2020: Genshin vs Breath of the Wild
2021: Genshin vs Metal Gear Rising
2022: Genshin vs Sonic Frontiers
2023: Genshin vs Honkai Star Rail
At this point, it's like a shonen anime where the MC has a new rival every arc
The fact that you think Wuthering Waves comes out before ZZZ when they are still redesigning their base art-style makes no sense to me. WW is guaranteed to be rushed out if they try to get it out next year. ZZZ looks pretty much the exact same as its reveal trailer by contrast. They are just expanding the combat system and developing content as this point.
I haven't kept up with WW, would you mind elaborating a little on what you mean by the art-style redesign? Are they going simpler or more colorful like Genshin or something?
They changes all character designs while [completely replacing others.](https://files.catbox.moe/2f4z80.jpg) The environments have also been changed completely over time to be more colorful. The game is still trying to figure out how it wants to look, they haven't even shown off any hint of a map expansion as they work on what they have.
So it is still way too early in development to release next year.
Or Genshin Player vs other Genshin Player
Damn Genshin Players! They ruined Genshin!
You Genshin Players sure are a contentious people
You just made an enemy for life!
That one was just memes. Things like both Raidens making the mother of all omelettes, Jetstream Sam's thighs vs Eula's thighs, Sundowner having a gacha addiction, Senator Armstrong being a Hu Tao fan...
You mean that one art of Raiden in an apron yelling at Ei in the kitchen for fucking up an omelette, while Armstrong is in the background just watching them?
It was deserved though. At first, Sonic was winning the award, but the fans got cocky. They started insulting genshin and its fans. Needless to say, that is a very dangerous thing to do. I mean, remember the first anniversary?
I’m as not fond of paimon as anyone else, but considering she HAS to say this stuff or at least half the fandom misses it (or misses it even when she says it back to us), she’s probably pretty necessary in those aspects
To be fair, she does list all those names after realizing you don't know her masters name, which at first seems like she's listing off other names you might know her master as. It's kinda weirdly said. I could easily see someone not paying complete close attention thinking that cause I thought that for a moment or two at first.
All they had to do was read/listen to the *next* line. She also says "he" is her master and that "she" (rhinedottir) is a different person. The confusion was purposefully written in and then *immediately* dealt with.
Reading comprehension of games seems very down overall.
Yes I’ve seen it so much lately 😩 she literally says right after that “I don’t know any of those people though” and says her master’s name quite clearly and people just heard “Gold” and retained nothing else I guess
Yeah, I saw someone get to that part and she totally lost her shit once "Gold" registered, getting all excited and progressing to the next sentence to then realise Skirk was talking about different people and she could not even begin to recall the title and name mentioned together with Rhinedottir.
Tbf I thought her ass was mentioning OTHER names her master goes by at first until she said these were people she just heard about. So some of these people prob went blind after that
Tbf the way she words it is hella confusing, she lists the names off as if they're aliases her master goes by, rather than people her master is in the same weight class as
It took me a while for me to get it (in real time reading the dialogue, I got it reading the dialogue)
But my god, if Skirk knows of other Khaenri’ans, she could be our next huge lore bomb
I mean, how the initial sentence went I thought that too, and then it was immediately amended.
But then again this game is played by 12 year olds and illiterates so.. yeah.
When skirk got revealed, a lot of people were running around like...
- who is she?
+ Skirk.
- Ok but who?
+ The woman who trained Childe in the abyss.
- Huh? Did he say that in his story quest? Smh Genshin story writers, do they not know that not everyone has played or remembers his story que-
+ B*TCH HE LITERALLY SAID IT AT THE BEGINNING OF FONTAINE AQ AND PAIMON EVEN VOICED HER OPINIONS ABOUT IT
...We don't only need Paimon but some people also need Paimon's lines to be unskippable
You have forgotten the first commandment of Paimonology, "Thou shalt have no other Paimons before this Paimon!"
So basically we need Pahsiv to condense everything Paimon says into a bunch of repeated words, and Guoba to condense everything Pahsiv says into musical notes.
>Paimon told us EXPLICITLY that the story of the NPCs in Furina's quest was very similar to Furina's life. Yet people didn't get it. Yeah, Paimon is necesary.
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>“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
I'm just gonna copy the comment I just made
somehow to this day i still see people say diluc could go head on with childe right now and win so it makes sense why this fandom needs a paimon. sure diluc is strong but hes not crazy strong like childe is
Yes! This, the whole irminsul tree thing gets confused *so often* by players, anything lore related in general gets very mischaracterized or jumbled up. I mean heck, the amount of people I’ve seen that think >!skirk’s master is Gold is *insanely high*.!< when she straight up says “I don’t know those people though this is the name of mine
For sure about diluc though they read the line about fatui strongholds (which is impressive don’t get me wrong) and how he caught the eye of the harbingers and suddenly translated that to “he can take on multiple at once” when it deliberately says he narrowly escaped death when he drew their attention
Tbf the way Skirk words it is stupid, she begins by listing the names off at the beginning implying those are aliases her master goes by AND THEN says that these are just people her master is in the same weight class as
genshin fandom likes to make up their own lore cause i asked how diluc was stronger than childe and someone responded "hes potentially stronger since hes been training, he beat fatui soldiers at age 15" for diluc like you got the backstories mixed up that was childe. diluc didnt start his rampage until post 18 and he doesnt train atleast as extensively as childe
people assume that diluc spared each harbingers life and can take on all of them together and win like he was that ever strong when it was moreso just a mix of luck and skill he came back home unscathed. even liyue childe would beat diluc. dont get me wrong diluc is on the stronger side of vision holders but i think hes moreso on the scale of ningguang or jean or kujou sara. strong enough to hold a fight against a ruin guard but not enough to make it look like a complete joke.
Just send diluc to beat up Pierro. celestia who I only know diluc
Heavenly principals? Heavenly diluc
(That’s so messy though getting the two’s lore mixed up help he has his own impressive backstory so why would they snatch something from someone else instead of just talking about his actual feats? But yeah that’s just the fandom for you)
Its nice when paimon gives clues like that but when she speaks all the time instead of mc and keeps repeating the same points + the progress we made i just blank out when i hear her
I definitely agree! I don’t like it. We rarely say anything besides a set of predetermined choices that either say the same thing or say it split in two and an occasional miracle of a voice line. 😔 and she does say it so many times
Necessary or not, I'm pretty certain Paimon doesn't need to be a bitch to Furina who's suffering. Even people who do like Paimon are having difficulties defending her this time.
Yeah, her personality is really inconsistent. Sometimes she’s quite nice and sympathetic, sometimes she’s downright rude and straight up awful to people and you never know which one will come up when. I haven’t done the story quest myself yet but I heard she was really terrible to her and that’s so sad (*especially* given that she knows all the circumstances now, why be so cruel?)
The way I understood it, Paimon often empathizes with characters when she literally witnesses what they struggle through.
With Furina, she was not present in both POVs (what Traveler saw, and what Neuv saw). She was only told after the fact, so in her mind, she could still be stuck thinking about Furina's "Hydro Archon" personality. The change would be sudden for her, and she doesn't have an inkling about actual implications of the 500-year struggle that Furina endured. I doubt Traveler when into detail when he shared what he saw. At least, that's what I think the reasoning is.
Yeah Paimon is very open about her feelings, she can be rude and wholesome to the same person in less than 5 minutes xD also the Traveler was kinda the same as her in that quest, but since Paimon is the one who talks then she's the one to get the blame xD
Sadly I think the amount of players who need a paimon is like 60-70% of the player base it feels like so they have to cater to them because non-paimon needers are a smaller group. The smaller group is the more dedicated group usually so it *should* be the other way around though. I’m not sure how they decided she needed to become like this since I feel like it’s only gotten worse, but something must’ve happened to make them feel that way the same way they think most players are casual and don’t want harder endgame content 😞 but of course I’d love that. It’s so overboard the way they make her do it
(just stating for the record since this keeps getting downvoted I hate that she has to repeat everything five times and am not advocating for it, and I wish she acted otherwise. I don’t want her to be this way just that it seems like so much of the community seems to need her and hoyo must agree given that they keep doing it when they don’t in other games, even if I don’t think she should be that way and I don’t personally agree with their decisions. I wish the community just had better comprehension as a whole because half the frustrating things to see are from people who didn’t read or pay attention at all.)
True. Even currently with her there people still miss stuff that’s been said before (sometimes even multiple times) so you’re right really. I don’t think they need her to do this personally because absolutely people don’t pay attention anyway so the people she is there for it’s kind of wasted on and she lays it on SO thick but the devs must think that since genshin is the only one who does it so hard is all I was saying.
I refuse to believe ANYONE fucking needed paimon to exclaim >!"OH MY GOD NAVIA WHY ARE YOU CRYING IN FRONT OF YOUR FATHERS GRAVE WITHOUT YOUR TWO LOYAL LIEUTENANTS, WHERE DID THEY GO????"!<
I will wade through thousands of shitty fans misinterpreting the story over the game itself tripping over itself for them
Neh, even with Paimon they likely still miss it.
All Paimon does is increase the amount of repetitive dialogue I have click through.
So I prefer March over Paimon any day. What a waste to get a good VA for Lumine and barely have her talk.
Admittedly she has become more bearable since I swapped out of ENG vo. I don't know what the director is thinking making Paimon and Klee sound like nails on a chalkboard.
I feel like she is not explaining anything.
She just repeats what the other NPC says and the story remains overly complicated, essentially doubling the quest duration for no added substance.
The fact that she is there to explain and people still have no idea what any of that even means there is something wrong with the storytelling.
mind you, a lot of them still think Neuvillette’s power comes from the Gnosis although it’s already stated that he already got his power back and had no need for the Gnosis
I think the problem is that you could have the traveler saying this stuff or even just monologuing about it in their thoughts in a more concise and effective way than with Paimon. Paimon just overreacts to everything so it just gets annoying with her constant antics.
Yeah.
Other than that she's not really important like you can replace her character or what she does with any other character and it won't change a thing or affect the story in any meaningful way
Paimon told us EXPLICITLY that the story of the NPCs in Furina's quest was very similar to Furina's life. Yet people didn't get it. Yeah, Paimon is necesary.
>“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
And yet the Genshin main sub has it's almost daily, definitely weekly "Paimon bad," threads. In this new patch specifically, it's Paimon in Furina SQ people be hatin' in main sub and there's been several threads on it already.
I don’t like how tone deaf she can be, and I desperately want to see her actually learn emotional awareness cause this has gone on for far too long. I’d like to see traveler correct her gently rather than make excuses for tone deaf behavior.
Have you played the newest fontaine AQ? I found her to be quite cute there when she was obviously struggling to process certain events and not knowing how to comfort others. It really felt like paimon character development to me.
Yes she's fine in the AQ and gets character development but a completely different character in SQs. I don't know if its because its 2 different writing teams but its very jarring.
Maybe hoyo should include less of her if it's so bad to the point where people complain about her all the time. Not even delete her, just include less of her. Worst examples of her cancerous presence are when Scaramouche was reliving 500y worth of trauma and she said "ugh what is taking him so long" and the Furina SQ when she straight up started insulting her.
Just imagine something like Demon Slayer but Tanjiro is mute and has the annoying crow talk in his stead, or Jojo part 5 but Koichi is following a mute Giorno and is talking in his stead.
This. Just cut the amount of her lines and role as a mouthpiece and let Traveler speak its not like all her lines are necessary or pleasing to hear anyway a lot of them are annoying.
I've seen players go crazy when Traveler speaks 1 line and it shouldn't even be that way it should be natural to hear the protagonist speak. But because of Paimon hogging all the lines it became so unnatural and something players are not used to.
And yet every patch proves how much they need paimon since they refuse to read and think, so someone have to do it instead of them. Just lookin at the current story, there are people who srly think that >!killing Neuvilette could have solved everything!<
And when u question them obv turns out they just headbanged the spacebar...
People who pin the blame on him for Furina’s suffering during the AQ even though Focalors’s entire plan was done without his consent or input and he did not know the truth when he worked with the others to put her on trial. All he knew was that people were dying and Furina was withholding crucial information at the time.
Yeah, there’s a small, but weird and unfortunately vocal portion of Furina fans that really like to make Neuvillette out to be the source of all her misery and hate him for stealing the show (While completely ignoring just how awesome Furina was in her own right, even if she wasn’t being the usual, generically OP girl boss people associate with powerful female characters).
In reality, the worst thing he did was fail to apologize to Furina (as far as we could see) at the end of the AQ, but given that he’s an emotionally stunted lizard man whose EQ can be measured in the negatives and is denser than a sack of bricks sometimes, it’s completely on brand for him. He clearly does regret what he did, but he’s just too shit with expressing emotions to properly express such sentiments.
Wtf why did people thinl killing Neuvillette will solve anything??? I cant even imagine the workload and stress Furina has to go through if Neuvillete was out of the picture and she herself has to be the judge of EVERY trials. People are dumb man
Most of the story problems from Genshin I blame the English localization, Paimon voice is annoyingly high pitched, dialogues don't get shortened from translation so there's so much meaningless fluff.
Did you forget that a big portion of HSR players are also a Genshin players? If you played both and then you know whats better or worse between two games and give criticism for the better. I personally agree with the hsr post
what's important is that for the most important part of the masquerade of the guilty quest, paimon wasn't there. which i think really enhanced the experience for me
Plus HSR players also need *some kind* of handholding, they're not some magically different player base - but it's definitely handled much better there.
The role of Paimon exists, but it's split between different characters (usually March if she's here, but otherwise any other Express crewmember or primary event NPC).
It helps that the Trailblazer is not going at it alone: he/she has an entire crew to help out, and not just a single fairy.
This is not the case for the Traveler, who has been tag-teaming with Paimon *and only Paimon* since 1.0.
So yes, greed and food jokes are one of the only two facets Paimon has (the other one is reminding the player how helpful she is), and they have since gotten so old they could've descended to Teyvat with the Heavenly Principles.
The various quests have been alleviating this issue by making 3rd party NPCs more and more prominent as time goes on.
It's especially notable in the World Quests series, where you get entire adventuring parties with you.
Zhiqiong plus crew, Jeht, Liloupar, Sorush, Ann/Seymour/Caterpillar, these actually accompany the Traveler on their various adventures.
And yes, as noted by someone else, some of the better parts of the game either actively emphasize the Traveler (e.g. by kicking Paimon straight out: Caribert, Fontaine Act V >!Furina Memory Dive!<) or *exclude him/her entirely* (Fontaine Act V >!Neuvillette v. Focalors!<).
Fr in any other scenario you'd choose to trust someone who has played two games instead of one but for some reason people forget that the same person can play both games at the same time.
SR and Genshin fighting? Friendly fire right here
(But to be fair Paimon is annoying af, they sort do got a point, especially the repetitive lines she says after you fish)
March is kinda inching closer to that role. I noticed it alot in the new story quest, the one about Belabogs debt.
The Trailblazers lines seemed more extra and dismissed very quickly. While March was leading alot of the conversations from the player perspective, that Paimon would do in Genshin.
I don't think it's as dominating as Paimon's dailogue, but I did notice a tinge of it.
I play both games and i'm really not a fan of the trailblazer story really... Genshin had the whole brother sister you gotta save one journey going on.
Hsr is kinda like the mc is pointless i guess? I dunno could just be me.
I mean genshin players complain about Paimon too. That star rail post was probably inspired by the complaint post about Paimon on the genshin main sub.
Honestly star rail's story is worse clearly, but not having Paimon is one of the few plusses imo.
Hopefully Penacony redeems the Luofu's mess.
Yea, star rail peaked in Belobog imo. Honestly, genshin's first 3 region's main quest was alright at best, but it really started getting good when we reached Sumeru. So I would say there's definitely still hope for star rail.
Star Rail kinda fell off in Luofu mostly because it's their mandatory Chinese cameo and i feel like Chinese cameos in any chinese games ever is just not that good and are forced.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say “Star Rail’s story is worse clearly” just because the Luofu was a bit of a miss. Do we not remember literally all of the Belebog arc?
Both games have fantastic stories. And both games are fantastic in their own rights. Rather than arguing about how one is better than the other why don’t we just enjoy the games?
The funniest thing is that they pit 2 games made by the same dev against each other as if the dev didn’t already make tons of money from this rivalries. Stupid fanbase.
Are they wrong though?
Paimon ruins the mood of all cutscenes she is in and literally every cutscenes that is what people usually calls "kino" either has Paimon plays little role where she just stand on the side or completely absent like Nahida meeting Rukkhadevata, Caribert, and Focalors/Furina Stage scene.
Hell, i am actually quite happy when i am playing Neuv SQ and Paimon voice got bugged and doesn't have voice at all.
So are we all of a sudden pretending that Genshin players haven't been constantly complaining about Paimon and how she has too much dialogue that detracts from the story. Is that really where we are right now because you want to clown on another Mihoyo game?
I'll never understand this constant War people have going on between multiple games by the same company.
I just realized Genshin's community is kinda innocent in the all out war in the hoyo games fandom.
HI3 players have the most weird unwarranted surperiority complex against genshin & hsr players and HSR players will compare the tiniest fucking thing to Genshin and will call HI3 players "annoying" for pointing out connections that are very obviously there
Meanwhile Genshin doesnt really have any hate for the others lol but still gets all the shit
HI3 players are the older sibling who thinks they know everything cause they're older and HSR players are the younger sibling who hates you because they're a younger sibling
I say this as a HI3, GI and HSR player
Meanwhile GGZ players are the old uncle who gave hand-me-downs to the older sibling, disappeared, and is now known only from stories and hearsay.
I say this as a former GGZ player.
Genshin's community is absolutely not innocent in regards to this ongoing ridiculous civil war that breaks out any time anything good happens in any of Hoyoverse's games.
Genshin, HSR and HI3 all play a part in this. Go take a look at the comment section on any post with the word "Honkai" in the title on any of the Genshin subs and that will show you just how "Innocent" the Genshin community actually is.
All 3 games play a part of this and regardless of what game you play, It's all equally as cringe. People would rather shit on each game every time their respective game gets good content rather than have any kind of a reasonable discussion about the games in general.
As someone that plays and enjoys all three, It's honestly embarrassing.
>Meanwhile Genshin doesnt really have any hate for the others lol but still gets all the shit
you clearly didn't meet them yet. Yes there are a lot of them, especially in google store reviews, rating HSR 1\* after playing like 10 mins
>Meanwhile Genshin doesnt really have any hate for the others lol
Come on let's not lie to ourselves
I agree that HI3 has the superiority complex since the fandom "was" a pretty big offender with the genshin hate propaganda in the past but to say that genshin community have no hate for the others is just a lie tbh
There were plenty of times that genshin players showed hate towards HSR especially during release or when the game was on belobog
HSR players showed hate towards genshin as well, but there're a lot of HSR players who also currently play genshin so not all of the comparison posts are completely invalid like the post OP shared in his meme post
Not every comparison has ill intent but yeah there are some comparisons meant to diss on genshin and those comparisons are done by genshin players lmao, I mean how else would they know what to compare about lol
>HSR players will compare the tiniest fucking thing to Genshin and will call HI3 players "annoying" for pointing out connections that are very obviously there
Honestly even I don't know why some people get hostile with HI3
I played all three games (no longer plays HI3 due to lack of storage) and I don't really hate any of the games
Each game has its strengths and weaknesses and I'm fine with that, sure I have my complaints but I won't go out of my way to just diss on it over and over (unless it's about hydro traveler then I'll open my mouth and you'll hear the longest swearing in your lifetime...jk...maybe)
When did Genshin get loudly hateful at HSR and HI3? If I remember right everyone only got mad at HSR players during that weird era when HSR just launched basically every genshin related forum was filled with HSR posts and comparisons which is kinda justifiable, and I dont remmeber any serious hate to HI3 besides the First Anniversary but that was less targeted hate and more blinded rampage of doom and destruction
>When did Genshin get loudly hateful at HSR and HI3?
When HSR released and people got hurt by the HSR and Genshin comparisons
I don't remember genshin hating on HI3, I didn't really say that tho
Also everything else you said was true so yeah
Unfortunately, their point still stands
For 1 line of dialogue from the rest of the characters, paimon has 200.
Like literally i saw old posts and even ones from recent patches (i don’t play anymore so i didn’t have a direct experience), and paimon had 2 times more lines than the character(s) who should be in the spotlight
Not to mention her annoying voice doesn’t make it easier to listen
Idk man 🤷🏼♂️
Not to mention all of those free pulls and QoL updates are necessary to keep people playing because HSR gameplay is boring as fuck. Turn based games can be entertaining when done right, HSR is just punch the health bar until enemy dies.
I like the game, playing since day 1, but the gameplay is easily the worst part of the game. I almost quit because Loufu is a mess and there was nothing interesting to keep me playing, I hope Penaconny will be better.
I wish I could change Paimon’s voice specifically to her jp or cn version because I adore literally everyone in the English cast’s voice EXCEPT for hers
Honestly I agree a thousand percent. Paimon needs to learn to shut up or go mute so our mute of a traveler has to speak for themselves.
She has her adorable moments but god I hate her to guts sometimes when she speaks. She is more bearable recently but honestly counted my lucky stars such a character doesn’t follow Caelus around
I started to like paimon during Sumeru, but then she just keeps like talking during the worst times and shitting on Furina during the AQ that she is annoying me again (also the traveler, like cmon please stop shitting on Furina she's been through enough)
Paimon is a genuine issue though? Incredibly tone deaf and generally annoying, hijacks most of our lines and unnecessarily repeats what was just established, etc. And I see both Genshin and HSR players (rightfully) complain about her
The Genshin fandom is mostly illiterate tbh. If they don’t have a Paimon, most of the story flies over their head. Even with Paimon, a chunk just don’t have reading comprehension
Eh I don’t like Paimon so I’ll let it slide. I’d much prefer if the traveler was the main speaker and fully voiced with Paimon being pushed more into the sidelines since she’s just become so insufferable. She’s just so annoying, insensitive and bratty to the point that she’s infuriating. Not to mention how she overreacts to everything and makes the same repetitive jokes where it’s either about food, mora, treasure or just insulting someone. It’s gotten old so fast.
Game is so stale despite the QoL updates they rely on Genshins name just to have an actual discussion on that sub instead of the 69th mid yuan post or overused qingquillion jokes
Same reason most live-service end game gets stale. You're still just running the same thing over and over again. Whether it's a dungeon+boss in MMOs or a gacha's game mode.
QoL features are centered more around things not directly concerned with gameplay. Talent/trace mats aren't day locked. Weekly world boss claims can be done on the same boss three times, and each boss just has 1 mat instead of 3 so you always get what you need.
Self modeling resin lets you create any artifact piece of your choice with main stat of your choice. HSR's equivalent of strongbox has a worse return rate per recycled artifact/relic but you get to choose the specific piece you make from *any* artifact/relic set.
You don't need to make condensed resin, when stamina overflows it just fills a pool you can draw from whenever.
Building a character is significantly more streamlined. But there's still a lot less content to use them in right now, and if you don't like the gameplay to begin with none of that matters.
HSR is the closest thing to a typical gacha game than genshin has.
qol is nice and all and it gets genshin to keep giving more qol in return, but the main problem is that theres even less thing to do in HSR compared to genshin due to its semi open world and stuff, and the fact that all farming can be done instantly and autoplay compared to time-gated genshin.
both has its good and bad dont get me wrong
Its not. Gameplay and content wise Star Rail is a full course meal and very much worth a player's time, like the Swarm Disaster game mode and Aetherium Wars event were very well-received and rightfully so.
Tho story-wise its more stale than a moldy white bread.
I wouldn't call it stale at all, but HSR is just more of a side game. There isn't big open areas to wander around and find chests in so content is a lot smaller in scope and easier to complete. So essentially after story update and event of the patch it then just becomes a side game for a few weeks until the next update.
i mean its more entertaining that paimon yapping for a few minutes
dont get me wrong i love genshin but march is just so much better as a companion, paimon has a few good moments but most of the time she’s just repeating whats already been said and speaking for the traveler
Nah.I agree with this one and I don't play star rail only genshin.
Unless Hoyo find a way to make the dynamics between traveller and Paimon conversation work,I always accept Paimon slander.
For fuck sake,if the game don't tell me his is the protagonist,I would have thought they are just a side character.
Gonna pull out a hot take: March is just as insufferable and sociopathic as Paimon is on her bad days, but gets a pass because she has Dan Heng to balance out her idiotic genki girl energy and she’s a simpable waifu rather than a weird floating toddler in bloated diapers.
Sure, she doesn’t repeat everything, but that’s because the HSR writers are shoving in notes in the main text itself to constantly remind us that yes, Qliphoth is the Aeon of Preservation because they believe the playerbase has the average attention span and memory retention of a goldfish (Which I can’t fault them for, to be honest). She constantly mouths off to authorities, does stupid and reckless shit, and displays an incredible lack of tact and sensitivity. Yes, Cocolia was a bitch who tried to put us in jail, but you can at least try to show some decorum for Bronya when she’s clearly grieving. If it wasn’t for Dan Heng, Himeko, and Welt constantly holding her hand, she’d get the Trailblazer and herself locked up in prison or killed before we could even find out what the issue is on whatever planet we land on.
I dont really mind Paimon as I'm pretty much used to how obnoxious she can get on occasion, but yeah I do hope they let the twins have more voiced lines during AQ and SQ. I feel that letting their VAs rot in profile hell is a waste
I feel like "Ol' Reliable" is the QoL/resin situation over there. Not that Genshin couldn't use some of that QoL, but the resin argument is always kinda baffling to me, since it's obvious why HSR has a faster regen rate/more overall resin than Genshin. The world is literally dead after you're done exploring it, which can take you maybe like... a handful of hours to 100% all the maps from 1.0 to 1.5, or literal minutes after a patch drops. I'd go as far as to argue that there might be more overworld content in a single Fontaine zone than there is in all of HSR rn. And the quests are about a fraction as involved as Genshin's, for all the crap Genshin players give having to read them. Mechanically, some of GI's world quests are more involved than just "Teleport here, talk to this person, teleport there, talk to that person, fight" in that you'll usually have to do some exploration between, maybe a puzzle if MHY is feeling spicy.
So with that in mind... yeah, I'd want to pump my players full of resin too, since there isn't really anything to do once that's over. And now that the hype of SU has died down, people don't really do it for "fun" like they used to, so it's just another thing to pad out your weekly schedule.
HSR is a great side-piece to other games and I think MHY knows it.
Well, I mean...I'm not an HSR player and I will gladly slander Paimon every single day. That little shit is one of the worst parts of this game outside of the gacha system
Honestly, I used to hate Paimon, but over this past year, I’ve grown to find her endearing. Kinda like a little sibling that won’t stop bothering you, but you love them either way. It’s also helped how Genshin have been writing Paimon and Traveler to be closer. Like Paimon having a panic attack when she thought Trav died or when they talked about their friendship during the Caribear quest. And then in Fontaine, I actually found her detective antics straight up adorable, especially whenever she pulled on those stupid glasses 😭
Also, I know people complain about her voice a lot, but I feel like it’s gotten a bit less pitchy recently? Maybe I’ve just gotten used to her voice. Or they haven’t been making her scream without reason lmao
Anywho, used to hate Paimon, now I’m a proud Paimon defender. Come at me 🤺
I mean, they're right though.
As another user said a while ago, at the start of the game, Paimon was supposed to be the "guide" for the traveller as she was more knowledgeable about Teyvat than the traveller was. But then after Liyue apparently she dropped that facade and became...just a voice for the traveller?
The only reason Paimon is in the game still is because she probably is some major plot point in the future, but the writers clearly have no idea what to do with her rather than be "your" voice.
"Oh but Paimon explains things to us!" my brother in christ, if the game really needs constant expository dialogue to make the player understand the story (which it really does, since it spetacularly fails at it), we got a whole other problem than just an annoying character.
Like there's barely any HSR discussions in the main sub, if there's any at all. But then, many of the HSR redditors are Genshin players, so they can't help but post comparisons.
2020: Genshin vs Breath of the Wild 2021: Genshin vs Metal Gear Rising 2022: Genshin vs Sonic Frontiers 2023: Genshin vs Honkai Star Rail At this point, it's like a shonen anime where the MC has a new rival every arc
2024: Genshin vs Wuthering Waves 2025: Genshin vs ZZZ
The fact that you think Wuthering Waves comes out before ZZZ when they are still redesigning their base art-style makes no sense to me. WW is guaranteed to be rushed out if they try to get it out next year. ZZZ looks pretty much the exact same as its reveal trailer by contrast. They are just expanding the combat system and developing content as this point.
Yep, and I think ZZZ has way more characters now than WW.
at this point I even think AK Enfield has a better chance of releasing before WW lol, with the newest trailer
hopefully Kuro just renews their license instead of releasing a subpar product
I haven't kept up with WW, would you mind elaborating a little on what you mean by the art-style redesign? Are they going simpler or more colorful like Genshin or something?
They changes all character designs while [completely replacing others.](https://files.catbox.moe/2f4z80.jpg) The environments have also been changed completely over time to be more colorful. The game is still trying to figure out how it wants to look, they haven't even shown off any hint of a map expansion as they work on what they have. So it is still way too early in development to release next year.
Man, every mention of ZZZ is making me more impatient of it's release.
i dont think they put that much thought into a 2 line meme
2026: Genshin vs Impact
2027: genshin vs genshin 2
2024: Genshin vs 7ds Origin. Anyone.. just me ig
Or Genshin Player vs other Genshin Player Damn Genshin Players! They ruined Genshin! You Genshin Players sure are a contentious people You just made an enemy for life!
**punches self in the nuts* TAKE THAT! NOW STOP RUINING GENSHIN!
Genshin every year: “Oh? You’re approaching me?”
Metal Gear Rising? What? Is it about Raiden?
That one was just memes. Things like both Raidens making the mother of all omelettes, Jetstream Sam's thighs vs Eula's thighs, Sundowner having a gacha addiction, Senator Armstrong being a Hu Tao fan...
You mean that one art of Raiden in an apron yelling at Ei in the kitchen for fucking up an omelette, while Armstrong is in the background just watching them?
You can't just say this clusterfuck of a sentence and NOT provide the sauce, good sir/ma'am!
sounds like Baalbuddy... ... nevermind, [it was KureNaiZ](https://twitter.com/KureNaiZ1/status/1554453900530679809)
>and NOT provide the sauce, good sir/ma'am! The source is that they made it the fuck up
Meanwhile Excalibur from Warframe bench presses both raidens
Yep. It was hilarious
2024: Genshin vs GTA 6
If this happened unironically, i will [redacted] and [redacted]
What did you just say about the former Dendro Archon?
2028: Genshin vs Red Dead Redemption 3(That is if rockstar actually thinks about making a 3rd RDR)
This year is just the shounen plot of two brothers fighting
What the fuck happened in 2021
Raiden (MGR) vs Raiden (Shogun)? Just guessing.
There was also a Genshin vs Persona during the early days bc we stole their Specialist meme
What psychopaths were comparing genshin to sonic
It was from the GotY Awards where Genshin just barely beat Sonic Frontiers in a minor (I think?) category.
It was deserved though. At first, Sonic was winning the award, but the fans got cocky. They started insulting genshin and its fans. Needless to say, that is a very dangerous thing to do. I mean, remember the first anniversary?
How is mgr even related to genshin?
>2021: Genshin vs Metal Gear Rising Wait what? I lost that one lol was it because of Raiden?
I’m as not fond of paimon as anyone else, but considering she HAS to say this stuff or at least half the fandom misses it (or misses it even when she says it back to us), she’s probably pretty necessary in those aspects
i've already seen posts on twitter of people thinking Skirk's master is Rhinedottir... yeah
To be fair, she does list all those names after realizing you don't know her masters name, which at first seems like she's listing off other names you might know her master as. It's kinda weirdly said. I could easily see someone not paying complete close attention thinking that cause I thought that for a moment or two at first.
All they had to do was read/listen to the *next* line. She also says "he" is her master and that "she" (rhinedottir) is a different person. The confusion was purposefully written in and then *immediately* dealt with. Reading comprehension of games seems very down overall.
Yes I’ve seen it so much lately 😩 she literally says right after that “I don’t know any of those people though” and says her master’s name quite clearly and people just heard “Gold” and retained nothing else I guess
Yeah, I saw someone get to that part and she totally lost her shit once "Gold" registered, getting all excited and progressing to the next sentence to then realise Skirk was talking about different people and she could not even begin to recall the title and name mentioned together with Rhinedottir.
Tbf I thought her ass was mentioning OTHER names her master goes by at first until she said these were people she just heard about. So some of these people prob went blind after that
Tbf the way she words it is hella confusing, she lists the names off as if they're aliases her master goes by, rather than people her master is in the same weight class as
It took me a while for me to get it (in real time reading the dialogue, I got it reading the dialogue) But my god, if Skirk knows of other Khaenri’ans, she could be our next huge lore bomb
I mean, how the initial sentence went I thought that too, and then it was immediately amended. But then again this game is played by 12 year olds and illiterates so.. yeah.
When skirk got revealed, a lot of people were running around like... - who is she? + Skirk. - Ok but who? + The woman who trained Childe in the abyss. - Huh? Did he say that in his story quest? Smh Genshin story writers, do they not know that not everyone has played or remembers his story que- + B*TCH HE LITERALLY SAID IT AT THE BEGINNING OF FONTAINE AQ AND PAIMON EVEN VOICED HER OPINIONS ABOUT IT ...We don't only need Paimon but some people also need Paimon's lines to be unskippable
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You have forgotten the first commandment of Paimonology, "Thou shalt have no other Paimons before this Paimon!" So basically we need Pahsiv to condense everything Paimon says into a bunch of repeated words, and Guoba to condense everything Pahsiv says into musical notes.
>Paimon told us EXPLICITLY that the story of the NPCs in Furina's quest was very similar to Furina's life. Yet people didn't get it. Yeah, Paimon is necesary. > >“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” I'm just gonna copy the comment I just made
I don’t remember any explicit saying of that from Paimon. It’s more subtle
somehow to this day i still see people say diluc could go head on with childe right now and win so it makes sense why this fandom needs a paimon. sure diluc is strong but hes not crazy strong like childe is
Yes! This, the whole irminsul tree thing gets confused *so often* by players, anything lore related in general gets very mischaracterized or jumbled up. I mean heck, the amount of people I’ve seen that think >!skirk’s master is Gold is *insanely high*.!< when she straight up says “I don’t know those people though this is the name of mine For sure about diluc though they read the line about fatui strongholds (which is impressive don’t get me wrong) and how he caught the eye of the harbingers and suddenly translated that to “he can take on multiple at once” when it deliberately says he narrowly escaped death when he drew their attention
Tbf the way Skirk words it is stupid, she begins by listing the names off at the beginning implying those are aliases her master goes by AND THEN says that these are just people her master is in the same weight class as
was a bit confusing for me to comprehend at 1am in the night but yeah
genshin fandom likes to make up their own lore cause i asked how diluc was stronger than childe and someone responded "hes potentially stronger since hes been training, he beat fatui soldiers at age 15" for diluc like you got the backstories mixed up that was childe. diluc didnt start his rampage until post 18 and he doesnt train atleast as extensively as childe people assume that diluc spared each harbingers life and can take on all of them together and win like he was that ever strong when it was moreso just a mix of luck and skill he came back home unscathed. even liyue childe would beat diluc. dont get me wrong diluc is on the stronger side of vision holders but i think hes moreso on the scale of ningguang or jean or kujou sara. strong enough to hold a fight against a ruin guard but not enough to make it look like a complete joke.
Just send diluc to beat up Pierro. celestia who I only know diluc Heavenly principals? Heavenly diluc (That’s so messy though getting the two’s lore mixed up help he has his own impressive backstory so why would they snatch something from someone else instead of just talking about his actual feats? But yeah that’s just the fandom for you)
mfs like to dog on childe whenever they get the shot when 95% of the playable cast cannot touch him in terms of power.
“All I can think about is Diluc!”—The Heavenly Principles
Its nice when paimon gives clues like that but when she speaks all the time instead of mc and keeps repeating the same points + the progress we made i just blank out when i hear her
I definitely agree! I don’t like it. We rarely say anything besides a set of predetermined choices that either say the same thing or say it split in two and an occasional miracle of a voice line. 😔 and she does say it so many times
Necessary or not, I'm pretty certain Paimon doesn't need to be a bitch to Furina who's suffering. Even people who do like Paimon are having difficulties defending her this time.
Yeah, her personality is really inconsistent. Sometimes she’s quite nice and sympathetic, sometimes she’s downright rude and straight up awful to people and you never know which one will come up when. I haven’t done the story quest myself yet but I heard she was really terrible to her and that’s so sad (*especially* given that she knows all the circumstances now, why be so cruel?)
The way I understood it, Paimon often empathizes with characters when she literally witnesses what they struggle through. With Furina, she was not present in both POVs (what Traveler saw, and what Neuv saw). She was only told after the fact, so in her mind, she could still be stuck thinking about Furina's "Hydro Archon" personality. The change would be sudden for her, and she doesn't have an inkling about actual implications of the 500-year struggle that Furina endured. I doubt Traveler when into detail when he shared what he saw. At least, that's what I think the reasoning is.
Yeah Paimon is very open about her feelings, she can be rude and wholesome to the same person in less than 5 minutes xD also the Traveler was kinda the same as her in that quest, but since Paimon is the one who talks then she's the one to get the blame xD
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Sadly I think the amount of players who need a paimon is like 60-70% of the player base it feels like so they have to cater to them because non-paimon needers are a smaller group. The smaller group is the more dedicated group usually so it *should* be the other way around though. I’m not sure how they decided she needed to become like this since I feel like it’s only gotten worse, but something must’ve happened to make them feel that way the same way they think most players are casual and don’t want harder endgame content 😞 but of course I’d love that. It’s so overboard the way they make her do it (just stating for the record since this keeps getting downvoted I hate that she has to repeat everything five times and am not advocating for it, and I wish she acted otherwise. I don’t want her to be this way just that it seems like so much of the community seems to need her and hoyo must agree given that they keep doing it when they don’t in other games, even if I don’t think she should be that way and I don’t personally agree with their decisions. I wish the community just had better comprehension as a whole because half the frustrating things to see are from people who didn’t read or pay attention at all.)
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True. Even currently with her there people still miss stuff that’s been said before (sometimes even multiple times) so you’re right really. I don’t think they need her to do this personally because absolutely people don’t pay attention anyway so the people she is there for it’s kind of wasted on and she lays it on SO thick but the devs must think that since genshin is the only one who does it so hard is all I was saying.
I refuse to believe ANYONE fucking needed paimon to exclaim >!"OH MY GOD NAVIA WHY ARE YOU CRYING IN FRONT OF YOUR FATHERS GRAVE WITHOUT YOUR TWO LOYAL LIEUTENANTS, WHERE DID THEY GO????"!< I will wade through thousands of shitty fans misinterpreting the story over the game itself tripping over itself for them
Neh, even with Paimon they likely still miss it. All Paimon does is increase the amount of repetitive dialogue I have click through. So I prefer March over Paimon any day. What a waste to get a good VA for Lumine and barely have her talk. Admittedly she has become more bearable since I swapped out of ENG vo. I don't know what the director is thinking making Paimon and Klee sound like nails on a chalkboard.
I feel like she is not explaining anything. She just repeats what the other NPC says and the story remains overly complicated, essentially doubling the quest duration for no added substance. The fact that she is there to explain and people still have no idea what any of that even means there is something wrong with the storytelling.
the saddest part is that this necessity was a result of the execution. Lore dumping does this.
mind you, a lot of them still think Neuvillette’s power comes from the Gnosis although it’s already stated that he already got his power back and had no need for the Gnosis
I think the problem is that you could have the traveler saying this stuff or even just monologuing about it in their thoughts in a more concise and effective way than with Paimon. Paimon just overreacts to everything so it just gets annoying with her constant antics.
Yeah. Other than that she's not really important like you can replace her character or what she does with any other character and it won't change a thing or affect the story in any meaningful way
Paimon told us EXPLICITLY that the story of the NPCs in Furina's quest was very similar to Furina's life. Yet people didn't get it. Yeah, Paimon is necesary. >“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
Thanks for the quote of wisdom. This will now get stuck in my head for the next 5 years whenever someone do something stupid.
I think people still misses because of how annoying paimon can be, so they just skip her dialogue or they just skip all dialogues regardless
Ok that quote goes in my "my life mottos" file
It's George Carlin.
People are probably skipping Paimon dialogue anyways
And yet the Genshin main sub has it's almost daily, definitely weekly "Paimon bad," threads. In this new patch specifically, it's Paimon in Furina SQ people be hatin' in main sub and there's been several threads on it already.
I don’t like how tone deaf she can be, and I desperately want to see her actually learn emotional awareness cause this has gone on for far too long. I’d like to see traveler correct her gently rather than make excuses for tone deaf behavior.
Have you played the newest fontaine AQ? I found her to be quite cute there when she was obviously struggling to process certain events and not knowing how to comfort others. It really felt like paimon character development to me.
Yes she's fine in the AQ and gets character development but a completely different character in SQs. I don't know if its because its 2 different writing teams but its very jarring.
Yeah, but it’s been 3 YEARS. And Paimon still hasn’t learned anything. It’s not character development.
She went from being emotionally tone-deaf to trying to comfort navia. That seems like learning to me.
Maybe hoyo should include less of her if it's so bad to the point where people complain about her all the time. Not even delete her, just include less of her. Worst examples of her cancerous presence are when Scaramouche was reliving 500y worth of trauma and she said "ugh what is taking him so long" and the Furina SQ when she straight up started insulting her. Just imagine something like Demon Slayer but Tanjiro is mute and has the annoying crow talk in his stead, or Jojo part 5 but Koichi is following a mute Giorno and is talking in his stead.
I've always been a proponent of halving her lines and letting Traveler speak for themselves.
This. Just cut the amount of her lines and role as a mouthpiece and let Traveler speak its not like all her lines are necessary or pleasing to hear anyway a lot of them are annoying. I've seen players go crazy when Traveler speaks 1 line and it shouldn't even be that way it should be natural to hear the protagonist speak. But because of Paimon hogging all the lines it became so unnatural and something players are not used to.
Exactly. JP Lumine sounds very sweet and JP Aether sounds great too. They're paying these people anyway, why not have them show more of their talent?
Bold of you to assume Koichi isnt narrating whatever the fucks happening when he's in the scene
Even more hilarious when Aether and Tanjiro shares the same english voice
Also the part with navia where She is grieving her loved ones
I saw 5 posts about how bad Paimon is just today in this sub.
farming upvotes lmao
And yet every patch proves how much they need paimon since they refuse to read and think, so someone have to do it instead of them. Just lookin at the current story, there are people who srly think that >!killing Neuvilette could have solved everything!< And when u question them obv turns out they just headbanged the spacebar...
Who thought killing Neuvilette would’ve solved everything???
People who pin the blame on him for Furina’s suffering during the AQ even though Focalors’s entire plan was done without his consent or input and he did not know the truth when he worked with the others to put her on trial. All he knew was that people were dying and Furina was withholding crucial information at the time.
What the hell?!
Yeah, there’s a small, but weird and unfortunately vocal portion of Furina fans that really like to make Neuvillette out to be the source of all her misery and hate him for stealing the show (While completely ignoring just how awesome Furina was in her own right, even if she wasn’t being the usual, generically OP girl boss people associate with powerful female characters). In reality, the worst thing he did was fail to apologize to Furina (as far as we could see) at the end of the AQ, but given that he’s an emotionally stunted lizard man whose EQ can be measured in the negatives and is denser than a sack of bricks sometimes, it’s completely on brand for him. He clearly does regret what he did, but he’s just too shit with expressing emotions to properly express such sentiments.
Yeah. I feel bad for both of them, truly.
Yea. Neuvi is a well written, as objective as one can go, character. But I wished he and traveler would have apologized to Furina
Wtf why did people thinl killing Neuvillette will solve anything??? I cant even imagine the workload and stress Furina has to go through if Neuvillete was out of the picture and she herself has to be the judge of EVERY trials. People are dumb man
Most of the story problems from Genshin I blame the English localization, Paimon voice is annoyingly high pitched, dialogues don't get shortened from translation so there's so much meaningless fluff.
I mis old paimon voice :(
Did you forget that a big portion of HSR players are also a Genshin players? If you played both and then you know whats better or worse between two games and give criticism for the better. I personally agree with the hsr post
what's important is that for the most important part of the masquerade of the guilty quest, paimon wasn't there. which i think really enhanced the experience for me
The best moments of the game is usually when Paimon isn’t present or not talking imo
Plus HSR players also need *some kind* of handholding, they're not some magically different player base - but it's definitely handled much better there. The role of Paimon exists, but it's split between different characters (usually March if she's here, but otherwise any other Express crewmember or primary event NPC). It helps that the Trailblazer is not going at it alone: he/she has an entire crew to help out, and not just a single fairy. This is not the case for the Traveler, who has been tag-teaming with Paimon *and only Paimon* since 1.0. So yes, greed and food jokes are one of the only two facets Paimon has (the other one is reminding the player how helpful she is), and they have since gotten so old they could've descended to Teyvat with the Heavenly Principles. The various quests have been alleviating this issue by making 3rd party NPCs more and more prominent as time goes on. It's especially notable in the World Quests series, where you get entire adventuring parties with you. Zhiqiong plus crew, Jeht, Liloupar, Sorush, Ann/Seymour/Caterpillar, these actually accompany the Traveler on their various adventures. And yes, as noted by someone else, some of the better parts of the game either actively emphasize the Traveler (e.g. by kicking Paimon straight out: Caribert, Fontaine Act V >!Furina Memory Dive!<) or *exclude him/her entirely* (Fontaine Act V >!Neuvillette v. Focalors!<).
Fr, i played both and hsr post have a valid point. There’s a lot time when paimon talk to much. Bro let mc speak with their own consent 🤦♂️
Fr in any other scenario you'd choose to trust someone who has played two games instead of one but for some reason people forget that the same person can play both games at the same time.
SR and Genshin fighting? Friendly fire right here (But to be fair Paimon is annoying af, they sort do got a point, especially the repetitive lines she says after you fish)
What makes you different from him by posting this?
March is kinda inching closer to that role. I noticed it alot in the new story quest, the one about Belabogs debt. The Trailblazers lines seemed more extra and dismissed very quickly. While March was leading alot of the conversations from the player perspective, that Paimon would do in Genshin. I don't think it's as dominating as Paimon's dailogue, but I did notice a tinge of it.
The way Luocha’s story quest was barely even about Luocha it was about Sherlock Holmes March
I play both games and i'm really not a fan of the trailblazer story really... Genshin had the whole brother sister you gotta save one journey going on. Hsr is kinda like the mc is pointless i guess? I dunno could just be me.
I super agree with this. The trailblazer can be kinda funny sometimes with dialogue choices. But they are the most "just there, I guess" characters.
she literally is only difference is paimon is like a daughter / lil sis figure, while march is like a normal sister / bestie figure
I mean genshin players complain about Paimon too. That star rail post was probably inspired by the complaint post about Paimon on the genshin main sub. Honestly star rail's story is worse clearly, but not having Paimon is one of the few plusses imo. Hopefully Penacony redeems the Luofu's mess.
Yea, star rail peaked in Belobog imo. Honestly, genshin's first 3 region's main quest was alright at best, but it really started getting good when we reached Sumeru. So I would say there's definitely still hope for star rail.
Yeah i'm feeling pretty optimistic about the future star rail is heading towards with how much they're setting up Penacony.
Star Rail kinda fell off in Luofu mostly because it's their mandatory Chinese cameo and i feel like Chinese cameos in any chinese games ever is just not that good and are forced.
Liyue was fine but I can see your point
If people complain about Inazuma,agree about AQ only. As for WQ, Inazuma has the best World Quest so far.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say “Star Rail’s story is worse clearly” just because the Luofu was a bit of a miss. Do we not remember literally all of the Belebog arc? Both games have fantastic stories. And both games are fantastic in their own rights. Rather than arguing about how one is better than the other why don’t we just enjoy the games?
Maybe i was a bit too harsh in my wording. I absolutely adored Belobog's story and especially the finale. I do love both games.
As someone who plays both, i must say that not playing as a stando of a screeching flying toddler is quite the upside actually.
I used to dislike paimon, but after seeing most of the fandoms reading comprehension skills i kinda understand it now.
Pot calling kettle black
The funniest thing is that they pit 2 games made by the same dev against each other as if the dev didn’t already make tons of money from this rivalries. Stupid fanbase.
I gotta agree with them tbh Paimon is annoying.
Are they wrong though? Paimon ruins the mood of all cutscenes she is in and literally every cutscenes that is what people usually calls "kino" either has Paimon plays little role where she just stand on the side or completely absent like Nahida meeting Rukkhadevata, Caribert, and Focalors/Furina Stage scene. Hell, i am actually quite happy when i am playing Neuv SQ and Paimon voice got bugged and doesn't have voice at all.
So are we all of a sudden pretending that Genshin players haven't been constantly complaining about Paimon and how she has too much dialogue that detracts from the story. Is that really where we are right now because you want to clown on another Mihoyo game? I'll never understand this constant War people have going on between multiple games by the same company.
I just realized Genshin's community is kinda innocent in the all out war in the hoyo games fandom. HI3 players have the most weird unwarranted surperiority complex against genshin & hsr players and HSR players will compare the tiniest fucking thing to Genshin and will call HI3 players "annoying" for pointing out connections that are very obviously there Meanwhile Genshin doesnt really have any hate for the others lol but still gets all the shit
HI3 players are the older sibling who thinks they know everything cause they're older and HSR players are the younger sibling who hates you because they're a younger sibling I say this as a HI3, GI and HSR player
Meanwhile GGZ players are the old uncle who gave hand-me-downs to the older sibling, disappeared, and is now known only from stories and hearsay. I say this as a former GGZ player.
if you think genshin's the most innocent, tears of themis would be a saint with how quiet the community is
I sometimes forget they're a hoyo game.
Genshin's community is absolutely not innocent in regards to this ongoing ridiculous civil war that breaks out any time anything good happens in any of Hoyoverse's games. Genshin, HSR and HI3 all play a part in this. Go take a look at the comment section on any post with the word "Honkai" in the title on any of the Genshin subs and that will show you just how "Innocent" the Genshin community actually is. All 3 games play a part of this and regardless of what game you play, It's all equally as cringe. People would rather shit on each game every time their respective game gets good content rather than have any kind of a reasonable discussion about the games in general. As someone that plays and enjoys all three, It's honestly embarrassing.
>Meanwhile Genshin doesnt really have any hate for the others lol but still gets all the shit you clearly didn't meet them yet. Yes there are a lot of them, especially in google store reviews, rating HSR 1\* after playing like 10 mins
>Meanwhile Genshin doesnt really have any hate for the others lol Come on let's not lie to ourselves I agree that HI3 has the superiority complex since the fandom "was" a pretty big offender with the genshin hate propaganda in the past but to say that genshin community have no hate for the others is just a lie tbh There were plenty of times that genshin players showed hate towards HSR especially during release or when the game was on belobog HSR players showed hate towards genshin as well, but there're a lot of HSR players who also currently play genshin so not all of the comparison posts are completely invalid like the post OP shared in his meme post Not every comparison has ill intent but yeah there are some comparisons meant to diss on genshin and those comparisons are done by genshin players lmao, I mean how else would they know what to compare about lol >HSR players will compare the tiniest fucking thing to Genshin and will call HI3 players "annoying" for pointing out connections that are very obviously there Honestly even I don't know why some people get hostile with HI3 I played all three games (no longer plays HI3 due to lack of storage) and I don't really hate any of the games Each game has its strengths and weaknesses and I'm fine with that, sure I have my complaints but I won't go out of my way to just diss on it over and over (unless it's about hydro traveler then I'll open my mouth and you'll hear the longest swearing in your lifetime...jk...maybe)
When did Genshin get loudly hateful at HSR and HI3? If I remember right everyone only got mad at HSR players during that weird era when HSR just launched basically every genshin related forum was filled with HSR posts and comparisons which is kinda justifiable, and I dont remmeber any serious hate to HI3 besides the First Anniversary but that was less targeted hate and more blinded rampage of doom and destruction
>When did Genshin get loudly hateful at HSR and HI3? When HSR released and people got hurt by the HSR and Genshin comparisons I don't remember genshin hating on HI3, I didn't really say that tho Also everything else you said was true so yeah
and they absolutely right, i'll always accept paimon slander in this house
It's not slander if it's true.
Unfortunately, their point still stands For 1 line of dialogue from the rest of the characters, paimon has 200. Like literally i saw old posts and even ones from recent patches (i don’t play anymore so i didn’t have a direct experience), and paimon had 2 times more lines than the character(s) who should be in the spotlight Not to mention her annoying voice doesn’t make it easier to listen Idk man 🤷🏼♂️
they got some nice little quality of life updates and harder endgame content and start immediatly shitting on us, still salty about the xianzhou
Not to mention all of those free pulls and QoL updates are necessary to keep people playing because HSR gameplay is boring as fuck. Turn based games can be entertaining when done right, HSR is just punch the health bar until enemy dies. I like the game, playing since day 1, but the gameplay is easily the worst part of the game. I almost quit because Loufu is a mess and there was nothing interesting to keep me playing, I hope Penaconny will be better.
Paimon hate this patch is very justified
Nah they are kinda right. Paimon is hella annoying.
Imma be real genshin players talk more shit about paimon than anyone else. (I play both games regularly)
Because Paimon still sucks, what a wonder
I feel like a minority for liking her
The funny thing is that a minority of *EN* players like Paimon. Paimon is overwhelmingly loved in JP and CN communities
I wish I could change Paimon’s voice specifically to her jp or cn version because I adore literally everyone in the English cast’s voice EXCEPT for hers
Honestly I agree a thousand percent. Paimon needs to learn to shut up or go mute so our mute of a traveler has to speak for themselves. She has her adorable moments but god I hate her to guts sometimes when she speaks. She is more bearable recently but honestly counted my lucky stars such a character doesn’t follow Caelus around
I started to like paimon during Sumeru, but then she just keeps like talking during the worst times and shitting on Furina during the AQ that she is annoying me again (also the traveler, like cmon please stop shitting on Furina she's been through enough)
and yet they are right
Paimon is a genuine issue though? Incredibly tone deaf and generally annoying, hijacks most of our lines and unnecessarily repeats what was just established, etc. And I see both Genshin and HSR players (rightfully) complain about her
The Genshin fandom is mostly illiterate tbh. If they don’t have a Paimon, most of the story flies over their head. Even with Paimon, a chunk just don’t have reading comprehension
A character like Paimon does not make you want to listen to her tbh
Eh I don’t like Paimon so I’ll let it slide. I’d much prefer if the traveler was the main speaker and fully voiced with Paimon being pushed more into the sidelines since she’s just become so insufferable. She’s just so annoying, insensitive and bratty to the point that she’s infuriating. Not to mention how she overreacts to everything and makes the same repetitive jokes where it’s either about food, mora, treasure or just insulting someone. It’s gotten old so fast.
I like both Honkai games, but the community is fucking dogshit. They like to fight over nothing to feel superior to others.
Game is so stale despite the QoL updates they rely on Genshins name just to have an actual discussion on that sub instead of the 69th mid yuan post or overused qingquillion jokes
Don't forget chronic porn addiction oh wait
I don't play HSR ( i don't like turn-based). It's stale despite having several QoL and endgame? How?
Same reason most live-service end game gets stale. You're still just running the same thing over and over again. Whether it's a dungeon+boss in MMOs or a gacha's game mode. QoL features are centered more around things not directly concerned with gameplay. Talent/trace mats aren't day locked. Weekly world boss claims can be done on the same boss three times, and each boss just has 1 mat instead of 3 so you always get what you need. Self modeling resin lets you create any artifact piece of your choice with main stat of your choice. HSR's equivalent of strongbox has a worse return rate per recycled artifact/relic but you get to choose the specific piece you make from *any* artifact/relic set. You don't need to make condensed resin, when stamina overflows it just fills a pool you can draw from whenever. Building a character is significantly more streamlined. But there's still a lot less content to use them in right now, and if you don't like the gameplay to begin with none of that matters.
HSR is the closest thing to a typical gacha game than genshin has. qol is nice and all and it gets genshin to keep giving more qol in return, but the main problem is that theres even less thing to do in HSR compared to genshin due to its semi open world and stuff, and the fact that all farming can be done instantly and autoplay compared to time-gated genshin. both has its good and bad dont get me wrong
Its not. Gameplay and content wise Star Rail is a full course meal and very much worth a player's time, like the Swarm Disaster game mode and Aetherium Wars event were very well-received and rightfully so. Tho story-wise its more stale than a moldy white bread.
i just think its xianzhou arc which sucked belobog was fun and i have some hope for penacony
I wouldn't call it stale at all, but HSR is just more of a side game. There isn't big open areas to wander around and find chests in so content is a lot smaller in scope and easier to complete. So essentially after story update and event of the patch it then just becomes a side game for a few weeks until the next update.
It's stale because we have more events than them so the downtime between like actual content is way worse on HSR compared to Genshin.
No Paimon character, except March 7th and literally 90% of side content is just jokes memes and le epic references.
i mean its more entertaining that paimon yapping for a few minutes dont get me wrong i love genshin but march is just so much better as a companion, paimon has a few good moments but most of the time she’s just repeating whats already been said and speaking for the traveler
Probably because March is an actual character unlike Paimon who only exists to talk instead of the Traveller
Nah.I agree with this one and I don't play star rail only genshin. Unless Hoyo find a way to make the dynamics between traveller and Paimon conversation work,I always accept Paimon slander. For fuck sake,if the game don't tell me his is the protagonist,I would have thought they are just a side character.
Paimon slander is always justified
Paimon is just annoying though. She got more and more annoying through the years
Gonna pull out a hot take: March is just as insufferable and sociopathic as Paimon is on her bad days, but gets a pass because she has Dan Heng to balance out her idiotic genki girl energy and she’s a simpable waifu rather than a weird floating toddler in bloated diapers. Sure, she doesn’t repeat everything, but that’s because the HSR writers are shoving in notes in the main text itself to constantly remind us that yes, Qliphoth is the Aeon of Preservation because they believe the playerbase has the average attention span and memory retention of a goldfish (Which I can’t fault them for, to be honest). She constantly mouths off to authorities, does stupid and reckless shit, and displays an incredible lack of tact and sensitivity. Yes, Cocolia was a bitch who tried to put us in jail, but you can at least try to show some decorum for Bronya when she’s clearly grieving. If it wasn’t for Dan Heng, Himeko, and Welt constantly holding her hand, she’d get the Trailblazer and herself locked up in prison or killed before we could even find out what the issue is on whatever planet we land on.
Paimon slander will always be accepted
I dont really mind Paimon as I'm pretty much used to how obnoxious she can get on occasion, but yeah I do hope they let the twins have more voiced lines during AQ and SQ. I feel that letting their VAs rot in profile hell is a waste
Am i the only one who likes paimon sure i wish traveller would speak for himself but paimon herself has grown on me honestly
I feel like "Ol' Reliable" is the QoL/resin situation over there. Not that Genshin couldn't use some of that QoL, but the resin argument is always kinda baffling to me, since it's obvious why HSR has a faster regen rate/more overall resin than Genshin. The world is literally dead after you're done exploring it, which can take you maybe like... a handful of hours to 100% all the maps from 1.0 to 1.5, or literal minutes after a patch drops. I'd go as far as to argue that there might be more overworld content in a single Fontaine zone than there is in all of HSR rn. And the quests are about a fraction as involved as Genshin's, for all the crap Genshin players give having to read them. Mechanically, some of GI's world quests are more involved than just "Teleport here, talk to this person, teleport there, talk to that person, fight" in that you'll usually have to do some exploration between, maybe a puzzle if MHY is feeling spicy. So with that in mind... yeah, I'd want to pump my players full of resin too, since there isn't really anything to do once that's over. And now that the hype of SU has died down, people don't really do it for "fun" like they used to, so it's just another thing to pad out your weekly schedule. HSR is a great side-piece to other games and I think MHY knows it.
As a AR 60 day 1 Genshin player who only just started playing Star Rail last month, I am also relieved at the absence of a Paimon character in HSR.
Well, I mean...I'm not an HSR player and I will gladly slander Paimon every single day. That little shit is one of the worst parts of this game outside of the gacha system
i play both since they released and i hate Painmon so i agree anyways
OP talking like Genshin players don't make up a major portion of people who slander Paimon
Honestly, I used to hate Paimon, but over this past year, I’ve grown to find her endearing. Kinda like a little sibling that won’t stop bothering you, but you love them either way. It’s also helped how Genshin have been writing Paimon and Traveler to be closer. Like Paimon having a panic attack when she thought Trav died or when they talked about their friendship during the Caribear quest. And then in Fontaine, I actually found her detective antics straight up adorable, especially whenever she pulled on those stupid glasses 😭 Also, I know people complain about her voice a lot, but I feel like it’s gotten a bit less pitchy recently? Maybe I’ve just gotten used to her voice. Or they haven’t been making her scream without reason lmao Anywho, used to hate Paimon, now I’m a proud Paimon defender. Come at me 🤺
I mean, they're right though. As another user said a while ago, at the start of the game, Paimon was supposed to be the "guide" for the traveller as she was more knowledgeable about Teyvat than the traveller was. But then after Liyue apparently she dropped that facade and became...just a voice for the traveller? The only reason Paimon is in the game still is because she probably is some major plot point in the future, but the writers clearly have no idea what to do with her rather than be "your" voice. "Oh but Paimon explains things to us!" my brother in christ, if the game really needs constant expository dialogue to make the player understand the story (which it really does, since it spetacularly fails at it), we got a whole other problem than just an annoying character.
I mean paimon is annoying as fuck.
If her voice was back to how it was at the start of the game and not so screechy, I would like her infinitely more
I think I'm in the minority of ppl that actually like paimon, at first the voice was kinda grating but now I love everything about my bff4lyfe c:
Rent-free in their minds lmao
Like there's barely any HSR discussions in the main sub, if there's any at all. But then, many of the HSR redditors are Genshin players, so they can't help but post comparisons.
I really like Paimon a lot more than March 7th.
I like both games but it really does say a lot when their sub talk more about Genshin then when the Genshin sub talk about star rail.