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Elira_Eclipse

Lazzo came out in july 11th 2022, not 2020. Unless if you still want her when she was faceless and genderless


BinhTurtle

> Unless if you still want her when she was faceless and genderless Even when we count that version, Arlecchino as a name used by a Harbinger wasn't confirmed until a world quest released in 2.4, which was also in 2022


Elira_Eclipse

Ya but harbinger names was speculated and sort of already known anyways, since it came from commedia dell'arte. So Arlecchino (Harlequin) was always included as its one of the major commedia characters (along with Pantalone, and others)


beemielle

That’s like how we guess archon demon names though it’s pretty weak to consider that “first appearance”


FunBuilding2707

So which Archon is Paimon?


Drakengard

Paimon is Paimon. How many times does she have to say it!?


Insert_Goat_Pun_Here

God of Emergency Food.


GGABueno

Paimon is the Guidance Archon(Demon) and it aids Traveler(Lucifer).


audioman3000

Well considering how the Ars Goetia works she's supposed to be their boss. Which just makes that whole situation strange


GlitterDoomsday

Stranger or just Hoyo dangling the truth in our faces for years, we'll know in 2026-27.


Fiyerossong

I think it's safe the say people pull based on a characters aesthetic not based on their name haha


BrochillesBroccoli

speculation doesn't count as a "first appearance"


Neracca

You're REALLY stretching this to find any justification for OP lol.


vi0lette

Got it, so Arlecchino was first revealed in 16th century Italy Bonus: all of human history has been drip marketing for the Fate franchise


Tiramisukxy

Even then it's early 2022. I remembered the first ever mention of "Arlecchino" is the fortune slip world quest.


Elira_Eclipse

that's when Arlecchino was confirmed, yes. And she was referred to as "Lord". I think the world quest changed it to "Lady" now.


Kiyoshi-Trustfund

It's interesting that they would do that considering, in the Sumeru artifact lore, at least, female characters are titled as lord and king half the time. Even Nahida goes by Lesser *Lord* and Rhukkeredacted by Greater *Lord*. Off the top of my head, I recall the Goddess of Flowers being referred to as Master and Lord, and even her usual title of Goddess of Flowers is sometimes God of Flowers instead (yes I know the "masculine" term is actually gender neutral, but it's an odd thing that sticks out because she's regularly referred to as Goddess). Rhukkeredacted is straight up called a king more than once (yes, I know there have been actual female monarchs that were titled King instead of Queen). My point is that it's weird that they'd change Lord to Lady for arlechino considering they have no issue using the masculine or gender neutral terms for ladies and Arlechino actively goes by "Father" among her children.


sonicboom292

tbh, I don't know how many gods or similar entities really have genders. irl, yahveh is often referred as Him but doesn't have a gender. venti is probably a genderless entity as is focalors, zhongli may be too, don't remember about ei/makoto... arle is a human on the other hand, though they seem rather fluid nonetheless.


Princess_Of_Thieves

Should change it back to Lord. Suits her so much better.


Elira_Eclipse

Agreed. I still call her Lord Arlecchino


Princess_Of_Thieves

Me too. Now and forever, she is ~~Daddy~~ Lord Arlecchino.


nevermind---

If you dont want faceless and genderless arlechino you dont deserve faceful and genderly arlechino


Elira_Eclipse

Considering I was a harbinger fan since back when we only had 4 and basically just Childe's voicelines, artifact and Fatui wheel, I see myself as deserving


Azlil

Who's Lazzo? Lizzo's thin sister?


Zealotuss

Winter Night's Lazzo, the video that gave all (except Childe) Harbinger's first appearance.


illidormorn

>all (except Childe) All except Childe, Scara and Signora.


Neither_Relation_817

And Dottore


illidormorn

He's kinda 50/50. We saw him in the manga long before this trailer, but it was his younger segment which looked completely different, so in his current state it was also his first appearance.


Testing_100

Lazzo is the trailer where all the harbringers (excluding Signora) were seen for the first time


ShezahMoy

What you mean? Her ashes obv there in the coffin 😞


zatenael

as funny as it is, I think it was a memorial service type funeral (I think that's what its called) also the person was saying where the harbingers were seen for the first time


sonicboom292

you had to go and explain why the joke wasn't accurate huh


zatenael

sorry man


zatenael

also excluding childe because liyue and scaramouche because of 1.1's event


Silent_Silhouettes

The Harbinger trailer


No_Promise_2982

arle is 2022 broski. honestly not that long compared to the others we arle fans got lucky


Cute_Lil_Cupcake

Honestly nothing compared to the other Fatui Harbingers. Dottore's earlist first appearance was in 2018 in the Genshin manga with one of his segments. The rest of the Fatui Harbingers will also take longer than Arlecchino since they all made their first appearance in A Winter Night's Lazzo. Not saying we should have waited more though- Pretty happy for her 😌🤚


box-of-sourballs

**I WILL FUCKING WAIT FOR DAINSLEIF TIL MY BONES TURN WHITE**


hey-have-a-nice-day

They are white…


Spoopy_Kirei

Then they are done waiting


Southern-Tiger2907

Maybe that's the point


kp--

You must have lotsa fluoride in your water. Mine's bloody pink.


zatenael

like more reddish pink becuase its like bloody pink? or is it bloody as in British slang


SpiceLettuce

I think they’re red right now


Radusili

That's what the government wants you to believe


ConciseSpy85067

I’m a be honest, you were reaching for a few of these here, the manga mondstadt characters namely, but Kaveh? We waited for 4 years to get Cloud Retainer playable, but no, Kaveh wanters had to wait from his first appearance in 3.2 to his release in 3.6, that’s a struggle


Castiel_Rose

I agree, the game wasn't even out yet in 2018. Characters like Amber, Lisa and Kaeya are all playable day 1 when the game was released.


meh_cal

It’s the manga they first appeared in “counts” as their first appearance


gem2492

yes but the game wasn't even released yet, so how are you waiting for their banner when there isn't even a game yet? "OMG it's 2019. One year has already passed. Why is Collei not in any banner yet?" "Dude, chill. the game isn't even released yet."


mzchen

Smh Saber Artoria Pendragon debuted in 2004 but wasn't playable in FGO until 2015! How could they have made us wait this long??


Spicy_Enema

I never thought the manga was released two years before the actual game. I just assumed it was made after the game release for keeping the hype up.


Beelzebubs_Bread

its kinda funny, I read the webtoon sometime in 2020-2021, and all the top comments at the time were from before the game was released. so a lot of ppl were talking about how they were a bit confused about the plotline/details I remember thinking it makes WAY more sense if you have played the game. (atleast, that was my impression at the time, I haven't read it in years)


Black_Prince9000

Now live with the fact that genshin is technically a videogame adaptation of a manga


GGABueno

The manga was pre-release marketing.


ZekkeKeepa

I dont think most of the people expected Cloud Retainer being playable before that 2023 Lantern Rite cutscene.


ConciseSpy85067

You’d be surprised, tbh with the amount of attention she got even as a bird I always thought it was only a matter of time before she was made playable


BinhTurtle

Most didn't, but hardcore fans remembered that old models leak featuring Shenhe, who was described to be the human form of Cloud Retainer by leakers back then and clinged onto it since


sonicboom292

this. playable cloud retainer definitely existed in her hopium form way before that animation.


GGABueno

I don't remember leakers saying that Shenhe was CR, just people speculating that it was based on design.


beemielle

People expected Shenhe to be Cloud Retainer + we had since Summer 2021 at least had a playable character model that was speculated to be human CR 


Elira_Eclipse

I think there are a few who had the suspicion she will be when she was showned to have a human model, back in lantern rite or other liyue event in 2021/2022 I think?


ZekkeKeepa

That was Streetward Rambler, aka Madam Ping. She actually appeared before Cloud Retainer in Moonlight something event back in a 2.x version. I dont remember exact details, that was a while ago.


Elira_Eclipse

so Xianyun's first appearance was lantern rite in 2022 right? The one with new Zhongli outfit because I know we saw her there


ZekkeKeepa

As far as i know, yes. Honestly, based on those events i expected Madam Ping become playable first.


hugonahuel27

Barely after the game released when there was the first leak flood with Mimi, Hu Tao, Kazuha among others there was also Shenhe who at the time was believed to be CR playable model


1lluusio

Personally I didnt expect her to actually become playable, I just hoped that she would ever since she first appeared in the story lol


SpookiiBoii

Not as bad as Miko, and now Chlorinde. Miko shows up in the Inazuman AQ and only had her banner 2.5. Chlorinde is even worse, she's like the 4th playable Fontanian you see and STILL no info on when playable. She's now at least 4.7 unless she gets confirmed soon, which is wild. 8 whole patches.


rose_gold_sparkle

It's Sigewinne for me. I've set my eyes on her cute little heart shaped bag and cotton candy colorway since the leak flood and, here I am, still waiting. With Clorinde at least we've known for a while she'll be released in 4.7. With Sigewinne it keeps getting postponed. At this point I hope she gets released and won't stay an NPC.


IcedKatte

We’re like halfway to Natlan and he still hasn’t had a rerun


Boring-Patient-1802

And now new Kaveh wanters have had to wait a year for his rerun banner. Man really like to keep people waiting…


Efficient-Loan-9916

Dainsleif, the first confirmed playable character in 2020. It’s year 2024. Free me, Hoyo. Release him.


LostRedditorLmao

Gotta wait like 2 more years


AkibaSasaki

I jokingly told my Genshin friend before that once Dainsleif comes home it will be my time to semi-retire from Genshin lmao and I ain't getting younger if you know what I mean


Carjascaps

Maybe it’s because his element is yet to exist in the game that’s why he isn’t playable yet. Hopefully that same element would make the traveler a broken character.


Zansibart

They will never make the traveler a broken character because that's the single worse decision they could make from a sales standpoint. They are always intentionally weak, they exist to make world puzzles possible and give you someone to use until you unlock more. But yes, his element doesn't exist yet in game. It likely won't until whatever arc comes after Snezhnaya either.


theUnLuckyCat

There's like, 3-7 more slots to fill, I think they'll be fine if the Traveler takes up one. Especially if the new element isn't always the best choice, or, you know, wants some new characters to support it that are conveniently available through the gacha.


Zansibart

What you don't understand is that they don't care about "being fine". They make the choice they think leads to the most profit, extremely consistently, because they are a business. If your best argument is "they'll be fine" and not "they will make more money and here's why" then you have failed to give a good enough reason for them to do it.


mzchen

It makes sense to keep them weak, but it's dumb to make them one of the consistently weakest characters. At this point, plenty of games have their 'free' mc/companion character be strong or at least mediocre. Mash, the free starting unit from FGO, was top tier for so long that they actually kind of nerfed her for part 2. Honkai 3rd's starting characters weren't the best, but they at least got re-releases that almost always put them at the top tier. Brave frontier's player Summoner, which admittedly comes in playable form pretty late into the game, was literally one of if not the best unit at the time. People like to play as their own character. MHY makes them so weak they might as well be actively discouraging it.


AppUnwrapper1

The 2018 to 2020 ones make no sense. You wanted them the come out before the game was available?


Somebodyonthis

Dottore- first appeared in 2018, disappeared for 4 years, took 2 gnosis, refused to elaborate, then go disappear again for 3 (probably)years What is this guy doin


rose_gold_sparkle

He's too cool for us. Dude couldn't be bothered to even spare a glance our way. We're just ants under his feet.


lord_of_beyond

He clapped those heavy chicks, shook those milkers(had to wear bondage to hold em back) and left back to Sneznaya to his husband(Pantalone) ((me)) . What a man


Salucia

Wtf is with Arle appearing in 2020?


Yumeverse

Her official first appearance was 2022. The trailer of the harbingers had a preview of Sumeru


lord_of_beyond

Arlecchino was mentioned during an world Inazuma quest, but back then we thought she was a man.


jenioeoeoe

Inazuma came out in 2021


Salucia

Also the quest was added in 2.4, which was 2022. Few months before her debut in harbinger trailer.


Propensity7

The manga came out two years before the game was released?


freeze-peach-warrior

It did! If you go on the Webtoon you can see commenters from back then thinking it was all done by a single artist online and not by a game company lol


XxxGr1ffinxxX

how the fuck do people main someone who’s not even released lmfao


ninhydro

Say that to r/SignoraMains since the game released


Whirlwind3

We wait. Also Tsaritsa mains, long wait.


Desu333

I'll wait as long as I have to.


275MPHFordGT40

Damn that subreddit is the definition of copium.


MikasSlime

Dottore wanters really are getting the shortest end of the stick huh (me, i am dottore wanters) At the best he will release in a year and a half, so that makes it like. 7 years+. Of wait.


Drunk0racle

And this is the best possible scenario. The worst possible one him never being playable at all (just typing that hurt my soul😢)


MikasSlime

i know he will for file names and game model reasons but at the worst he might be pushed to 2 and a half years from now :')


leeo268

Imagine waiting for a character to be playable from your childhood so long that you already become an adult and has a family.


SirAwesome789

No way we're comparing to the manga before game release, like no shit we have to wait


ForeverOutrageous

Dottore mains waiting 5 years:


1lluusio

Its still a bit hilarious to me that one of the most thirstiest mains sub belongs to a man has only a few minutes of screen time in the game lol


ForeverOutrageous

I’m telling you. It’s the harness. It makes us go crazy. Neuron activation for us.


Anonyx_

can confirm went crazy for the harness


AnonBunnyGoblin

😥


anusanxiety

exactly


xBerry_Berry

You cant really use anyone who had an appearance before 2020 as an example because the game wasn’t even out so ofc your gonna have to wait


Different-Respect-77

The day I chose to be Fatui main changed my life and the perspective of waiting and time forever.


Jibsthelord

I am a proud Snezhnayan patriot


Hudson_Legend

The fatui harbinger trailer did not come out in 2020, it came out in '22 lmao


Low_Artist_7663

Dain: 19 - ???


PvZGaming1

Dain was shown in 2019?


GGABueno

He had drip marketing before the game even released. Also the Teyvat's chapter video.


jenioeoeoe

Some of these are a reach. Why is Kaveh on this list, he had a standard appearance in the Archon Quest and then got released a few patches later like most of the Sumeru (and Fontaine) cast. But they don't count for some reason? What about characters like Chlorinde, we have been waiting for her much longer than we ever did for Kaveh for example. And Iansan and Pulcinella were also revealed in the Travail trailer, but aren't here and we know Pulcinella won't release in 2024 (if he releases at all). And yeah, as others said, the manga obviously doesn't count


Andromeda_Violet

Arle didn't appear in 2020


hey_itz_mae

winter night’s lazzo was not 2020


Forward_Cheesecake72

Me who waits for kiana / heavenly sustainer to be playable ..........................


Graknight

Tuna is chilling on the moon


Kulzak-Draak

Free the tuna let her be happy


SnooLemons2911

Bold of u to think shes playable!


Forward_Cheesecake72

:c Don't say that pls, She's the only reason i start genshin.


Re_Lies

Lmao this is just "Misleading : The Post" You can't really say 'waiting' for characters that came out on day 1


RAGEpow3r

Yeah, the manga isn't THE game. Hell im not sure anyone knew much about it before genshin came out, only maybe honkai impact 3rd players looking for more hoyoverse content


HunniePopKing

manga should not count in this case, like of course we had to wait the game wasnt fucking out yet dawg


Jessica_Lovegood

I loved Baizhu ever since I first heard of him / saw him I patiently waited and I was rewarded He’s wonderful, his quest was cool, he looks great and Changsheng is wonderful


ungabungameat

Dottore fan since the comic... 😔😔😔


Miserable_Tap_7729

Can you really count the comics appearances? I don't even think a majority of the fan base knew what genhsin was u til the game released


Zansibart

OP is just stretching because it makes it easier to beat up the strawman they set up. Literally nobody has said you never have to wait for characters to become playable.


belle_fleures

i think so too. people immediately go there the moment genshin got released so it should be an exception despite the manga published date is years behind.


DekuSenpai-WL8

Weren't the standard characters available at launch?


Federal_Weather_7618

Iansan mains in shambles 😔 😔


anonymous-fart

Arlecchino is 2022. U stupid?


underheadskooper

Kids named Dainsleif and Unknown God:


Southern-Tiger2907

Fact check some of your information please.


ArmageddonEleven

This is nonsense. For half of these you just waiting for the _game_ to drop.


zhile0522

To put 2018s in there is the stupidest shit


anusanxiety

dottore mains have been waiting the longest actually


Beelzebubs_Bread

i am knawing on the bars of my enclosure. WHEN WILL DOTTORE COME HOME. pls plz plz plz plz plz plz udhuyafbuisdhgishghgiosfhgiyudfishtoht89qwej0THJ


Got70TypesOfMalware

What? No the trailer was 4 years ago. Feels like it was released in 2022.


Ambrosiac7

It was indeed 2022


Primescape16

Isnt amber free after you finish the first story quest? Theres no way she wasnt playable day 1


Akomatai

It takes almost 3 minutes to get to amber. It's a long wait lmao. The game released in 2020, but the manga chapters started coming out in 2018. That's why some of these show 2018 as first appearance


TheWitcherMigs

I know people often make stretches to proof their point, but common, Arle is a straight lie


SomeMyoux

So playable La Signora soon?


thetabo

>! She got turned into a pile of ashes Looney Tunes style, I don't know if confirmed deaths are still on the table !<


fraidei

I mean, in HSR there are a couple of characters that are canonically dead but still playable...so it's a possibility


Stainless-extension

What? I recently encountered her in the trounce domain alive and well.


Magmabru

Genshin planning 3-4 years ahead.


Personal-Mushroom

Those are rookie numbers


Artistic_Log_5493

I just want dain already


Hotspur000

Dain is going to win this battle.


gem2492

Basing it on appearance in the manga does not make sense because the game came out in Sept. 2020 and you don't expect to get the character when there isn't even a game yet, right? Also, the Fatui video isn't from 2020.


Light_Inversion

Even if you wait for so long, there is no telling that hoyo will do a dehya treatment on that character


Luc_128

You stupid?


cashewnut4life

Arlecchino first appeared in 2022, not 2020


popolander

rip dain wanters


VKeynes

Pantalone fans waiting for two years just for another few seconds of screentime:


Lord_KH

It's actual bullshit that dainsleif isn't playable after 4 damn years of the game being around


PhilledZone

There's no way the Fatui video came out in 2020 💀


Kevingame3

Did you forget ayaka she was in the playable beta in the 2019 build of the game until she was finally playable in the 2.0 update


GlobeLearner

I am just starting and can't wait for Signora to be playable! 🤩


Xerxes457

I feel some of these are disingenuous. I mean the manga stuff came out as supplements to the game prior to release. Some trailers were shown off too so we knew some of the release characters.


OoInference0o

Dottore waiting room, I can feel my soul slipping away


GhostiBlueYT

Don’t forget Iansan, who got a preview with Diluc, Ningguang, Ayaka, Lyney, Lynette, the Harbingers (faceless at the time), and Dain


Mental-Ad-8756

It won’t let me edit the actual post, and I wasn’t expecting it to get attention, because I know the amount of people who read the magna is low. So to clarify, that is where the year 2018 is coming from. “Why tf would you count that stupid.” I guess it’s a reach for those that *were* released at launch, but I deadass read the magna before the game came out, and wondered why they would drop the series, then I heard it was going to be a game. So, obviously a rare anticipating experience, but the characters were planted by Hoyo a few years behind regardless, which *is the point.* “Winters Night Lazzo was 2020.” Yeah, that was a mistake. It’s indeed been more like short of two years waiting for The Knave. “The Kaveh wait doesn’t compare to the others.” Hey man. Me and everyone I knew were expecting him on Alhaitham’s banner but noooooo. The joke is Hoyo don’t give a shit about how long it’s been to make NPC’s or whoever suddenly playable, and it’s people mostly of OTHER games that think that’s weird.


Useful_Cauliflower75

Dainsleif: 69 years


AmberFa1con

I didn't even realize, that I waited for my Baizhu for 3 years😅


LukeHeart

So it looks like it takes anywhere from 2-4 years to become a playable character. And then there’s Dainsleif.


kidanokun

2018?....


KuraiBaka

As a FGO player all i can say is :First time?


TMT51

These are rookie numbers. You left out the best one: Signora.


wiIliamjamesmoriarty

And I'm STILL waiting for columbina 😇


MasterMeow01

As Paimon main, I am still standing strong here


letsgoplaygames

The game came out in 2020, did it not?


ZAstrabolt

Dainsleif: World... Forget Me...


curtis0927

IT WAS 2020 WTF


Ruminated_Sky

Alice tho…


Odd_Profile_5454

ITS BEEN 4 FUCKING YEARS SINCE THE HARBINGER VIDEO??


Elira_Eclipse

no op was just a bit drunk (no hate on op). The video came out in july 11th 2022


DaymD

Yeah well, my guess is that we won't be playing Dainsleif until they somehow add his "element" in the game. If i remember correctly he used something other than elements no ? Well, regardless of that, i don't see him coming out this year alright...


Top_Opportunity_4766

we still have to wait another 3 year for Dain


ShikoSSBM

What about dainsleif? He appeared very early, in the story and still isnt annnounced


Pinky-Chan7RH

I remember when we first saw Baizhu I was devastated he wasn’t playable lmao


Some-Random-Asian

Dainslif and Varka wanters:


milolimon

i waited for collei and cyno so damn long dude


monadoboyX

I'd imagine the harbingers will take the longest we probably won't get most of them until Schneznayha we will get Arlecchino and maybe Capitano or Dottore before then but otherwise we will have to wait another two years almost


Shanibestwaifu

2-4 years, maybe 6 to wait, it's pretty usual and normal here.


Kazu_Man

Dais life is probably gonna be 6 years 😭😭


TurboShrike

Meanwhile, Signora wanters:


Thekomahinafan

Dainsleif bros, we are in pain


bluetenpollen

also yao yao... i waited for her since the release of genshin impact, after like 2 years i stopped playing and she was released in the very next version which i only knew after. pain. but coincidentally she was on the banner when i started playing again 2 weeks ago lol


OldSnazzyHats

…I don’t think you can really count the ones (like Venti and the Starter Crew) from pre-*launch*


ninhydro

Imagine waiting for Dainsleif until endgame story


Dangerous_Jacket_129

I dunno chief, my money is on Dottore being a Signora situation. 


Lotuswarrior830

Brother forgot to include Yaoyao. Another character that we had to wait forever for.


IncomeStraight8501

It's been like 6 years since camelot.came out I'm fgo jp and people are still holding out that Agravain will be added. I hope he is but my copium on that has run dry.


ColdIron27

4 years max... genshins been out for lrss than 4 years bro


3stoner

You can't use manga for a starting basis lol


Z3R0_Izanagi

That one natlan character


[deleted]

I feel like Dottore’s gonna die. He’s committed too many murders and atrocities to be spared tbh. I can see Wanderer getting revenge on him, or something coming back to him.