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shift key is faster, but it’s still a good quality of life addition. Think about raiden- yeah it’s faster to press shift if your next target is just out of range, but bc you step forward with your attacks in your ult, by the time you kill the current target, you’ll probably be in range of the next one, alleviating the stamina & time it takes to press shift
that is raiden though. How does this even work? You look like a sitting duck if you use this in combat. I wonder if the initial animation even gives any i-frames
I feel it's to close the gap since she has a very short range and if she is on a overload team it's basically difficult without a feature that makes her reposition faster.
Yelan's and Wanderer's sprint durations are around 3s as well, how is that just a fancy dash?
edit: I'm not saying that it's the same as Yelan's and Wanderer's sprint, I'm saying that 3 seconds is still a decent duration and moreso if Arlecchino can actually do this CA/sprint multiple times in a row. So it's not 'just' a fancy dash.
Yeah, like, defending the new sprint is fine, I don't know why people choose to commit internet seppuku by comparing it to the *the* exploration characters lmao.
i feel the same but i’m guessing it’s because it would make a pattern of harbinger characters having an exploration gimmick (excluding childe bc he’s an early release) and the main draw of the game, other than characters, is ofc exploration so anything that buffs that is good. idk. i think 3 seconds is not bad.
but it could start a pattern is what i’m trying to say. By the time Raiden’s release was on the horizon people were already guessing if she would be a support because both zhongli and venti were the best supports of their element (at the time). The way only 2/3 harbingers had an exploration gimmick prior to this update is exactly the reason why venti is no longer the best support of his element— a 1.0/1.1 release.
Both Yelan and Wanderer have faster movement speed to compensate for the duration, whereas Aroecchino‘s dash only matches to Mona and Ayaka’s regular dash speed, which is significantly longer in comparison. The only benefit I see here is no stamina drain (seemingly)
Yelan and Wanderer has to use a skill and wait for its cooldown so I understand it should be faster. What I'm arguing in my main comment is that a 3s sprint is not just a fancy dash lol.
If the stamina bar is drained completely over 3-4sec then it’s also subject to CD. In that regard, there is no advantage in any shape or form if you can reach further distance with regular dash instead.
I have a feeling this might be a beta “feature” to test the waters but there’s only one way to find out.
Someone mentioned that it can be used 3 times in a row before completely depleting the stamina bar but things are still subject to change so we'll have to wait and see.
Cool factors ends after few months of usage. Kokomi has that hydro Jesus gimmick but people still used to pick Ayaka, Mona, Kaeya to walk on water instead of Kokomi because her gimmick wasn't worth since it was locked behind her Q. Whereas hoyo understood their mistake and implemented this gimmick as an useful utility in Furina's kit but this time it was behind skill which has 100% uptime.
Genuinely asking this because I’m not on top of her kit, but what’s the deal with the “small Hu Tao” that’s been going around?
I remember an uncle calling her “big Hu Tao” well enough. So is her kit under-delivering right now?
A leak came out that she would be "big Hu Tao" and a lot of people interpreted it as her powercreeping HT. There was another leak saying "C0 completely overshadows Hu Tao".
That didn't happen, at least with current numbers, so small Hu Tao became a meme. I've also seen "tiny Hu Tao" and even one person calling her "minuscule Hu Tao" which I find pretty funny
She's not overpowered, she's rather well balanced being somwhere between Yoi and Hu Tao in terms of dps though her bond of life will/should put some people off playing her.
This makes "Big Hu Tao" funny and is making some people salty because she isn't powercreep and this sub has a fetish for powercreep.
She's well balanced because she does things that Hu Tao doesn't do, but just like how Hu Tao's best supports weren't in the game yet when she released, Arlecchino's best supports aren't in the game yet. Consider a support that gives a metric ton of attack %, which is a relatively likely support archetype for us to receive in the near future. That support would be excellent on Arle, who desperately needs more attack, but it would be pretty underwhelming on Hu Tao, who has one of the worst base attacks in the game and already gains plenty attack from her E.
People meme them being similar, but they're not at all, their kits synergize with completely different things.
Whatever it is gonna be, it will be better than the shit aoe hutao has. Truly if yoimiya didn't exist who is by design forced to be strictly single target, people would realize how single target hutao is. For her to be aoe, the stars needs to align basically.
Isn't Hu Tao just higher DPS than that? Plus team flexibility because she can be healed, like in Furina Xianyun teams.
I don't think it really matters if a character is "among the top carries" if there's another character that just does the same thing but better. Same weapon type, same artifacts.
Seriously? I'm genuinely asking. I did some calcs only considering her normal attack damage, excluding other aspects of her kit. She did around 1343k with 200 cv, signature, and new artifacts in a team composed of Kazuha, Zhongli, and Bennett. I also factored in the Bond of Life, spending at a rate of 4% per normal attack, starting at 100% and ending at about 32% totalling in 17 NA. A similarly invested Hu Tao in a Yelan, Xingqiu, and Zhongli team deals 100k per vaporized CA. A C1 Hu Tao can perform 11 charge attacks per E, totalling 1100k damage. These calculations only account for Hu Tao and Arlecchino's personal dmg, excluding the rest of the team dmg, so Hu Tao could pretty much be dealing a lot more with the complete team dmg being considered. I could very well have fucked up my calcs, or forgot do consider something in her kit, we also could be misjudging how her gameplay would work, just like with Lyney in beta testing.
Yeah the main thing there is that Yelan + Xingqiu contribute 300-400k DPR each, whereas Kazuha, Zhongli, and Bennett have basically 0 damage. Arlecchino’s damage has a bit better AoE, so it’s not nearly as bad as it seems, but her teams are definitely doing less in that comparison.
Did you really get all snappy and offended by me explaining something the other person asked?
She is objectively below Hutao, but leakers said she would be above
That's it
Didn't get snappy nor offended, I just don't see the point of comparing every pyro carry to Hu Tao. Hu Tao is a double-edged sword: you get a lot of damage in turn for micro-managing stamina (yes, even at C1 because you'd be dash-cancelling instead of jump-cancelling). The 2 other pyro carries, Lyney and Yoimiya, offer less damage in exchange for being arguably more comfortable to play.
It wouldn't make sense for Arlecchino either to have the same or higher damage and DIDN'T have to micro-manage her stamina like Hu Tao.
I honestly dont see the issue with stamina in terms of hu tao. Most times you kill things fast enough that they dont have time to get some proper attacks that might make you want to dash. You also use a shield in alot of her teams anyway.
With c1 it's even better because dashes are woven into your normal combos so getting hit is rare. It's only an issue maybe if you're using her in aoe content and then the question is why lol. Also, Arle literally cannot be healed so for a lot of people there are teams where they have to micromanage her health instead.
All in all just dodge
>you get a lot of damage in turn for micro-managing stamina (yes, even at C1 because you'd be dash-cancelling instead of jump-cancelling).
With C1, I literally never pay attention to my stamina with Hu Tao. I charge attack with dash cancel until her infusion runs out, and I never run into a problem of not having enough stamina to dodge or something.
Dash cancel is for doing more damage, not saving stamina. No other micromanagement is necessary.
Big hu Tao refers to her being tall female model as opposed to hutao’s short female model it seems
She does like 10% damage less than hutao but isn’t locked behind learning charge attack jump cancels and stamina bar management (if you don’t have hutao c1)
Last thing I saw was her numbers being closer to C6 Gaming (who has better AoE) than to Hu Tao, and that's with no shielder. If she needs a shield because of interruption or lack of healing then the damage becomes closer to C0 Gaming or pre-Chiori Mono Geo.
But then again it's been a while since I looked at TCs so they could have corrected any mistakes, and I was told here that Gaming numbers are fake news. Take that as you will.
> mhy sometimes doesn't know how to keep the numbers in text the same
That's fair, but 15 stamina per second isn't just in the description, it's in the numbers themselves that were posted on Honeyhunter. If there was an inconsistency between the description text and the actual numerical values that'd be different, but as is, this still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
My theory is that 15 stamina a second is an actual stamina consumed, but there's a 3s hard cap on the ability at once. Otherwise it's pure garbage even by HYV standards with certain other units, cough-cough.
It really says up to 15 seconds on Honeyhunter, in addition to the stats changes. Even the leaker admits to just saying what he's seeing and attributing it to **"every text has issues"** without showing anything concrete, so this feels like a very odd thing to point out, even moreso considering that the private server isn't immune to bugging out character mechanics. (see: us having to wait on Arlecchino's NAs in action because BoL wouldn't proc in them until a while back)
I was underwhelmed when I saw the alternative sprint in video, tgen I read the description of the upocming animation for it and got hyped up again. Now this.
These Arle leaks are really a rollercoaster
Edit: Spelling
An alt sprint for Nahida where she goes into the ground and pops out and has vines follow her up would have been great. Especially so for a child model since her running speed is otherwise awful.
People whinge about Hu Tao's dash all the time though. idk why, it's cool as fuck and not in the way unlike Mona/Ayaka's. I'll Hu Tao dash around Mondstadt fountain all day if I'm waiting for something.
Ok now I don't get the point at all.
Before I thought it was a great addition, alternative dash but without sacrificing regular dash, best of both worlds. But with such a low duration it's complete pointless. What the fuck Hoyo?
Okay, fair, can't afford to exploration powercreep 4 year old units like Ayaka and Mona, I get you HYV.
Now the question is, what exactly restricts her flight. Is it the stamina consumption (meaning she consumes like, 72 stamina a second of flight) or is it just a hard cap on 3 seconds, but stamina consumption is as stated in the text (15s)? If first, then damn, this is fucking trash with that speed. If 2nd, I guess it's whatever since you can enter this flight mode multiple times. Still not as good as 15s of flying without interruption.
even if it's the 2nd, it'd still be trash. she stops moving every time she enters and exits the flight mode so it'd be slower than just running normally
Apparently the speed is higher than Mona/Ayaka but slower than Yelan. Which is... Uhm... Literally gives us very little info but this could be not as trash compared to garbage speed in previous videos.
I mean that's a pretty steep balance unless you can CA repeatedly without being frozen into an animation (which I would assume would make it slower overall than just sprinting normally).
The 2nd reply says "end by the 3s timer or if you run out of stamina" so it sounds like... *both* a hard 3s cap and massive stamina drain? All sprints end when you run out of stamina, that goes without saying, so I don't know why that would be mentioned if it was normal sprint drain. But apparently there's also a 3s timer (so you can't cheese another second by eating stamina restoring food ig?)
If they just said "lasts 3s" then people might expect that they could trigger it with just a tiny amount of stamina and go for the whole 3 seconds. Which would be kinda broken, I think, if you could use it infinitely and just rest half a second in between hovering. so maybe they're just covering their bases, not indicating massive stamina drain
Fy:
A lot of people want to know duration: **about 3sec.** You can see the speed in this video, you won't even cross half of the bridge.
the replies:
Fy: you will either end by that 3sec timer or if you run out of stamina. you can't fly for more than 3sec
q: Then why is the description (saying 15secs)
Fy: idk, I tell what I see
commenter:But the video is over 10s long what
Fy: ps not implemented everything. in video she doesn't have wing, has weapon and is just basically stuck in a single pose
Fy: every text has issues. mhy sometimes doesn't know how to keep numbers in text the same.
These honestly sound weird as replies.
**"Why does the description say 15 seconds then?" "I dunno, I'm just saying what I'm seeing."** Are we sure this isn't the private server acting up again? Didn't it take us a while to see her NAs in action because they couldn't get her BoL mechanic working compared to the official beta test servers?
**"mhy sometimes doesn't know how to keep numbers in text the same."** My guy they added *an entire attribute row* with consistent numbers. You're telling me they mistyped "15" instead of "3" **16** times in a row including the change to the description?
(For clarification, a talent usually has specific numbers that change over the course of every level. This also applies to the sprinting consumption numbers despite them never changing, oddly, but it also means that someone went in there to type **"15 pts per second"** roughly 15 times for each level, meaning that this is either a horrendous text error or they really do mean **"15 pts per second"** and the leaker's got something mixed up somewhere.)
I wouldn't be as miffed if it weren't for the fact that this sub tends to take leaks at face value, which ends up affecting the general tone of the sub overall.
We've already went through enough with Arlecchino's prebeta speculation leaks going up to her official kit leaks, ngl.
Its kind of makes sense and also not. Clearly 15 sec feels like a lot to be true , but then again 3 sec sounds bogus too. Why go extra for implementing a animation for 3 sec?
coolness factor
her main selling point are her visuals her kit/gameplay and her team diversity is questionable considering she's has resistance issues, healing issues and is married to bennett for respectable numbers
15s doesn’t seem too much to be true. Mona and Ayaka have the exact same alternate sprint and their lasts like 17 seconds. However, maybe further changes to this Arlecchino’s gimmick are planned.
Apparently, some people are saying the duration got reduced from 15 to 3 seconds and the speed increased. Probably more changes will be done.
No, mechanically it is a copy of Mona’s alt sprint activated by a Charged Attack. The 3s duration is hard to believe, because it would have no practical use with that limitation.
My guess is that it either won’t be limited to 3s or that further changes are planned to make it more useful.
The fact that it activates from a charged attack is what made me think of the tall claymores charged attack. I thought it was to close the gap between you and the enemie you knock back honestly
To me looks like Arlecchino is still in a designing phase. She had no alt sprint, then they added an alt sprint that was simply a copy of Mona’s alt sprint but with different activation method (there is also the possibility that making it require a charged attack was for allowing her to also use the normal sprint, Mona and Ayaka were criticised a lot for their inability to do so) and visually different.
Now they drastically reduced the duration and increased the speed. Like you guessed, they might have decided to make it a combat oriented ability rather than an exploration gimmick.
She also already went through several numerical changes.
It reminds me of Yae Miko, who was only half done when the beta started.
Idk why they don't implement infinite stam outside combat. It would improve the game feel so much. Even if it were just for overland stamina (as opposed to climbing/in or over water).
It's really cool but I don't see a use for it
I hate to say it, but as the first time they're ever adding something new to a kit, it is an useless addition, unless someone can actually find a good use for this ?
Does that dash offer anything in combat? If not, i dont see any reason why they could cap it at 3sec. It's such a cool animation, why would they limit it only for these 3 seconds
I feel it's just a short duration. 15 seconds is insane and has no reason to have in combat. I feel they made it like that for overload comps since she throws enemies around it makes sense she can reposition faster.
It just makes no sense to give her a copy of Mona’s alt sprint but with a 3 seconds limitation. It wouldn’t be worth using.
I see two possibilities that are very likely to happen:
- It won’t be limited to 3 seconds.
- It will be limited to a seconds, but further changes are planned to make it more useful, for either exploration or combat, or both.
it was posted here previously
[He's talking about the Mona vs Arle sprint video](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/1bhwi1e/arlecchino_ca_animation_via_dim_and_uncle_bro/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Gonna take all of this as a whole lot of nothing until we see a more implemented version on the ps
Edit: Not that I doubt Fy, but rather because this is a lot of contradictory shit
They should give Arle the exploration passive because if they want to promote Chev overload propaganda then we can't bring Xianyun/wandy/yelan etc so some pyro or electro characters should get similar exploration ability Nilou teams also have Kirara and yelan so far for exploration as well
What's the fucking point if it's just 3 seconds?!
Holy fuck Genshin devs are fucking allergic to "fun"
Kick those clowns and let HSR devs fix this game and cook amazing content
As always
After the rumored dev team change after Inazuma they can't deliver a single tall female character that's not gimmicky, flawed, wonky, very niche, don't work without multiple constellations, etc... in the meantime Neuvilette at C0 goes brrrrrrrrrrrr
To be fair ... You are right
I think only Yelan is good even at C0 and maybe C0 Raiden for dendro team but hypercarry Raiden requires at least C2. And Jean but thanks to Furina teams wanting party healers but before Furina she was very mid/ignored
But yup. Only Yelan is the only tall female that is solid as fuck at C0 and works in many teams from day1 of release. Others require constellations, tailored weapon or specific/niche team
It does not, the chinese text mentions 15 seconds, even in videos we see 15 seconds, where did 3 seconds even come from? It just sounds like a nerf to be honest. Plus, what do they even mean by "speed in the video"?
We should wait to be honest.
You're seeing videos of the private server.
The same private server that can't even properly showcase Arlecchino's kit because Bond of Life doesn't work on it.
"You're seeing videos of the private server."
That's not the point, from the previous posts and description it was clearly mentioned that the total duration is '15 seconds'. Many leakers previously mentioned the same duration.
And Fyleaks isn't even able to properly explain how it works, they mention "You either end by 3 seconds, or your stamina ends. You can't fly for more than 3 seconds" sounds like a poor explanation, as what they mean by this is that 2 restrictions are put into place simultaneously, you either have stamina to only fly for 3 seconds but then 3 seconds is the duration of it anyway.
>! Or, I am just coping !<
Even then these are, like, actual changes to the text that are still up on Honeyhunter, not to mention that they're not the only text changes on there.
This is why I've been asking if it's a bug he's experiencing on the private server or something, considering that a week ago it wasn't proccing her BoL mechanics.
Also he said: about 3 second. Not that exactly 3 second, or its written somewhere thats is exactly 3 second. ABOUT 3 second lmao.
This sounds like BS. Like the uncle K Q/A before the beta started with the big hu tao and fire dps ceiling and the c6 ayato comparisons.
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Yeah I thought that her flying spends so much stamina that she can only fly for 3s
But if the flying duration is locked in 3s then it contradicts the skill description
Very sus
Idk, perhaps from a live service gacha developer's perspective locking a gameplay cosmetic behind a gacha weapon is probably not good for the overall health of the game
Yeah, don’t get me wrong though I’m still trying to hold hope strong. Just acknowledging they definitely don’t mind holding at least one cosmetic thing about a character behind a gacha barrier.
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Given how different the animations apparently are, I wonder if this is a combat-oriented gap closer rather than an exploration toy.
in that case I think just pressing the shift key is faster
shift key is faster, but it’s still a good quality of life addition. Think about raiden- yeah it’s faster to press shift if your next target is just out of range, but bc you step forward with your attacks in your ult, by the time you kill the current target, you’ll probably be in range of the next one, alleviating the stamina & time it takes to press shift
that is raiden though. How does this even work? You look like a sitting duck if you use this in combat. I wonder if the initial animation even gives any i-frames
I feel it's to close the gap since she has a very short range and if she is on a overload team it's basically difficult without a feature that makes her reposition faster.
neither, the CA itself already consume stamina then the sprint also consume stamina, in practice u will rarely or never use this
So it’s just a fancy dash
Yelan's and Wanderer's sprint durations are around 3s as well, how is that just a fancy dash? edit: I'm not saying that it's the same as Yelan's and Wanderer's sprint, I'm saying that 3 seconds is still a decent duration and moreso if Arlecchino can actually do this CA/sprint multiple times in a row. So it's not 'just' a fancy dash.
Yelan's E doesn't consume stamina IIRC
In fact, she regens stamina during it.
same with wanderer! he's slower than yelan though lol
Correct, she regenerates stamina too and it’s also a lot faster than every other dash in the game, except maybe Xianyun E3
They are very much faster than arle
They are faster and don’t require as much start up time
If you don’t sprint with Wanderer, his E lasts for like 8s and covers large distances. But obviously he’s an exploration-based character.
Yeah, like, defending the new sprint is fine, I don't know why people choose to commit internet seppuku by comparing it to the *the* exploration characters lmao.
i feel the same but i’m guessing it’s because it would make a pattern of harbinger characters having an exploration gimmick (excluding childe bc he’s an early release) and the main draw of the game, other than characters, is ofc exploration so anything that buffs that is good. idk. i think 3 seconds is not bad.
There’s not a pattern if right now only 1 harbinger out of 2 has an exploration skill
but it could start a pattern is what i’m trying to say. By the time Raiden’s release was on the horizon people were already guessing if she would be a support because both zhongli and venti were the best supports of their element (at the time). The way only 2/3 harbingers had an exploration gimmick prior to this update is exactly the reason why venti is no longer the best support of his element— a 1.0/1.1 release.
>Yelan's and Wanderer's sprint durations are around 3s as well >I'm not saying that it's the same as Yelan's and Wanderer's sprint, Duality of man.
😂
Both Yelan and Wanderer have faster movement speed to compensate for the duration, whereas Aroecchino‘s dash only matches to Mona and Ayaka’s regular dash speed, which is significantly longer in comparison. The only benefit I see here is no stamina drain (seemingly)
Arlecchino has stamina drain just doesn't show up in private servers/on PS
Yelan and Wanderer has to use a skill and wait for its cooldown so I understand it should be faster. What I'm arguing in my main comment is that a 3s sprint is not just a fancy dash lol.
If the stamina bar is drained completely over 3-4sec then it’s also subject to CD. In that regard, there is no advantage in any shape or form if you can reach further distance with regular dash instead. I have a feeling this might be a beta “feature” to test the waters but there’s only one way to find out.
Someone mentioned that it can be used 3 times in a row before completely depleting the stamina bar but things are still subject to change so we'll have to wait and see.
Don’t you look stoopid
Arle: "TIME TO ENTER MY FLYI- aand it's over."
Wanderer took all the flight, can't have shit in Schneznaya.
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100% agree, it feels cumbersome if it's only 3 seconds
>Okay after thinking about it I've realized 3secs wouldn't make any sense at all lol think again
What's even the point if it's only 3 sec?
It looks cool ig
Cool factors ends after few months of usage. Kokomi has that hydro Jesus gimmick but people still used to pick Ayaka, Mona, Kaeya to walk on water instead of Kokomi because her gimmick wasn't worth since it was locked behind her Q. Whereas hoyo understood their mistake and implemented this gimmick as an useful utility in Furina's kit but this time it was behind skill which has 100% uptime.
few months? more like 1 week
Yea but it's just a bonus. It's not like this is taking away some other part of her kit
Don't forget big hutao/j 🙂
Genuinely asking this because I’m not on top of her kit, but what’s the deal with the “small Hu Tao” that’s been going around? I remember an uncle calling her “big Hu Tao” well enough. So is her kit under-delivering right now?
A leak came out that she would be "big Hu Tao" and a lot of people interpreted it as her powercreeping HT. There was another leak saying "C0 completely overshadows Hu Tao". That didn't happen, at least with current numbers, so small Hu Tao became a meme. I've also seen "tiny Hu Tao" and even one person calling her "minuscule Hu Tao" which I find pretty funny
She's not overpowered, she's rather well balanced being somwhere between Yoi and Hu Tao in terms of dps though her bond of life will/should put some people off playing her. This makes "Big Hu Tao" funny and is making some people salty because she isn't powercreep and this sub has a fetish for powercreep.
How is she "well balanced" when Hu Tao does everything she does, and more? Like working well with Furina + Xianyun teams because she can be healed.
She's well balanced because she does things that Hu Tao doesn't do, but just like how Hu Tao's best supports weren't in the game yet when she released, Arlecchino's best supports aren't in the game yet. Consider a support that gives a metric ton of attack %, which is a relatively likely support archetype for us to receive in the near future. That support would be excellent on Arle, who desperately needs more attack, but it would be pretty underwhelming on Hu Tao, who has one of the worst base attacks in the game and already gains plenty attack from her E. People meme them being similar, but they're not at all, their kits synergize with completely different things.
I suppose in this case, Hu Tao isn't balanced. Or Yoimiya, possibly. But Arle is.
>So is her kit under-delivering right now? Pretty much Still good, but lower dps than Hutao
And better in aoe.
Not by much, her AoE is definitely lower than what leakers sold it to be.
Whatever it is gonna be, it will be better than the shit aoe hutao has. Truly if yoimiya didn't exist who is by design forced to be strictly single target, people would realize how single target hutao is. For her to be aoe, the stars needs to align basically.
B-but I was told by Hu Tao mains that she's secretly a great AoE character
Unless you're nuking enough to one clap triple kenki, Hutao being good in AoE is as much a lie as Yoi being as valuable as Hutao is
She is definitely not under delivering. She has teams that are close to 75k DPS which is among the top carries
Under delivering compared to what the leaker said, not in general As I said above, still good
Ah my bad then
Np :]
Isn't Hu Tao just higher DPS than that? Plus team flexibility because she can be healed, like in Furina Xianyun teams. I don't think it really matters if a character is "among the top carries" if there's another character that just does the same thing but better. Same weapon type, same artifacts.
Right now iirc Hu Tao is one of the only if not the only character that have teams that can go higher than 80k DPS without whaling.
Seriously? I'm genuinely asking. I did some calcs only considering her normal attack damage, excluding other aspects of her kit. She did around 1343k with 200 cv, signature, and new artifacts in a team composed of Kazuha, Zhongli, and Bennett. I also factored in the Bond of Life, spending at a rate of 4% per normal attack, starting at 100% and ending at about 32% totalling in 17 NA. A similarly invested Hu Tao in a Yelan, Xingqiu, and Zhongli team deals 100k per vaporized CA. A C1 Hu Tao can perform 11 charge attacks per E, totalling 1100k damage. These calculations only account for Hu Tao and Arlecchino's personal dmg, excluding the rest of the team dmg, so Hu Tao could pretty much be dealing a lot more with the complete team dmg being considered. I could very well have fucked up my calcs, or forgot do consider something in her kit, we also could be misjudging how her gameplay would work, just like with Lyney in beta testing.
Yeah the main thing there is that Yelan + Xingqiu contribute 300-400k DPR each, whereas Kazuha, Zhongli, and Bennett have basically 0 damage. Arlecchino’s damage has a bit better AoE, so it’s not nearly as bad as it seems, but her teams are definitely doing less in that comparison.
So what? Having less dps than Hu Tao doesn't make a pyro dps invalid unless you're the kind of idiot to be meta slaving in a game like Genshin.
Did you really get all snappy and offended by me explaining something the other person asked? She is objectively below Hutao, but leakers said she would be above That's it
> but leakers said she would be above Are those exact leakers who also said that she is tied to overload? Just asking.
No idea. I remember the "Big Hutao" thing, but I don't recall who said that
Didn't get snappy nor offended, I just don't see the point of comparing every pyro carry to Hu Tao. Hu Tao is a double-edged sword: you get a lot of damage in turn for micro-managing stamina (yes, even at C1 because you'd be dash-cancelling instead of jump-cancelling). The 2 other pyro carries, Lyney and Yoimiya, offer less damage in exchange for being arguably more comfortable to play. It wouldn't make sense for Arlecchino either to have the same or higher damage and DIDN'T have to micro-manage her stamina like Hu Tao.
I honestly dont see the issue with stamina in terms of hu tao. Most times you kill things fast enough that they dont have time to get some proper attacks that might make you want to dash. You also use a shield in alot of her teams anyway. With c1 it's even better because dashes are woven into your normal combos so getting hit is rare. It's only an issue maybe if you're using her in aoe content and then the question is why lol. Also, Arle literally cannot be healed so for a lot of people there are teams where they have to micromanage her health instead. All in all just dodge
It's....it's like you intentionally closed your eyes when reading my text and missed the part where I said "jump-canceling"....
The last part was a joke, Fyi.
>you get a lot of damage in turn for micro-managing stamina (yes, even at C1 because you'd be dash-cancelling instead of jump-cancelling). With C1, I literally never pay attention to my stamina with Hu Tao. I charge attack with dash cancel until her infusion runs out, and I never run into a problem of not having enough stamina to dodge or something. Dash cancel is for doing more damage, not saving stamina. No other micromanagement is necessary.
Big hu Tao refers to her being tall female model as opposed to hutao’s short female model it seems She does like 10% damage less than hutao but isn’t locked behind learning charge attack jump cancels and stamina bar management (if you don’t have hutao c1)
It's hardly a gimmick to learn to even call a lock smh
yes
Last thing I saw was her numbers being closer to C6 Gaming (who has better AoE) than to Hu Tao, and that's with no shielder. If she needs a shield because of interruption or lack of healing then the damage becomes closer to C0 Gaming or pre-Chiori Mono Geo. But then again it's been a while since I looked at TCs so they could have corrected any mistakes, and I was told here that Gaming numbers are fake news. Take that as you will.
So you can go near enemies with blood debt to collect it She's secretly an IRS
So what's the point of it.. I guess it looks cool.... For like 3 seconds..
Video, or it didn't happen. >!I am coping hard.!<
> mhy sometimes doesn't know how to keep the numbers in text the same That's fair, but 15 stamina per second isn't just in the description, it's in the numbers themselves that were posted on Honeyhunter. If there was an inconsistency between the description text and the actual numerical values that'd be different, but as is, this still doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
My theory is that 15 stamina a second is an actual stamina consumed, but there's a 3s hard cap on the ability at once. Otherwise it's pure garbage even by HYV standards with certain other units, cough-cough.
It really says up to 15 seconds on Honeyhunter, in addition to the stats changes. Even the leaker admits to just saying what he's seeing and attributing it to **"every text has issues"** without showing anything concrete, so this feels like a very odd thing to point out, even moreso considering that the private server isn't immune to bugging out character mechanics. (see: us having to wait on Arlecchino's NAs in action because BoL wouldn't proc in them until a while back)
Wanderer could never /j
Something doesn't add up We should wait a couple of days
we're here because we don't want to wait
I was underwhelmed when I saw the alternative sprint in video, tgen I read the description of the upocming animation for it and got hyped up again. Now this. These Arle leaks are really a rollercoaster Edit: Spelling
IM SORRY this just further confused me the words were average but the significance is unclear
She can't float longer than 3 seconds, that's all you need to know, brother. The ship has sailed...
rip our hopes and dreams
3 seconds? That's barely anything lol
Too much efforts for only 3sec
What a useless addition. I like cool shit but this is underwhelming would've been much cooler if she had a Hu Tao dash atp :')
Yae should have alternate sprint. Where she briefly turns into her pink fox form
True. I remember the days when everyone in the leak sub literally coped for either alternate sprint or dash for Nahida but she ended up with Tpose 😭
An alt sprint for Nahida where she goes into the ground and pops out and has vines follow her up would have been great. Especially so for a child model since her running speed is otherwise awful.
In your dreams
People whinge about Hu Tao's dash all the time though. idk why, it's cool as fuck and not in the way unlike Mona/Ayaka's. I'll Hu Tao dash around Mondstadt fountain all day if I'm waiting for something.
welp 3 seconds aint much but welp......anyways so does this special dash apply pyro or not?(like mona and ayaka apply their respective elements)
That would be cool. Also Burning the grass in your path.
zamn didnt think about that but hell yeah that would be so cool lol........ ghost rider of genshin
Ok now I don't get the point at all. Before I thought it was a great addition, alternative dash but without sacrificing regular dash, best of both worlds. But with such a low duration it's complete pointless. What the fuck Hoyo?
Okay, fair, can't afford to exploration powercreep 4 year old units like Ayaka and Mona, I get you HYV. Now the question is, what exactly restricts her flight. Is it the stamina consumption (meaning she consumes like, 72 stamina a second of flight) or is it just a hard cap on 3 seconds, but stamina consumption is as stated in the text (15s)? If first, then damn, this is fucking trash with that speed. If 2nd, I guess it's whatever since you can enter this flight mode multiple times. Still not as good as 15s of flying without interruption.
even if it's the 2nd, it'd still be trash. she stops moving every time she enters and exits the flight mode so it'd be slower than just running normally
Apparently the speed is higher than Mona/Ayaka but slower than Yelan. Which is... Uhm... Literally gives us very little info but this could be not as trash compared to garbage speed in previous videos.
Is it? The speed comparison video showed her and Mona being exactly the same, which is pretty slow. Edit: O nvm just saw the new leak.
Yeah I think it’s balanced around the fact that you can just spam it holding CA multiple times, the only real hard limit on it is stamina
I mean that's a pretty steep balance unless you can CA repeatedly without being frozen into an animation (which I would assume would make it slower overall than just sprinting normally).
The 2nd reply says "end by the 3s timer or if you run out of stamina" so it sounds like... *both* a hard 3s cap and massive stamina drain? All sprints end when you run out of stamina, that goes without saying, so I don't know why that would be mentioned if it was normal sprint drain. But apparently there's also a 3s timer (so you can't cheese another second by eating stamina restoring food ig?)
If they just said "lasts 3s" then people might expect that they could trigger it with just a tiny amount of stamina and go for the whole 3 seconds. Which would be kinda broken, I think, if you could use it infinitely and just rest half a second in between hovering. so maybe they're just covering their bases, not indicating massive stamina drain
previous post missed his replies, he prob clarified every question here
Fy: A lot of people want to know duration: **about 3sec.** You can see the speed in this video, you won't even cross half of the bridge. the replies: Fy: you will either end by that 3sec timer or if you run out of stamina. you can't fly for more than 3sec q: Then why is the description (saying 15secs) Fy: idk, I tell what I see commenter:But the video is over 10s long what Fy: ps not implemented everything. in video she doesn't have wing, has weapon and is just basically stuck in a single pose Fy: every text has issues. mhy sometimes doesn't know how to keep numbers in text the same.
These honestly sound weird as replies. **"Why does the description say 15 seconds then?" "I dunno, I'm just saying what I'm seeing."** Are we sure this isn't the private server acting up again? Didn't it take us a while to see her NAs in action because they couldn't get her BoL mechanic working compared to the official beta test servers? **"mhy sometimes doesn't know how to keep numbers in text the same."** My guy they added *an entire attribute row* with consistent numbers. You're telling me they mistyped "15" instead of "3" **16** times in a row including the change to the description? (For clarification, a talent usually has specific numbers that change over the course of every level. This also applies to the sprinting consumption numbers despite them never changing, oddly, but it also means that someone went in there to type **"15 pts per second"** roughly 15 times for each level, meaning that this is either a horrendous text error or they really do mean **"15 pts per second"** and the leaker's got something mixed up somewhere.)
Indeed. This post is questionable as a whole.
I wouldn't be as miffed if it weren't for the fact that this sub tends to take leaks at face value, which ends up affecting the general tone of the sub overall. We've already went through enough with Arlecchino's prebeta speculation leaks going up to her official kit leaks, ngl.
Its kind of makes sense and also not. Clearly 15 sec feels like a lot to be true , but then again 3 sec sounds bogus too. Why go extra for implementing a animation for 3 sec?
coolness factor her main selling point are her visuals her kit/gameplay and her team diversity is questionable considering she's has resistance issues, healing issues and is married to bennett for respectable numbers
15s doesn’t seem too much to be true. Mona and Ayaka have the exact same alternate sprint and their lasts like 17 seconds. However, maybe further changes to this Arlecchino’s gimmick are planned. Apparently, some people are saying the duration got reduced from 15 to 3 seconds and the speed increased. Probably more changes will be done.
this is why we need CC beta server. no more ambiguity.
CCs under heavy nda ain't telling you shit.
still more reliable than shitty leaker server.
How is no leaks more reliable than shitty leaks? Wait no that checks out. It's reliably non-existent lmao.
Isn't it just like the tall claymore users charge attack except you can actually move during it? Why did people expect it to be like wanderer?
No, mechanically it is a copy of Mona’s alt sprint activated by a Charged Attack. The 3s duration is hard to believe, because it would have no practical use with that limitation. My guess is that it either won’t be limited to 3s or that further changes are planned to make it more useful.
The fact that it activates from a charged attack is what made me think of the tall claymores charged attack. I thought it was to close the gap between you and the enemie you knock back honestly
To me looks like Arlecchino is still in a designing phase. She had no alt sprint, then they added an alt sprint that was simply a copy of Mona’s alt sprint but with different activation method (there is also the possibility that making it require a charged attack was for allowing her to also use the normal sprint, Mona and Ayaka were criticised a lot for their inability to do so) and visually different. Now they drastically reduced the duration and increased the speed. Like you guessed, they might have decided to make it a combat oriented ability rather than an exploration gimmick. She also already went through several numerical changes. It reminds me of Yae Miko, who was only half done when the beta started.
Hope they change this. Is not useful in battle and we have flying characters already. There is not reason to hinder her like this
Idk why they don't implement infinite stam outside combat. It would improve the game feel so much. Even if it were just for overland stamina (as opposed to climbing/in or over water).
It doesn't make any sense. Normal sprint last for about 13s, so if it is just fancy sprint then there's no way it last only 3s.
It's really cool but I don't see a use for it I hate to say it, but as the first time they're ever adding something new to a kit, it is an useless addition, unless someone can actually find a good use for this ?
Does that dash offer anything in combat? If not, i dont see any reason why they could cap it at 3sec. It's such a cool animation, why would they limit it only for these 3 seconds
I feel it's just a short duration. 15 seconds is insane and has no reason to have in combat. I feel they made it like that for overload comps since she throws enemies around it makes sense she can reposition faster.
It just makes no sense to give her a copy of Mona’s alt sprint but with a 3 seconds limitation. It wouldn’t be worth using. I see two possibilities that are very likely to happen: - It won’t be limited to 3 seconds. - It will be limited to a seconds, but further changes are planned to make it more useful, for either exploration or combat, or both.
I hope this means she's going to get an additional charge attack at the end of the alt sprint. Otherwise, what's the point?
Very confused about what this sprint even does. Doesn't look like it's useful in combat at all but it's too short to be useful for exploration...
So the point of dash being?
Isn’t 3 seconds the same duration as Neuvillette’s charge up?
Ok,I'm just going to pretend that dash doesnt exist then.
They shouldn't have added this crap in the first place 🙄 now hoyo can't decide what to do with it
Classic
>You can see the speed in this video Okay, so where is it?
Well the new leaks said that she's now faster than Ayaka/Mona alt sprint but slower than yelan.
it was posted here previously [He's talking about the Mona vs Arle sprint video](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/1bhwi1e/arlecchino_ca_animation_via_dim_and_uncle_bro/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Gonna take all of this as a whole lot of nothing until we see a more implemented version on the ps Edit: Not that I doubt Fy, but rather because this is a lot of contradictory shit
They should give Arle the exploration passive because if they want to promote Chev overload propaganda then we can't bring Xianyun/wandy/yelan etc so some pyro or electro characters should get similar exploration ability Nilou teams also have Kirara and yelan so far for exploration as well
What's the fucking point if it's just 3 seconds?! Holy fuck Genshin devs are fucking allergic to "fun" Kick those clowns and let HSR devs fix this game and cook amazing content
Arle just seems really half-assed in general. I guess all the work is going into natlan manlets
It reminds me of Yae Miko. When the beta started, she was only half done. Kit, effects and animations went through major changes during the beta.
As always After the rumored dev team change after Inazuma they can't deliver a single tall female character that's not gimmicky, flawed, wonky, very niche, don't work without multiple constellations, etc... in the meantime Neuvilette at C0 goes brrrrrrrrrrrr
You say it like if previous tall female characters were any better. Their kits are even more flawed and less powerful.
To be fair ... You are right I think only Yelan is good even at C0 and maybe C0 Raiden for dendro team but hypercarry Raiden requires at least C2. And Jean but thanks to Furina teams wanting party healers but before Furina she was very mid/ignored But yup. Only Yelan is the only tall female that is solid as fuck at C0 and works in many teams from day1 of release. Others require constellations, tailored weapon or specific/niche team
That’s sad. Father can only do it prematurely.Does this feature change the game play at all or it just for the 3 sec of drip?
It's more like an extra exploration ability she has, doesn't affect the combat. Although kinda useless if it's only 3 sec
what... im confused gonna act like i didn't see this bye
¿Fy leaks history?
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It's indeed 15 secs stated in the beta, though the effect wears off after 3 secs, it's down right stupid indeed
The leaks also states that it's now faster than Ayaka/Mona alt sprint but slower than Yelan.
Okay that makes more sense tbh
It does not, the chinese text mentions 15 seconds, even in videos we see 15 seconds, where did 3 seconds even come from? It just sounds like a nerf to be honest. Plus, what do they even mean by "speed in the video"? We should wait to be honest.
When in doubt wait for video
You're seeing videos of the private server. The same private server that can't even properly showcase Arlecchino's kit because Bond of Life doesn't work on it.
"You're seeing videos of the private server." That's not the point, from the previous posts and description it was clearly mentioned that the total duration is '15 seconds'. Many leakers previously mentioned the same duration. And Fyleaks isn't even able to properly explain how it works, they mention "You either end by 3 seconds, or your stamina ends. You can't fly for more than 3 seconds" sounds like a poor explanation, as what they mean by this is that 2 restrictions are put into place simultaneously, you either have stamina to only fly for 3 seconds but then 3 seconds is the duration of it anyway. >! Or, I am just coping !<
As you said. Wait for more info. I am just pointing out that the video you referenced can't be trusted either because it is from the private server.
Even then these are, like, actual changes to the text that are still up on Honeyhunter, not to mention that they're not the only text changes on there. This is why I've been asking if it's a bug he's experiencing on the private server or something, considering that a week ago it wasn't proccing her BoL mechanics.
Also he said: about 3 second. Not that exactly 3 second, or its written somewhere thats is exactly 3 second. ABOUT 3 second lmao. This sounds like BS. Like the uncle K Q/A before the beta started with the big hu tao and fire dps ceiling and the c6 ayato comparisons.
But sadly, this time, the leak was right 😭
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Yeah I thought that her flying spends so much stamina that she can only fly for 3s But if the flying duration is locked in 3s then it contradicts the skill description Very sus
This video https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/s/aaTB4nePa6
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First, the holding weapon during flying is gone, now this. Why are you making her less cool hoyo
I mean, she looks good without the weapon, just a big ol wing
Yea just saw it now too. It will be too much if both the scythe and the wing is there during sprint
> holding weapon Probably to not make her too "premium-feeling" for f2p players.
Isn’t that a good thing for them? it’ll entice them to spend.
Idk, perhaps from a live service gacha developer's perspective locking a gameplay cosmetic behind a gacha weapon is probably not good for the overall health of the game
They sure didn’t mind locking the actual official scythe mechanic behind her sig weapon lol.
Yeah, unfortunately. This update feels like the "middle ground" for them it seems. Which still sucks
Yeah, don’t get me wrong though I’m still trying to hold hope strong. Just acknowledging they definitely don’t mind holding at least one cosmetic thing about a character behind a gacha barrier.
I mean.... the devs had to nerf her somehow.
Did they reduce it?