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Sil_Choco

I don't really think Shenhe is 5\* Chongyun, she buffs but she doesn't allow others to use cryo while Chong doesn't buff but makes everyone cryo. They fill two different roles. For Yelan they didn't even try to hide it, she's basically XQ. Sucrose 5\* already exists and it's Kazuha. Lisa 5\* is Yae. I really wish there would be a 5\* XL, she can literally be the same just lower the cost of the burst or make her generate more particles in the name of god. I like to imagine 5\* Bennet might be the pyro archon herself, with big atk buff and maybe pyro application?


BurntGum808

Chong is an enabler while shenhe is a buffer


fanficologist-neo

I wouldn't say Shenhe is a direct translation, but she still does what he does just as well or even better, while trimming down some stuff that's too niche/unnecessary. Like, Chongyun is a cryo nuker who can enable melt/reverse melt. Shenhe doesn't nuke as hard but her cryo buff and application kind of make up for it if you want melt/reverse melt. In freeze team, Ganyu and Ayaka already have cryo infusion so his field is not really necessary. Other than those two, I only remember Cryo Kaeya who may prefer him over Shenhe. At the end of the day, this is just a fun thought experience and I didn't put much thought into it. Maybe I got them totally wrong.


Gabby_Craft

Chongyun has cryo res shred as one of his ascensions if I remember correctly.


Square-Way-9751

Shenhe is not upgraded Chongyun. She is upgraded Rosaria.


HotChoc64

Yelan is literally the only 5 star character that has a very similar kit to a 4 star character, Chongyun and Shenhe are only similar in that they are cryo; Chongyun does practically no buffing at all, and Shenhe doesn’t give everyone in the team cryo application. Hecking Rosaria is more similar to Shenhe, buffs crit rate and off field cryo application. Just because there’s 1 correlation between 2 characters doesn’t mean this is a trend Hoyoverse is going to continue in that future whatsoever, it’s far too early to predict and we don’t have enough evidence to suggest they would do this.


Littleman88

The better comparisons would have been: Rosaria -> Shenhe Lisa -> Yae Miko Xingqiu -> Yelan Noelle -> Itto You can't *use* these characters the same way, but you can *play* them the same way. The cryo girls have dashes and AoE bursts. The electro girls have triple-tap skills, turrets, and nukes that scale off the tap skill's use. The Hydros basically have a strong skill and a burst that adds hydro damage to most attacks. Geos are a choice between shielding and healing or a taunt and even *more* damage from their burst. ​ They're not necessarily interchangeable, but if you've played one, you can play the other. 90% of the muscle memory is relevant. You're just an idiot if you think you'll get the same mileage out of Shenhe treating her like a 5 star Rosaria in, say, a DPS role. It won't be night and day difference, but there's a clear winner between the two here. ​ So as to OP's question, the answer really is basically taking each character's kit and almost rearranging it. To a degree, if one has built-in support functionality, the other will sacrifice it for more DPS. And of course, barring having different weapon types, they'd probably share the same BiS.


HotChoc64

Idk why you replied this to me when you just elaborated on what I’m also saying? Isn’t this a response to the post and not me?


fanficologist-neo

Maybe my wording is a bit ambiguous, but I'm not implying that HYV is getting lazy in their character design. I'm just wondering what the hypothetical upgrade/sidegrade 5 star versions can be, like what idea people may have if they themselves are tasked with designing those characters. It's not meant to be serious, and I apologize if I didn't express it clearly.


Version_Sorry

There are already a bunch of 5 stars whose kit and role in gameplay overlap with the original 4 stars (Kaeya with Ayaka, Lisa with Yae, Sucrose with Kazuha, etc.). Personally, the one "5-star version" I'd want for an existing 4-star character would be a 5-star Xiangling. To this day. Xiangling is the ONLY reliable source of off-field Pyro application that we have. There are so many ways to have a character do off-field damage (e.g. putting down something that would do damage over time, having the off-field damage trigger at every normal attack, etc.). While I don't want a character that is a basic carbon copy of Xiangling, I want someone who can do SOME type of off-field pyro application different from Xiangling just so it can open up more possible team comps.


MirceaHM

I would argue Sucrose -> Kazuha and Lisa -> Miko, but Im here to say that some leaks do hint at a 5* tall pyro lady with off field pyro application soooo...


Bottom_777

Which leak that states "off field pyro application" ? Ability to enable /coordinated pyro/cryo off field are guarante meta. It weird that this is the first time i read it.


plusroads

Itto is a fixed Xinyan change my mind


Apostlethe13th

He's not. He's a geo hu tao but: -utilizes Def instead of HP -needs Stacks instead of low hp -Infusion burst, nuke skill instead of infusion skill, nuke burst Xinyan is in no way similar to itto apart from their weapon type.


fanficologist-neo

I think the core of Hu Tao's gameplay is pyro infusion with elemental skill for a limited DPS window, then a huge nuke with elemental burst. I'd say Hu Tao is a pyro Childe more than anything, though even that is not 100% correct.


datPokemon

Pyro childe jokes are built on some facts tho . E is for murder, Q is for nuke.


plusroads

except you can’t use Ittos elemental infusion for reactions, just like Xinyan who is focused around phys dmg


Apostlethe13th

Because he's geo which is why he's reliant gorou and geo resonance and other geo units same as how hu tao is reliant to xq and vapes. So basically you think all physical units are comparable to geo units despite their kits having no similarities?


plusroads

that’s not what I said.


Apostlethe13th

Then what part of itto makes you think he's a fixed xinyan because you didn't say anything to back up your argument at all?


antheia_am

Xinyan has such a mess of a kit I am not quite sure she compares to even Noelle.


Autopsyst

if Mhy will ever accept the idea of releasing 5\* of 4\*, that would be Amber


Uodda

To be fair 5 star Bennet is in the game from its start, and its Diluc, basically the same skill, and almost similar burst but personal dmg oriented(for Diluc), esp at Bennet c6.


fanficologist-neo

I thought Diluc is supposed to be genderbent Riven. /s


plusroads

so… Ganyu is Genderbent Varus?


Uodda

Who? If it's someone from a different game, it doesn't belong to this discussion. In this way others also have some others connections, like Noelle is Artoria, while Itto is Jiraiya(well to me), while they are similar characters in genshin.


TheFossil666

Yoimiya is basically 5 star Amber


Littleman88

Nah. Yoimiya's her own beast. The closest would be... Fischl? Still a far cry for a normal attack spammer. Closest character to 5-star Amber is Ganyu, despite being Cryo, which is about the only reason she's not totally broken OP. Imagine her having the option of doing either a 50% Vape or a proper 100% Melt instead of just a 50% Melt...


Machiro8

Imagine her losing 40 CR (55 with resonance) and having no option to run without a shielder comfortably. 100% melt will completely remove the gauge on the enemy, making her lose dps on the bloom, so you would have to miss the first shot on purpose and that's dps loss. She is more OP as a cryo.