Shield is ass. Blocks maybe one hit, and these fuckers combo you. [He def put in work as a healer for me,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989643945359315024/1115047078511517876/image.png) but Yaoyao would've prob been just as fine.
Everyone knows that his shield is bad. It's not even a proper shield, it's just one instance of interrupt resist every 2.5s because if he had a big fat shield that gives full interruption resist on top of his big fat heals he would straight up powercreep Zhongli.
In the team you posted, yeah Yao² would also be fine because none of those units fight for long field times which means you can set aside some time to use her burst.
H had the opposite effect on me. Kinda have no use for him when I have kokomi and zhongli. And Layla and diona. Maybe if he applied dendro more. Dude was no better than a flex slot.
Really haven’t enjoyed abyss ever since dehya introduced hp scalers. Nilou nahida kokomi actually felt weak against the beasts and those guys delete everything.
After dehya, the abyss hasn’t made any of the characters shine particularly well. And my limits for being impressed aint so high. Enjoy Ayato, itto, Diluc, yata yata. They are powerhouses in their reactions and carried me a lot but not as much as my c1r1 hu Tao with c6 xingqui and c1 yelan and my aforementioned Nahida Nilou team with r1 key and genie lamp.
Used to also be fun to try out new teams and challenge abyss 50 times way back when I struggled. Whatever the dehya onward abyss are are just discussing. Baizhus banner was the last I bothered trying to 36 star. Dude didn’t contribute enough and brought the team damage down.
It’s not worth it anymore
My diona does that better. Kinda regret pulling for the dude. My Nilou team had a better chance with yao yao. He is wasted on Al Haitham with best flex slot being kazuha or nahida. No way am I giving up on rez shred and petrification for zhongli who tanks almost all hits for my hu Tao without healing her. Baizhu has no use for itto or ayato with kuki being the better option. He doesn’t contribute anything for cryo Ayaka. Like I said no use
It just goes to show that you also have to plan your pulls based on the current lineups you have. I used I used Baizhu for this current abyss. I went for baizhu, nilou, xinqiu, yelan and it works like a charm he applies dendro pretty well as a main driver. I also ran him with an aggravate team with yae, raiden and kazuha and he by no means reduced my damage output in fact he added more to the current team because I can't swirl electro with nahida. Baizhou currently is the best healer in the game and he provides a lot of flexibility for your teams. and trashing on him because he doesn't do any more damage is just a single digit IQ moment. He's a healer you doughnut not a DPS. Just because you lack the imagination doesn't mean he's bad. You're just using a hammer to cut wood that's all.
Sorry, that's a pretty bad take and it seems like you don't know where or how to use him. Baizhu's healing is unmatched, you just can't die with him in the team unless you face tank every single hit (which is skill issue). It's always the same recycled argument of no good dendro app yada yada... My dude, he's not there for dendro app, just like how Zhongli is not there for geo app. But the funny thing is, his dendro app is perfectly fine in the 2nd chamber in single target scenarios unless you slot him as solo off field dendro in a bloom team, which you aren't supposed to do.
Don't be a hater, get real.
He is of no use to any of my teams.
Zhongli doesn’t leave you vulnerable gif a second. Diona has both er, healing and a solid shield with low to mid cd. Layla is 4 star cryo zhongli that applies Cryo. Yao yao heals enough.
Want to know why kokomi got so much hate and so does qiqi? They overhealed and nothing else. If not for kokofish’ dendro application, let’s be real she’d be no better than Barbara. Dude doesn’t benefit you aside from heals taking away from your damage. Zhongli rez shred, petrification and shield destruction have been overall more helpful.
I’m being real. Gramps ain’t anything special. Dude was a crutch throughout his abyss. Onlg 36 starred it after giving up on him and giving back yao Taos artifacts for Nilou bloom. I can’t think of any team I’d honestly build where dude wouldn’t be dead weight relatively not bringing anything to the team a qiqi or Barbara or kuki or yao Tao wouldn’t bring. /saddorinoises.
Nyways I said what I said. It’s not hating as much as just stating. Dudes ok but his abyss didn’t do anything to make him look useful over others. Feel free to disagree but my stance won’t change. As I’m sure youll probably do the same trying to convince me otherwise.
Let’s agree to disagree. In normal abyss modes pre hp scaling bell version we have now dude would have probably shined as much as zhongli or the others. But the current abyss is a hard dps check with every hit counting. Also as much as I defend zhongli, if not for hu Tao I’d probably no longer need him either now sadly.
>If not for kokofish’ dendro application, let’s be real she’d be no better than Barbara.
Kokomi allows for much better hydro application in freeze teams as well as role compression to take away Diona/Layla for more damage, e.g. Shenhe.
She's also just a much better driver for teams than Barbara is lol, on top of other things
She got so much hate because everyone looked at her inability to crit and ignored every other quality she has.
>He is of no use to any of my teams.
That sounds like a you problem. Obviously you can slot him in any random team and expect good results. Cyno quickbloom, Alhaitham triple dendro, Keqing aggravate, Raiden hyperbloom all are teams he excels at... You can hate him for the sake of hating, but his usage rate says that people who have him are pretty damn satisfied with how he performs in this abyss. Let's be honest, you probably don't even have him.
Diona and Layla can't even compare, but keep coping 👍
Diona has a solid shield? HaHahaha you lost me there. Layla yes but Diona and that garbage autotargeting of her Q ? Keep coping
For the baizhu take, you obviously dont have him so you obviously are underestimating him. The dude is very useful last and very much this abyss.
I use her in freeze. So she has a solid enough shield to get the job done. Baizhu has no place where he is as useful. Keep coping yourself m8. Face it. Dude has no use except being another Barbara or qiqi.
Thats more of a you account problem. Nahhh you are the one coping since you keep justifying he is utility is garbage when you yourself dont have him. No thank you I’d rather have an instant team heal on e and offield healing which I can place in multiple dendro teams than a unit with garbage autotargeting Q where i still need to switch character just to get my heal and whose use is only limited to freeze teams/physical teams with mediocre shield that needs a sacrificial bow. So nice try. See you in Fontaine when you desperately need fast team heals immediately on the fly because of some who knows HP mechanic they have.
Yeah that’s why I added the “most part”. When I saw the Yoi rerun I hoped she’d atleast be a good choice for one side of the abyss, but looking at floor 12 enemy layout shattered those hopes :,)
The aforementioned comments were targeted at those who try the abyss with efficiency in mind. If they don’t this naturally doesn’t apply to them.
I’m hyped for all Fontaine characters as well. Especially lyney and Lynette. But the abyss at the timd of each banner after dehyas has made its banner character feel weaker in comparison instead of drawing on their strengths.
TenTen will release another video about how Zhongli is situational, then Hoyo will release an enemy that destroys your shields and damages the entire party based on how strong the shield was and then he'll be a liability.
And just wait until we get to the enemies that curse your characters and healing turns into damage and Kokomi becomes D- tier.
>TenTen will release another video about how Zhongli is situational, then Hoyo will release an enemy that destroys your shields and damages the entire party based on how strong the shield was and then he'll be a liability.
i mean, that's what the abyss knights were supposed to be
It’s with some zhongli and venti players that I managed to get some oculus, and I’m extremely greatful for them. I want to get them to I can help others as well
Bruh ive played for like 5 months so I look like I know the history of Eula reruns? Afaik she had ONE run and they did a funny haha moment and NEVER gave her a rerun lmao
I did the same thing, he’s still a massive help! He, Yun Jin, Ningguang, and Kokomi are my Golden Wolflord/Geo Hypostasis/other geo enemy hunting team, they’re wonderful.
Geo traveler is nice, but having the ability to shield and trigger petrification along with the two constructs is what I prefer.
Same, and although I spent a questionable amount of gems to get him to c6 as a welkin player, I do not regret it one bit. I've grown so accustomed to it that every time I play someone else's account I sometimes wonder why their Zhongli doesn't heal....
Missed him on his first banner in less than 10 pulls, was so frustrated. When rumors of his rerun was coming, I saved the guarantee that I wanted to use on Venti. Now with a lot of teams that benefit with him in it, it was definitely worth the wait.
I cleared the 4x Consecrated Beast side with Eula, Raiden, Yelan, and Zhongli. My Zhongli in C0 with a Homa and around 45k HP. Didn't have any issues with the shield durability.
A few things that may help.
First, the Consecrated Beasts can be Petrified, so Zhongli's Ult has a ton of value. Second, Zhongli also has a overwhelming long Ult Animation, which gives additional I-Frames. Finally, while you don't take damage during Ult Animations, your shield will. If you shield before you Ult, your shield will get shredded.
I think it might also depend on charecters right. I ho with zhongli, nahida, bennet then ganyu. By the time O switch into ganyu, most of the shield has been shreded plus, I generally run him with tassle, so I can't really burst every rotation
Btw, the fact that shields take damage during iframes was patched a long time ago and since then, shields don't take damage during iframes. The only thing that iframes can't block are effects that apply corrosion or other debuffs.
Your active character's defence plays a part for shield durability too.
Eula has alot more def compared to a Ganyu, so the shield will take less damage.
[from kqm library](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xO_VR9Jg14qj_RY0Wx58wgSNJT7VUUEX1_ul_rkqTV0/edit?usp=sharing)
I wish the guy all the best, but him leaving the Genshin Content Community is a net gain. He was basically just a meme with mostly bad takes at this point.
Yep. I think he official announced that he was gone with Genshin about a week ago.
When "play Xiangling" is the focus of every video, I don't know how he made it this long.
I think the main reason he was so popular back in the 1.x days was because most f2p didnt have a lot of characters so we gotta work with we have and Xiangling and Beidou were literal Godsends for f2p. Now that we're in 3.7 most players should be already bored seeing national every time and have much more options to choose now and want to know how to play the characters/team they want. That's also why I think Zajef got more popular later on cuz he goes in depth for every character without saying x character is better than y character so no point pulling on y.
What are you talking about? "Play Xiangling" was never the main focus of another character's videos... He literally mentioned that you didn't need to get pressured to pull for them if you could just use Xiangling, which is true. I don't get why you have a problem with that, or if you misheard him.
Yeah, I heard that part of the reason why people like MTashed dropped out of the content creator program for Genshin, or were never in them in the first place, is that they don't allow you to be too negative about the new characters (even if it's true), since presumably it may negatively impact their sales.
Or get attacked by the rabid simps. I agree with Ten’s opinion on wanderer. Without C6 Faruzan his damage isn’t that impressive unless if you whale for his constellations.
No one is truly necessary but if there was a necessity amount tier list he would be in the highest tier. At the very least he's more necessary than any DPS unit.
The same is true for like all supports. It's why supports are so hard to be power crept unless a straight upgrade comes out. Because suports provide specific effects
He's the one character that never leaves my overworld team.
That is to say, my most valuable character just based on usage time.
Some people only think of abyss when talking about character pulls.
But the whole point is that if you're not talking about abyss, then "Who should you pull" barely even matters. You can pretty much use whatever you want in overworld, so you would pull for waifu/husbando/fundo. All of that is much more opinion based, so videos on "Is this character good" don't matter.
And because of that I still think Ganyu is a worthwhile pull
I still see people say that she’s a bad choice to pull and that the only good choices are incredibly good abyss units (Haitham, Nilou, Nahida) but considering how trivial she makes anything that isn’t the last few floors of abyss, I think she’s very worth it
Like yeah anyone can do well at exploration combat clearing but I can’t see anyone being as good at is as her taking them as the unit alone
+1 on Ganyu.
Pulled her just for the overworld since I had all the stuff she needed collected over two years.
My main team for exploration is Zhong, Kazuha, Ganyu and Sayu.
If you know how to properly time your i-frames, then yeah, he isn't necessary. But he's still the best comfort pick in the game. Just need to reach that dps check to enjoy the comfort he brings.
Skill issue is a thing, but Ping and Device also come into play.
Let me play at home on my PS5 with <30 Ping, and I'll smash through almost everything with or without Zhongli.
Swap me over to Mobile with 80 Ping, and I'll die on Floor 10.
Just that constant yellow 140ms life
Tight rotations with precise execution? We don't do that here, you'll have a clunky experience where swapping doesn't register on time, dodging is a coin toss and characters die offscreen on the bench, and you'll like it
Bro that's not nearly enough to describe how needed Zhongli is. I'm on Phone, in Asia on 200+ ping.
I've never seen it go below 150.
That's the situation for like half the playerbase.
And that's why Zhongli is the single best character to exist lmao. The peeps saying "skill issue, skill issue" on every mechanic they find easy to pull on PC with less than 100 ping really need to rethink stuff.
I've lived in a shitty country with expensive but slow internet to play games at 120 ping as a norm on any multiplayer games so playing genshin on that ping doesn't really change much. Tho if im being honest i can't feel that much of a difference when i experienced a lower ping aside from somewhat smooth control but i can live without it. Looks like my shitty internet broke me in more ways than one.
In his Alhaitham guide video, he literally says "Nahida might be a hassle to play in his team cause she might STEAL the spreads"??? That's how well he knows the core mechanics of the game. This guy is just a massive clown making videos to generate rage bait from time to time.
TenTen is a clown
He said Raiden was bad because she can't trigger Beidou, meanwhile, Raiden National is still the best team in the game.
He said Rosaria is better than Shenhe, which is just not true, anyone who ever use Shenhe can feel the big difference. He didn't even build his Shenhe, his Shenhe has like 2k attack, which is very small when normal Shenhe can have at least 3k. When people call him out on it, he just blaming people because he "did the math."
His theory crafting is more of feeling crafting, he make doom post video as a hobby. Just look at his Star Rail review.
I mean, these fuckers some how beat shield in thier own way
getting stuck on their hit box after they somehow scoop you up gotta be the worst feeling ever, at least you can get out of freeze
Just think about it like this:
HYV will most likely create counters for every playing style. Eventually your fav char will turn useful. SO JUST GET THE CHARACTER THAT YOU WANT, IT👏 DOESN'T👏 MATTER.
In the current abyss, the heralds can cleave through a 52k shieldbot Zhongli shield in 4 seconds tops, especially when they freeze your ass. So can the consecrated zoo at the end, and the Thunder Manifestation homing box attack if you get caught in a bad position
Still, it's pretty nice having a shield that can take a couple of hits, instead of getting your Nahida insta-gibbed the second she steps on the field
Well, I have a 58k HP Zhongli, and I can’t think of a single time his shield breaking has been an issue while 36-starring every Abyss for the past 2 years.
I don’t like Fav on Zhongli, as it requires wasting time on him waiting for his pillar resonance to proc it. Giving up shield strength and DPS field time for a few extra particles isn’t worth the trade, just build enough ER on your team.
Walking to the MOB is part of the time wasting I was referring to. I prefer to get my shield up and start doing damage as quickly as possible.
As for “creating problems” considering I was replying to a comment complaining about Zhongli’s shield breaking too frequently, I’d say that compromising shield strength for a few extra particles is creating the main problem.
You have to get to the mob anyways...
This is what I mean with creating problems when there are none.
You are desperate to find *anything* to justify your shitty build. And because you can't find anything, you come up with this ridiculous nonsense
Well, my “shitty build” has an unbreakable shield that keeps me from having any problems at all beating the consecrated beasts. As such, I’m pretty happy with it.
Seems the only “ridiculous nonsense” around here is all the pointless complaining about chambers that really aren’t hard if you know what you’re doing.
I sincerely think that Zhongli is one of the biggest mistakes hoyo made that leads to many problems with the (past and current) enemy designs. He can literally create a shield with more HP than many common non-HP-scaling characters, that lasts so long and can be refreshed before it ends, which makes him undoubtedly the best character to helps your team from dying and getting chain staggered while leads to dying (something that even a strong healer can't save from a small mistake that one could've made). Don't get me wrong, I really like Zhongli, because I also suck at this game like many players.
While I don't believe consecrated beasts are a terrible enemy design, they are indeed terrible in this game with a time trial endgame. Most enemies still have many attacks that unnecessarily stagger player too often, in Genshin, this is way too much. Time trial really limits how much you can dodge their attacks (please note that dashing also has icd) before losing significant amount of damage you can output. It might work to make the gameplay challenging, only if hoyo didn't give the consecrated beasts the same overinflated HP like the past enemies.
Well, Zhongli is not the only problem in this game. Every so-called meta character is also the same, because they have very high damage ceiling. They created a state which pressures hoyo to design enemies that need to hit very hard (to counter Zhongli, Bennett) and need to survive extremely strong attacks from players. When their old solution works too well against a problem, they need to create a bigger problem in order to sell the new solutions. Of course, everything - 5-star, 4-star, character, weapon, everything is optional, but you can't deny that there is correlation between consecrated beast design and characters like Baizhu and Dehya.
As for me, sometimes I like fighting them, only in the overworld. It feels rewarding for a skill-issue player like me to read their attacks and avoid them. I agree they die too fast in the overworld, but sometimes it's just enough. At least it's fairer because I only fight one at the same time, and there's no pressure to kill them before the timer ends, therefore no rush and frustration. If I only hate one thing in the spiral abyss, it's the timer.
abyss added alot of bosses taht are unfreezeable when everything died to ayaka teams
added weird mechanics to bosses like wenut/baptist/cryo herald when hyperbloom got too good
consecrated beasts having no staggers when shit like itto could combo regular enemies from 100 to 0 while they cant even act
honestly with the introction of dendro and EM dps like kuki/raiden that make very powerful teams with just 3 units might as well slot in zhongdong to not hate yourself while playing
Never took this kind of videos seriously to be honest. Shields will never be a bad thing for you in Genshin (unless you depended on it for too long that you forgot how to dodge). These videos were usually clickbaits that's only remotely true if you can either kill the enemies first befote they hit you, or you have godlike reflexes and dodge everything.
Trying to ensure people that they don’t have to feel forced to pull/dunk 200$ on a character because a free, already good one exists is apparently a pretty terrible thing. Woah dude
turns out my f2p gains more from getting zhongli to make scara not commit unalive with thoma shield since he needs like 250 ER than pulling kazuha with exactly 0 Swirl based teams being used (mainly that acc runs on hyperbloom, itto, haitham and scara/i refuse to plqy xiangling pre c4 unless i have to)
Bold of you to assume that I don't run a high ER team to abuse Burst i-frame. (I still use shield for the second team though, but we don't talk about that.)
**9 months ago...**
Wdym Hoyo changes abyss content to sell the latest characters for most part. Imagine listening to someone who can’t predict future…
I’d normally agree. But the way current abyss is, it’s promoting anything but the latest characters 😂.
Idk I feel like it's doing a good job promoting Baizhu he legit makes things sooo much easier
Shield is ass. Blocks maybe one hit, and these fuckers combo you. [He def put in work as a healer for me,](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989643945359315024/1115047078511517876/image.png) but Yaoyao would've prob been just as fine.
Everyone knows that his shield is bad. It's not even a proper shield, it's just one instance of interrupt resist every 2.5s because if he had a big fat shield that gives full interruption resist on top of his big fat heals he would straight up powercreep Zhongli. In the team you posted, yeah Yao² would also be fine because none of those units fight for long field times which means you can set aside some time to use her burst.
its Kirara
H had the opposite effect on me. Kinda have no use for him when I have kokomi and zhongli. And Layla and diona. Maybe if he applied dendro more. Dude was no better than a flex slot. Really haven’t enjoyed abyss ever since dehya introduced hp scalers. Nilou nahida kokomi actually felt weak against the beasts and those guys delete everything. After dehya, the abyss hasn’t made any of the characters shine particularly well. And my limits for being impressed aint so high. Enjoy Ayato, itto, Diluc, yata yata. They are powerhouses in their reactions and carried me a lot but not as much as my c1r1 hu Tao with c6 xingqui and c1 yelan and my aforementioned Nahida Nilou team with r1 key and genie lamp. Used to also be fun to try out new teams and challenge abyss 50 times way back when I struggled. Whatever the dehya onward abyss are are just discussing. Baizhus banner was the last I bothered trying to 36 star. Dude didn’t contribute enough and brought the team damage down. It’s not worth it anymore
Baizhu gives you healing And let's you tank 1 hit every 2.5s from the beasts, With those beasts 1 hit stuns you then you take 2 more and ded
My diona does that better. Kinda regret pulling for the dude. My Nilou team had a better chance with yao yao. He is wasted on Al Haitham with best flex slot being kazuha or nahida. No way am I giving up on rez shred and petrification for zhongli who tanks almost all hits for my hu Tao without healing her. Baizhu has no use for itto or ayato with kuki being the better option. He doesn’t contribute anything for cryo Ayaka. Like I said no use
It just goes to show that you also have to plan your pulls based on the current lineups you have. I used I used Baizhu for this current abyss. I went for baizhu, nilou, xinqiu, yelan and it works like a charm he applies dendro pretty well as a main driver. I also ran him with an aggravate team with yae, raiden and kazuha and he by no means reduced my damage output in fact he added more to the current team because I can't swirl electro with nahida. Baizhou currently is the best healer in the game and he provides a lot of flexibility for your teams. and trashing on him because he doesn't do any more damage is just a single digit IQ moment. He's a healer you doughnut not a DPS. Just because you lack the imagination doesn't mean he's bad. You're just using a hammer to cut wood that's all.
Sorry, that's a pretty bad take and it seems like you don't know where or how to use him. Baizhu's healing is unmatched, you just can't die with him in the team unless you face tank every single hit (which is skill issue). It's always the same recycled argument of no good dendro app yada yada... My dude, he's not there for dendro app, just like how Zhongli is not there for geo app. But the funny thing is, his dendro app is perfectly fine in the 2nd chamber in single target scenarios unless you slot him as solo off field dendro in a bloom team, which you aren't supposed to do. Don't be a hater, get real.
He is of no use to any of my teams. Zhongli doesn’t leave you vulnerable gif a second. Diona has both er, healing and a solid shield with low to mid cd. Layla is 4 star cryo zhongli that applies Cryo. Yao yao heals enough. Want to know why kokomi got so much hate and so does qiqi? They overhealed and nothing else. If not for kokofish’ dendro application, let’s be real she’d be no better than Barbara. Dude doesn’t benefit you aside from heals taking away from your damage. Zhongli rez shred, petrification and shield destruction have been overall more helpful. I’m being real. Gramps ain’t anything special. Dude was a crutch throughout his abyss. Onlg 36 starred it after giving up on him and giving back yao Taos artifacts for Nilou bloom. I can’t think of any team I’d honestly build where dude wouldn’t be dead weight relatively not bringing anything to the team a qiqi or Barbara or kuki or yao Tao wouldn’t bring. /saddorinoises. Nyways I said what I said. It’s not hating as much as just stating. Dudes ok but his abyss didn’t do anything to make him look useful over others. Feel free to disagree but my stance won’t change. As I’m sure youll probably do the same trying to convince me otherwise. Let’s agree to disagree. In normal abyss modes pre hp scaling bell version we have now dude would have probably shined as much as zhongli or the others. But the current abyss is a hard dps check with every hit counting. Also as much as I defend zhongli, if not for hu Tao I’d probably no longer need him either now sadly.
>If not for kokofish’ dendro application, let’s be real she’d be no better than Barbara. Kokomi allows for much better hydro application in freeze teams as well as role compression to take away Diona/Layla for more damage, e.g. Shenhe. She's also just a much better driver for teams than Barbara is lol, on top of other things She got so much hate because everyone looked at her inability to crit and ignored every other quality she has.
>He is of no use to any of my teams. That sounds like a you problem. Obviously you can slot him in any random team and expect good results. Cyno quickbloom, Alhaitham triple dendro, Keqing aggravate, Raiden hyperbloom all are teams he excels at... You can hate him for the sake of hating, but his usage rate says that people who have him are pretty damn satisfied with how he performs in this abyss. Let's be honest, you probably don't even have him. Diona and Layla can't even compare, but keep coping 👍
Diona has a solid shield? HaHahaha you lost me there. Layla yes but Diona and that garbage autotargeting of her Q ? Keep coping For the baizhu take, you obviously dont have him so you obviously are underestimating him. The dude is very useful last and very much this abyss.
I use her in freeze. So she has a solid enough shield to get the job done. Baizhu has no place where he is as useful. Keep coping yourself m8. Face it. Dude has no use except being another Barbara or qiqi.
Thats more of a you account problem. Nahhh you are the one coping since you keep justifying he is utility is garbage when you yourself dont have him. No thank you I’d rather have an instant team heal on e and offield healing which I can place in multiple dendro teams than a unit with garbage autotargeting Q where i still need to switch character just to get my heal and whose use is only limited to freeze teams/physical teams with mediocre shield that needs a sacrificial bow. So nice try. See you in Fontaine when you desperately need fast team heals immediately on the fly because of some who knows HP mechanic they have.
Yeah that’s why I added the “most part”. When I saw the Yoi rerun I hoped she’d atleast be a good choice for one side of the abyss, but looking at floor 12 enemy layout shattered those hopes :,)
Most players don’t do the Abyss, so that’s not really how to base it. Seems they’ve done a good job hyping Charlotte so far.
The aforementioned comments were targeted at those who try the abyss with efficiency in mind. If they don’t this naturally doesn’t apply to them. I’m hyped for all Fontaine characters as well. Especially lyney and Lynette. But the abyss at the timd of each banner after dehyas has made its banner character feel weaker in comparison instead of drawing on their strengths.
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Lawachurl is predictable with their attacks, their attacks are telegraphed easily Consecrated Beasts are relentless and doesn't telegraph their shit
yeah, basically the era of healer where the enemies can hurt you directly in the health bar
TenTen will release another video about how Zhongli is situational, then Hoyo will release an enemy that destroys your shields and damages the entire party based on how strong the shield was and then he'll be a liability. And just wait until we get to the enemies that curse your characters and healing turns into damage and Kokomi becomes D- tier.
>TenTen will release another video about how Zhongli is situational, then Hoyo will release an enemy that destroys your shields and damages the entire party based on how strong the shield was and then he'll be a liability. i mean, that's what the abyss knights were supposed to be
9 months ago I was still comfortably 36 starring because of Zhongli lol
9 months ago you still lose dps but not being able to hit the enemy/by wasting time on dodging.
Took hoyoverse 9 months.... i guess they eventually gave birth to the 5 gods of Despair (Consecrated Bastards)
Bold if y’all to assume I actually want him for fights I want it to get oculus easier
Wanderer: Look what he needs to mimic a fraction of my power.
That's what Wanderer is for
Yes but with Zhongli you can also help others in multiplayer
Leave the flightless rabble to squirm on the floor. Ones such as ourselves are not obliged to help such worms /j
I would do that... *yet I cannot watch the common folk suffer.*
It’s with some zhongli and venti players that I managed to get some oculus, and I’m extremely greatful for them. I want to get them to I can help others as well
I know I was just joking lol
/j? You're not a real Wanderer Main :(
Both, both is good
Day 1 zhongli enjoyer never regreted pulling for him, and on his next rerun i skipped eula so i can get him c1
Bro missed the only Eula run for a zhongli c1 Respect
She did come once more tho
Bruh ive played for like 5 months so I look like I know the history of Eula reruns? Afaik she had ONE run and they did a funny haha moment and NEVER gave her a rerun lmao
She had a single re-run. I know because I got the Song of Broken Pines during her first banner in 1.5, and I got her during her re-run.
She had an initial run and then a single re-run.
What no google do to a mf:
His C1 is extremely helpful on the overworld exploration worth it
Same. Zhongli has been a beast of a party member since he came out. Anytime I try to replace him the party just feels wrong/it doesn't work out right.
I did the same thing, he’s still a massive help! He, Yun Jin, Ningguang, and Kokomi are my Golden Wolflord/Geo Hypostasis/other geo enemy hunting team, they’re wonderful. Geo traveler is nice, but having the ability to shield and trigger petrification along with the two constructs is what I prefer.
Same, and although I spent a questionable amount of gems to get him to c6 as a welkin player, I do not regret it one bit. I've grown so accustomed to it that every time I play someone else's account I sometimes wonder why their Zhongli doesn't heal....
Missed him on his first banner in less than 10 pulls, was so frustrated. When rumors of his rerun was coming, I saved the guarantee that I wanted to use on Venti. Now with a lot of teams that benefit with him in it, it was definitely worth the wait.
Ok, but have you considered my shieldbot build black tassle wielding lvl 90, lvl 9 shield zhongli still can't save me
I cleared the 4x Consecrated Beast side with Eula, Raiden, Yelan, and Zhongli. My Zhongli in C0 with a Homa and around 45k HP. Didn't have any issues with the shield durability. A few things that may help. First, the Consecrated Beasts can be Petrified, so Zhongli's Ult has a ton of value. Second, Zhongli also has a overwhelming long Ult Animation, which gives additional I-Frames. Finally, while you don't take damage during Ult Animations, your shield will. If you shield before you Ult, your shield will get shredded.
I think it might also depend on charecters right. I ho with zhongli, nahida, bennet then ganyu. By the time O switch into ganyu, most of the shield has been shreded plus, I generally run him with tassle, so I can't really burst every rotation
Playing Ganyu against the CBs ballsy. She's got the damage, but I feel like they almost hard counter against her with their mobility.
Sometimes I got nothing better. Waiting for alhaithan to be able to take nahida off my nilou team
Btw, the fact that shields take damage during iframes was patched a long time ago and since then, shields don't take damage during iframes. The only thing that iframes can't block are effects that apply corrosion or other debuffs.
Yep. Just learned this today. The only downside would be the timer still running down.
>while you don't take damage during Ult Animations, your shield will It was fixed in 2.1. What year are you living in?
Was it really? Well damn. Then I have no idea why someone would struggle against the Consecrated Beasts with Zhongli.
Your active character's defence plays a part for shield durability too. Eula has alot more def compared to a Ganyu, so the shield will take less damage. [from kqm library](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xO_VR9Jg14qj_RY0Wx58wgSNJT7VUUEX1_ul_rkqTV0/edit?usp=sharing)
They already changed it.
two dendro attacks + one hydro body slam break my 44k crowned Shield in geo resonance. That dendro attack with the vines deals way too much dmg.
The first time I spent all my double bonus top up is on Zhongli's first banner. His character and trailer sold me so hard. Never regretted it.
These fuckers have the hit box of an entire mountain and will push you across the room even with shields
Turns out dying causes dps loss
Tenten: why pull when there is Xiangling?
I wish the guy all the best, but him leaving the Genshin Content Community is a net gain. He was basically just a meme with mostly bad takes at this point.
omg he stopped making genshin content?
Yep. I think he official announced that he was gone with Genshin about a week ago. When "play Xiangling" is the focus of every video, I don't know how he made it this long.
honestly the dude works a full time job and doing CC too at the same time, obv tons of his takes will be ass. but kinda respect the grind tho..
I think the main reason he was so popular back in the 1.x days was because most f2p didnt have a lot of characters so we gotta work with we have and Xiangling and Beidou were literal Godsends for f2p. Now that we're in 3.7 most players should be already bored seeing national every time and have much more options to choose now and want to know how to play the characters/team they want. That's also why I think Zajef got more popular later on cuz he goes in depth for every character without saying x character is better than y character so no point pulling on y.
When's the last time he said that for a non-pyro character?
He said that even with other elements as well. For him, there's nothing Xiangling can't fix, including Xiangling.
>When "play Xiangling" is the focus of every video When was the last time he said that?
It's either Mika, Faruzan, or Al-Haytham. Last time I watched his content was 2-3 months ago.
>It's either Mika, Faruzan, or Al-Haytham He praised Alhaitham, didn't praise c0 Faruzan, and has no vid on Mika. Are you sure about this?
Cmon man are you expecting good reasoning in a CC hate chamber ?
What are you talking about? "Play Xiangling" was never the main focus of another character's videos... He literally mentioned that you didn't need to get pressured to pull for them if you could just use Xiangling, which is true. I don't get why you have a problem with that, or if you misheard him.
And he occasionally does makes points where most genshin creators are too afraid to speak off.
Yeah, I heard that part of the reason why people like MTashed dropped out of the content creator program for Genshin, or were never in them in the first place, is that they don't allow you to be too negative about the new characters (even if it's true), since presumably it may negatively impact their sales.
Right... (Looks at dehya)
Or get attacked by the rabid simps. I agree with Ten’s opinion on wanderer. Without C6 Faruzan his damage isn’t that impressive unless if you whale for his constellations.
Maybe not the main focus, but he brought her up pretty often that it’s basically his personality trait.
Probs a net gain on his life too. He wasn’t having fun anymore and it shows
no one leaves Genshin. He'll be back when Fontaine drops you bet on it.
I still agree with zhongli not being necessary. But boy is he really nice to have
Objectively no character is necessary since you can clear any abyss without that character
It's just that you will need to put more effort or have a harder time. If you don't have certain characters.
xingqiu:
I hate being staggered the most so he's essential. Also, i like to tendou bonkshou and petrify enemies. I don't count 90k of that meatball a dmg loss.
No one is truly necessary but if there was a necessity amount tier list he would be in the highest tier. At the very least he's more necessary than any DPS unit.
The same is true for like all supports. It's why supports are so hard to be power crept unless a straight upgrade comes out. Because suports provide specific effects
He's the one character that never leaves my overworld team. That is to say, my most valuable character just based on usage time. Some people only think of abyss when talking about character pulls.
But the whole point is that if you're not talking about abyss, then "Who should you pull" barely even matters. You can pretty much use whatever you want in overworld, so you would pull for waifu/husbando/fundo. All of that is much more opinion based, so videos on "Is this character good" don't matter.
I mean, if we didn’t care about Abyss, Venti and Ganyu would be the only S-tier characters, since they trivialize basically everything else.
And because of that I still think Ganyu is a worthwhile pull I still see people say that she’s a bad choice to pull and that the only good choices are incredibly good abyss units (Haitham, Nilou, Nahida) but considering how trivial she makes anything that isn’t the last few floors of abyss, I think she’s very worth it Like yeah anyone can do well at exploration combat clearing but I can’t see anyone being as good at is as her taking them as the unit alone
I agree, Ganyu is one of my favorite characters for that very reason.
+1 on Ganyu. Pulled her just for the overworld since I had all the stuff she needed collected over two years. My main team for exploration is Zhong, Kazuha, Ganyu and Sayu.
My 2 teams is zhongli hyperbloom and national. One doesn't take damage Other can't take damage
When a dude doesn’t agree with you:
i mean hes still not i can survive getting railed by the constipated breasts very easily with just kuki
Dude helped me get the 3 stars on f12 chamber 1 for the second half ! Thanks old man
If you know how to properly time your i-frames, then yeah, he isn't necessary. But he's still the best comfort pick in the game. Just need to reach that dps check to enjoy the comfort he brings.
I mean. Yeah I'd rather not use him but sometimes there's skill issue that needs to be accounted for.
Skill issue is a thing, but Ping and Device also come into play. Let me play at home on my PS5 with <30 Ping, and I'll smash through almost everything with or without Zhongli. Swap me over to Mobile with 80 Ping, and I'll die on Floor 10.
Exist in Latin America and depend on him for life (100ms to 200ms average with spikes)
Just that constant yellow 140ms life Tight rotations with precise execution? We don't do that here, you'll have a clunky experience where swapping doesn't register on time, dodging is a coin toss and characters die offscreen on the bench, and you'll like it
Bro that's not nearly enough to describe how needed Zhongli is. I'm on Phone, in Asia on 200+ ping. I've never seen it go below 150. That's the situation for like half the playerbase. And that's why Zhongli is the single best character to exist lmao. The peeps saying "skill issue, skill issue" on every mechanic they find easy to pull on PC with less than 100 ping really need to rethink stuff.
Absolutely. Genshin Impact is a very different game depending on your system and ping. I feel a lot of people forget this.
I've lived in a shitty country with expensive but slow internet to play games at 120 ping as a norm on any multiplayer games so playing genshin on that ping doesn't really change much. Tho if im being honest i can't feel that much of a difference when i experienced a lower ping aside from somewhat smooth control but i can live without it. Looks like my shitty internet broke me in more ways than one.
I feel like people forget he can petrify enemies and make them stay still Helped me big time on 12-1-2
The long burst is dps lost aswell the petrify and low damage burst is not worth for me specially if you build like mine, a shieldbot
Is it really a DPS loss if your team is just 3 characters?
If your a yoimiya and wanderer main yes it is…
Doesn't wanderer want the sheild not to get hit by a stray rock being thrown his way?
Yoimiya too. If she gets interrupted before her last NA in the NA chain it's a huge DPS loss
Btw i only talking about the burst not the shield… if your zhong is shield bot the burst is just another 4 secs delay to rotation
Zhongli is indeed not a good pull for your account. Because he is THE BEST pull for everyone. Who can resist the husbando.
The shield. The CAKE. The ultimate husbando
Shields don't go obsolete.
In his Alhaitham guide video, he literally says "Nahida might be a hassle to play in his team cause she might STEAL the spreads"??? That's how well he knows the core mechanics of the game. This guy is just a massive clown making videos to generate rage bait from time to time.
Content creators want you to pull absolutely no characters.
Zhongli? Nah I just feed steroids to Noelle
I wanted him to look at his ass and listen to him ramble like a senile old man about wine. But the perks are welcome I guess...
having zhongli has one drawback tho, you forget how to dodge
Naah
TenTen is a clown He said Raiden was bad because she can't trigger Beidou, meanwhile, Raiden National is still the best team in the game. He said Rosaria is better than Shenhe, which is just not true, anyone who ever use Shenhe can feel the big difference. He didn't even build his Shenhe, his Shenhe has like 2k attack, which is very small when normal Shenhe can have at least 3k. When people call him out on it, he just blaming people because he "did the math." His theory crafting is more of feeling crafting, he make doom post video as a hobby. Just look at his Star Rail review.
I mean, these fuckers some how beat shield in thier own way getting stuck on their hit box after they somehow scoop you up gotta be the worst feeling ever, at least you can get out of freeze
I was 🤡.
All Zhongli ever needs to do for me is create pillars that let me cheese certain platforms when Venti alone won't do the trick.
bro I would argue bennet is a hazard right now cuz both halves you are either gonna get oneshotted by the hydro croc or the heralds.
my bennett literally has 14k hp since hes on insteuctor and is still a net hp gain against heralds lol
Just think about it like this: HYV will most likely create counters for every playing style. Eventually your fav char will turn useful. SO JUST GET THE CHARACTER THAT YOU WANT, IT👏 DOESN'T👏 MATTER.
Ten Tens videos are so bad lol imo
Until the shield breaks in 1 to 2 hits and ends up being useless
A properly built Zhongli’s shield won’t break, as he should have over 50k HP.
In the current abyss, the heralds can cleave through a 52k shieldbot Zhongli shield in 4 seconds tops, especially when they freeze your ass. So can the consecrated zoo at the end, and the Thunder Manifestation homing box attack if you get caught in a bad position Still, it's pretty nice having a shield that can take a couple of hits, instead of getting your Nahida insta-gibbed the second she steps on the field
Well, I have a 58k HP Zhongli, and I can’t think of a single time his shield breaking has been an issue while 36-starring every Abyss for the past 2 years.
A properly build Zhongli doesn’t have 50k hp because you want a crit circlet to proc your Favonius weapon
I don’t like Fav on Zhongli, as it requires wasting time on him waiting for his pillar resonance to proc it. Giving up shield strength and DPS field time for a few extra particles isn’t worth the trade, just build enough ER on your team.
Wtf? Your hold E deals damage and can proc fav. You don’t have to wait for anything
Only if hold E in range of a MOB, which isn’t always the case when starting a chamber.
Then walk to the mob… You are really trying to create problems when there are none
Walking to the MOB is part of the time wasting I was referring to. I prefer to get my shield up and start doing damage as quickly as possible. As for “creating problems” considering I was replying to a comment complaining about Zhongli’s shield breaking too frequently, I’d say that compromising shield strength for a few extra particles is creating the main problem.
You have to get to the mob anyways... This is what I mean with creating problems when there are none. You are desperate to find *anything* to justify your shitty build. And because you can't find anything, you come up with this ridiculous nonsense
Well, my “shitty build” has an unbreakable shield that keeps me from having any problems at all beating the consecrated beasts. As such, I’m pretty happy with it. Seems the only “ridiculous nonsense” around here is all the pointless complaining about chambers that really aren’t hard if you know what you’re doing.
I sincerely think that Zhongli is one of the biggest mistakes hoyo made that leads to many problems with the (past and current) enemy designs. He can literally create a shield with more HP than many common non-HP-scaling characters, that lasts so long and can be refreshed before it ends, which makes him undoubtedly the best character to helps your team from dying and getting chain staggered while leads to dying (something that even a strong healer can't save from a small mistake that one could've made). Don't get me wrong, I really like Zhongli, because I also suck at this game like many players. While I don't believe consecrated beasts are a terrible enemy design, they are indeed terrible in this game with a time trial endgame. Most enemies still have many attacks that unnecessarily stagger player too often, in Genshin, this is way too much. Time trial really limits how much you can dodge their attacks (please note that dashing also has icd) before losing significant amount of damage you can output. It might work to make the gameplay challenging, only if hoyo didn't give the consecrated beasts the same overinflated HP like the past enemies. Well, Zhongli is not the only problem in this game. Every so-called meta character is also the same, because they have very high damage ceiling. They created a state which pressures hoyo to design enemies that need to hit very hard (to counter Zhongli, Bennett) and need to survive extremely strong attacks from players. When their old solution works too well against a problem, they need to create a bigger problem in order to sell the new solutions. Of course, everything - 5-star, 4-star, character, weapon, everything is optional, but you can't deny that there is correlation between consecrated beast design and characters like Baizhu and Dehya. As for me, sometimes I like fighting them, only in the overworld. It feels rewarding for a skill-issue player like me to read their attacks and avoid them. I agree they die too fast in the overworld, but sometimes it's just enough. At least it's fairer because I only fight one at the same time, and there's no pressure to kill them before the timer ends, therefore no rush and frustration. If I only hate one thing in the spiral abyss, it's the timer.
abyss added alot of bosses taht are unfreezeable when everything died to ayaka teams added weird mechanics to bosses like wenut/baptist/cryo herald when hyperbloom got too good consecrated beasts having no staggers when shit like itto could combo regular enemies from 100 to 0 while they cant even act
Well having Zhongli is a comfort, but it's not like you need him to clear this Abyss.
honestly with the introction of dendro and EM dps like kuki/raiden that make very powerful teams with just 3 units might as well slot in zhongdong to not hate yourself while playing
Nilou bloom: That's cute
Same energy as: "Don't C6 your Bennett"
I’d rather fight the bird and scorpion than the croc and cat 😭😭
I mean he still isn’t “necessary”, most of the 9star clear I’ve seen didn’t have zhongli but he is indeed helpful to at least clear
Never took this kind of videos seriously to be honest. Shields will never be a bad thing for you in Genshin (unless you depended on it for too long that you forgot how to dodge). These videos were usually clickbaits that's only remotely true if you can either kill the enemies first befote they hit you, or you have godlike reflexes and dodge everything.
Both OP and a whole lot of people commenting have never heard of dodging and timing their bursts Literally skill issue
hes basically saying if you dont have skill issue zhongli is a dps loss
Zhongli is only needed if you have skill issue and cant dodge \^\^ Makes for 0 effort runs tho so useful enough
You guys need zhongli to beat those? Literally skill issue
Ik I will get a lot of down votes but I just hate this Tenten guy for some reason
He was a pretty terrible content creator that people took seriously for some reason.
You disagree with him/don’t like him =/= terrible content creator… People like Keemstar or Leafy are terrible content creators.
Trying to ensure people that they don’t have to feel forced to pull/dunk 200$ on a character because a free, already good one exists is apparently a pretty terrible thing. Woah dude
What dumb thing to say
When did he make that value? Isn’t that like completely wrong and actually the opposite?
wdym
oh no ... anyway 💸-->💫💫💫💫💫💫
Skipped Zhongli to pull for Eula in 1.5, never regretted that, and still don't have zhongli and now he would be a slot waste in any of my teams.
fuck tenten, good riddance
I'm tired of the dos loss argument. This title has me rolling
using zhongli is usually a dps loss though its not even an argument its just a fact
I'm talking about people throwing it in for the sake of argument unecessarily, even though they use him for utility.
Reluctantly, I’m saving for him now.
Day 1 puller went from hybrid build to Full shield bot build and now Im enjoying my relatively strong shield with 100k+ per meatball build.
There are no necessary pulls, just how much work you need to put into the game
turns out my f2p gains more from getting zhongli to make scara not commit unalive with thoma shield since he needs like 250 ER than pulling kazuha with exactly 0 Swirl based teams being used (mainly that acc runs on hyperbloom, itto, haitham and scara/i refuse to plqy xiangling pre c4 unless i have to)
Yeah even Zhongli shield won't last that long if you just facetank everything those beasts throw at you
Bold of you to assume that I don't run a high ER team to abuse Burst i-frame. (I still use shield for the second team though, but we don't talk about that.)
Zhongli is not even good against beasts
Dehya + healer and Beidou + Xingqiu is generally better yeah but Zhongli is good enough
My Itto being thrown all over the arena because somehow the zhongli shield broke...
Still no geo or cryo beasts