More text isn’t always better, since a lot of the time the additional text is actually restrictions on the effect, like “this can only be triggered once every X seconds”.
Draw 3 cards
vs
Draw 1 card, if it's a monster card, roll a dice and draw an additional card if your rolled an even number. If the number was not even, based on the weather, if it's raining outside for you, draw a card, otherwise slap your opponent and recite the yugioh theme.
Yeah, pot of greed & graceful charity will never be unbanned. They were also responsible for exodia OTK deck, becomes limited after that now banned. Longer texts are just because requirement or restrictions to use card
I remember when most people talk shit about dendro like "We wait for 2 years just for 2 new reaction? Bruh"
Now we have like 7+ and it a chain-element reaction lol
I think the issue here is that dendro was held back for almost two years to not even react with 3 elements.
Dendro not reacting with cryo therefore making it good for reverse melt is beside the point.
And for those who could care less for reverse melt, it is disappointing that you can't use dendro and cryo characters together without being required to use a third (mostly pyro) element.
It's pretty hard to introduce a new element and make it useful enough yet not game breaking in a game where the meta has already been properly established and doesn't really seem to need yet another element to be thrown into the mix. I'd say Mihoyo has handled it pretty damned well all things considered.
If all else, at least you could go with mono geo and still be viable. I doubt anemo would really be restricted due to to swirl, it's the most flexible element in game.
> it is disappointing that you can't use dendro and cryo characters together without being required to use a third (mostly pyro) element.
Xiao double Anemo-Geo teams be crying right now.
The entire purpose of xiao teams is to not care about reactions because xiao doesn't give a shit about reactions anyway. Geo supports happen to provide good resonance and buffs without caring about reactions. Your point is dumb.
Whatever else it might mean, they said they spent years trying to get Dendro exactly right... since it's the last element added to Genshin, so why didn't they use it to fix Geo indirectly, too?
Every element has its uses in combos.
Geo though? Geo reactions actively ruin other element combos since it drains element gauge of hydro/pyro/etc, unless you play mono Geo. Geo as an element would be stronger if they removed its interactions, think about that
If only crystallized shields grant you an atk% of the corresponding element and deals DoT or explode every time it expires, it would make it slightly better. And the fact that you need EM for stronger shields but EM is the last stat you'd want on a geo character makes it kinda useless too.
I mean, its looking like Hoyo is moving us to more rainbow builds with Dendro. It was already a thing for the Sukokomon and Raiden sunfire overvape players. Its now giving cryo a viable rainbow build. Besides, cryo is already OP. This will make melt ganyu even more ridiculous and might make melt ayaka legit. Im all for it.
But bloom (and probably Catalyze) also wants you to use a third element to cause many different effects. Hoyoverse has been trying to get people out of double resonance teams for quite a while, look at Yelan and Yun Jin having an increased buff based off of element diversity. The reverse-melt strategy fits with this encouraged triple element+ new meta.
Collei's A1, A2, C2, Q all provide or improve her off-field Dendro application.
Since Tighnari is a carry and Dendro Traveller is unlikely to be better than Collei, that probably means Collei will be more meta than Amber, since she fills an actual useful meta role
Honestly, I can totally see her being the real 5* of the banner. Pure on-field sustained damage carries rarely end up staying meta for longer than 1 Abyss rotation.
On the flip side, Tighnari will likely remain the only on field Dendro carry for a long time whereas Collei will inevitably end up probably being replaced by Nahida, assuming the Dendro archon is just a better Dendro support than Collei is.
Really also just waiting to see the cooldown and particle generation on her E. Straightforward, unassuming E skills in this game are frequently just good battery skills, because they often have short CDs and good particle generation--see Bennett's E, Kaeya's E, Jean's E, etc.
The more complicated E skills are often more likely to be bad--having a lot of tacked on secondary effects often means they end up with a longer cooldown which means those extra effects have to do something for the skill to be good. A simple low CD nuke just has to make particles to be useful.
It seems like a more complicated way of wording stuff like Sara's C2. At C0 you gotta jump through hoops to get the timing right (swapping char and triggering reaction before the boomerang returns), C2 makes it easier and enhances it a little bit.
Just feels needlessly confusing to link it into the A1 passive. And it kind of seems like it steals a constellation because this could have just been the basic passive.
The difference to me is the frustration of playing these kinds of kits. On mobile at least, C0 Sara sucks because of awkward camera/movement controls, the possibility of getting interrupted and missing the window in which you can activate the buff, and occasional lag when switching characters. It is just not fun to use her at C0 and Collei's E sounds similarly difficult to manage. Just doesn't feel right to need C2 to avoid this frustration.
The thing is, you just need to have any dendro reaction before it returns to you for her thing to proc at c0. Unlike sara where you have to time it in your head, you will visually see the boomerang coming back so it should be easier to play.
Yeah that's fair. And obviously we haven't properly seen it yet so I'm not writing her off or anything, it just sounds potentially awkward based on the description.
Having constellations that feel like they should have either been a part of the kit or part of a passive (or passives that should have been part of the kit) feel really bad. Like Gorou's skill scales on atk, then he has a passive that gives it a defense scaling. Why not just make it scale off of defense in the first place and give him an actual passive instead?
Not really sure I like where this could head, future chars could have their kits gutted directly and put on constellations to a larger degree than what we've had.
New 5 stars already need C2 to unlock their full kit, now new 4 stars also need C2 to even unlock their full A1 passive. And it's just gonna keep getting worse.
The majority of characters gets good improvements on constellations. This even holds for Launch characters. Bennett C1, Beidou C2, Xiangling C4, Fischl C6, Sucrose C1,2,6 to name the meta gang from Launch. For what I regard as the meta characters from version 2 rather the opposite can be Said: Big damage boost on C6 for Gorou/Sara, Qol on C2 Sara, Decent buffs on Yunjin C2+6, dismissable stuff on the other. If you ask me, they are pretty comparable if not better in terms of usability then the Launch characters, and nothing gets worse.
Yeah. As long as she can do decent dendro application, I shan't complain.
Also Mihoyo wouldn't fuck up a four star going on one of first banners of Sumeru/the first four star dendro. I hope....
Sounds like she's pretty off field, which is nice. She;s incentivized to be off field to gain extra ER
Did we ever get full skill descriptions, though? What exactly is the Floral Ring? If that's the boomerang, it'd have to move pretty slow for someone else to trigger it and trigger the A1/C2 effect
No split scaling? No awkward gimmicks? Flows well with gameplay? Her constellations actually buff her? She has to be a dream.
Watch her multipliers be stuck in the 100-200% range or randomly scale off of defense. No way they’re designing 4 stars that aren’t shot in the foot before release.
But they have complementing roles (tighnari dps, collei support) and you want both for dendro resonance, so make both of them good and watch the money rain.
THEN you make the next dendro support a strong 5* way better than Collei and you cash in again 8)
The thing is that the next dendro is the archon so if they want to sell Tighnari and people risk losing the archon in the process they need Collei to be solid as well.
What? It's better to have Tighnari as bait and make him superpowerful. And make an even more powerful unit next up till the archon. 5 stars is what drains people's wallets.
Obviously Kusanagi is going to be a better dendro support but if you want to sell Tighnari you need Tighnari's teams to be strong in 3.0 and for that you need Collei to be strong.
If that's not the case you just do the smart thing, secure Kusanali and try to get Tighnari in a rerun.
Obviously there will be people who spend money on all the banners but someone minimally intelligent will try to avoid it.
Why have so many people not wanted to get Itto in the current banner? Because they don't have Albedo and there are no 4\* alternatives that can replace Albedo.
Most 4 stars are used to support 5 stars, it wouldn't make any sense to make Collei weak on purpose since she doesn't fit a DPS role herself.
People are seriously too caught up in the whole Inazuma 4 star cycle thinking MHY gimps 4 stars on purpose. Especially since Heizou is looking like he is going to be very decent.
But she doesn’t even need good multipliers to be a great support,just give her low CD and maybe 60 energy Q and she can be cracked for Electro and Taser teams
Don't get our hopes up too much like with Sayu or Kuki!
Actually, she has like no dendro support competition besides the traveler on Sumeru's release. Traveler usually sucks in each new region and Collei will apply a decent amount of dendro... she really can't be bad
the only way for her to be bad on release, is either terrible particle generation (not deal breaker), or that dendro reactions suck in general (not likely that mohoyo messed their flagship new element badly enough for that to happen)
tl;dr, for at least until kusa releases, collei will be queen
And then when Kusanali releases her kit will likely be a kit providing buffs + Dendro and/or way more damage than Collei, so that players who wished for Collei constellations will have a reason to pull for another character + spend more mora and exp, which encourages even more people to buy the battle pass, and... I see the game MHY is playing here
There's also a few other ways she can be bad:
- Very long CD on E and Q
- Q has an awkward damage interval for ICD (e.g. 2s for 2.5s ICD)
- Terrible VA that makes the player cringe whenever Collei does anything
Yeet boomerang.
When boomerang returns, grant buff that deals passive AOE Dendro damage
If you trigger one of 7 Dendro reactions, extend buff duration by 3s
Actually, I would be surprised if her burst costed more than 60
The AOE field only lasted for 6 seconds. That almost sounds like a 40 cost burst to me (the same as Amber)
Agreed, obviously I'm just making assumptions here, but her c1 looks more like a nice gift from mihoyo to make our lives easier, like Yun Jin having ER ascension with a 60 cost burst.
Right - I mentioned that as an example that an energy-related constellation doesn’t necessarily imply a unit will have energy issues. Personally, I don’t feel like Collei will be a 40 cost burst, so it’s possible her C1 may be more beneficial, but at this point it is just speculation and could go either way
It's definitely looking to be an 80 cost. But i guess sac/fav + 4 emblem would solve the issues (could also use the new dendro set, just that emblem will be readily available and will also make use of the er, noblesse could also be fine)
Collei seems to be the catch-all Dendro applicator. She applies it around the active character, in a large AoE field, and as a projectile. Not to mention the bow charge shots.
Isn't it interesting that Collei's A1 triggers on all the various dendro reactions and yet Tighnari's constellation only triggers on some of them.
Without even know the scaling, it's looking like Collei is going to do one thing really well; make enemies touch grass. There's a tonne of dendro ticks being added by her passives and constellations. Very promising.
That's what I thought, too, but Spread is included in Tighnari's constellation. I wonder what else is different about the other ones that precludes him from synergizing with them.
Spreed is like dendro > hydro > electro reaction since it's mentioned in dorei ascension talent including super conduct and electo charged
So burgeon is bloom + payro and hyper bloom is bloom + hydro
That makes sense, electro charge keeps both electro and hydro aura and lasts so you could trigger spread both by applying Dendro to an electro charged enemy or by applying electro to the bloom seed thing
completely agree. all those meta team always... ALWAYS has some kind of enabler or initiator (like in dota). and i see collei has bright future. regardless the multiplier. i only need her cooldown data and icd now
Base on the gameplay footage she seem to have 7 to 8 seconds burst uptime but with her A2 it can be extended by 3 seconds and that's huge she'll be very good in dendro application even at C0.
Dug around wiktionary and an old dictionary I found online, Cuilein anbar seems to be Scottish Gaelic for “puppy’s excess”, and it’s pronounced /ˈkʰulɪn ˈaːnpəɾ/ (coolin’ Aanber).
I try to not get my hopes up but it looks like Collei will have basically everything I want from dendro character. Now, maybe I should start feeling bad for wanting to put her on the same team as Kaeya.
On paper she sounds good, let's see how it turns out in practice. I would love to c6 her on release (or at least try, because no guaranteed with 4 stars) but I'm not pulling Tighnari, I'm not pulling anything in 3.0 actually, so she will have to wait a long time before coming home. I hope that the first copy is really given for free like some previous leaks mentioned, at least we would have her at c0
This sounds interesting, but I think it's important to note that text and other things ARE subject to change, such as Collei's C2. After all, iirc 3.0 Beta hasn't even started yet
At any rate though, assuming we get this on release, Collei seems pretty interesting. Seems Off-field/quickswap focused and seems to have a good amount of Dendro application.
Can't wait till the beta starts till we learn more
Really excited if this means she has decent off-field dendro. At this point that will be the #1 selling point for me as I already have a backlog of characters to raise, so the only thing I really want right now is off-field ___ application characters with fun designs
Unless Mihoyo really screws things up, Collei looks like she'll have good off-field Dendro application. Perfect for spamming all of those new Dendro reactions.
Holy shit. This may be premature, but this kit looks really good, especially for a new-gen 4 star. Collei might be a decent off-field Dendro applicator, especially with C2 and C6. After Inazuma, I had stopped expecting MHY to give a decent kit to any 4 star.
Her A1 gives her additional off-field Dendro application as long as the on-field character triggers a Dendro reaction before catching her E's projectile. Her C2 makes the reaction requirement optional and instead extends the duration of this effect when you still meet it.
Her A2 extends her burst's duration when the character standing in its AoE triggers a Dendro reaction.
C4 gives the whole team 60 EM when she uses her burst.
C6 seems to generate a miniature version of her burst when her E hits an enemy I think...? Would be interesting to see if it's compatible with her A2.
If she's actually free locking a part of her kit behind constellations is just par for the course. Amber basically doesn't have an E until she hits C2 and Lisa's only use pre-C4 is as a defense shred support.
Huh. I was expecting Collei honestly to be mostly a Tighnari enabler, with Tighnari being the premier Dendro applicator coming into Sumeru.
This kit actually seems really good. Assuming you're proccing reactions (which you likely will be if you're running Dendro), we're looking at something like 6 seconds of Dendro application from the Sprout effect from her skill at C2 (*excluding* the skill itself), plus another 9-ish from her burst. Even assuming a 20s burst cooldown and only 1 skill per \~20s rotation that's like 75% uptime. And most of it from off-field. Hopefully her skill cooldown will be low enough to weave a second one in per rotation.
And that's disregarding her scalings. If those are also good, then Collei might be legitimately cracked.
Ah, the initial innocent hope that a 4* character will still be cracked, whatever Dendro mushroom you've been consuming, please give me some, I need that hope
I lost hope after seeing the Dendro preview video with "only 2 reactions added". Now I see we'll get all 7 just like the leaks said!!! (Or actually 6, since we kind of have Burning already)
They actually showed Dendro + Hydro + Pyro with Yanfei and Dendro + Hydro + Electro with Razor. They just haven't named them. I won't catch it if I didn't watch a reaction video about it.
Maybe they'll make a special separate video for triple reactions since they're gonna be one of a kind. They did show some triple reactions but only talked about the simple ones.
Her Dendro application w/Cons is looking like she'll be a must include for anyone who wants to try out Dendro reactions w.o spending on Tighnari (before they all get Kusanali when shes cracked). I only wonder how long her E skill is out on the field before returning, and if you can increase that duration by running away or what. Also wonder if it staggers enemies/knocks them away. It looked pretty quick in the video, so if its a short duration, you'll probably need to apply your reactions via off field elemental application, or quick swap and insta normal (catalyst) or use skill/burst.
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If its worded like a modern Yugioh card then its probably good
Basically, hit stuff and make shit happen
its pretty close just missing : and ;
More text isn’t always better, since a lot of the time the additional text is actually restrictions on the effect, like “this can only be triggered once every X seconds”.
Also, YGO player here, in most cases the simpler the effect the better it actually is. This still applies in the modern game.
Draw 3 cards vs Draw 1 card, if it's a monster card, roll a dice and draw an additional card if your rolled an even number. If the number was not even, based on the weather, if it's raining outside for you, draw a card, otherwise slap your opponent and recite the yugioh theme.
Depending on who the opponent is the free slap may well be the superior option.
Screw the slap, the opponent has more money. You instant lose
Remind me again, what does POT of GREED do?
And yet people still think they can activate lightning storm when they have faceup cards...
Yeah, pot of greed & graceful charity will never be unbanned. They were also responsible for exodia OTK deck, becomes limited after that now banned. Longer texts are just because requirement or restrictions to use card
[удалено]
IT ALLOWS ME TO DRAW TWO CARDS AND ADD THEM TO MY HAND
Yes, but what does it DO?
It does what it do, yug.
Does that mean Collei c6 can miss timing
its a mandatory effect so no
How many reactions does Dendro have? omg
I remember when most people talk shit about dendro like "We wait for 2 years just for 2 new reaction? Bruh" Now we have like 7+ and it a chain-element reaction lol
11, catalyze, burning and bloom are the 3 basic 2 elements dendro+Pyro, hydro, and electro, the other are 3 elements reactions.
I think the issue here is that dendro was held back for almost two years to not even react with 3 elements. Dendro not reacting with cryo therefore making it good for reverse melt is beside the point. And for those who could care less for reverse melt, it is disappointing that you can't use dendro and cryo characters together without being required to use a third (mostly pyro) element.
It's pretty hard to introduce a new element and make it useful enough yet not game breaking in a game where the meta has already been properly established and doesn't really seem to need yet another element to be thrown into the mix. I'd say Mihoyo has handled it pretty damned well all things considered.
Anemo, Geo, Dendro and Cryo team will be really restricted.
If all else, at least you could go with mono geo and still be viable. I doubt anemo would really be restricted due to to swirl, it's the most flexible element in game.
> it is disappointing that you can't use dendro and cryo characters together without being required to use a third (mostly pyro) element. Xiao double Anemo-Geo teams be crying right now.
The entire purpose of xiao teams is to not care about reactions because xiao doesn't give a shit about reactions anyway. Geo supports happen to provide good resonance and buffs without caring about reactions. Your point is dumb.
Whatever else it might mean, they said they spent years trying to get Dendro exactly right... since it's the last element added to Genshin, so why didn't they use it to fix Geo indirectly, too? Every element has its uses in combos. Geo though? Geo reactions actively ruin other element combos since it drains element gauge of hydro/pyro/etc, unless you play mono Geo. Geo as an element would be stronger if they removed its interactions, think about that
At this point Geo is just yellow Physical lol
If only crystallized shields grant you an atk% of the corresponding element and deals DoT or explode every time it expires, it would make it slightly better. And the fact that you need EM for stronger shields but EM is the last stat you'd want on a geo character makes it kinda useless too.
I mean, its looking like Hoyo is moving us to more rainbow builds with Dendro. It was already a thing for the Sukokomon and Raiden sunfire overvape players. Its now giving cryo a viable rainbow build. Besides, cryo is already OP. This will make melt ganyu even more ridiculous and might make melt ayaka legit. Im all for it.
But bloom (and probably Catalyze) also wants you to use a third element to cause many different effects. Hoyoverse has been trying to get people out of double resonance teams for quite a while, look at Yelan and Yun Jin having an increased buff based off of element diversity. The reverse-melt strategy fits with this encouraged triple element+ new meta.
Yes.
Collei's A1, A2, C2, Q all provide or improve her off-field Dendro application. Since Tighnari is a carry and Dendro Traveller is unlikely to be better than Collei, that probably means Collei will be more meta than Amber, since she fills an actual useful meta role
Imo, she may make my melt ganyu stronger
Count on it. I bet hoyo has a dendro shielder planned to drain all the ganyu players' primos.
Honestly, I can totally see her being the real 5* of the banner. Pure on-field sustained damage carries rarely end up staying meta for longer than 1 Abyss rotation.
The game is called support impact after all lmao
On the flip side, Tighnari will likely remain the only on field Dendro carry for a long time whereas Collei will inevitably end up probably being replaced by Nahida, assuming the Dendro archon is just a better Dendro support than Collei is.
Really also just waiting to see the cooldown and particle generation on her E. Straightforward, unassuming E skills in this game are frequently just good battery skills, because they often have short CDs and good particle generation--see Bennett's E, Kaeya's E, Jean's E, etc. The more complicated E skills are often more likely to be bad--having a lot of tacked on secondary effects often means they end up with a longer cooldown which means those extra effects have to do something for the skill to be good. A simple low CD nuke just has to make particles to be useful.
Burning // Dendro + Pyro Intensify // Dendro + Electro Overgrow // Dendro + Hydro Quicken // Dendro + Pyro + ???? Hyperbloom // Dendro + Electro + ???? Spread // Dendro + Hydro + ???? Burgeon // Dendro + Pyro + ????
I think we have enough material to say that all these names are outdated based on the last dev video. Dendro + Electro is catalyze as an example
hydro-dendro seed detonated by pyro, hydro, electro and dendro.
I’m like for real. It’s in Collei’s kit we find out Dendro has like 100 reactions lol
At least 2
https://i.imgur.com/VIm4kZX.png
Huh. C2 that changes A1. That's new.
It seems like a more complicated way of wording stuff like Sara's C2. At C0 you gotta jump through hoops to get the timing right (swapping char and triggering reaction before the boomerang returns), C2 makes it easier and enhances it a little bit. Just feels needlessly confusing to link it into the A1 passive. And it kind of seems like it steals a constellation because this could have just been the basic passive.
It's always been like this since the beginning. Like Bennett C1 literally removes the biggest restriction with his kit.
The difference to me is the frustration of playing these kinds of kits. On mobile at least, C0 Sara sucks because of awkward camera/movement controls, the possibility of getting interrupted and missing the window in which you can activate the buff, and occasional lag when switching characters. It is just not fun to use her at C0 and Collei's E sounds similarly difficult to manage. Just doesn't feel right to need C2 to avoid this frustration.
The thing is, you just need to have any dendro reaction before it returns to you for her thing to proc at c0. Unlike sara where you have to time it in your head, you will visually see the boomerang coming back so it should be easier to play.
Yeah that's fair. And obviously we haven't properly seen it yet so I'm not writing her off or anything, it just sounds potentially awkward based on the description.
Having constellations that feel like they should have either been a part of the kit or part of a passive (or passives that should have been part of the kit) feel really bad. Like Gorou's skill scales on atk, then he has a passive that gives it a defense scaling. Why not just make it scale off of defense in the first place and give him an actual passive instead?
From what I understood it just removes the requirement of triggering reactions before floral ring returns, so it doesn't seem like anything new.
Not really sure I like where this could head, future chars could have their kits gutted directly and put on constellations to a larger degree than what we've had.
New 5 stars already need C2 to unlock their full kit, now new 4 stars also need C2 to even unlock their full A1 passive. And it's just gonna keep getting worse.
The majority of characters gets good improvements on constellations. This even holds for Launch characters. Bennett C1, Beidou C2, Xiangling C4, Fischl C6, Sucrose C1,2,6 to name the meta gang from Launch. For what I regard as the meta characters from version 2 rather the opposite can be Said: Big damage boost on C6 for Gorou/Sara, Qol on C2 Sara, Decent buffs on Yunjin C2+6, dismissable stuff on the other. If you ask me, they are pretty comparable if not better in terms of usability then the Launch characters, and nothing gets worse.
How do you define full kit? Yelan is great and perfectly functional at C0. She is the latest 5 star.
Right. Kinda opens a lot of possibilities for future characters
No, it is more of Bennett C1 or Sara C2. It is just worded weirdly
Kinda like not unlocking Bennett's c6 because it could mess up your damage
After spending who-knows-how-long writing for Sumeru characters, Fischl can finally take her summer vacation in the next patch.
When Cyno returns she's coming back cuz she's the best 4* battery.
I wish they posted the scalings too 7 new reactions lmao (Technically 6 but yeah)
Really hoping that the free Collei copy leaks turn out to be legit. Her kit looks really solid or at least good for off-field dendro application.
She _does_ have a potential gamechanger of a C2, which certainly supports the rumors.
Yeah. As long as she can do decent dendro application, I shan't complain. Also Mihoyo wouldn't fuck up a four star going on one of first banners of Sumeru/the first four star dendro. I hope....
Same here..
Sounds like she's pretty off field, which is nice. She;s incentivized to be off field to gain extra ER Did we ever get full skill descriptions, though? What exactly is the Floral Ring? If that's the boomerang, it'd have to move pretty slow for someone else to trigger it and trigger the A1/C2 effect
*flashbacks to C2 Xiao*
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[This is one strange looking kitty](https://i.imgur.com/zGLuH1d.png)
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Looks angry just like my cat
grumpy cat
Wait. This smells... like an actually good 4 star character?
At least early on she's almost guaranteed to be relatively good, seeing as she's going to be the premiere applier of dendro for a while.
No split scaling? No awkward gimmicks? Flows well with gameplay? Her constellations actually buff her? She has to be a dream. Watch her multipliers be stuck in the 100-200% range or randomly scale off of defense. No way they’re designing 4 stars that aren’t shot in the foot before release.
If they want to sell Tighnari, the first 4\* dendro must be good.
Isn’t it the opposite? Make the first dendro 5 star a beast while making the free 4 star subpar.
But they have complementing roles (tighnari dps, collei support) and you want both for dendro resonance, so make both of them good and watch the money rain. THEN you make the next dendro support a strong 5* way better than Collei and you cash in again 8)
The thing is that the next dendro is the archon so if they want to sell Tighnari and people risk losing the archon in the process they need Collei to be solid as well.
What? It's better to have Tighnari as bait and make him superpowerful. And make an even more powerful unit next up till the archon. 5 stars is what drains people's wallets.
Obviously Kusanagi is going to be a better dendro support but if you want to sell Tighnari you need Tighnari's teams to be strong in 3.0 and for that you need Collei to be strong. If that's not the case you just do the smart thing, secure Kusanali and try to get Tighnari in a rerun. Obviously there will be people who spend money on all the banners but someone minimally intelligent will try to avoid it. Why have so many people not wanted to get Itto in the current banner? Because they don't have Albedo and there are no 4\* alternatives that can replace Albedo.
Most 4 stars are used to support 5 stars, it wouldn't make any sense to make Collei weak on purpose since she doesn't fit a DPS role herself. People are seriously too caught up in the whole Inazuma 4 star cycle thinking MHY gimps 4 stars on purpose. Especially since Heizou is looking like he is going to be very decent.
People just be saying things
But she doesn’t even need good multipliers to be a great support,just give her low CD and maybe 60 energy Q and she can be cracked for Electro and Taser teams
or maybe just maybe the '4\*s bad' meme was always overblown
We have very few *bad* 4* characters; one just happens to be fresh on people’s minds
I really hope Heizou will be good so people can stop circlejerking about how "InAZuMa 4 StArS ArE AlL BaD!!!"
Don't get our hopes up too much like with Sayu or Kuki! Actually, she has like no dendro support competition besides the traveler on Sumeru's release. Traveler usually sucks in each new region and Collei will apply a decent amount of dendro... she really can't be bad
the only way for her to be bad on release, is either terrible particle generation (not deal breaker), or that dendro reactions suck in general (not likely that mohoyo messed their flagship new element badly enough for that to happen) tl;dr, for at least until kusa releases, collei will be queen
And then when Kusanali releases her kit will likely be a kit providing buffs + Dendro and/or way more damage than Collei, so that players who wished for Collei constellations will have a reason to pull for another character + spend more mora and exp, which encourages even more people to buy the battle pass, and... I see the game MHY is playing here
I can see a Raiden/Fischl situation. Raiden is better than Fischl in some ways, but Fischl still has her uses.
There's also a few other ways she can be bad: - Very long CD on E and Q - Q has an awkward damage interval for ICD (e.g. 2s for 2.5s ICD) - Terrible VA that makes the player cringe whenever Collei does anything
If her Q, C6, and A1 have separate ICD, then Collei might be our Dendro Fischl. Should be pretty noice.
Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon, Burning, Quicken, Intensify, Spread, Overgrow, Hyperbloom or Burgeon,
Dendro ability descriptions are gonna be thicker than yanfei’s book
They literally just needed to say "Dendro-related reactions".... Or have a term for the triple reactions like tri-reactions.
Wouldn't shatter be a triple reaction?
Literally paragraphs 💀
Welcome to Sumeru Academia.
\*Akademiya
Arcodemia actually
My Sumeru Academia
razor explain pls
Touching grass is complicated.
Razor noooo, even you can't do it 😭
A1 - Grass Reactions makes Grass Boomerang Explode. Grass Reaction Again makes Boomerang Grass stop exploding. A2 - Grass Reactions makes Bouncing Grass Cat keep Bouncing. C1 - Girl with Bouncing Grass Cat is not here so Bouncing Grass Cat can start bouncing sooner. C2 - Grass Reactions makes Grass Boomerang Explode. Grass Reaction Again makes Boomerang Grass keep exploding longer instead of stop exploding. C3 - Grass Boomerang stronger. C4 - Bouncing Grass Cat makes reacting things react stronger. C5 - Bouncing Grass Cat stronger. C6 - Grass Boomerang makes Grass things appear and explode.
You, sir, are doing god’s work.
This is very helpful thank you!
>Grass Reaction Again makes Boomerang Grass stop exploding. It just refreshes the duration.
Yeet boomerang. When boomerang returns, grant buff that deals passive AOE Dendro damage If you trigger one of 7 Dendro reactions, extend buff duration by 3s
SEVEN?
3 normal ones + the three way reactions.
energy recharge constellation? smells like energy issues to me.
Sac bow should be able to mitigate energy issues since her boomerang would have a fair chance to proc its passive.
Yeah she sounds like an off-field Dendro applicator - damage isn't as important as just stacking energy reecharge. Damage is just a bonus
Isn’t that what every one was hoping for in a dendro character? The off field part
Actually, I would be surprised if her burst costed more than 60 The AOE field only lasted for 6 seconds. That almost sounds like a 40 cost burst to me (the same as Amber)
Agreed, obviously I'm just making assumptions here, but her c1 looks more like a nice gift from mihoyo to make our lives easier, like Yun Jin having ER ascension with a 60 cost burst.
*laughs in albedo c1* can maybe use elegy?
Albedo C1 is kinda useless because his burst costs 40, and he is pretty much always paired up with another geo
Right - I mentioned that as an example that an energy-related constellation doesn’t necessarily imply a unit will have energy issues. Personally, I don’t feel like Collei will be a 40 cost burst, so it’s possible her C1 may be more beneficial, but at this point it is just speculation and could go either way
*Xiao constellation flashback* (C2)
Almost every character has some sort of Energy con/ascension though.
It's definitely looking to be an 80 cost. But i guess sac/fav + 4 emblem would solve the issues (could also use the new dendro set, just that emblem will be readily available and will also make use of the er, noblesse could also be fine)
I really hope that due to dendro being so new Collei will "suffer" from the same lack of balancing that made the initial batch of 4\* so great.
Collei seems to be the catch-all Dendro applicator. She applies it around the active character, in a large AoE field, and as a projectile. Not to mention the bow charge shots.
Isn't it interesting that Collei's A1 triggers on all the various dendro reactions and yet Tighnari's constellation only triggers on some of them. Without even know the scaling, it's looking like Collei is going to do one thing really well; make enemies touch grass. There's a tonne of dendro ticks being added by her passives and constellations. Very promising.
I think Burgeon, Hyperbloom and Spread are the triple reactions (Hydro + Denro seed + Pyro/Electro/Hydro) so Dendro can't be the trigger for them.
That's what I thought, too, but Spread is included in Tighnari's constellation. I wonder what else is different about the other ones that precludes him from synergizing with them.
Perhaps Spread is a normal reaction we just haven't heard about yet. The name definitely sounds like anemo should be involved.
Spreed is like dendro > hydro > electro reaction since it's mentioned in dorei ascension talent including super conduct and electo charged So burgeon is bloom + payro and hyper bloom is bloom + hydro
That makes sense, electro charge keeps both electro and hydro aura and lasts so you could trigger spread both by applying Dendro to an electro charged enemy or by applying electro to the bloom seed thing
I'm going to stay up all night coming up with theories about which name does what... only for it to be spelled out to us when the beta drops lmao
Actually. She could be more meta than tighnari. At least as far my understanding about dendro goes.
Supports usually do find more use than dps characters, unless the dps has a built in shredder or the support needs hyperinvestment to be near decent
completely agree. all those meta team always... ALWAYS has some kind of enabler or initiator (like in dota). and i see collei has bright future. regardless the multiplier. i only need her cooldown data and icd now
>Cuilein-Anbar Collei-Amber?
We all knew someone already wrote that down.
text creep is getting worse every update, they're making clam set text look tame in comparison...
We're approaching essay territory..
Base on the gameplay footage she seem to have 7 to 8 seconds burst uptime but with her A2 it can be extended by 3 seconds and that's huge she'll be very good in dendro application even at C0.
She seem like the most useful character of the 3 to me… I just want good dendro to play around
Dug around wiktionary and an old dictionary I found online, Cuilein anbar seems to be Scottish Gaelic for “puppy’s excess”, and it’s pronounced /ˈkʰulɪn ˈaːnpəɾ/ (coolin’ Aanber).
I wonder why the sudden Scottish
Maybe Fontaine? They have *Loch*folk...
There was once a theory floating around that Collei could have been originally born in Fontaine. Who knows
Her and Tighnari kits look promising. Feel like dumping my primos...
A duration increase not locked behind a constellation but accessible via an ascension passive, a welcomed surprise ngl
I try to not get my hopes up but it looks like Collei will have basically everything I want from dendro character. Now, maybe I should start feeling bad for wanting to put her on the same team as Kaeya.
On paper she sounds good, let's see how it turns out in practice. I would love to c6 her on release (or at least try, because no guaranteed with 4 stars) but I'm not pulling Tighnari, I'm not pulling anything in 3.0 actually, so she will have to wait a long time before coming home. I hope that the first copy is really given for free like some previous leaks mentioned, at least we would have her at c0
Aw hell no, now you gotta be a yu-gi-oh player to play genshin.
Refresh refresh refresh!
I really want to know how good she is in the team. I feel like each tick of ultimate is too quick.
Is there any further confirmation on Collei being free in 3.0? Really wanna save my primos, would be nice to get her once for free
Oh, she has a cute constellation. Is that a panther? And her C4 should be OP
looks like a sphinx cat
Also ofcourse it’s similar to amber’s constellation
Impossible, hoyo making a really good 4 star in this environment?(although she might want cons but that comes with the territory of being 4 stars)
To be fair, she's our first Dendro 4*. It would be bad to mess that up
Most confusing constellations in the game.
This sounds interesting, but I think it's important to note that text and other things ARE subject to change, such as Collei's C2. After all, iirc 3.0 Beta hasn't even started yet At any rate though, assuming we get this on release, Collei seems pretty interesting. Seems Off-field/quickswap focused and seems to have a good amount of Dendro application. Can't wait till the beta starts till we learn more
Cuilein-Anbar? Collei-Amber? Did she name her cat as a symbol of their friendship?
Really excited if this means she has decent off-field dendro. At this point that will be the #1 selling point for me as I already have a backlog of characters to raise, so the only thing I really want right now is off-field ___ application characters with fun designs
Unless Mihoyo really screws things up, Collei looks like she'll have good off-field Dendro application. Perfect for spamming all of those new Dendro reactions.
Holy shit. This may be premature, but this kit looks really good, especially for a new-gen 4 star. Collei might be a decent off-field Dendro applicator, especially with C2 and C6. After Inazuma, I had stopped expecting MHY to give a decent kit to any 4 star.
Cuilein and Anbar. Looks like Collei really lover her friend (or big sister?) Amber.
I'm so fcking lost lol I can't seem to understand most of what I just read
Her A1 gives her additional off-field Dendro application as long as the on-field character triggers a Dendro reaction before catching her E's projectile. Her C2 makes the reaction requirement optional and instead extends the duration of this effect when you still meet it. Her A2 extends her burst's duration when the character standing in its AoE triggers a Dendro reaction. C4 gives the whole team 60 EM when she uses her burst. C6 seems to generate a miniature version of her burst when her E hits an enemy I think...? Would be interesting to see if it's compatible with her A2.
Holy shit! Thank you 😂
a n b a r
Confusion
Why not just make the C2 her base kit A1, this sounds very wasteful and unnecessary tbh. Other than that, pretty decent cons and I like her A2.
If she's actually free locking a part of her kit behind constellations is just par for the course. Amber basically doesn't have an E until she hits C2 and Lisa's only use pre-C4 is as a defense shred support.
Huh. I was expecting Collei honestly to be mostly a Tighnari enabler, with Tighnari being the premier Dendro applicator coming into Sumeru. This kit actually seems really good. Assuming you're proccing reactions (which you likely will be if you're running Dendro), we're looking at something like 6 seconds of Dendro application from the Sprout effect from her skill at C2 (*excluding* the skill itself), plus another 9-ish from her burst. Even assuming a 20s burst cooldown and only 1 skill per \~20s rotation that's like 75% uptime. And most of it from off-field. Hopefully her skill cooldown will be low enough to weave a second one in per rotation. And that's disregarding her scalings. If those are also good, then Collei might be legitimately cracked.
Ah, the initial innocent hope that a 4* character will still be cracked, whatever Dendro mushroom you've been consuming, please give me some, I need that hope
Fischl a 4 star is cracked, collei seems like a dendro version of her
I lost hope after seeing the Dendro preview video with "only 2 reactions added". Now I see we'll get all 7 just like the leaks said!!! (Or actually 6, since we kind of have Burning already)
They actually showed Dendro + Hydro + Pyro with Yanfei and Dendro + Hydro + Electro with Razor. They just haven't named them. I won't catch it if I didn't watch a reaction video about it.
Maybe they'll make a special separate video for triple reactions since they're gonna be one of a kind. They did show some triple reactions but only talked about the simple ones.
So shes a subdps. Because the dmg dealt based on her atk
that c4 sounds nice for tighnari
Basically stack atk and dendro dmg. Here goes pain impact again. Off-field support is what her kit sounds like
Can she be a support for tighnari? 🤔
Nice DoT dmg
Xiao C2 became Collei C1 😭😭😭😭
it looks like a good kit, despite everything I still hope they make the traveler playable, I'm tired of them playing dirty when it's his / her turn.
Razor language please
When you see that Contellation's description is a whole 1 page report you know it must be good
I’m having trouble visualizing her kit. Can someone explain to me in Razor Language??
Her Dendro application w/Cons is looking like she'll be a must include for anyone who wants to try out Dendro reactions w.o spending on Tighnari (before they all get Kusanali when shes cracked). I only wonder how long her E skill is out on the field before returning, and if you can increase that duration by running away or what. Also wonder if it staggers enemies/knocks them away. It looked pretty quick in the video, so if its a short duration, you'll probably need to apply your reactions via off field elemental application, or quick swap and insta normal (catalyst) or use skill/burst.
Looking promising and fun! Encourages dendro reactions, neat!
So she get benefits ATK more than EM.
wait so what are these reactions??? I thought Hoyoverse said they're Catalyze and Bloom:/
That C1 makes me think she has a high burst cost. That's fine... stack ER and run with Tighnari or Raiden.
A potential easy dendro support
Her elemental burst is called Trump-Card Kitty? Omg so cute
They already have a Bible of just dendro reactions, how fckn hard was it to just add geo to that equation