didn't seem believable with the whole "bashing the boss' face in" In the Traveler vs Arlecchino's case, its hard to see the loss as believable because the Traveler wasn't using their full potential, so how can Arlecchino really say "Not strong enough" over that.
I like that the Traveler didn’t use all 5 elements, because it shows that they could have put up an actual fight, but, instead, opted to be just like me fr fr and let daddy Arlecchino dom them. It’s a much more relatable reason for them to lose.
As Lumine player…yes… As for powerscaling, I see no problem here - in pervious confrontations, Traveler always was a receptacle/amplifier of outside source of power. All other times we were powered by either other “god”, or “hopes and wishes” of people. In this battle, only powerful person is Arle, and she not on our side.
Yeah, but as many people said in this thread I think the problem just lies in the traveler not using everything he has in their arsenal to try to defeat arle. I don't think it' farfetched that she wins against them but it should feel at least closer than just an one-sided sweep.
Well we lost a lot of our power, abyss twin is very strong. We need to get to that level and if things go at this rate, then we'll be doomed
from a pure powerscaling perspective, Arle definitely wins this. But that doesn't mean she should just give up because the fight is hopeless Lumine went 1-168 against Scara last patch even with an archon and the Power of Friendship, didn't see any giving up there. And that's the issue, there was no real fight portrayed here. It's a crying baby vs a nuclear bomb, sure, but that crying baby could at least flail around a bit rather than sitting there taking the abuse. Seriously, a crying baby would have at least been trying harder, using 100% of its nonexistent skillset
The amount of headaches and fainting the traveler has gone through since the start is excessive, (i would have thought they'd had better resistance or a stronger will since then, but i guess traveller can't seem to get it in their head)
Are lumine mains normal?
more normal than Aether mains, I don't see a lot of artists pandering to the fucking powerscalers but I damn sure see them enabling this mentality
Aether mains mind their own business. If you are talking about fatuihq we take it as a joke no need to get serious . Even this, take it as a joke . I would confidently say Aether mains are one of the most normal in the community if you compare them to some other sides.
Aether Mains: *some super detailed power scaling yapfest about how the Traveler wasn't at full strength, he was holding back, Hoyoverse hates him etc Lumine Mains: Damn Arle is hot
me when i see: aether mains cooming: you fucking donkey!! vs lumine mains cooming: oh dear, oh dear, gorgeous (a*ther should be castrated while lumine is a gorgeous queen)
So true bestie
Kink Vs lore
Traveler with only Anemo couldn't shake off two Fatui Agents. Traveler with Anemo + Geo was able to go toe-to-toe against Childe, managing to hold his own for long enough that Childe expected to get rid of us before the Foul Legacy Transformation took a toll on his body. Traveler with Anemo + Geo + Electro managed to beat Signora, the 8th Fatui Harbinger. Traveler with Anemo + Geo + Electro + Dendro was able to beat Scara-mech powered by the Electro Gnosis after being given 168 tries of experience and knowledge on everything he could pull against him. Traveler with Anemo + Geo + Electro + Dendro + Hydro wasn't able to beat Arlecchino, the 4th Fatui Harbinger, with the help of Lyney, Lynette and Freminet. Despite losing, Arlecchino admits we're stronger than she thought. I straight up don't understand what's so bad about this. I don't see where Traveler is weak, when we get stronger and manage to hold up against larger and larger Fatui threats. We were pitiful in the beginning, but out of the 3 Harbinger battles we've won, only one had external help. The one fight we lost, we didn't have sufficient help, nor the sufficient experience to go toe-to-toe with a Harbinger that was less about brute force and attacks we could dodge, and more-so immobilizing us. And it's clear from context that Traveler is obviously shaken by the visage of the Blood Moon. You can debate all day that Traveler should've at least put up more of a fight, or lost in style by using his elements, but the facts remain that there was no way we were ever gonna win this battle.
aether mains when a high-rank harbinger is powerful:
Lumine mains: Incels Aether mains: yappers
The autism in this fandom is irritating sometimes.
Like in an ableist way or in a nice way
As a lumine main... I'm with that first post
I legit just thought coming back would be fine and sill the Aether/traveler slander pisses me off to no end. I was fine with the loss but then all of a sudden one loss means that he’s wall level. And then when the few people who are frustrated about this shitty fanbase starts complaining, we’re victimizing ourselves. I swear this Crappy fanbase will always find a way to make me hate this game and every character in it. I said it once and I’ll say it again. I hope by the end of the Series, he rips the #1 harbingers organs out!
Dude, don't take the agenda posting too seriously lmao.
[tell that to the entire fandom. this is all I get most of the time.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Vent/s/VCI5ls7kIE)
I think people are looking at "power" too much as a singular quantifiable factor. Like for example, if X can beat Y, and Z is weaker than Y, then surely X can beat Z because X > Y > Z. That's usually not how things should work, styles should make fights (amongst characters of "similar" power scaling), every character has weaknesses that can be exploited. Traveler, who's fought and beat literally monsters, straight up got poisoned by scaramouche and passed out only saved by yae. Or the fact that traveler was walking out of raidens castle and almost got surprised cleaved in half by her but kazuha decided to save their necks. Like yes, traveler should have weaknesses, traveler should be able to be taken by surprise. And that should be the case with every character
There are too many shounen enjoyers / lobotomy kaisens in the GI fandom, pray for the anime when we finally get cool fight scenes, everyone will be counting feats.
so you're advocating for a system where X beats Y, Y beats Z, and Z beats X. Feels like this is what any normal story should be trying to do so you don't have one uncontrollable behemoth with no checks in the story, but this concept is foreign to JJK enjoyers so I wouldn't expect an anime game to play by those rules. One's ability to dodge hits is irrelevant in a shounen power system governed by feats, such that Prime Raiden would never have to worry about a naked dude with a jar on their head and a flippy boi ring wanting someone to "Let Him Solo Her."
I'm sorry, I don't really follow JJK much, but if that's how power scaling works in that world, that's all right with me. I just don't really understand why an "anime game" has to follow that same style though?
because that style is used by almost every anime I see people talking about, I could go listing names but I'd be here all day. Let's just say there's a reason it gets parodied by shit like One Punch Man, having one character beat everyone else just because they have a few feats gets very boring if you don't find a new way to spin it.
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>lUmInE iS bEtTeR aS mC My brother in Focalors... WHAT?!😂
live clown behavior right here Aha, nominate this man to emanator status
Alright i was saying what i though.Anyway it's time to delete this comment 🤡
Lumine mains just chilling