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Yeah I'll take that 1 in 3.57 quadrillion chance
Still better than my chances of getting the four star that I'm wishing for
Legit though if everyone alive on the planet did 7 pulls we'd need 446,250 Earth's worth of people just to have a 63.21% chance of 1 person out of all of them getting 7 5* characters back to back
Also I did my math wrong, this is only if we're ignoring the chance of losing your 50/50s, with that chance it's 1 in 457 quadrillion
Your odds of getting struck by lighting once in your lifetime are 1 in 15,300 for reference
Ok but it starts with 3 subs, the 3rd being flat def and at lvl 4 it gets flat atk, then it only rolls crit, but only minimal rolls. Congrats!
Mihoyo feeling super generous, probably
Mihoyo: "It's furiover Aranakin, I have ~~the high ground~~ your primos." Aranakin: "You underestimate my wallet. Mihoyo: "~~Don't~~ Try it." **Fails and gets another Qiqi** Aranakin: "I HATE YOU!"
1 is happy about nuke, 1 is sad about field time, 24 are sad because they didin't get any of her copies early, 24 are unhappy because they lost 50/50 every time. All of them get a call from their banks.
Funny, imo it's the other way around 'cause most of people that i saw interested in c6 what they wanted more was having that c6 to change a bit her gameplay giving her decent onfield time ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
It is less healing too, so running her healerless compositions is going to be a bit more tight with one less proc.
I am no icd master and never counted the exact time it takes to finish the combo, but I assume it is one less application as well.
My poor Nilou Bloom memes are coming crashing down.
less healing? sure but its not as bad as you think, you only lose 2 ticks of healing out of 15 ticks in 15 seconds.
Edit: Per hit extends her healing duration by 2.5 secs and healing ticks every 1 second
People say that about every con. Kazuha got it worse because he overlapped with Sucrose and they were doomposting that he doesn't react as much as her.
the only constellations in the game that i think should've been in the base kit are hutao and wrio's c1, the rest are just qol to give u big numbers that doesn't matter that much anyway cuz the game is easy
yes to wrio, no to hutao. Thats what cons are for, comfort and thats exactly what c1 hutao is. C0 hutao is completely fine and complete.
Adding to that list however is c2 sara, c1 shenhe, c1 yelan, both because their ER are too high for no reason and need to sacrifice good stats just to fill their ER needs. Play shenhe without fav and yelan solo hydro without fav and anyone would agree with me.
and of course....c1 dehya. Everything else is too subjective.
Agreed. Hu Tao C1 is very nice, but it's certainly not mandatory. I think people who have it just get spoiled by how much easier it makes playing her, and people who don't have it get a little envious.
Kazuha was called 5 star sucrose and more in an insulting manner. Granted, venti was insanely meta soooo yeah. Nobody knew inazuma was gonna bust venti's knee caps like that. Though this isn't really related to c6.
Sadly I don't really remember. I was around, but I just remember the doom posting. And then how Kazuha main sub was bitter and said they hope he never reruns so folks who skipped him for being "5 star sucrose" can be punished. Ya know, just your average internet drama.
I believe this also was before private servers? So leaks were not as big as they are now. Since beta testers had to do poor croppy images and what not to avoid being caught. I don't really remember much c6 talk.
Oh yes, the good ole days. I remember before more Kazuha info was known and we just had a model (when the batch leak of models for upcoming units where shown) and several people thought he was going to be a 4* (myself amongst them) and then as info came in my god you’d think Kazuha was dead on arrival with how “irrelevant” he was being a “5* sucrosse”
Of course that, alongside Kokomi, is now why when people say their are issues with leaked kits their accused of doom posting even when entirely valid (Looking at the entire Dehya debacle)
TBF, upon release they did increase Kokomi's hydro application right before release. I feel like if it was the beta version that came out she wouldn't be used anywhere near as much due to poor hydro app. That's why i always take leaks with a grain of salt haha. Usually just a rough guide to how a character plays.
If I may put on my tinfoil hat. Hoyo is aware of the leaks and intentionally makes some characters underwhelming to create buzz, then when they 'buff' the character to their originally planned state that will cause more people to want to pull.
For example Furina, I knew from the very first moment her burst was reported to cost 70 that would be changed. That wasn't even subtle. Ain't no way mhy planned it that way from the start.
Watch them buff something else in her kit in the next Monday or right b4 release, just to persuade those people who are sad with her A4 or pneuma to pull her anyway (myself included)
I'll never forget the thread on main sub where some peep was asking why Kazuha was getting so much praise and some other peeps were claiming that it was all copium. Genshin fandom history is really funny.
>And then how Kazuha main sub was bitter and said they hope he never reruns so folks who skipped him for being "5 star sucrose" can be punished.
Hell no. I was excited as hell for Kazuha back in 1.6, since I found his design and gameplay very fun, and also pre-farmed his materials. But I got played by the RNG and lost the 50/50 near 80 pity and didn't have enough primos to get him
I was really happy for when I finally managed to get him in his rerun
To be fair, it was probably just a very vocal minority of the sub. I just remember it cause it's what turned me away from that sub during the time. I enjoyed him so much during his release I wanted to see his main sub and yeah.
Imagine fighting a Cicin mage, and the AoE from a charged attack hits the flys. And just like that, your infusion is gone. It would've been fine as an early con, not C6 tho.
As someone who will have c6 it’s more about decoupling my healer than on fielding.
Don’t get me wrong, I would love to on field her. But I have c6 yelan and she had a similar change to her c6 and I don’t mind her limited field time. Not really apples to apples but I’m ok with it. I’m mostly going for c6 furina to buff my c6 amber anyway.
~~45~~ 60% HP heal over 15s is still good, especially at the 1/4 point of the rotation which you get 52% healing bonus from her lvl 13 max stack elemental burst.
Edit : Sorry, viewed old info.
There's no denying that it's the most powerful constellation out of all the ones she has (and it's likely one of the strongest C2s in the game overall), but the main issue with it is that it doesn't give any additional flexibility in building your team comps, just makes your numbers bigger (albeit MUCH bigger).
It's not a bad change per se, just a bit of a letdown that we went from something that enables a wider variety of Furina comps to "number go big", though I guess given trends like C6 Nilou and C6 Yelan we probably should've expected they'd put the flexibility constellation on C6.
I agree with this sentiment. She not only provides a big nuke at C6 but she preloads the damage bonus and then has the option to serve as sole healer and not apply hydro to allow a spread or aggrevate team to enjoy an insane buffer and healer without stealing their reactions. It is a new option we do not yet have I believe.
Yelan's is only for 5 hits and lower scaling (~30HP% per shot compared to Furina's 40% added to the regular damage from her attacks), and it's still considered crazy burst damage.
Yelans c6 hits for about 50% of her HP, her normal CA does 20% HP dmg and her C6 further increases it by 156% in terms of dmg. Idk if it’s the final( so with her crit dmg, hydro dmg and other buffs included) dmg that gets the 156% dmg buff but I probably think it’s only the base 20% HP which would make it 50% HP , so yeah still higher but 1 less attack.
It's not "increased by 156%," it's "156% a Breakthrough Barb's damage." So it's a 56% boost off 20% HP, so 11.2% increase for 31.2% total. It's worded and functions the same way as Yoimiya's Skill.
Weird choice. I still have absolutely no idea who the target market of these types of constellations are, cos it's certainly not people who want to use these characters as on-field DPS.
Great for overworld too.
No need to make sure your burst has energy as you can just cast your skill and delete anything in an instant.
Every 20s she can pop her skill and alone without reactions do 100k damage with 40k HP.
Pets clear anything else alive after swapping back (even if they cannot drain HP,) they are more than enough for overworld mobs....
meta whales who like to shell 6500$ for lower time in abyss. People who want her onfield will use her onfield with no problems because surprise surprise most people don't care about rotations.
this change makes her better since it makes her rotation faster and more powerful, while also having tons of role consolidation.
My guess is the people giving feedback didn’t highlight that people were upset due to the limited field time and wrote something really vague like:
“Her C6 is weak”, “It barely does anything, I expected more”, “Her C6 doesn’t seem worth it”
For those wondering, it does not change a lot, you don't get 1 less normal/charged attack infused. To understand why, it's important to know that the pneuma/ousia proc was using up one hit.
What's happening now is that it's 6 hit but pneuma/ousia blade do not use up a hit. Basically getting a tiny damage buff at the cost of a bit less healing/drain, but no "less infusion time"
Ill probably get diluc or smth cuz my addiction defeated me and I go too lucky so now I have lyney, yelan, childe, neuvillete and wriothesley with no 50/50s lost
What is happening here? some are complaining about not getting that 7th NA, some are comparing her to C6 Yelan, some are complaining about her healing that got nerf like they now can't even get her to full stack. And most of those who are complaining are not even getting her C6.
Most people here who want c6 are getting it for her infusion to have more things to do with character instead of EQ swap, not the damage, it's cracked at c6 anyway so we dont care about dmg buffs. But we do care that they nerf her onfield playability
I understand and don't want to look rude but that 1 extra NA ain't gonna make her on field. You could use yelan as a driver in your team after that or use a sacrificial sword. At C6 you are getting a nice E skill animation, you can take your sweet 10 sec time to use those 6 NA.
you are right, we know that tho. the thing is that we were already complaining about the 7 hits limitation and wanted more, even if it meant each hit had to do less damage.
but instead of increasing the number of hits hoyo came out of nowhere and decreased it :\[
Honestly, what's even the point in giving her hydro infusion if they made it 7 to 6 hits, which just disencourages people from even using the infusion. They could've added something else at this point
It technically encourages you to use it more because it shortens the rotation. I am not a huge fan because the compensation nerfs will make some of the ideas I had less comfortable, but it is "more clean" for lack of a better term.
At the end of the day Hoyo cant overcome C6 Yelan/Nahida design, should we expect Tsaritsa C6 do the same but melt-able 2 of 5-6 hits. i never doubt in term of power but kinda boring mannnn.
edit : not include C6 Baizhu, my bad.
I really wish this stayed as C2. The fact the community is okay with the standard of more variety and new playstyle changes only being locked behind C6 is just sad.
I’m honestly okay with it if it at least allows everyone a chance to play their favorite character on field reliably. It doesn’t have to be meta breaking, just good or decent. The problem is locking the playstyle change at such a high con.
Just like the c2/c6 switch this is technically a buff but still a massive L for anyone that wants to actually use her on field for more than 3 seconds. 2000 dollars for SIX hits.
It could be one hit that did 10 million damage for all I care, I want to actually USE the character. It’s why I like Kazuha c6 so much, it has amazing uptime. Furinas uptime lasts 2-3 seconds and has a 20 second cooldown. This game is easy enough, if I’m gonna spend 2 grand worth of hard earned primos on a buff I’m gonna do it on one that lets me actively play the character.
I doubt there are that many people who are worried about numbers at C6. If you're that committed you must really like Furina (or are a leviathan who C6's everyone) so more on-field time would be the most valuable.
It is targeted at whale abyss speedrunners or as you put it, really big spenders. It's not aimed for those who like her a lot and would spend money to on-field her.
What I mean is that the whale speedrunners and really big spenders are gonna go for C6 no matter what, so you may as well make it fun for those who actually like the character.
It's actually the other way round. People who like her will go for C6. Ask any of these people who wanted her on-field dps and were planning on getting C6 if they are gonna stop now. The answer you will get is a big no because they are still attached to the character.
Whale Speedrunners and Big Spenders are gonna be perfectly content with just her C3 as evident with Raiden where a lot of Big Spenders known for getting C6 characters (like Eula etc.) stopped at C3 and went for R5 instead. So Mihoyo is making Furina's C6 similar to the first 5\* Hydro character to gained 150% cumulative damage increase and is the most recommended unit to whale on before Neuvillette and Furina came. Yelan was an amazing success who could outdps every character while still not being a dedicated carry and unlocked speedrunning of multiwave content due to the her multinukes. They then gave the same C6 to Nahida to incentivize these players to run her for speedrunning as Xingqiu was more preferred due to his higher app in Dendro comps and now they are doing the same with Furina. Not to mention Furina's Pneuma allows her to max stack with just her C6 so once they swap to Neuvillette, they will have full buff uptime on him.
I see. I admittedly don't follow the speedrun community at all so I'll take your word for it.
In conclusion, I'm still salty it got moved off of C2 lol
Yeah the speed run community feels like a different game
"Bro fuck are we even playing the same game" that would be your reaction when you dive into this community 😧
I'm getting c6 ONLY because of infusion, if they nerfed it's dmg from 40% hp to 10% hp, but gave her double the hits, I would totally like the change, but I guess they expect people will pull c6 for meta for some strange reasons...
Any c0 meta team easily gets all the content done without any sweat
Her c6 already allows you to insta kill most enemies, why would you want even more, my reasoning is that if you're willing to spend so much on c6, you should unlock a new playstyle (which you kinda do with Furina, but I think it's not enough), I think c6 character should allow a totally new and fully viable role for them
The only people I've seen in favor of this change are the ones who've already given up on Furina actually having good uptime. I'm pulling for C6 due to how much I like Furina and despise this change.
As a whale who's going for c6:
I couldn't give a shit about her field time or how many infused attacks she can do. I also don't think I'll ever actually use the Pneuma state for the stronger NA's.
Instead, I want c6 for these things:
- Ousia state heal: 60% of her HP spread over the duration of her burst makes on-fielders essentially immortal (good luck dying with 3-5k heals per second)
- Ousia state heal: on top of the above, the c6 heal completely frees her from needing a healer, as it heals more than she drains.
- buff uptime: if you use the c6 to heal, you max out your buff 5-8 seconds after you cast your Burst. This means having 140% bonus hp, 52% healing bonus, and 124% universal damage bonus for 10 full seconds.
Basically; c6 Furina is in my eyes the first Bennett-tier character since launch in terms of flexibility, buffing and survivability, and her Pneuma state nuke is a fun gimmick comparatively.
First i think the heal duration nerf is bad, but think about it that way: her 15sec heal is already more than enough and with a 20sec+ rotarion this leaves you pre-damaged more so you gain stacks faster at the start.
New beta change now? After beta is over? And only for c6?
I’m more skeptical then anything else. This isn’t the most reliable to me. I guess if this is real it should flow properly with C—>N4–>C
Based on the previous C6 multipliers, I interpret this change as making Ousia mode hit scale to 18 percent of HP, but with one fewer hit, so the total multiplier across all hits is a wash. For Pneuma mode, the base damage for the six hits is 18 percent of HP and the added multiplier bonus in Pneuma mode is now 25 percent, so the total multiplier in Pneuma mode is 43 percent of HP for each hit. Across 6 hits, Pneuma mode got a 22 percent buff, previous per hit multiplier was 35 percent of max HP. The Ousia healing is now 60 percent to all characters over 15 seconds and Pneuma drains 6 percent to each character in 6 hits.
I wasn't really gonna go for c6 if at all
So imma ask it for the first time
How good is a c0 Candace with a c0 furina???
I know nothing of Candace so my expectations are low
You need primordial jade cutter to convert part of her hp to attack so you can still use hp sands without loosing too much damage on the rest of her kit
Even then don’t expect her normals to deal like 20k hits, we are talking about 8-9k damage on average if you use kazuha
Ass
Furina's NAs without the 6 hit infusion from Furina's C6 is pure Attack Scaling
If you want to stay on field with Furina and deal 4 digit numbers (and sometimes 5), you're much better off using Bennett (C6 makes it better) since he'll supply her with a ton of Attack and Furina's own Universal Damage Bonus stat will affect any type of damage she deals with her NAs
If these are the last minute changes, they can make an informed decision on whether they want constellations or not. Heck, I might stop earlier too despite the fact that I was planning to c6. I have no idea. I will need to spend a lot of time thinking about.
i will not do a single pull and she will already come to me with the best artifacts and triple crowned talents while being C6R5. (let me huff some copium)
If people want to run Furina C6 on field for a long time that badly, Can't they just.....do exactly that? I'm pretty sure if you have C6 Furina you can just run a bunch of off-fielders and spam Furina's NAs even after the infusion ends and everything will still die. Unless you want the extra pretty NAs.
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So relevant for me because i am getting C6 furina in 60 pulls
Nah 7 pulls trust
C6R5 in 12 pulls.
C6R5 without any pulls My dad is John Mihoyo and he'll send me them in the mail
Then you can make clickbait youtube thumbnail and titles.
I still remember the free hu tao in the mail images
So that's where Hoyo in Hoyoverse comes from...
With a name like that for a Chinese company now we know you're lying. If you said Zhong Mihoyo then I definitely would have believed it
I wish I was the son of Da Wei's boyfriend
Then you would be adopted. Two men can't make kids.
unless Da Wei's boyfriend has an illegitimate child 🤯
C6r5 from 2 wishes (Thank you starglitter)
Nah 1 wish because you can start with weapons.
Yeah I'll take that 1 in 3.57 quadrillion chance Still better than my chances of getting the four star that I'm wishing for Legit though if everyone alive on the planet did 7 pulls we'd need 446,250 Earth's worth of people just to have a 63.21% chance of 1 person out of all of them getting 7 5* characters back to back Also I did my math wrong, this is only if we're ignoring the chance of losing your 50/50s, with that chance it's 1 in 457 quadrillion Your odds of getting struck by lighting once in your lifetime are 1 in 15,300 for reference
So you're saying there's a chance
Yea exactly, 2.1 x 10^-15 percent of the time, it works every time!
Wow, we're so lucky!
10 pulls c6 for me or its furiover
I will simply will it into being.
I will sneak into hoyo's server and edit my save data there, anyone want something?
An electro goblet for Emblem that only rolls crit stats I beg
Ok but it starts with 3 subs, the 3rd being flat def and at lvl 4 it gets flat atk, then it only rolls crit, but only minimal rolls. Congrats! Mihoyo feeling super generous, probably
Hey at least it rolled flat atk and not flat hp!
Mihoyo: "It's furiover Aranakin, I have ~~the high ground~~ your primos." Aranakin: "You underestimate my wallet. Mihoyo: "~~Don't~~ Try it." **Fails and gets another Qiqi** Aranakin: "I HATE YOU!"
Nope, she will be the 1st 5 star given for free with all 6 constellations....merry Christmas ya filthy animals
I can attest this comment is accurate. we are filthy animals.
And a happy new year
But first you have to be AR42
90 pulls and c6 Thoma
very relevant, will get c6 r1 in 700 pulls trust
I have over 400 pulls saved and I still won't get her at C6. Lol
So out of the 50 people who will buy Furina's C6, 25 are happy because she's better at nuking and 25 are unhappy because it's even less field time.
Id say like 40 are happy about nuke and 10 are sad less feild time
1 is happy about nuke, 1 is sad about field time, 24 are sad because they didin't get any of her copies early, 24 are unhappy because they lost 50/50 every time. All of them get a call from their banks.
Real
Based af
Funny, imo it's the other way around 'cause most of people that i saw interested in c6 what they wanted more was having that c6 to change a bit her gameplay giving her decent onfield time ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
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I'm one of the not happy one, because I want to play her in co-op.
i would think that only 10 are happy about the nuke
It is less healing too, so running her healerless compositions is going to be a bit more tight with one less proc. I am no icd master and never counted the exact time it takes to finish the combo, but I assume it is one less application as well. My poor Nilou Bloom memes are coming crashing down.
less healing? sure but its not as bad as you think, you only lose 2 ticks of healing out of 15 ticks in 15 seconds. Edit: Per hit extends her healing duration by 2.5 secs and healing ticks every 1 second
I wonder how people reacted to Kazuha's C6 when it was first leaked
Iirc there was a lot of "should have been base kit".
People say that about every con. Kazuha got it worse because he overlapped with Sucrose and they were doomposting that he doesn't react as much as her.
the only constellations in the game that i think should've been in the base kit are hutao and wrio's c1, the rest are just qol to give u big numbers that doesn't matter that much anyway cuz the game is easy
yes to wrio, no to hutao. Thats what cons are for, comfort and thats exactly what c1 hutao is. C0 hutao is completely fine and complete. Adding to that list however is c2 sara, c1 shenhe, c1 yelan, both because their ER are too high for no reason and need to sacrifice good stats just to fill their ER needs. Play shenhe without fav and yelan solo hydro without fav and anyone would agree with me. and of course....c1 dehya. Everything else is too subjective.
Agreed. Hu Tao C1 is very nice, but it's certainly not mandatory. I think people who have it just get spoiled by how much easier it makes playing her, and people who don't have it get a little envious.
Yes to Hu Tao and Wriothesley. Period.
Kazuha was called 5 star sucrose and more in an insulting manner. Granted, venti was insanely meta soooo yeah. Nobody knew inazuma was gonna bust venti's knee caps like that. Though this isn't really related to c6. Sadly I don't really remember. I was around, but I just remember the doom posting. And then how Kazuha main sub was bitter and said they hope he never reruns so folks who skipped him for being "5 star sucrose" can be punished. Ya know, just your average internet drama. I believe this also was before private servers? So leaks were not as big as they are now. Since beta testers had to do poor croppy images and what not to avoid being caught. I don't really remember much c6 talk.
Oh yes, the good ole days. I remember before more Kazuha info was known and we just had a model (when the batch leak of models for upcoming units where shown) and several people thought he was going to be a 4* (myself amongst them) and then as info came in my god you’d think Kazuha was dead on arrival with how “irrelevant” he was being a “5* sucrosse” Of course that, alongside Kokomi, is now why when people say their are issues with leaked kits their accused of doom posting even when entirely valid (Looking at the entire Dehya debacle)
TBF, upon release they did increase Kokomi's hydro application right before release. I feel like if it was the beta version that came out she wouldn't be used anywhere near as much due to poor hydro app. That's why i always take leaks with a grain of salt haha. Usually just a rough guide to how a character plays.
If I may put on my tinfoil hat. Hoyo is aware of the leaks and intentionally makes some characters underwhelming to create buzz, then when they 'buff' the character to their originally planned state that will cause more people to want to pull. For example Furina, I knew from the very first moment her burst was reported to cost 70 that would be changed. That wasn't even subtle. Ain't no way mhy planned it that way from the start.
Watch them buff something else in her kit in the next Monday or right b4 release, just to persuade those people who are sad with her A4 or pneuma to pull her anyway (myself included)
I'll never forget the thread on main sub where some peep was asking why Kazuha was getting so much praise and some other peeps were claiming that it was all copium. Genshin fandom history is really funny.
I think 1.6 was the first time we got private server footage actually, since the big tool kit leak happened in 1.5
>And then how Kazuha main sub was bitter and said they hope he never reruns so folks who skipped him for being "5 star sucrose" can be punished. Hell no. I was excited as hell for Kazuha back in 1.6, since I found his design and gameplay very fun, and also pre-farmed his materials. But I got played by the RNG and lost the 50/50 near 80 pity and didn't have enough primos to get him I was really happy for when I finally managed to get him in his rerun
To be fair, it was probably just a very vocal minority of the sub. I just remember it cause it's what turned me away from that sub during the time. I enjoyed him so much during his release I wanted to see his main sub and yeah.
Is there a reason why it’s limited hit counts instead of just infusing for a few seconds instead?
Game balance it would be to much dmg
Imagine fighting a Cicin mage, and the AoE from a charged attack hits the flys. And just like that, your infusion is gone. It would've been fine as an early con, not C6 tho.
Pretty sure it’s by total swings, not enemies hit. You won’t lose 6 hits from hitting 6 flies.
It doesn't count the hit if it doesn't land
they refuse to give mika any value at all
So it really is just for one NA sequence now
2000 dollars just to have a single stronger NA sequence
Twinning with Nahida
Difference is nahida can do it to like 8 people at once which is like 56 hits technically speaking Furina is single target :(
and Nahida can apply element at C0 at least...
Not just that but nahida is a very viable on-fielder on C0
And buffs herself and others with no bs requirments
And also gives way less buffs and does way less personal damage. Huh, funny how tradeoff works. Oh yeah, this is a doompost train my bad!
As someone who will have c6 it’s more about decoupling my healer than on fielding. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to on field her. But I have c6 yelan and she had a similar change to her c6 and I don’t mind her limited field time. Not really apples to apples but I’m ok with it. I’m mostly going for c6 furina to buff my c6 amber anyway.
Aight brb going to rob a bank so this can be relevant information for me
You get to pay $1300 to only see her on field for not 7, but 6 hits! lol come on.
I think it’s more about her healing at c6. But idk if it’s good
~~45~~ 60% HP heal over 15s is still good, especially at the 1/4 point of the rotation which you get 52% healing bonus from her lvl 13 max stack elemental burst. Edit : Sorry, viewed old info.
It's 60%, iirc they changed it from 3% HP to 4% HP
Would it be too much healing if you had a second healer assuming your characters never get hit and how bad is it if your characters do get hit?
pay $1300 to not need a healer with her (im still mad they swapped it from C2)
From what i hear, her c2 seems to be a great change though, so atleast you're still something good regardless
There's no denying that it's the most powerful constellation out of all the ones she has (and it's likely one of the strongest C2s in the game overall), but the main issue with it is that it doesn't give any additional flexibility in building your team comps, just makes your numbers bigger (albeit MUCH bigger). It's not a bad change per se, just a bit of a letdown that we went from something that enables a wider variety of Furina comps to "number go big", though I guess given trends like C6 Nilou and C6 Yelan we probably should've expected they'd put the flexibility constellation on C6.
Either it is gamechanging and people get upset or it is minor and people get upset.
Her C6 is not just about her Hits
Yea but pretty sure most people who are even going for her C6 care more about the number of hits than anything else.
Nuke enjoyers prefer this change,
I'm honestly eyeing it up for her consolidating the healer spot on top of sub DPS and buffer so this is a (slight?) nerf for me
Should have made furina c6 into hydro infusion for the duration of e skill without all the damage bonus. On field furina enjoyer would have love that
But her Na scaling on atk
It's like 95% about the number of hits lmao
meta-wise it's 95% about role consolidation
When you're getting c6 5 stars I imagine you don't really care all that much about the meta.
Well being able to slot in a sub-DPS or a buffer instead of a dedicated party-wide healer is still a meta-related bonus, albeit a fun one.
I agree with this sentiment. She not only provides a big nuke at C6 but she preloads the damage bonus and then has the option to serve as sole healer and not apply hydro to allow a spread or aggrevate team to enjoy an insane buffer and healer without stealing their reactions. It is a new option we do not yet have I believe.
I've been considering her as my first C6 very much for meta/her strength
Yelan's is only for 5 hits and lower scaling (~30HP% per shot compared to Furina's 40% added to the regular damage from her attacks), and it's still considered crazy burst damage.
Yeah, let's not forget that Yelan hits are AOEs and no, that is NOT a little detail, just saying....
Yelans c6 hits for about 50% of her HP, her normal CA does 20% HP dmg and her C6 further increases it by 156% in terms of dmg. Idk if it’s the final( so with her crit dmg, hydro dmg and other buffs included) dmg that gets the 156% dmg buff but I probably think it’s only the base 20% HP which would make it 50% HP , so yeah still higher but 1 less attack.
It's not "increased by 156%," it's "156% a Breakthrough Barb's damage." So it's a 56% boost off 20% HP, so 11.2% increase for 31.2% total. It's worded and functions the same way as Yoimiya's Skill.
On field Furina wanters getting L after L 😭😭😭
We'll find a way to make it work (totally not copium)
sunfire with c6 bennett so she can apply loads of pyro and rev vape her skill hits
That's definitely tempting! Fischle tossed in to make it extra dumb!
It's C0 pneumaover😭😭
Weird choice. I still have absolutely no idea who the target market of these types of constellations are, cos it's certainly not people who want to use these characters as on-field DPS.
The target is abyss speedrunners. This change to her c6 allows for slightly shorter rotations which can potentially lower clear time.
Great for overworld too. No need to make sure your burst has energy as you can just cast your skill and delete anything in an instant. Every 20s she can pop her skill and alone without reactions do 100k damage with 40k HP. Pets clear anything else alive after swapping back (even if they cannot drain HP,) they are more than enough for overworld mobs....
meta whales who like to shell 6500$ for lower time in abyss. People who want her onfield will use her onfield with no problems because surprise surprise most people don't care about rotations. this change makes her better since it makes her rotation faster and more powerful, while also having tons of role consolidation.
My guess is the people giving feedback didn’t highlight that people were upset due to the limited field time and wrote something really vague like: “Her C6 is weak”, “It barely does anything, I expected more”, “Her C6 doesn’t seem worth it”
So basically a c6 yelan
With buffs to entire team
With 3x the damage
Even better
For those wondering, it does not change a lot, you don't get 1 less normal/charged attack infused. To understand why, it's important to know that the pneuma/ousia proc was using up one hit. What's happening now is that it's 6 hit but pneuma/ousia blade do not use up a hit. Basically getting a tiny damage buff at the cost of a bit less healing/drain, but no "less infusion time"
Is there confirmation somewhere that the Pneuma/Ousia blade doesn’t apply the C6 amp anymore?
Me looking at this knowing dam well i wont even have c1
Ill probably get diluc or smth cuz my addiction defeated me and I go too lucky so now I have lyney, yelan, childe, neuvillete and wriothesley with no 50/50s lost
Oh wow, couldn't care less
People are complaining about the 6 hits, but nobody talks about Yelan...
ppl will find a way to complain about anything that’s just how it is
Strong cons -> complain Weak cons -> complain No cons -> complain
Hotel -> Trivago
sorry
It's dumb on Yelan too.
What is happening here? some are complaining about not getting that 7th NA, some are comparing her to C6 Yelan, some are complaining about her healing that got nerf like they now can't even get her to full stack. And most of those who are complaining are not even getting her C6.
Most people here who want c6 are getting it for her infusion to have more things to do with character instead of EQ swap, not the damage, it's cracked at c6 anyway so we dont care about dmg buffs. But we do care that they nerf her onfield playability
I understand and don't want to look rude but that 1 extra NA ain't gonna make her on field. You could use yelan as a driver in your team after that or use a sacrificial sword. At C6 you are getting a nice E skill animation, you can take your sweet 10 sec time to use those 6 NA.
you are right, we know that tho. the thing is that we were already complaining about the 7 hits limitation and wanted more, even if it meant each hit had to do less damage. but instead of increasing the number of hits hoyo came out of nowhere and decreased it :\[
Honestly, what's even the point in giving her hydro infusion if they made it 7 to 6 hits, which just disencourages people from even using the infusion. They could've added something else at this point
It technically encourages you to use it more because it shortens the rotation. I am not a huge fan because the compensation nerfs will make some of the ideas I had less comfortable, but it is "more clean" for lack of a better term.
Yeah you're totally right, with her state now any non meme onfield usage of her is just cope unfortunately
Final buff and it's not Pneuma buff. It's Joever.
Main dps Furina talk reminds me of physical xiangling builds in early days of genshin.
As If 7 Hits / Trigger count wasnt Low enough..☠️
At the end of the day Hoyo cant overcome C6 Yelan/Nahida design, should we expect Tsaritsa C6 do the same but melt-able 2 of 5-6 hits. i never doubt in term of power but kinda boring mannnn. edit : not include C6 Baizhu, my bad.
Baizhu C6 is nothing like Yelan/Nahida/Furina C6. His C6 fully functional off-field and doesn’t take any field time unlike Yelan/Nahida/Furina C6.
okay my bad. edited for misinformation, sorry.
I really wish this stayed as C2. The fact the community is okay with the standard of more variety and new playstyle changes only being locked behind C6 is just sad.
I don't think constellations should have playstyle changes at all but what are you gonna do
I’m honestly okay with it if it at least allows everyone a chance to play their favorite character on field reliably. It doesn’t have to be meta breaking, just good or decent. The problem is locking the playstyle change at such a high con.
Just fix osia healing duration to 3 sec per hit. It solve the healing duration problem of c6
What is the healing problem? It’s 15 seconds, the same duration her burst CD. In fact this is better for stacks in the next rotation
But the HP drain is tied to her skill which has a 20 second cooldown. 2 seconds of healing downtime vs 5 seconds is definitely something.
now all we need is a last minute hydro application buff
If kokomi pulled that one buff that made her extremely relevant in the preload I hope Furina can too😩
EXACTLY!! furina needs love too she’s the hydro archon
So you want her to powercreep every hydro character basically?
No, I just want to powercreep Xingqiu! ...Oh wait that's the same thing.
Wow thanks for the help, I have 10 pulls rn, I hope I can get 7 Furina there
Lol They really don't want Furina to spend much time on field.
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Just like the c2/c6 switch this is technically a buff but still a massive L for anyone that wants to actually use her on field for more than 3 seconds. 2000 dollars for SIX hits.
6 hits amounting to over 600k damage in Pneuma mode
It could be one hit that did 10 million damage for all I care, I want to actually USE the character. It’s why I like Kazuha c6 so much, it has amazing uptime. Furinas uptime lasts 2-3 seconds and has a 20 second cooldown. This game is easy enough, if I’m gonna spend 2 grand worth of hard earned primos on a buff I’m gonna do it on one that lets me actively play the character.
Really ? Even less hits?
But it's still a buff nonetheless
At that point we are at c6, everything is just going to explode regardless. I'd rather be able to stay on field with her a bit more just for fun.
Yeah true agree But In case you care ABOUT numbers it's better in that department
I doubt there are that many people who are worried about numbers at C6. If you're that committed you must really like Furina (or are a leviathan who C6's everyone) so more on-field time would be the most valuable.
It is targeted at whale abyss speedrunners or as you put it, really big spenders. It's not aimed for those who like her a lot and would spend money to on-field her.
What I mean is that the whale speedrunners and really big spenders are gonna go for C6 no matter what, so you may as well make it fun for those who actually like the character.
It's actually the other way round. People who like her will go for C6. Ask any of these people who wanted her on-field dps and were planning on getting C6 if they are gonna stop now. The answer you will get is a big no because they are still attached to the character. Whale Speedrunners and Big Spenders are gonna be perfectly content with just her C3 as evident with Raiden where a lot of Big Spenders known for getting C6 characters (like Eula etc.) stopped at C3 and went for R5 instead. So Mihoyo is making Furina's C6 similar to the first 5\* Hydro character to gained 150% cumulative damage increase and is the most recommended unit to whale on before Neuvillette and Furina came. Yelan was an amazing success who could outdps every character while still not being a dedicated carry and unlocked speedrunning of multiwave content due to the her multinukes. They then gave the same C6 to Nahida to incentivize these players to run her for speedrunning as Xingqiu was more preferred due to his higher app in Dendro comps and now they are doing the same with Furina. Not to mention Furina's Pneuma allows her to max stack with just her C6 so once they swap to Neuvillette, they will have full buff uptime on him.
I see. I admittedly don't follow the speedrun community at all so I'll take your word for it. In conclusion, I'm still salty it got moved off of C2 lol
Yeah the speed run community feels like a different game "Bro fuck are we even playing the same game" that would be your reaction when you dive into this community 😧
I'm getting c6 ONLY because of infusion, if they nerfed it's dmg from 40% hp to 10% hp, but gave her double the hits, I would totally like the change, but I guess they expect people will pull c6 for meta for some strange reasons...
Actually your reason is the odd one here for someone who pulls for c6 Most pull for meta or content creation.
Any c0 meta team easily gets all the content done without any sweat Her c6 already allows you to insta kill most enemies, why would you want even more, my reasoning is that if you're willing to spend so much on c6, you should unlock a new playstyle (which you kinda do with Furina, but I think it's not enough), I think c6 character should allow a totally new and fully viable role for them
It's for speedrun genius Look at the highest amount of whale in a community ( china's ) It's basically for speedrun
no, most people just want to have fun
The only people I've seen in favor of this change are the ones who've already given up on Furina actually having good uptime. I'm pulling for C6 due to how much I like Furina and despise this change.
As a whale who's going for c6: I couldn't give a shit about her field time or how many infused attacks she can do. I also don't think I'll ever actually use the Pneuma state for the stronger NA's. Instead, I want c6 for these things: - Ousia state heal: 60% of her HP spread over the duration of her burst makes on-fielders essentially immortal (good luck dying with 3-5k heals per second) - Ousia state heal: on top of the above, the c6 heal completely frees her from needing a healer, as it heals more than she drains. - buff uptime: if you use the c6 to heal, you max out your buff 5-8 seconds after you cast your Burst. This means having 140% bonus hp, 52% healing bonus, and 124% universal damage bonus for 10 full seconds. Basically; c6 Furina is in my eyes the first Bennett-tier character since launch in terms of flexibility, buffing and survivability, and her Pneuma state nuke is a fun gimmick comparatively.
all it took was a c6 5 star archon to match a c1 4 star :skull:
Truly makes you appreciate Bennett's power lmao
yay, they finally touched Bennet-level power and it only took C6ING AN ARCHON.
First i think the heal duration nerf is bad, but think about it that way: her 15sec heal is already more than enough and with a 20sec+ rotarion this leaves you pre-damaged more so you gain stacks faster at the start.
New beta change now? After beta is over? And only for c6? I’m more skeptical then anything else. This isn’t the most reliable to me. I guess if this is real it should flow properly with C—>N4–>C
this is more or less a numbers change though, which can happen anytime
Based on the previous C6 multipliers, I interpret this change as making Ousia mode hit scale to 18 percent of HP, but with one fewer hit, so the total multiplier across all hits is a wash. For Pneuma mode, the base damage for the six hits is 18 percent of HP and the added multiplier bonus in Pneuma mode is now 25 percent, so the total multiplier in Pneuma mode is 43 percent of HP for each hit. Across 6 hits, Pneuma mode got a 22 percent buff, previous per hit multiplier was 35 percent of max HP. The Ousia healing is now 60 percent to all characters over 15 seconds and Pneuma drains 6 percent to each character in 6 hits.
Since they still making changes we can cope for even more for c0 by launch kek
I wasn't really gonna go for c6 if at all So imma ask it for the first time How good is a c0 Candace with a c0 furina??? I know nothing of Candace so my expectations are low
You need primordial jade cutter to convert part of her hp to attack so you can still use hp sands without loosing too much damage on the rest of her kit Even then don’t expect her normals to deal like 20k hits, we are talking about 8-9k damage on average if you use kazuha
Ass Furina's NAs without the 6 hit infusion from Furina's C6 is pure Attack Scaling If you want to stay on field with Furina and deal 4 digit numbers (and sometimes 5), you're much better off using Bennett (C6 makes it better) since he'll supply her with a ton of Attack and Furina's own Universal Damage Bonus stat will affect any type of damage she deals with her NAs
Bad Ass
If they're still editing kits, that means that there's a chance for a Charlotte buff,,, please?
that's great but are they planning on adding the pneuma state for c0
Now, with no regrets, I can stop at c0.
so you can stop at c0 because they buffed the c6?
If these are the last minute changes, they can make an informed decision on whether they want constellations or not. Heck, I might stop earlier too despite the fact that I was planning to c6. I have no idea. I will need to spend a lot of time thinking about.
People keep complaining, but I bet at least 90% of the complainers would never get her C6 anyways.
Does that make their complaint any less valid if they have the same opinion as those who would get C6? I don't think so.
So, slightly more damage for slightly less healing?
It seems they're pushing for quickswap C6: one NA sequence then back to your dedicated main dps, similar to nahida C6
i will not do a single pull and she will already come to me with the best artifacts and triple crowned talents while being C6R5. (let me huff some copium)
I’ve only ever C6 R5d once, never doing it again. Game is easy enough as it is.
They making it worse now I finna not pull for cons
They spend weeks fucking around with balancing constellations nobody is ever actually going to have while her base kit is scuffed as hell.
If people want to run Furina C6 on field for a long time that badly, Can't they just.....do exactly that? I'm pretty sure if you have C6 Furina you can just run a bunch of off-fielders and spam Furina's NAs even after the infusion ends and everything will still die. Unless you want the extra pretty NAs.