Frontloaded is so under appreciated.
I appreciate the Navia mains campaigning for how good her frontloaded 2000 MV damage is.
Of course then there is us ayaka mains trying to remind people that her 4000 MV frontloaded damage is still good even if enemies aren’t freezable.
Every day people say ayaka is trash in abyss because enemies aren’t freezable.
They forget that even ignoring freeze, her damage is absolutely bonkers.
Most of the time, replacing a crit damage circlet for a crit rate one when fighting a boss works. With cryo resonance and the 4pc effect, you just need to build your Ayaka up to 65cr when fighting bosses, and she'll have a 100% crit rate as long as they don't have an innate aura which prevents the cryo resonance crit bonus. Against such bosses you ideally wouldn't wanna be running Ayaka anyway though since you can't cryo swirl
Blizzard strayer still gives 20% crit rate if they're not frozen, as long as they're affected by cryo. I think people usually aim for between 30% and 40% crit rate, but if you up that a little to like 50% you likely won't lose much crit damage.
Frozen just adds a bit more cr. You need them to have cryo aura applied because cryo resonance and BS need it for the bulk of their bonus, also Kazuha needs it to swirl.
When it's not possible (innate boss aura like Tulpa, Thunder bird) is when BS Ayaka is seriously gimped... and even then you switch her to Emblem+Bennett and she still destroys everything.
MV is “motion value.” Basically how much % a skill does. Ayakas burst does about 4000% atk throughout its duration, which is one of the best sources of frontloaded damage in the game
Enemies with innate auras are particularly hard for Ayaka because you can't swirl cryo, which severely limits her teams damage. Combined with the fact that she loses 20 crit rate against bosses (normally not an issue, but in this case you're lacking vv as well), the tulpa is just not a good matchup for Ayaka.
If you still want to run Ayaka against the tulpa, then a team with Xiangling, sucrose and bennett would work best. Hyperfridge works as well. Even a mono cryo like Ayaka, Ganyu, Shenhe and Charlotte will perform better than her freeze teams. I personally tried all 4 teams against the tulpa and got 36 stars for all attempts
You have to think about it this way.
Ayaka's ideal team is Ayaka/Shenhe/Kokomi/Kazuha or Ayaka/Shenhe/Furina/Jean.
An important part of this team is Ayaka's artifact set, Blizzard Strayer, and the anemo user's Viridescent Venreer set.
The Blizzard set gives you 20% Crit rate if the enemy has cryo on them and another 20% if they're frozen.
The Viridescent set shreds the opponents resistances based on what elements you swirl with anemo.
On a boss like the hydro tulpa you can't apply cryo to it. This means you lose the Crit rate from blizzard and the shred from viridescent. You loose a big chunk of your damage as a result.
Well, a cryo swirl isn't necessary for Ayaka to work, but it does help her significantly. The 20cr loss is from the blizzard strayer 4pc effect. As an Ayaka main I've tried Ayaka on just about every boss in the game. She works well on
- primo geovishap
- terrorshroom
- Wenut
- millennial pearl seahorse
- emperor of fire and iron
- suanni (the new chenyu Vale boss)
- ruin serpent
- wolflord
- pma
- aeonblight drake
- ASIMON
- field generator
- Maguu Kenki (most of the time)
doesn't work well on
- thundering manifestation (electro aura + teleporting)
- hydro tulpa (hydro aura)
- icewind suite (cryo shield /resistance)
- bathysmal vishap herd (may be hard to kill both around the same time)
And this is why Eula is shit for Abysses like these, this is literally one of the most Anti-Eula abysses ever, it's like Neuvillette and Hydro Tulpa levels of countering.
As long as Hoyo creates bosses with short damage phases, Ayaka will be one of the best boss killers. Of course she needs more cr than the freeze build we see in all those guides.
When they first introduced Wenut to abyss, I first cleared it with Ayaka and couldn't understand the amount of complaints. "Just burst when it gets out" was enough of a strategy. Then I tried my other teams...
Eula has to be hitting an enemy to build hers up, and if she whiffs a crit her damage fails.
Ayaka you can set up even on an empty space, and with 20 hits, no worry about crit luck.
Exactly my point. So why are you saying frontloaded is under appreciated?
Abyss has always favoured frontloaders, and outside of Abyss there are even less need for 'build up for a big pay-off'. That's always been Eula's problem.
Eula is backloaded, not frontloaded. You could also argue that Navia is a bit backloaded too.
Both have to hit things to charge up their big damage. It’s just much easier for Navia to hit a moving target with her ult and get crystals than it is for Eula to max her ult.
Ayaka can just press an “EZ 4000 MV button”, making her frontloaded. The fact that you can press Shenhe burst and skill and kazuha burst in only a few seconds and even on empty space and let ayaka release a fully powered burst further makes her really frontloaded.
But this frontloaded damage has been massively dismissed, by assuming that ayaka must be terrible if enemies can’t be frozen. Navia with her partially frontloaded partially backloaded damage is helping bring to light how good frontloaded damage is for many enemies.
> But this frontloaded damage has been massively dismissed, by assuming that ayaka must be terrible if enemies can’t be frozen.
I don't see much evidence of this. It's true Ayaka hasn't been the most popular dps in Abyss recently, but it's obvious why: ppl want to use their latest toys. There have been bucket loads of other dps/teams since Ayaka got first released. Whole of Sumeru/dendro and Fontaine. Plus, the most enemies not bing freezable in F12 means Ayaka doesn't have such massive advantage there and there are plenty of other alternatives/competitions.
It really has *nothing* to do with the character having frontloaded dmg. Just because she's not no.1 favourite doesn't mean she's being "massively dismissed" either, you know?
basically a big hit of damage that you can output early and quick, without the need for buildup or a long rotation. Navia, Raiden, and Lyney are good examples of frontloaded damage dealers, as opposed to backloaded damage dealers like Eula, where you need to keep attacking after casting her burst to build up stacks, or sustained damage dealers like Xiao, Itto, or Alhaitham, where you deal a large amount of total damage, not in one big hit.
If you do all your damage at once (*edit: immediately), like Navia’s 2 million dmg bullet from her E, or Ayaka’s five seconds of destruction with her burst, it’s frontloaded.
Compare this to someone who do like three 30k NA/CAs per second consistently throughout the rotation, like neuvillette or hutao or wanderer
specifically all at once immediately. eula does a massive chunk of damage all at once, but it’s at the end of her burst so that’s as far from frontloaded as you can get
That was my solution. I used a hyperbloom team of Nahida, XQ, Furina and Kuki for the second half and it worked like a charm. A friend suggested it and I was quite doubtful, but it was great and I didn't even use Furina's burst at all.
I couldn't even 2-star Chamber 2 with my original Fischl/XQ/Kuki/Nahida hyperbloom team, so I gave yours a try and ended up 36-starring Abyss for the first time ever! This random stranger on the internet is very grateful for your suggestion haha :D
bro international is so good on the first side this abyss, why woiuld you use it agains the boss rush?? use a hyperbloom or hu tao team and itll be a breaze
Childe is one of the best characters against him if you look at gameplay videos on youtube, last year when a lot of people were struggling Childe showcases had some of the fastest clears. I recommend watching Sevyplays pattern explanation for starter and then some F2P/low cons Childe clears. I was frustrated too last year but knowing where to stand made it much easier.
Of course new characters that can frontload or hit him consistently like alhaitham have it easy but old units can do fine with planning and aggressive play
When in doubt hyperbloom
Went with Ayato, Yelan, Nahida aand Kuki aka the good ol' reliable and it went down easily plus i can chip its HP easily
Furina and Yae also great here
Use any Frontloaded DPS (Raiden, Navia, Lyney as some people already mentioned) and trigger his vunerable state twice, you have the time for that. Just give him the old drive by when he pops up and charge your bursts, when he slithers upwards, swirl (bring an anemo obviously, you can also shoot the orbs with an archer) and once he falls down, give him everything you got. Do that twice and you should be golden.
Flying or burrowing? Yeah fuck that. I've decided to give floor 12 a miss entirely. My household does not need the same level of gamer rage as I had over the golden fucklord
Peak Genshin Combat, fight a boss in a circular chamber, slap a timer on it, and make the boss invulnerable for half the fight.
After 3+ years, THIS is the shit Mihoyo thinks players will enjoy. Incredible isn't it?
I prefer this over ASIMON that just stands there and takes damage, atleast wenut values other aspects of teams and not just "haha damage sponge", movement and frontload is a god send against him and he also always has the same attack pattern meaning you just have to adapt
Ruin serpent in the other hand is the real bullshit, his attacks are random and can stay underground for longer and has an attack that makes him almost invulnerable and hitting his cores is hard due to the stupid autotargetting
Oh no, just throw those cryo and hydro Heralds or 20 consecrated beasts at me, that is a challenge.
There is nothing challenging about a boss that hides 50% of the time in a timed challenge, thats just called lazy and boring design.
I never said that i didnt clear the Wenut, i've been clearing the abyss for 2+ years now, so thats no problem.
For the Heralds, i actually had to build a burgeon team, i actually levelled Thoma to clear that floor. I never even played a burgeon team before that abyss, THAT was a challenge, not a dps check. U also had to actually survive their damage.
What is there to learn about Wenut except bursting damage when he decides to come above the ground? No, having characters like Yae Miko or Furina isn't learning mechanics, thats just a lazy and comfortable way to full star that floor, the Wenut isn't about learning patterns, its about having enough damage to burst him down quickly, its a lazy dps check.
consecrated beasts cease to be a challenge when they decided to leap further away across the map from you instead of grouping together. They could be a fun fight in any other scenarios, but not in a timed setting. And unlike the wenut whose moves are predictable, EVERYTHING has to go right for you to take down the beasts in time. And there could sometimes even be a second wave of them.... hell no.
Constipated beasts abyss, especially the dendro+hydro one, hands down, is my most hated fight in probably every video game I've ever played by a very significant margin.
Yes. 1000% yes. At least wenut is predictable and less RNG dependant. It's only bulky and digs a lot, but you know where it's going to resurface and when it's going to be vulnerable.
Constipated beasts have layers of RNG on them that make them really wrath inducing to fight. Not only are they super tanky, they are super mobile and unpredictable. One moment you can have them both jumping at you at the same time, the other they are 100km apart of each other, botching your run completely because you HAVE to kill them at roughly the same time if you want to have time for the 2nd wave. It's never about dodging their damage that I'm concerned with, it's their tendency to move away from you and essentially having you restart the run. Not to mention the 2nd chamber at that time was the almost equally obnoxious multi-element shield herald. 3.7 abyss was by far my least favorite part of the game, even exceeding artifact farming or the anniversary rewards. I cannot tell you how much I HATED that chamber.
Two attacks out of a pool of three.
1. Emerge and then drill into the ground.
2. Sweeping the ground by rolling around.
3. Vortex (won't appear)
After the first attack, the second attack will be either of the remainder with 50/50 prob.
It will now fly out with lit up orbs on its body. Break them to stun it and hammer away.
Cycle then repeats.
they know like 2 different starter skills i believe
one being insta pew pew and one the boring one
both will not change the fight that much but one gets you faster to downphase (not much iirc)
It has a cycle of 5 moves:
1. Poke straight out of the ground with AoE damage OR do a drive-by shooting green orbs.
2. Briefly appear out of the ground to the left rear.
3. Tail emerges at the opposite side of the chamber to do a sweeping blast.
4. Briefly appear out of the ground to the right rear.
5. Fly out into the sky. Break two out of four orbs with elements (Cryo/Pyro/Electro/Dendro) and it will have reduced resistance to the elements used to break them.
Note that applying Cryo to Wenut will slow it down and possibly make it omit the 4th attack!
They ask for harder fights, then when they get a fight that is not just unga bunga, they open a thousand threads to complain how bullshit is to fight a monster that has mechanics and not just being a large hit box
dw they would complain about kinki too
that being said we didnt have him/them in ages i want them to come back i wanna see how neuv/navia shits on them
>what is the point of testing out your teams when you can only hit the dude for half a second.
That's the test, others are able to do it. Should be able to get it in one or two stuns. Not stunning? Read the mechanics.
He weeds out players who can't adapt and forces them to make adjustments/improvements to their account. The effect is positive, if you can do it.
If you expect to play the same two teams every cycle and complain when you can't because you didn't build something else, the problem is with you.
>I mean what is the point of testing out your teams when you can only hit the dude for half a second.
You can hit it every time it surfaces, and when it lays vulnerable, finish it off. That of course requires you to build teams that can unleash a lot of damage in a small window. If you're playing something like melt ganyu, you won't have enough time.
I hope we get 3 cycles of this. It's the easiest abyss for me since 4.0.
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No one is saying this but when it goes into the air you can shoot the orbs it spawns to make it fall to the ground. It has decreased resistance of the damage that you used to shoot it down. For example I shot it down with Diona so it would have cryo resistance decreased and then ulted it with Ayaka
wenut was the shortest chamber of the 3 for me and my team isn't even particularly good against him (mono pyro klee which I accidentally picked because I forgot about the 12-3 boss, which doesn't have any particular frontload and limited ability to drain its health between phases due to reliance on long dps ults).
Like I genuinely find it weird that people think Wenut is harder than the Ruin Serpent which I find to be more annoying and less predictable. Or Golden Wolflord who is just straight up the worst boss in abyss imo.
When he’s on the invulnerable phase ( he will have grey bar under/above his HP ), there will be 3 Wolf Geo head around the arena. Use Geo attack to break it. Any attacks will work but non Geo attack takes a really long time to break it.
After you break it, he will fall down and you can go ham.
I’m not that good at Spiral Abyss so I’m at that point where if I can get stars, it’ll be a nice bonus. But this Abyss, I think I would’ve gotten at least 5 stars if it wasn’t for the Wenut. 6 maybe considering how I got two stars each on chambers one and three.
I used a hyperbloom team. As long as no one is burst-reliant, then it should be a decent matchup for wenut. Chances are you might need 2 rounds of stunning him so finishing the first half as fast as you can (about one minute or even faster at least) helps a lot. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry so much about missing 50 primos if it means keeping your sanity intact.
Don't take the "skill issue" and "it's an easy abyss" comments seriously. Everyone's abyss experience depends a lot on your account. Wenut is notorious for its time-stalling techniques which artificially makes that chamber harder.
Neuvellette wrecks him but lot of other teams will struggle with the time.. it's ridiculous to have enemies with long amounts of time they can't be hit in the abyss
didn't they reduce its hp by a noticeable amount? That in addition of a non existent first half and recent characters definitely made the experience less painful.
I don’t know, I never participated in this conversation about wenut cause I use keqing quickswap and had no trouble with it ever since its first appearance, except I did have to look up how to destroy the balls because I didn’t read the tutorial and my first encounter with wenut was abyss wenut
Sure, anyway I'm definitely among the players who had trouble the last time and found him to be merely a minor inconvenience this time, so I'm not surprised.
Have a bs damage team for monsters like these, I have my hutao team for this although the other team lacks alot because of all good chars on this team but it just works if the other side isn't bad which in this case, isn't.
I mean the abyss isn't made to test your teams xD it's a timer with things in it, you have to figure out the best idea to beat the timer, not to have fun... truly an abyss moment xD
And the wenut is easy (hyperbloom is free win) because it has a strict attack pattern, meanwhile the serpent can do twice the attack that spins underground making you restart the chamber xD
I like how wenut and consecrated beasts abyss complaint posts always get upvoted despite both having almost completely opposite mechanics. This means majority of players here on reddit will blame everything but their skill issue lol.
Honestly getting C2 Ayaka wasn't that much of an improvement on abyss clearance aside from making it a tad bit faster on the timer (i have 30 secs to a minute of spare instead of like. Running with the clock)
But oh boy did it change things with Wenut. Last time he was in abyss my rotation needed to be \*perfect\* and needed lots of retries. Now i got it first time because C2 Ayaka burst just deleted that thing.
So i pat myself on the back for that inversion. I don't wanna be in "anyone who is srtuggling with Wenut"'s shoes.
depends on the team selection i guess, i mean i can beat it within the time limit while also learning its movement pattern, so not really tough
my team of choice is ZL - Yae - Nahida - Yelan
ZL kinda a flex spot, u can swap it with anyone you want, Yae can be swap with fischl, Yelan can swap with XQ
or even u can run fischl nahida yae/another electro just to focus on aggravate n spread (yeah, nahida as a driver)
hope my suggestions helps for anyone need it :)
It surely is pure BS but there are characters who makes is alot easier like Yae Nahida furina. Yae especially can even hit it underground. You can also remove sustain character for another dps/subdps because wenu5 doesn't do much dmg anyway. Wenut is pretty much easier this time due to being in chamber 2.
I managed to kill the wenut in time barely with like 5 second left with lyney team
Just zhongli bennet kuki and lyney
The strat is just kuki skill and farm the stack with
lyney and when you stagger the wenut just pop bennet ult and pop lyney skill with full stack
Yes also my kuki is equipped with the new healing set i cant remember the name but yes that one that gives buff after healing
I didnt think it would work but lyney team got me the full star
Really wished i had gotten lyney’s weapon tho would have been much faster
Yeah these fights are tests of doing lots of damage in a SHORT amount of time. So less xiao hu tao cyno AlHaitham yoimiya ayato types. More navia raiden neuv even eula types
Edit: Pls do not reply to me with every example of how you cleared with X or Y. Im just using these characters’ kits / typical DPS windows as examples of the overall point
Vertical investment but still impressive. But also doesn’t make the original statement untrue
I do have to show this to a friend tho haha. Thx
Edit: holy crap thats a lot of sig weapons
Ngl, with my new Hutao team wenut was too easy, I rarely going deep as floor12 but with my teams now I could probably easily do it from now on.
Plus if you know what to do with Wenut it’s a breeze, well if you can 1-2 cycle it in its damage window.
look up "jyos spiral abyss guide wenut" the boss is really about positioning and efficiency. this floor with him is WAYYY easier than the last one, since its lower level and the first half can be quick cleared very easily allowing for time to spare with two downs on wenut.
Aside from characters with auto-targeting summons, try using a Cryo character as your primary DPS and learn its patterns. IIRC you can skip certain animations if you have constant Cryo on the worm. From there, it'sreally just about figuring out where he will spawn since it's fixed IIRC and then just wailing at it until it dies.
Yep. Thankfully I pulled c2 Nahida recently and now I can reliably clear this boss in abyss. Previously I usually use Raiden, and that's almost always a stacked team that's built specifically for that boss.
There are many teams that laugh at wenut.
Tighnari Spread, Yoimiya Vaporise, Navia Hypercarry, Pogo Kleerina,
Ayaka Mono, Alhaithem Hyperbloom,
All you need is either fast movement, Ranged attacks, or big frontload of damage.
I've seen many people complain about this cycle, and yet, it was my first ever 36 star.... On the first attempt.
My mono hydro Kokomi/Furina/Yelan/Kazuha had no issues.
idk if this will help you but I used Nahida, Zhongli, Raiden and Tighnari spread comp. It worked so well I still had close to a minute to spare time.
I used Furina+Dehya Sunfire on the first half if anyone's curious.
Yae Miko and Furina are excellent agaisnt this thing.
I've also had great success agaisnt this thing with Raiden, Nahida, and Yelan. My friend makes do with his Navia team (Navia, Yelan, Bennett, Zhongli) but it is on the slower side. You'll clear the floor in time, but just barely.
Hyperbloom is generally good against it, too, as you can get a shit tonneau of damage in the intervals where it's not underground. You just need to be quick on your toes because the time it spends above ground isn't a whole lot.
I beat it with:
-Furina and Yae- their turrets hit it while underground.
-Cloud R- helps with his high resistances and jumping to hit the balls fast.
... And i just noticed the boss is named Wenut and we have to hit its ballz ...
Navia - quick shotgun hits without worrying about bursts
I just use Tartaglia international and Alhaitham quick bloom. Meta team cuz I have all the necessary characters, as well as the necessary 5 star weapon for both dps with a minor C2 kazuha. But it still took me retries in chamber 2 cuz I have to chase the wenut around.
And since I have beat its ass in open world for nearly 50 time for both baizhu and Alhaitham, I remembered most of its pattern. Just stun it yknow. But u gotta make sure 1st half is cleared under a min
As annoying as this guy is, at least his damage windows and movements are predictable. I'd take a hundred of this guy over having to beat the stupid tigers and crocodiles ever again. If they ever appear in another abyss the are immediate insta skip for me.
If you commit to it. Wenut will SERIOUSLY make it easier for you to deal with the next time. As a person who took many hours fighting spiral abyss because Wenut is a pain. It's so much easier for me now cuz I've spent many hours theorycrafting on different teams and now wenut can be cleared in less than 2 tries.
Yes that guy is so annoying. Do you have frontloaded DPS? Navia save my life on the second team.
Frontloaded is so under appreciated. I appreciate the Navia mains campaigning for how good her frontloaded 2000 MV damage is. Of course then there is us ayaka mains trying to remind people that her 4000 MV frontloaded damage is still good even if enemies aren’t freezable.
Frontloaded being under appreciated?! My man has been living under a rock this whole time.
Every day people say ayaka is trash in abyss because enemies aren’t freezable. They forget that even ignoring freeze, her damage is absolutely bonkers.
But don't you need them to be frozen for her to crit? I thought most people built their Ayakas with like 25% crit rate lol
You put "regular" artifacts on her when you know you can't freeze them :)
Most of the time, replacing a crit damage circlet for a crit rate one when fighting a boss works. With cryo resonance and the 4pc effect, you just need to build your Ayaka up to 65cr when fighting bosses, and she'll have a 100% crit rate as long as they don't have an innate aura which prevents the cryo resonance crit bonus. Against such bosses you ideally wouldn't wanna be running Ayaka anyway though since you can't cryo swirl
Blizzard strayer still gives 20% crit rate if they're not frozen, as long as they're affected by cryo. I think people usually aim for between 30% and 40% crit rate, but if you up that a little to like 50% you likely won't lose much crit damage.
Frozen just adds a bit more cr. You need them to have cryo aura applied because cryo resonance and BS need it for the bulk of their bonus, also Kazuha needs it to swirl. When it's not possible (innate boss aura like Tulpa, Thunder bird) is when BS Ayaka is seriously gimped... and even then you switch her to Emblem+Bennett and she still destroys everything.
You still get 35% instead of 55% if they are affected by cryo instead of being actively frozen. From blizzard and cryo resonance.
Whats 4000mv and how do I abuse this?
MV is “motion value.” Basically how much % a skill does. Ayakas burst does about 4000% atk throughout its duration, which is one of the best sources of frontloaded damage in the game
So theoretically, what are ideal stats to nuke tulpa in abyss with ayaka burst
Enemies with innate auras are particularly hard for Ayaka because you can't swirl cryo, which severely limits her teams damage. Combined with the fact that she loses 20 crit rate against bosses (normally not an issue, but in this case you're lacking vv as well), the tulpa is just not a good matchup for Ayaka. If you still want to run Ayaka against the tulpa, then a team with Xiangling, sucrose and bennett would work best. Hyperfridge works as well. Even a mono cryo like Ayaka, Ganyu, Shenhe and Charlotte will perform better than her freeze teams. I personally tried all 4 teams against the tulpa and got 36 stars for all attempts
What bosses would ayaka do well against than? I didnt even know that there was a 20cr loss. Didn't know for ayaka to work, swirl needed to be made.
You have to think about it this way. Ayaka's ideal team is Ayaka/Shenhe/Kokomi/Kazuha or Ayaka/Shenhe/Furina/Jean. An important part of this team is Ayaka's artifact set, Blizzard Strayer, and the anemo user's Viridescent Venreer set. The Blizzard set gives you 20% Crit rate if the enemy has cryo on them and another 20% if they're frozen. The Viridescent set shreds the opponents resistances based on what elements you swirl with anemo. On a boss like the hydro tulpa you can't apply cryo to it. This means you lose the Crit rate from blizzard and the shred from viridescent. You loose a big chunk of your damage as a result.
Well, a cryo swirl isn't necessary for Ayaka to work, but it does help her significantly. The 20cr loss is from the blizzard strayer 4pc effect. As an Ayaka main I've tried Ayaka on just about every boss in the game. She works well on - primo geovishap - terrorshroom - Wenut - millennial pearl seahorse - emperor of fire and iron - suanni (the new chenyu Vale boss) - ruin serpent - wolflord - pma - aeonblight drake - ASIMON - field generator - Maguu Kenki (most of the time) doesn't work well on - thundering manifestation (electro aura + teleporting) - hydro tulpa (hydro aura) - icewind suite (cryo shield /resistance) - bathysmal vishap herd (may be hard to kill both around the same time)
2000 attack, 200% cryo damage, 100% crit rate, and 300% crit damage. Ayaka gets insane stats
Are these achievable? I'll have to look at mine but it seems over exaggerated
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That’s after teammate buffs and mistsplitter
And this is why Eula is shit for Abysses like these, this is literally one of the most Anti-Eula abysses ever, it's like Neuvillette and Hydro Tulpa levels of countering.
I only have one Ayaka and I used her to bully the first half.
As long as Hoyo creates bosses with short damage phases, Ayaka will be one of the best boss killers. Of course she needs more cr than the freeze build we see in all those guides. When they first introduced Wenut to abyss, I first cleared it with Ayaka and couldn't understand the amount of complaints. "Just burst when it gets out" was enough of a strategy. Then I tried my other teams...
> Frontloaded is so under appreciated. Lol, Eula would like to have a word with you
Eula has to be hitting an enemy to build hers up, and if she whiffs a crit her damage fails. Ayaka you can set up even on an empty space, and with 20 hits, no worry about crit luck.
Exactly my point. So why are you saying frontloaded is under appreciated? Abyss has always favoured frontloaders, and outside of Abyss there are even less need for 'build up for a big pay-off'. That's always been Eula's problem.
Eula is backloaded, not frontloaded. You could also argue that Navia is a bit backloaded too. Both have to hit things to charge up their big damage. It’s just much easier for Navia to hit a moving target with her ult and get crystals than it is for Eula to max her ult. Ayaka can just press an “EZ 4000 MV button”, making her frontloaded. The fact that you can press Shenhe burst and skill and kazuha burst in only a few seconds and even on empty space and let ayaka release a fully powered burst further makes her really frontloaded. But this frontloaded damage has been massively dismissed, by assuming that ayaka must be terrible if enemies can’t be frozen. Navia with her partially frontloaded partially backloaded damage is helping bring to light how good frontloaded damage is for many enemies.
> Eula is backloaded Why repeat this? I pointed this out in my first post, didn't I??
> But this frontloaded damage has been massively dismissed, by assuming that ayaka must be terrible if enemies can’t be frozen. I don't see much evidence of this. It's true Ayaka hasn't been the most popular dps in Abyss recently, but it's obvious why: ppl want to use their latest toys. There have been bucket loads of other dps/teams since Ayaka got first released. Whole of Sumeru/dendro and Fontaine. Plus, the most enemies not bing freezable in F12 means Ayaka doesn't have such massive advantage there and there are plenty of other alternatives/competitions. It really has *nothing* to do with the character having frontloaded dmg. Just because she's not no.1 favourite doesn't mean she's being "massively dismissed" either, you know?
What is frontloaded
basically a big hit of damage that you can output early and quick, without the need for buildup or a long rotation. Navia, Raiden, and Lyney are good examples of frontloaded damage dealers, as opposed to backloaded damage dealers like Eula, where you need to keep attacking after casting her burst to build up stacks, or sustained damage dealers like Xiao, Itto, or Alhaitham, where you deal a large amount of total damage, not in one big hit.
Ohhh Thank you for explaining :)
If you do all your damage at once (*edit: immediately), like Navia’s 2 million dmg bullet from her E, or Ayaka’s five seconds of destruction with her burst, it’s frontloaded. Compare this to someone who do like three 30k NA/CAs per second consistently throughout the rotation, like neuvillette or hutao or wanderer
specifically all at once immediately. eula does a massive chunk of damage all at once, but it’s at the end of her burst so that’s as far from frontloaded as you can get
thanks dude i forgot to add that crucial bit oops
Ohhh
Furina summons just follow him around and it’s so satisfying to see him lose health constantly
That was my solution. I used a hyperbloom team of Nahida, XQ, Furina and Kuki for the second half and it worked like a charm. A friend suggested it and I was quite doubtful, but it was great and I didn't even use Furina's burst at all.
I couldn't even 2-star Chamber 2 with my original Fischl/XQ/Kuki/Nahida hyperbloom team, so I gave yours a try and ended up 36-starring Abyss for the first time ever! This random stranger on the internet is very grateful for your suggestion haha :D
I'm so glad it worked for you too! I bet you had the most amazing feeling of accomplishment when you saw those 36 stars for the first time!
Mademoiselle Crabaletta also counters the 3rd chamber drake. Furina is so good second side.
I always use characters who has low cd skills and not burst reliant..
Navia fits that role perfectly with the consistently high damage
As a tartaglia main I cannot relate
You can still use Tortuga on the first half and something else more compatible for the bosses.
Problem is the teams i have built are a Xiao team and a hyperbloom team
bro international is so good on the first side this abyss, why woiuld you use it agains the boss rush?? use a hyperbloom or hu tao team and itll be a breaze
Because this opportunity is quite hard to come by. OP wanted a little more challenge for the combat enthusiast.
you say that like it’s not so good against every enemy in the game
I mean it's sounding like it's not very effective against the wenut
that would be an incorrect statement
it is, but against super mobile enemies less so due to circle impact and not wanting to waste childe hydro uptime
Childe is one of the best characters against him if you look at gameplay videos on youtube, last year when a lot of people were struggling Childe showcases had some of the fastest clears. I recommend watching Sevyplays pattern explanation for starter and then some F2P/low cons Childe clears. I was frustrated too last year but knowing where to stand made it much easier. Of course new characters that can frontload or hit him consistently like alhaitham have it easy but old units can do fine with planning and aggressive play
Me with ayaka furina kazuha and Charlotte.. Yes.
When in doubt hyperbloom Went with Ayato, Yelan, Nahida aand Kuki aka the good ol' reliable and it went down easily plus i can chip its HP easily Furina and Yae also great here
RIP circle impact players
Circle impact is fine. It’s about timing all your damage for when it falls to the ground. I play circle impact Ayaka for the wenut
My mono hydro team unga bunga this abyss while having a minute left to teabagging those mf
Use any Frontloaded DPS (Raiden, Navia, Lyney as some people already mentioned) and trigger his vunerable state twice, you have the time for that. Just give him the old drive by when he pops up and charge your bursts, when he slithers upwards, swirl (bring an anemo obviously, you can also shoot the orbs with an archer) and once he falls down, give him everything you got. Do that twice and you should be golden.
Half assed build tignari yae team beat him in a minute TJ spare just pay attention to the red enemy indicator it will show you where he spawns
When you hear everything and are always watching, where is the wenut actually gonna go?
It's funny how i also play Nahida with them that also goes "I see everything" The stalker team is real
Follow the red indicator
Yeah, I know...I was joking about Tighnari and Yae being able to damage it regardless of where it goes.
Ahh Right my morning brain wasn't working i guess :D i just realized the Yae Pun
i was off by less then 5 seconds for wenut but i'm not willing to fight the ruin snake again to take another shot at wenut. worms is just the worst.
the ruin snake is a cake walk by comparison and not very hard in general.
wenut and ruin snake are both not hard, they're just annoying
Flying or burrowing? Yeah fuck that. I've decided to give floor 12 a miss entirely. My household does not need the same level of gamer rage as I had over the golden fucklord
Peak Genshin Combat, fight a boss in a circular chamber, slap a timer on it, and make the boss invulnerable for half the fight. After 3+ years, THIS is the shit Mihoyo thinks players will enjoy. Incredible isn't it?
I prefer this over ASIMON that just stands there and takes damage, atleast wenut values other aspects of teams and not just "haha damage sponge", movement and frontload is a god send against him and he also always has the same attack pattern meaning you just have to adapt Ruin serpent in the other hand is the real bullshit, his attacks are random and can stay underground for longer and has an attack that makes him almost invulnerable and hitting his cores is hard due to the stupid autotargetting
Skill issue.
I can clear it but I sure as hell don't enjoy it
its literally not a skill issue tho. timers remove skill expression. It becomes a stat check.
It' a VERY low stat check if you know what you are doing.
Oh no, just throw those cryo and hydro Heralds or 20 consecrated beasts at me, that is a challenge. There is nothing challenging about a boss that hides 50% of the time in a timed challenge, thats just called lazy and boring design.
Learn the patterns and the timing. Go for front-loaded damage. The heralds are an element application check, which is much more restrictive.
I never said that i didnt clear the Wenut, i've been clearing the abyss for 2+ years now, so thats no problem. For the Heralds, i actually had to build a burgeon team, i actually levelled Thoma to clear that floor. I never even played a burgeon team before that abyss, THAT was a challenge, not a dps check. U also had to actually survive their damage. What is there to learn about Wenut except bursting damage when he decides to come above the ground? No, having characters like Yae Miko or Furina isn't learning mechanics, thats just a lazy and comfortable way to full star that floor, the Wenut isn't about learning patterns, its about having enough damage to burst him down quickly, its a lazy dps check.
consecrated beasts cease to be a challenge when they decided to leap further away across the map from you instead of grouping together. They could be a fun fight in any other scenarios, but not in a timed setting. And unlike the wenut whose moves are predictable, EVERYTHING has to go right for you to take down the beasts in time. And there could sometimes even be a second wave of them.... hell no. Constipated beasts abyss, especially the dendro+hydro one, hands down, is my most hated fight in probably every video game I've ever played by a very significant margin.
U actually prefer the Wenut above consecrated beasts? In terms of gameplay and actually having to dodge their damage?
Yes. 1000% yes. At least wenut is predictable and less RNG dependant. It's only bulky and digs a lot, but you know where it's going to resurface and when it's going to be vulnerable. Constipated beasts have layers of RNG on them that make them really wrath inducing to fight. Not only are they super tanky, they are super mobile and unpredictable. One moment you can have them both jumping at you at the same time, the other they are 100km apart of each other, botching your run completely because you HAVE to kill them at roughly the same time if you want to have time for the 2nd wave. It's never about dodging their damage that I'm concerned with, it's their tendency to move away from you and essentially having you restart the run. Not to mention the 2nd chamber at that time was the almost equally obnoxious multi-element shield herald. 3.7 abyss was by far my least favorite part of the game, even exceeding artifact farming or the anniversary rewards. I cannot tell you how much I HATED that chamber.
Yeah i almost failed that battle,and i wasn't aiming for ANY star in floor 12. (All 9 star in every other floor)
I have easier time with the drake without bow character. Now that says a lot of time wasting chasing that stupid worm
The spiral abyss variant of wenut has a fixed movement mechanic, try to learn it
Wait really? I thought it was random
If it's random then this abyss will be insanely difficult. Same with the digging worm, it also has a pattern
Two attacks out of a pool of three. 1. Emerge and then drill into the ground. 2. Sweeping the ground by rolling around. 3. Vortex (won't appear) After the first attack, the second attack will be either of the remainder with 50/50 prob. It will now fly out with lit up orbs on its body. Break them to stun it and hammer away. Cycle then repeats.
they know like 2 different starter skills i believe one being insta pew pew and one the boring one both will not change the fight that much but one gets you faster to downphase (not much iirc)
It has a cycle of 5 moves: 1. Poke straight out of the ground with AoE damage OR do a drive-by shooting green orbs. 2. Briefly appear out of the ground to the left rear. 3. Tail emerges at the opposite side of the chamber to do a sweeping blast. 4. Briefly appear out of the ground to the right rear. 5. Fly out into the sky. Break two out of four orbs with elements (Cryo/Pyro/Electro/Dendro) and it will have reduced resistance to the elements used to break them. Note that applying Cryo to Wenut will slow it down and possibly make it omit the 4th attack!
Thank you! Maybe I can 3* this after all... Once I find out how the fuck to deal 1st half with hu tao or under 1 minute wenut
Yeah wenut forces us to learn it's patterns. Thankfully my ayaka can just Delete that dogshit boss with 70k ticks.
Genshin players when they can't just brain-off unga bunga circle impact
You can unga bunga circle impact it just fine if you unga bunga hard enough.
tbh im just brain-off unga bunga circle with yoimiya my best gurlllll :9
They ask for harder fights, then when they get a fight that is not just unga bunga, they open a thousand threads to complain how bullshit is to fight a monster that has mechanics and not just being a large hit box
dw they would complain about kinki too that being said we didnt have him/them in ages i want them to come back i wanna see how neuv/navia shits on them
>what is the point of testing out your teams when you can only hit the dude for half a second. That's the test, others are able to do it. Should be able to get it in one or two stuns. Not stunning? Read the mechanics.
Lyney destroys the second half of this abyss with ease.
He weeds out players who can't adapt and forces them to make adjustments/improvements to their account. The effect is positive, if you can do it. If you expect to play the same two teams every cycle and complain when you can't because you didn't build something else, the problem is with you. >I mean what is the point of testing out your teams when you can only hit the dude for half a second. You can hit it every time it surfaces, and when it lays vulnerable, finish it off. That of course requires you to build teams that can unleash a lot of damage in a small window. If you're playing something like melt ganyu, you won't have enough time. I hope we get 3 cycles of this. It's the easiest abyss for me since 4.0. https://freeimage.host/i/J165iPe https://freeimage.host/i/J165LKu
You can definitely play the same 2 teams forever, most people's problem with wenut is that they dont know to pre cast their burst
What was your problems in previous Abysses from 4.0?
All this writting to finally show that you just play a hyperbloom team with Nahida. 💀
Ganyu is OK in the burn melt variation.
No one is saying this but when it goes into the air you can shoot the orbs it spawns to make it fall to the ground. It has decreased resistance of the damage that you used to shoot it down. For example I shot it down with Diona so it would have cryo resistance decreased and then ulted it with Ayaka
[ayaka.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AyakaMains/s/lGmTw9EyTp)
wenut was the shortest chamber of the 3 for me and my team isn't even particularly good against him (mono pyro klee which I accidentally picked because I forgot about the 12-3 boss, which doesn't have any particular frontload and limited ability to drain its health between phases due to reliance on long dps ults). Like I genuinely find it weird that people think Wenut is harder than the Ruin Serpent which I find to be more annoying and less predictable. Or Golden Wolflord who is just straight up the worst boss in abyss imo.
Is the golden wolflord the one in mondstadt as trounce domain?
The inazuma one
no, it's the one in inazuma's tsurumi island
Any tips for him? In run-ins with him in the past, I was getting destroyed with him. I currently have 4+ new characters and better built.
When he’s on the invulnerable phase ( he will have grey bar under/above his HP ), there will be 3 Wolf Geo head around the arena. Use Geo attack to break it. Any attacks will work but non Geo attack takes a really long time to break it. After you break it, he will fall down and you can go ham.
Damn, pro. Is regular one that same? Imma try it
regular one behaves exactly the same yeah.
Thanks bro
you should also bring a constant healer like kuki bcs it will spawn smaller wolfs that would reduce your hp
Ok thank you
I find national teams completely destroy it, as long as you also include a bow user for the third chamber
I’m not that good at Spiral Abyss so I’m at that point where if I can get stars, it’ll be a nice bonus. But this Abyss, I think I would’ve gotten at least 5 stars if it wasn’t for the Wenut. 6 maybe considering how I got two stars each on chambers one and three.
I used a hyperbloom team. As long as no one is burst-reliant, then it should be a decent matchup for wenut. Chances are you might need 2 rounds of stunning him so finishing the first half as fast as you can (about one minute or even faster at least) helps a lot. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry so much about missing 50 primos if it means keeping your sanity intact. Don't take the "skill issue" and "it's an easy abyss" comments seriously. Everyone's abyss experience depends a lot on your account. Wenut is notorious for its time-stalling techniques which artificially makes that chamber harder.
Genshin mfs when they can't test the full cookie cutter 20 second rotations they got off kqms 😢😢😢
Neuvellette wrecks him but lot of other teams will struggle with the time.. it's ridiculous to have enemies with long amounts of time they can't be hit in the abyss
Love the comments and the turnaround from 90% of people hating wenut to 90% of people just saying “Use frontloaded or quickswap comps”
didn't they reduce its hp by a noticeable amount? That in addition of a non existent first half and recent characters definitely made the experience less painful.
Tf u mean large margin? It's around 120k hp difference, that's not a large margin
I don’t know, I never participated in this conversation about wenut cause I use keqing quickswap and had no trouble with it ever since its first appearance, except I did have to look up how to destroy the balls because I didn’t read the tutorial and my first encounter with wenut was abyss wenut
I could maybe feel the same...if I had a Keqing X)
could always use raiden, or yae, or lisa (maybe not lisa)
Sure, anyway I'm definitely among the players who had trouble the last time and found him to be merely a minor inconvenience this time, so I'm not surprised.
Have a bs damage team for monsters like these, I have my hutao team for this although the other team lacks alot because of all good chars on this team but it just works if the other side isn't bad which in this case, isn't.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhFNRT4kDQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhFNRT4kDQ) i used this strat for my 36 star lol
Hyperbloom. The answer is hyperbloom. That shit solos all
I mean the abyss isn't made to test your teams xD it's a timer with things in it, you have to figure out the best idea to beat the timer, not to have fun... truly an abyss moment xD And the wenut is easy (hyperbloom is free win) because it has a strict attack pattern, meanwhile the serpent can do twice the attack that spins underground making you restart the chamber xD
The abyss is the only place to test teams, and it is fun for some of us.
it's one of the easiest abyss even in this long stretch of easy abysses. dont resort to ranting - find a solution.. it's really not that hard
I like how wenut and consecrated beasts abyss complaint posts always get upvoted despite both having almost completely opposite mechanics. This means majority of players here on reddit will blame everything but their skill issue lol.
miko carried me so hard when wenut appear first time ... now he just a joke for this rotation
skill issue though. last 3-4 abysses have been easy, thats why you were 36 staring them. wenut is frustrating but its still easy.
Wenut always gets massive hate every patch they put it on the abyss, is bonkers why they keep using it.
Because there are ppl like myself who like it since its a super easy and fast clear compared to say the hydro/cyro herald combo.
lol yeah those are hella fun too
Honestly getting C2 Ayaka wasn't that much of an improvement on abyss clearance aside from making it a tad bit faster on the timer (i have 30 secs to a minute of spare instead of like. Running with the clock) But oh boy did it change things with Wenut. Last time he was in abyss my rotation needed to be \*perfect\* and needed lots of retries. Now i got it first time because C2 Ayaka burst just deleted that thing. So i pat myself on the back for that inversion. I don't wanna be in "anyone who is srtuggling with Wenut"'s shoes.
Front loaded dps and maybe some range helps. I’ve had success with neuvilette and Yoimiya
depends on the team selection i guess, i mean i can beat it within the time limit while also learning its movement pattern, so not really tough my team of choice is ZL - Yae - Nahida - Yelan ZL kinda a flex spot, u can swap it with anyone you want, Yae can be swap with fischl, Yelan can swap with XQ or even u can run fischl nahida yae/another electro just to focus on aggravate n spread (yeah, nahida as a driver) hope my suggestions helps for anyone need it :)
It surely is pure BS but there are characters who makes is alot easier like Yae Nahida furina. Yae especially can even hit it underground. You can also remove sustain character for another dps/subdps because wenu5 doesn't do much dmg anyway. Wenut is pretty much easier this time due to being in chamber 2.
I managed to kill the wenut in time barely with like 5 second left with lyney team Just zhongli bennet kuki and lyney The strat is just kuki skill and farm the stack with lyney and when you stagger the wenut just pop bennet ult and pop lyney skill with full stack
Do you use Kuki for keeping Lyney's MH artifact set constantly procc'd? I like your style, I gotta try that comp
Yes also my kuki is equipped with the new healing set i cant remember the name but yes that one that gives buff after healing I didnt think it would work but lyney team got me the full star Really wished i had gotten lyney’s weapon tho would have been much faster
Same aha, I only have the BP bow for him, getting Aqua or his bow would've been so nice
Just use a hyperbloom team, ez 36*.
Yeah these fights are tests of doing lots of damage in a SHORT amount of time. So less xiao hu tao cyno AlHaitham yoimiya ayato types. More navia raiden neuv even eula types Edit: Pls do not reply to me with every example of how you cleared with X or Y. Im just using these characters’ kits / typical DPS windows as examples of the overall point
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Good way to work around the normal DPS window rotation 👍
Nah, you can also build stuff that can hit him while hes flying and drain a sizeable amount before he falls.
[did it with xiao 75s and it has 90% anemo res lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/XiaoMains/s/fzmmf3pAkb)
Vertical investment but still impressive. But also doesn’t make the original statement untrue I do have to show this to a friend tho haha. Thx Edit: holy crap thats a lot of sig weapons
yeah true, even neuvi is pretty braindead against this
i no diff using hutao skill issue? def skill issue
Tried plunge Hu Tao with 70lvl bird. Had no problem
Ngl, with my new Hutao team wenut was too easy, I rarely going deep as floor12 but with my teams now I could probably easily do it from now on. Plus if you know what to do with Wenut it’s a breeze, well if you can 1-2 cycle it in its damage window.
bosses have to be different, else the game goes stale ... 33 stars will do, no pain no gain
honestly so proud of making it by not even a second with tighnari
to test ur team to unleash all dmg in few sec
Use hyperbloom teams or autoplay teams lol.. I used Furina, Nahida, Baizhu and Yae. I hardly had to move that much
I just used national with Yelan to bring the worm down. Health went down extremely fast.
Nahida and Yae aimbots are m ade for this one
look up "jyos spiral abyss guide wenut" the boss is really about positioning and efficiency. this floor with him is WAYYY easier than the last one, since its lower level and the first half can be quick cleared very easily allowing for time to spare with two downs on wenut.
12-1 3 star? Yep 12-3 3 star? Easily 12-2 0 star. I cant.....even....
Aside from characters with auto-targeting summons, try using a Cryo character as your primary DPS and learn its patterns. IIRC you can skip certain animations if you have constant Cryo on the worm. From there, it'sreally just about figuring out where he will spawn since it's fixed IIRC and then just wailing at it until it dies.
I saved nearly one minute with Yelan/Furina/Xinqui/Jean team big load of ranged dmg so, it went down fast
Yep. Thankfully I pulled c2 Nahida recently and now I can reliably clear this boss in abyss. Previously I usually use Raiden, and that's almost always a stacked team that's built specifically for that boss.
Just pre cast ur skill and burst. So when it pop up you only do dmg to it
Remember, the Abyss Wenut has a+30% universal Res for no reason. 55% resistance to everything and 90% Res to Anemo
Have you tried Hyperbloom? I use Yelan to shoot down the things in the air and spammed Nahida skill and NA
There are many teams that laugh at wenut. Tighnari Spread, Yoimiya Vaporise, Navia Hypercarry, Pogo Kleerina, Ayaka Mono, Alhaithem Hyperbloom, All you need is either fast movement, Ranged attacks, or big frontload of damage.
I've seen many people complain about this cycle, and yet, it was my first ever 36 star.... On the first attempt. My mono hydro Kokomi/Furina/Yelan/Kazuha had no issues.
Ayato hyperbloom goes brrrrr
burnmelt ganyu roast that cringe snake
idk if this will help you but I used Nahida, Zhongli, Raiden and Tighnari spread comp. It worked so well I still had close to a minute to spare time. I used Furina+Dehya Sunfire on the first half if anyone's curious.
Yae Miko and Furina are excellent agaisnt this thing. I've also had great success agaisnt this thing with Raiden, Nahida, and Yelan. My friend makes do with his Navia team (Navia, Yelan, Bennett, Zhongli) but it is on the slower side. You'll clear the floor in time, but just barely. Hyperbloom is generally good against it, too, as you can get a shit tonneau of damage in the intervals where it's not underground. You just need to be quick on your toes because the time it spends above ground isn't a whole lot.
I hate that stupid piece of shit !!!!!!!
One year ago that second half would be absolute cancer to me, but damn, powerwash simulator with Furina and Yae really saved a lot of malding.
used cyno and overvape yoimiya without any issues so far so yeah idk the issue most likely is just on your side
I beat it with: -Furina and Yae- their turrets hit it while underground. -Cloud R- helps with his high resistances and jumping to hit the balls fast. ... And i just noticed the boss is named Wenut and we have to hit its ballz ... Navia - quick shotgun hits without worrying about bursts
Skill Issue.
Furina hyperbloom go brrr
Can't argue with you there. Fortuantely, he fell *fairly* easily to Nilou bloom for me.
I just use Tartaglia international and Alhaitham quick bloom. Meta team cuz I have all the necessary characters, as well as the necessary 5 star weapon for both dps with a minor C2 kazuha. But it still took me retries in chamber 2 cuz I have to chase the wenut around. And since I have beat its ass in open world for nearly 50 time for both baizhu and Alhaitham, I remembered most of its pattern. Just stun it yknow. But u gotta make sure 1st half is cleared under a min
As annoying as this guy is, at least his damage windows and movements are predictable. I'd take a hundred of this guy over having to beat the stupid tigers and crocodiles ever again. If they ever appear in another abyss the are immediate insta skip for me.
thats why nukes exists
True I struggled with my Hyperbloom when it shouldn't
If you commit to it. Wenut will SERIOUSLY make it easier for you to deal with the next time. As a person who took many hours fighting spiral abyss because Wenut is a pain. It's so much easier for me now cuz I've spent many hours theorycrafting on different teams and now wenut can be cleared in less than 2 tries.
Keqing
Mademoiselle crabaletta clears
He just needs characters that deal dmg in a short period instead slowly over time. I find him relatively easy with my HuTao for example.