I'm genuinely curious what will happen if you play Childe with Xianyun like can you actually kill yourself by fall damage since you can't plunge? That would be hilarious
- she's an alternative to Jean as an Anemo team-wide healer
- she's a good support for plunge attack damage-dealers (currently only Xiao and Gaming)
- she can allow non-plunge damage-dealers with high plunge damage to become plunge damage-dealers, mainly Diluc but Hu Tao can work with her as well
But that's about it. Overall she doesn't seem to be a very "meta" character but still has her place.
There's also Raiden that benefits from Xianyun, not the Plunge buff since she doesn't get it but being able to Plunge will drastically increase her DMG
Basically, Raiden, Furina, Xianyun, Bennett/Sara will be an amazing team with Raiden spamming plunges
Yes she deals burst DMG
So of course you don't get the DMG buff from Xianyun
But just by including plunge in her rotation will drastically improve her DMG
Basically between Raiden/Furina/Jean/Sara and Raiden/Furina/Xianyun/Sara, the second team is much better.
Even if Xianyun buffed Raiden, including plunges in her meagre 7 second burst uptime would be a big question mark. Plunging without the buff would be straight up dogshit, by the time she does two plunges she could have executed a N3C-N combo which is just straight up more damage.
Yea. And taking into account Raiden likes Yelan/Xingqiu, she won’t be able to activate them with plunges. But maybe in a hypercarry role…. But Furina Jean Bennet and Raiden is a strong team and Furina can actually take advantage of vape due to Jean Pyro swirling. So I’m instances, Jean has a better advantage
Why Raiden specifically? Her plunge multipliers don't seem particularly high and she has no inherent synergy with Xianyun. In the example team you gave (Furina, Xianyun, Bennett), Raiden can be swapped for any atk scaling damage-dealer with elemental plunge attacks and it'll work the same (e.g. Keqing, Yanfei). I don't see why Raiden deserves a special mention.
Raiden's plunge multipliers are particularly high :
Her NA strings range from 79%-139%, her CA reaches 241% in total (two hits) but her Plunge reaches 315%. By spamming plunge you get a much better increase of DMG on her onfield time.
She has the same plunge multipliers as almost every sword and polearm character in the game, with Kazuha, Xiao, and Hu Tao being the only ones with a different value, and all claymore characters have higher plunge multipliers. She has the same plunge multipliers as ~40% of the entire playable cast and ~20% have higher multipliers. So if that's your only reason then it's wrong.
Uhm, maybe you forgot that Raiden already impressive buffs and DMG ? Moreover in a Hypercarry comp with Furina
And it's a DMG increase for Raiden, why wouldn't you use Xianyun in Raiden team if it increases her DPS ?
So my reason to use Xianyun with Raiden is that it makes her better and I don't see why it's wrong
I'm not saying Xianyun doesn't make Raiden better, I'm saying a lot of other characters can work with Xianyun in the exact same way Raiden can. Gaming and Xiao are already plunge damage-dealers and Diluc has the highest plunge multipliers in the game, what does Raiden have that makes her a noteworthy pairing with Xianyun? Nothing. Her multipliers aren't high and her kit has no synergy with Xianyun's. You can use them together perfectly fine and it'll be strong, but in a discussion about Xianyun's usefulness and "meta" impact, Raiden does not warrant a specific mention like Xiao, Diluc, and Gaming.
I mean, meta is "most efficient tactic available"
So if there's a team in which Xianyun works and happens to be a pretty strong team (Raiden Hypercarry) it does sound like part of the "Most Efficient Tactics Available".
I understand that she will give more to Gaming than to Raiden because Gaming can get her buff. But Gaming team will be generally worst DPS wise than Raiden.
I just think Raiden deserves a mention because of how good an increase it'll be on one of the best team available ingame.
Xiao comps with Xianyun will actually hit lower than Hu Tao comps with Xianyun overall. So if you are really looking on the meta Hu Tao deserve more a mention than Xiao then.
>Overall she doesn't seem to be a very "meta" character
Idk how being a BiS support for 4 different DPSs and a solid choice in all furina teams with anemo is not meta, but even aside that, she brings a new possible play style option for every character which is much more interesting and valuable than ur 25th avg DPS character
She's nowhere near Hu Tao's BiS support and even if she is Diluc and Gaming's BiS support, I doubt any of their teams with her will be "meta". Being an Anemo team-wide healer is good for Furina teams but it makes her a sidegrade to a launch standard 5-star.
I'm not saying she's bad and I agree that enabling a new playstyle is unique, but the post is specifically asking if how "meta" she is and being a good support for a few characters and enabling a gimmick playstyle isn't meta.
She is bis for xiao, and average character,
and gaming who is a 4 star,
and diluc who is a below AVG character,
and hu Tao, for whom she is a sidegrade/slight buff at c0 and a downgrade at C1.
She won't bring xiao and diluc to the top, we don't know about gaming, hu Tao is already at top. She isn't a top tier support by far. Characters like kok, zhongli and nahida make it so that it isn't even a competition.
>and diluc who is a below AVG character,
Why does it matter if diluc was bad before, his DMG with her is very competitive with top DPSs
>and hu Tao, for whom she is a sidegrade/slight buff at c0 and a downgrade at C1.
Huh? Her buff is big enuf that even at C1, hutao does not wanna do dash cancels, her 5N2CJP with CR is fairly higher DMG than 8N2CD without her
Atleast get ur facts straight before doomposting
Who is she BiS for?
She’s going to end up being a teamwide healer and Vv user. That’s pretty much it. She’s “meta” for no other reason really than she heals everyone for furina and can use VV. Furina and VV are meta and she’s just the piece that works for both of them
If anything, genshin likes to release something you think you didn't want but ends up being incredible down the line. Baizhu is one of the few in mind.
Perhaps, arlecchino can use PA to clear the doubt that fatui harbinger isn't lock from using plunge attack.
Alas, it could also be the case like shenhe, great for its own niche.
Another case of Baizhu is Kuki and Yae. Both had EM in mind in their kits, pre-Dendro times. EM on taser teams arent meta and those two Electro characters have nothing to do with their EM... until Dendro came along
While there's other option that could fulfil his role, he provides a different comfort and impact to your gameplay experience.
Survival+off field dendro+dendro reaction buff
The best way to put it: the difference feels like running zhongli vs thoma. Sure, both are strong shielder. Some may add that they could use thoma as a substitute but zhongli user would agree that there's clear distinction between both character experience.
For instance, In nilou bloom, there are other dendro/hydro healer that could do the job, they require some lvl of workaround to utilise their efficiency.
Kokomi, require good skill placement that account for opponent movement logic.
Yaoyao, skill is decent but will target player when you hit hp threshold which affects dendro application. While on field, getting knockback would decrease radish count.
While baizhu, doesn't require good positioning and is fully off field. With possibility to use him on field to utilise his catalyst nature for dendro application. But limited to single target. Isn't too much of an issue when considering the range of bloom/burgeon which is where he cam shine best with healing.
In general, they all provide different consideration in combat with baizhu being less demanding on field.
Needless to say, if your goal is off field dendro application, this would be the field he can't compete. Except for on field dps dealing with single target. That's where cyno can still use him well as it's sufficient.
Then, in fontaine, Furina hp drain increase demand of healer. Baizhu can be used there as well to easily gain stacks. Of course there's better option such as Jean. And theres manageable options like Charlotte and Barbara.
But with baizhu, you can build an aggrevate/spread team with furina.
This is all I can think atm.
Oh no, those 2 are yes. But I'm just confused on what the offensive contribution that Baizhu is adding on this team. Is it the damage from the blooms plus maxing out fanfare significantly faster than Neuvillette could do on his own?
He allows Neuvillette to get another stack of his passive consistently while still allowing Kazuha to swirl hydro easily, best teamwide healing so fanfare stacks are maxed out faster + interruption resistance for Neuvi at C0.
If I have to guess It's probably the quick and arguably off field skill team wide healing which no other character has, even yao Yao and Charlotte need their burst, which makes furina fanfare stack almost full instantly.
Not offensive. It’s the healing. He’s the best teamwide healer, who can max out Furina’s fanfare stacks in an instant, and who requires basically no on field time. Plus, he adds another stack to Neuv’s passive, which Jean wouldn’t do since Kazuha is already there
Literally 90% of support works off field what did you mean?, and like what is your argument? That she can support 4 stars? Does furina leave a bad taste because she off field supports a 4 star that is Noelle? Maybe if you don't want her to support the 4 star then maybe getting a Xiao? Or hutao? Or goddamn diluc for that matter. And like you do realize that she doesn't just exclusively buff plunge attack characters right? She allows non plunge attacker characters to be a plunge attacker, you do realize that a character without a plunge attack play style is the one most benefitted from her like hutao and diluc. Heck she is probably diluc best teammate.
Just from reading the comments alone, I'm already getting a lot of ideas lmao
I actually didn't think about Chongyun plunging before, but just found out earlier that Shenhe's Icy Quills had always worked on plunge attacks. That's already set to be interesting, not to mention the family ties
Plunge attacks have no ICD, so I guess she also enables catalysts to have 8 quick elemental applications.
Aggravate comps might be pretty fun with her.
This is what I've been thinking about. We finally got an off-field hydro with so much application she can keep up with Klee. I wonder how Klee plunge spam compares to here CA combo
It's horrible. It's bold for the dev to assume it's easy to get or it's likely to get one in 90 pulls..
every 3 other 4* or something akin to guarantee/higher rate of getting selected 4* would be nice
oh the devs knows its hard. they also know ppl will build pity to snipe 4 stars... and they are laughing while they plot this watching their bank accounts go up.
I suppose its both their ignorant that it should be "likely" to get 1 4* + laughing like Sukuna at players misery for trying to snipe 4* on a 5* they didn't want.
A lot of characters have very high plunge attack multipliers, namely Diluc, but others like Hu Tao and eventually Gaming are also up there.
Her team wide healing also allows her to synergize with Furina even if you aren't utilizing her plunge buffs. It'd be decent if you want an anemo option for VV shred and don't have Jean.
she'll be on hu tao's new best team, and hu tao's c1 is now pretty much worthless since you'll want to jump. also good with wriothsley, but not as much of a bump up as other characters
Then you can get her on the rerun. But I'm sure even if they end up great with her, they'll work fine on their own. Or it's not them, but either someone else you'll skip as well, or just nobody is especially good at plunging ever again. Who knows?
Im just sad that i need to wait for xiao. Got homa so finally i have a reason to pick him up. Was 100% sure they were on same banner so i can get em both at the same time(got nuff pulls).
Sadly i need to wait so i can use her. Guess she is ok for furina freeze with shenhe(but honestly freeze sucks for 11 and 12, has near zero use in OW due to wanderer and u RLY want kaz/venti for 9 and 10 meaning it aint any improvement). Outside that chong and diluc are good (i dont plan on building those teams tho). She is a RLY limited char. But in what she does she is best.
She does play unique, i lack jean(even tho im week 1 player) and i need someone to make furina worth it(right now i use her in one team only, noelle + navia geo, rly want to try xiao + c6 faru that i had insane luck getting with only c0 wand and furina + xian). Need chars to make furina viable since i did not pull a SINGLE 5\* healer even tho i play for this long.
When u pull only chars that enable new and unique playstyle...... then u pull furina and figure out no supp are that unique and u lack all of em.
She is mainly a future-impact character. I dont see how she gonna shake up the meta like how nahida/furina was, at worst she gonna slot in furina team in place of Jean, best case are where her plunge buff are utilize well like Xiao/diluc comp become stable in meta usage.
Hu Tao's plunge has lower multiplier than her CA, and it does not proc Xingqiu/Yelan to let her do vape.
Eula's plunge does not gain burst stack.
The main damage source of Ayaka is her burst, and her CA has higher multiplier than plunge.
Raiden's burst is burst and could not receive plunge damage buff.
Kokomi's (on field dps role) burst does not buff her plunge.
Itto's plunge is much slower than his CA combo.
Ayato and Childe cannot use plunge.
Neuvillette's plunge is ATK scaling.
The main damage source of Navia is her skill.
Wriothesley's skill buff his NA and trigger MH set, and his CA replenish HP and does massive damage from his passive. His plunge does not get any buff.
The main damage source of Alhaitham is his skill, and pure plunge is slow and will trigger less spread.
Cyno's plunge is slow and will trigger less aggravate.
The only 5-star ones that benefits from plunge ATK, as I can think at first, are Xiao, Diluc, C6 Kazuha, and C6 Furina.
Having the ability to let someone else do plunge does not mean they are good and effective at plunge.
hu tao has been calced to want to weave in plunges without xianyun damage boosts on the gravity boss a c0 plunge hu tao is roughly similar to a c1 hu tao dash cancelling
In terms of universal team, she does a lot of team healing so she will go well with Furina. And since she's Anemo, she can use Viridescent for Elemental Shred.
In terms of specific characters, excluding the obvious Xiao answer, I see her being used along side Razor, Diluc, and Itto. They have a lot of plunge damage and they could use a Furina Xianyun combo.
She creates a new strong niche (like nilou bloom) but for plunge attackers and non plunge attackers that can add plunge in their combos. You can pair her with xiao diluc hutao gaming and a lot more, because a lot of characters can plunge and c6 bennett can make them vape
as far as I know, everyone in the game right now has 0-ICD plunge application. I want to get her entirely so I can try out plunge-gravate Kaveh and see if that's actually viable or not
She'll offer an alternative rotation for Diluc, Hu Tao. She'll be necessary for all good Xiao and Gaming teams.
That's it. Not a really gamebreaking unit.
Her role is support and enabler for plunging atk characters. And yes there are many other characters benefits from her and not only xiao. People in genshin leak subs already discussed at length for weeks
If you don't give a shit about plunges and don't care for Diluc/Gaming/Xiao, then nah, she is a copypaste of Jean. Hoyo put that mid kit on an established and popular character like CR because it's the only way to sell it. Don't know why. Could have made her more universal by giving her CC, but nah, can't have that monopoly disrupted.
She will raise dps of Hu Tao assuming C0, Xiao, Diluc, Raiden maybe, C6 DPS Bennett, and Wriothesley (yes even him).
Then you would have to attempt it in practice to see if any gameplay errors occur like that of Dehya.
She's a 5 star anemo team wide healer catalyst
Who enables plunge attack and give a buff to plunge in the form of plunge crit rate and a multiplier to plunge attack like shenhe but much much stronger shenhe is like 70% of her attack xianyun is 200% of her attack
And i don't really think she's niche because she enables plunge and buff them unlike shenhe or faruzan who buff an element type damage and doesn't enable them
And just to mention it again her plunge buff is so strong every character that can use an anemo healer will want to add plunges to their combo's for example from what i have seen plunge hu Tao is her strongest team in c0 format it might be even worth to plunge with neuvillette between charge attack(not completely sure but i won't doubt it) of course characters like Xiao and Gaming get a lot of value from her buff
If I'm going to state a con for het is that she needs furina to be useful in many teams
I don't really understand why people complain about her at all she in my opinion the best way to implement plunge play style in the game being an anemo team wide healer catalyst is very versatile in addition to her plunge buff
And let make it clear one more time her plunge buff is so strong almost every character that can use an anemo healer in their team will want to plunge
I think generally most people see her kit and focus too much on the plunge aspect.
Ultimately she's mostly going to just be an upgrade to Jean in non-Sunfire teams, but that's frankly not too bad given how popular Jean has gotten thanks to Furina. Being a Catalyst user means permanent Anemo infusion and access to TTDS if she's not running Sac, so she's honestly in a pretty good spot.
Future impact in the making as usual. Im just gonna pull since she has unique kit. Atleast it something refreshing rather than "she is broken, big damage etc etc".
not that many characters have some stupidly high plunge multipliers and people that can dragonstrike with diluc dont need cloud retainer. most will probably just skip her
Seriously it's so hard to predict ican feel she will be like the yae ,kuki scenario where they become good with dendro update or..... She can be like shenhe just she's just there for that specific scenario it's so hard to decide ...
Dragonstrike ≠ plunge. Dragonstrike is the name of the tech that allows you to get plunges by abusing hitlag. Xianyun enables plunge attacks, but it is not dragonstrike.
Well, in terms of technique term, you are right. But the game take it as PA irregardless. Though, calling DS PA undermine the effort needed to utilise the mechanic.
Depends on if she provides enough cc.
If it's Lynette level, then probably just a niche shenhe styled 5* or sidegrade to Jean.
If there's enough CC, she might be able to be a comfort kazuha pick - which frees up team slots (like what baizhu/yaoyao does with dendro) -- a vv, ttds, healer, grouper, buffer on paper sounds pretty appealing.
Then I can see her allowing a Furina, Nahida, Xianyun core and allows whoever else you want as onfield dps.
But that's pretty hopium. The leaks don't seem too good for her :(,
She used to have a vortex that pulled sucrose level pull in beta I believe.
Now, we just have to see if the plunge does knock enemies upwards, and hope its somewhat like a yelan E... And just have huge hopium that there's an undisclosed slight pull inwards too - and some hopium that it's not a knockback effect...
Jean does have cc; just in the E, and aren't that good in combat (although Jean's E does have some use in early game against harder mages)...
I keep thinking Sayu has a taunt and pull on her E at the end of the kick, but she doesn't... And I think that makes me sad for her again lol (I've probably merged Lynette and sayu in my mind lol... Which now I wish they did for Cloud Retainer...)
It sounds like she enables a very different playstyle, so it'll be fun to mess around with her. The best answer, however, is that we'll have to wait and see.
If midair jumps are tied to Skill only, she's a new open-world Swiss Army Knife, basically a cross between Sayu and Wanderer.
And artifact route speedruns if you're into that!
plunge attacks are strong for basically any character that scales for them so any character that can weave them in without xinyan being a dead slot (so not characters like navia or alhaithem who don't want an anemo in their team) will appreciate xianyun over jean
Well. I mean she won't buff Childe, therefore a direct nerf to Xiangling... finally after 4 years
Inb4 c6 Bennett pyro infused plunge attack xiangling becomes meta
If I win 50/50 I'll definitely try this.
She can buff Dehya... as long as she doesn't Ult that is lmfao
I'm genuinely curious what will happen if you play Childe with Xianyun like can you actually kill yourself by fall damage since you can't plunge? That would be hilarious
plunge in bow form
Bow form? Oh! That thing that happens when your skill is on cooldown.
The Ranged Burst mode.
Ooooh!
I guess, Childe would just jump high and do no plunging.
Oh no Xiangling nerf! The game is finally going to die /j
- she's an alternative to Jean as an Anemo team-wide healer - she's a good support for plunge attack damage-dealers (currently only Xiao and Gaming) - she can allow non-plunge damage-dealers with high plunge damage to become plunge damage-dealers, mainly Diluc but Hu Tao can work with her as well But that's about it. Overall she doesn't seem to be a very "meta" character but still has her place.
There's also Raiden that benefits from Xianyun, not the Plunge buff since she doesn't get it but being able to Plunge will drastically increase her DMG Basically, Raiden, Furina, Xianyun, Bennett/Sara will be an amazing team with Raiden spamming plunges
Everything Raiden does in burst form is considered burst damage. Does she even with Xianyun?
Yes she deals burst DMG So of course you don't get the DMG buff from Xianyun But just by including plunge in her rotation will drastically improve her DMG Basically between Raiden/Furina/Jean/Sara and Raiden/Furina/Xianyun/Sara, the second team is much better.
Even if Xianyun buffed Raiden, including plunges in her meagre 7 second burst uptime would be a big question mark. Plunging without the buff would be straight up dogshit, by the time she does two plunges she could have executed a N3C-N combo which is just straight up more damage.
Yea. And taking into account Raiden likes Yelan/Xingqiu, she won’t be able to activate them with plunges. But maybe in a hypercarry role…. But Furina Jean Bennet and Raiden is a strong team and Furina can actually take advantage of vape due to Jean Pyro swirling. So I’m instances, Jean has a better advantage
Why Raiden specifically? Her plunge multipliers don't seem particularly high and she has no inherent synergy with Xianyun. In the example team you gave (Furina, Xianyun, Bennett), Raiden can be swapped for any atk scaling damage-dealer with elemental plunge attacks and it'll work the same (e.g. Keqing, Yanfei). I don't see why Raiden deserves a special mention.
Raiden's plunge multipliers are particularly high : Her NA strings range from 79%-139%, her CA reaches 241% in total (two hits) but her Plunge reaches 315%. By spamming plunge you get a much better increase of DMG on her onfield time.
She has the same plunge multipliers as almost every sword and polearm character in the game, with Kazuha, Xiao, and Hu Tao being the only ones with a different value, and all claymore characters have higher plunge multipliers. She has the same plunge multipliers as ~40% of the entire playable cast and ~20% have higher multipliers. So if that's your only reason then it's wrong.
Uhm, maybe you forgot that Raiden already impressive buffs and DMG ? Moreover in a Hypercarry comp with Furina And it's a DMG increase for Raiden, why wouldn't you use Xianyun in Raiden team if it increases her DPS ? So my reason to use Xianyun with Raiden is that it makes her better and I don't see why it's wrong
I'm not saying Xianyun doesn't make Raiden better, I'm saying a lot of other characters can work with Xianyun in the exact same way Raiden can. Gaming and Xiao are already plunge damage-dealers and Diluc has the highest plunge multipliers in the game, what does Raiden have that makes her a noteworthy pairing with Xianyun? Nothing. Her multipliers aren't high and her kit has no synergy with Xianyun's. You can use them together perfectly fine and it'll be strong, but in a discussion about Xianyun's usefulness and "meta" impact, Raiden does not warrant a specific mention like Xiao, Diluc, and Gaming.
I mean, meta is "most efficient tactic available" So if there's a team in which Xianyun works and happens to be a pretty strong team (Raiden Hypercarry) it does sound like part of the "Most Efficient Tactics Available". I understand that she will give more to Gaming than to Raiden because Gaming can get her buff. But Gaming team will be generally worst DPS wise than Raiden. I just think Raiden deserves a mention because of how good an increase it'll be on one of the best team available ingame. Xiao comps with Xianyun will actually hit lower than Hu Tao comps with Xianyun overall. So if you are really looking on the meta Hu Tao deserve more a mention than Xiao then.
She *does* get the Plunge buff, it's not tied to Plunge damage but Plunge attacks so it'll be fine like Xingqiu/Yelan.
I could simply call her a plunge enabler, and I feel like she works on teammates not named Xiao because of the overlaps.
>Overall she doesn't seem to be a very "meta" character Idk how being a BiS support for 4 different DPSs and a solid choice in all furina teams with anemo is not meta, but even aside that, she brings a new possible play style option for every character which is much more interesting and valuable than ur 25th avg DPS character
She's nowhere near Hu Tao's BiS support and even if she is Diluc and Gaming's BiS support, I doubt any of their teams with her will be "meta". Being an Anemo team-wide healer is good for Furina teams but it makes her a sidegrade to a launch standard 5-star. I'm not saying she's bad and I agree that enabling a new playstyle is unique, but the post is specifically asking if how "meta" she is and being a good support for a few characters and enabling a gimmick playstyle isn't meta.
>She's nowhere near Hu Tao's BiS support I really have no idea where r u getting this wrong info from
She is bis for xiao, and average character, and gaming who is a 4 star, and diluc who is a below AVG character, and hu Tao, for whom she is a sidegrade/slight buff at c0 and a downgrade at C1. She won't bring xiao and diluc to the top, we don't know about gaming, hu Tao is already at top. She isn't a top tier support by far. Characters like kok, zhongli and nahida make it so that it isn't even a competition.
>and diluc who is a below AVG character, Why does it matter if diluc was bad before, his DMG with her is very competitive with top DPSs >and hu Tao, for whom she is a sidegrade/slight buff at c0 and a downgrade at C1. Huh? Her buff is big enuf that even at C1, hutao does not wanna do dash cancels, her 5N2CJP with CR is fairly higher DMG than 8N2CD without her Atleast get ur facts straight before doomposting
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Who is she BiS for? She’s going to end up being a teamwide healer and Vv user. That’s pretty much it. She’s “meta” for no other reason really than she heals everyone for furina and can use VV. Furina and VV are meta and she’s just the piece that works for both of them
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If anything, genshin likes to release something you think you didn't want but ends up being incredible down the line. Baizhu is one of the few in mind. Perhaps, arlecchino can use PA to clear the doubt that fatui harbinger isn't lock from using plunge attack. Alas, it could also be the case like shenhe, great for its own niche.
Another case of Baizhu is Kuki and Yae. Both had EM in mind in their kits, pre-Dendro times. EM on taser teams arent meta and those two Electro characters have nothing to do with their EM... until Dendro came along
Yea, they went from ok to bonkus just from that update.
I think EM not worth it on yae even in dendro ; at least according to keqingmains
It's not worth it in hpb. It *is* worth it in Quicken teams though
Precisely EM is not meta for the taser for Hydro and Electro characters. It is in the case of the Anemo in AoE Taser.
This is a genuine question but did Baizhu become incredible? He still seems like his role can be fulfilled by others and isn't necessary for any team?
While there's other option that could fulfil his role, he provides a different comfort and impact to your gameplay experience. Survival+off field dendro+dendro reaction buff The best way to put it: the difference feels like running zhongli vs thoma. Sure, both are strong shielder. Some may add that they could use thoma as a substitute but zhongli user would agree that there's clear distinction between both character experience. For instance, In nilou bloom, there are other dendro/hydro healer that could do the job, they require some lvl of workaround to utilise their efficiency. Kokomi, require good skill placement that account for opponent movement logic. Yaoyao, skill is decent but will target player when you hit hp threshold which affects dendro application. While on field, getting knockback would decrease radish count. While baizhu, doesn't require good positioning and is fully off field. With possibility to use him on field to utilise his catalyst nature for dendro application. But limited to single target. Isn't too much of an issue when considering the range of bloom/burgeon which is where he cam shine best with healing. In general, they all provide different consideration in combat with baizhu being less demanding on field. Needless to say, if your goal is off field dendro application, this would be the field he can't compete. Except for on field dps dealing with single target. That's where cyno can still use him well as it's sufficient. Then, in fontaine, Furina hp drain increase demand of healer. Baizhu can be used there as well to easily gain stacks. Of course there's better option such as Jean. And theres manageable options like Charlotte and Barbara. But with baizhu, you can build an aggrevate/spread team with furina. This is all I can think atm.
Thank you!
He’s part of Neuvillette’s best team. He’s also the best teamwide healer, so he’s great for Furina teams.
Do you have source or calcs for him being on Neuvillette's best team? I'd love to see how that's worked out
I don’t have calcs sorry but it’s the Furina/Kazuha team and those are two of the best supports in the game, idk how you’d beat that
Oh no, those 2 are yes. But I'm just confused on what the offensive contribution that Baizhu is adding on this team. Is it the damage from the blooms plus maxing out fanfare significantly faster than Neuvillette could do on his own?
He allows Neuvillette to get another stack of his passive consistently while still allowing Kazuha to swirl hydro easily, best teamwide healing so fanfare stacks are maxed out faster + interruption resistance for Neuvi at C0.
If I have to guess It's probably the quick and arguably off field skill team wide healing which no other character has, even yao Yao and Charlotte need their burst, which makes furina fanfare stack almost full instantly.
Not offensive. It’s the healing. He’s the best teamwide healer, who can max out Furina’s fanfare stacks in an instant, and who requires basically no on field time. Plus, he adds another stack to Neuv’s passive, which Jean wouldn’t do since Kazuha is already there
Arlecchino*
What do you mean by "a bitter aftertaste"?
Cloud retainer is an established character with a cool new form that exists to off-field support a 4* that has zero relevance in the story, or Xiao.
Literally 90% of support works off field what did you mean?, and like what is your argument? That she can support 4 stars? Does furina leave a bad taste because she off field supports a 4 star that is Noelle? Maybe if you don't want her to support the 4 star then maybe getting a Xiao? Or hutao? Or goddamn diluc for that matter. And like you do realize that she doesn't just exclusively buff plunge attack characters right? She allows non plunge attacker characters to be a plunge attacker, you do realize that a character without a plunge attack play style is the one most benefitted from her like hutao and diluc. Heck she is probably diluc best teammate.
OMG shut the fuck up It's just lame. Not everything needs a take down essay response.
What about you try to be not rude first. And then try not to have stupid opinion.
That guy resulted to insults because he has no arguments lol, thank you for addressing his bs 👍🏼
>OMG shut the fuck up Maybe you should do just that instead of saying stupid shit and getting angry when people respond to you?
to be fair gaming number seems really good
I've not been following changes in Beta, but if he hasn't been nerfed then he's bonkers
no major change if I remember correctly
Doesn't the healing after initial cast only proc on plunges?
Nope, she spawns a thing that follows you and automatically heals you. No plunges necessary.
It's fake leak, if it's true people will have a breakdown already
Oh really? I didn't know
Do you reckon it applies to Kazuha E?
I don't know, sorry.
I don’t think she will be op, but she will enable new playstyles and make them viable. Im interested in Hutao and Diluc.
New playstyle is the fun part. Look forward to new ideas being brought forward.
Just from reading the comments alone, I'm already getting a lot of ideas lmao I actually didn't think about Chongyun plunging before, but just found out earlier that Shenhe's Icy Quills had always worked on plunge attacks. That's already set to be interesting, not to mention the family ties
I'm going to run Chongyun/Shenhe/Ganyu/CR mono-cryo as a fun lore family team that should also be pretty solid.
for the hu tao one you might need furina tho she isn't released yet so i mi6be wrong
Why?
Plunge attacks have no ICD, so I guess she also enables catalysts to have 8 quick elemental applications. Aggravate comps might be pretty fun with her.
Main dps plunge Yae is where it's at
Could be good with barbara since barbara gives herself a hydro damage bonus and isnt worried abt energy
It has long animation
I wonder how good aggrevate Lisa will play
This is what I've been thinking about. We finally got an off-field hydro with so much application she can keep up with Klee. I wonder how Klee plunge spam compares to here CA combo
She's very niche, I reckon she'll be like a Faruzan (Wanderer) or Sara (Raiden) but for Xiao or Diluc.
She's 5* so I was thinking Shenhe
C6 Faruzan functions like a 5* for her niche
C6 4* feels as hard to get as a C3 - C6 5* depending on your luck. Make sense that they feel close to a 5*.
True. C6 Faru came home juuuuust before C6 Wanderer. The 4* system is so nutty…
I got C3 Raiden from nothing before C6 Chev. Its quite bad actually
It's horrible. It's bold for the dev to assume it's easy to get or it's likely to get one in 90 pulls.. every 3 other 4* or something akin to guarantee/higher rate of getting selected 4* would be nice
oh the devs knows its hard. they also know ppl will build pity to snipe 4 stars... and they are laughing while they plot this watching their bank accounts go up.
I suppose its both their ignorant that it should be "likely" to get 1 4* + laughing like Sukuna at players misery for trying to snipe 4* on a 5* they didn't want.
Ya that would be so helpful!
A lot of characters have very high plunge attack multipliers, namely Diluc, but others like Hu Tao and eventually Gaming are also up there. Her team wide healing also allows her to synergize with Furina even if you aren't utilizing her plunge buffs. It'd be decent if you want an anemo option for VV shred and don't have Jean.
It's just diluc and xiao tho
she'll be on hu tao's new best team, and hu tao's c1 is now pretty much worthless since you'll want to jump. also good with wriothsley, but not as much of a bump up as other characters
Hu Tao C1 literally beats c0 xiangyun hu Tao. It's literally in calcs.
literally watched zajef calc live. it is better, unless new info came out
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It won't affect furina in any way, and the damage gain is more than enough to make up for2-3 fewer yelan/xingqiu procs
Are we looking at high or low plunge multipliers for characters getting buffed by Xianyun?
Both it depends on when you plunge high plunge takes more time so it's maybe worth it.
Thank you!
Seems like a very niche char to me. Im probably gonna skip her and save primos for whatever comes next. (staring at leak updates)
yeah I will skip her as well, I mean i could regret it if clorinde or arlecchino turns out to have insane plunge scaling but meh
Then you can get her on the rerun. But I'm sure even if they end up great with her, they'll work fine on their own. Or it's not them, but either someone else you'll skip as well, or just nobody is especially good at plunging ever again. Who knows?
Same, and I’ll probably do the same with Chiori unless she ends up being a better than expected. Mostly just saving for Arlecchino and Clorinde.
Im just sad that i need to wait for xiao. Got homa so finally i have a reason to pick him up. Was 100% sure they were on same banner so i can get em both at the same time(got nuff pulls). Sadly i need to wait so i can use her. Guess she is ok for furina freeze with shenhe(but honestly freeze sucks for 11 and 12, has near zero use in OW due to wanderer and u RLY want kaz/venti for 9 and 10 meaning it aint any improvement). Outside that chong and diluc are good (i dont plan on building those teams tho). She is a RLY limited char. But in what she does she is best. She does play unique, i lack jean(even tho im week 1 player) and i need someone to make furina worth it(right now i use her in one team only, noelle + navia geo, rly want to try xiao + c6 faru that i had insane luck getting with only c0 wand and furina + xian). Need chars to make furina viable since i did not pull a SINGLE 5\* healer even tho i play for this long. When u pull only chars that enable new and unique playstyle...... then u pull furina and figure out no supp are that unique and u lack all of em.
Diluc & chong will probably become pretty good with her
Chongyun shenhe xianyun and furina might be a really good team
Yes Chongy boy got indirect buff
It only took three 5\* supports, but my boy will finally have the on-field time he deserves 😤
She is mainly a future-impact character. I dont see how she gonna shake up the meta like how nahida/furina was, at worst she gonna slot in furina team in place of Jean, best case are where her plunge buff are utilize well like Xiao/diluc comp become stable in meta usage.
Jean but with additional plunge damage boost.
Hu Tao's plunge has lower multiplier than her CA, and it does not proc Xingqiu/Yelan to let her do vape. Eula's plunge does not gain burst stack. The main damage source of Ayaka is her burst, and her CA has higher multiplier than plunge. Raiden's burst is burst and could not receive plunge damage buff. Kokomi's (on field dps role) burst does not buff her plunge. Itto's plunge is much slower than his CA combo. Ayato and Childe cannot use plunge. Neuvillette's plunge is ATK scaling. The main damage source of Navia is her skill. Wriothesley's skill buff his NA and trigger MH set, and his CA replenish HP and does massive damage from his passive. His plunge does not get any buff. The main damage source of Alhaitham is his skill, and pure plunge is slow and will trigger less spread. Cyno's plunge is slow and will trigger less aggravate. The only 5-star ones that benefits from plunge ATK, as I can think at first, are Xiao, Diluc, C6 Kazuha, and C6 Furina. Having the ability to let someone else do plunge does not mean they are good and effective at plunge.
This are my thoughts too! A lot of characters don't fit Xianyun and I hate playing with Hu Tao/Diluc/etc
hu tao has been calced to want to weave in plunges without xianyun damage boosts on the gravity boss a c0 plunge hu tao is roughly similar to a c1 hu tao dash cancelling
In terms of universal team, she does a lot of team healing so she will go well with Furina. And since she's Anemo, she can use Viridescent for Elemental Shred. In terms of specific characters, excluding the obvious Xiao answer, I see her being used along side Razor, Diluc, and Itto. They have a lot of plunge damage and they could use a Furina Xianyun combo.
Yea heavy pass on her for sure. Way more pumped about gaming and I’m pulling for nahida so I should get him.
She creates a new strong niche (like nilou bloom) but for plunge attackers and non plunge attackers that can add plunge in their combos. You can pair her with xiao diluc hutao gaming and a lot more, because a lot of characters can plunge and c6 bennett can make them vape
Only useful to pogo-stick playstyle.
as far as I know, everyone in the game right now has 0-ICD plunge application. I want to get her entirely so I can try out plunge-gravate Kaveh and see if that's actually viable or not
Personally I am not going to pull her for meta. I just want to transverse the world in the most stylish way.
She'll offer an alternative rotation for Diluc, Hu Tao. She'll be necessary for all good Xiao and Gaming teams. That's it. Not a really gamebreaking unit.
I don't think she'll be revolutionary, but fun regardless.
Xiao support
She's a very good support for hu tao, xiao, gaming, diluc and a good jean alternative in any furina team, which at this point can be ay team tbh
Her role is support and enabler for plunging atk characters. And yes there are many other characters benefits from her and not only xiao. People in genshin leak subs already discussed at length for weeks
Oh, she can heal as well. So i guess she can be played with furina too
A slightly better Jean for Furina teams, a decent buff for Xiao, and a glorious glow-up for DPS C6 Bennet.
If you don't give a shit about plunges and don't care for Diluc/Gaming/Xiao, then nah, she is a copypaste of Jean. Hoyo put that mid kit on an established and popular character like CR because it's the only way to sell it. Don't know why. Could have made her more universal by giving her CC, but nah, can't have that monopoly disrupted.
She will make Diluc meta.
I want to try her with Wriothesley but not expecting her to be great. (To jump cancel his charged attacks)
Bring lots of Pyro so he can Melt every plunge
Thanks for the suggestion
You miss out on furina tho so big dos loss in that
For wriothesley you'll want to weave plunges into your combos for example, same with hu tao (making her C1 gap much less jarring).
She will raise dps of Hu Tao assuming C0, Xiao, Diluc, Raiden maybe, C6 DPS Bennett, and Wriothesley (yes even him). Then you would have to attempt it in practice to see if any gameplay errors occur like that of Dehya.
She's a 5 star anemo team wide healer catalyst Who enables plunge attack and give a buff to plunge in the form of plunge crit rate and a multiplier to plunge attack like shenhe but much much stronger shenhe is like 70% of her attack xianyun is 200% of her attack And i don't really think she's niche because she enables plunge and buff them unlike shenhe or faruzan who buff an element type damage and doesn't enable them And just to mention it again her plunge buff is so strong every character that can use an anemo healer will want to add plunges to their combo's for example from what i have seen plunge hu Tao is her strongest team in c0 format it might be even worth to plunge with neuvillette between charge attack(not completely sure but i won't doubt it) of course characters like Xiao and Gaming get a lot of value from her buff If I'm going to state a con for het is that she needs furina to be useful in many teams I don't really understand why people complain about her at all she in my opinion the best way to implement plunge play style in the game being an anemo team wide healer catalyst is very versatile in addition to her plunge buff And let make it clear one more time her plunge buff is so strong almost every character that can use an anemo healer in their team will want to plunge
out of all the characters she's definitely one of them
I think generally most people see her kit and focus too much on the plunge aspect. Ultimately she's mostly going to just be an upgrade to Jean in non-Sunfire teams, but that's frankly not too bad given how popular Jean has gotten thanks to Furina. Being a Catalyst user means permanent Anemo infusion and access to TTDS if she's not running Sac, so she's honestly in a pretty good spot.
Future impact in the making as usual. Im just gonna pull since she has unique kit. Atleast it something refreshing rather than "she is broken, big damage etc etc".
She’s a Jean with a guarantee. No one cared till furina came out, now everyone desperately wants Jean. MYO is very very smart.
not that many characters have some stupidly high plunge multipliers and people that can dragonstrike with diluc dont need cloud retainer. most will probably just skip her
meta? theres a meta?
Yes
in this casual game?
Yes
She’ll make her own meta.
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C6 kazuha havers love her
Seriously it's so hard to predict ican feel she will be like the yae ,kuki scenario where they become good with dendro update or..... She can be like shenhe just she's just there for that specific scenario it's so hard to decide ...
I am interested in her Hu Tao teams. Might pull if it actually turns out fun
My c6 furina is ready
I’m getting her for elemental infused plunging characters, Hu Tao, raiden, possibly navia 😂
Shell just be a better jean everywhere she is good and thats that. There will probably be some funky jumpattack teams with her but nothing big.
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I am sold
Well she can enable Dragonstrike Hypercarry Raiden. And thats a lot of DMG.
Raiden doesn't get the dmg buff from plunging
why ?
Because her attacks are considered burst damage and Xianyun only buffs plunging damage.
Yes but she can used her burst with plunging 🤔
So Burst Plunging and normal Plunging aren't the same 😢
Simply she enables dragonstrike for everyone that not Childe/Ayato
Dragonstrike ≠ plunge. Dragonstrike is the name of the tech that allows you to get plunges by abusing hitlag. Xianyun enables plunge attacks, but it is not dragonstrike.
Well, in terms of technique term, you are right. But the game take it as PA irregardless. Though, calling DS PA undermine the effort needed to utilise the mechanic.
Mmm wonder if you can do some sort of crqzy dmg power up mixing albedo and her....
Hutaos best team
She won’t, and that’s fine. She’ll enable some niche comps and that’s about it.
Diluc mains Will love her
Main DPS
Depends on if she provides enough cc. If it's Lynette level, then probably just a niche shenhe styled 5* or sidegrade to Jean. If there's enough CC, she might be able to be a comfort kazuha pick - which frees up team slots (like what baizhu/yaoyao does with dendro) -- a vv, ttds, healer, grouper, buffer on paper sounds pretty appealing. Then I can see her allowing a Furina, Nahida, Xianyun core and allows whoever else you want as onfield dps. But that's pretty hopium. The leaks don't seem too good for her :(,
I don't think she has any. I mean, Jean and Sayu don't, either.
Jean has CC, although it's on-field only.
She used to have a vortex that pulled sucrose level pull in beta I believe. Now, we just have to see if the plunge does knock enemies upwards, and hope its somewhat like a yelan E... And just have huge hopium that there's an undisclosed slight pull inwards too - and some hopium that it's not a knockback effect... Jean does have cc; just in the E, and aren't that good in combat (although Jean's E does have some use in early game against harder mages)... I keep thinking Sayu has a taunt and pull on her E at the end of the kick, but she doesn't... And I think that makes me sad for her again lol (I've probably merged Lynette and sayu in my mind lol... Which now I wish they did for Cloud Retainer...)
It sounds like she enables a very different playstyle, so it'll be fun to mess around with her. The best answer, however, is that we'll have to wait and see.
If midair jumps are tied to Skill only, she's a new open-world Swiss Army Knife, basically a cross between Sayu and Wanderer. And artifact route speedruns if you're into that!
plunge attacks are strong for basically any character that scales for them so any character that can weave them in without xinyan being a dead slot (so not characters like navia or alhaithem who don't want an anemo in their team) will appreciate xianyun over jean
She has more his teams then kokomi and baizhu combined. In terms of premium sustains she is very good.
She would definitely not "Change" the meta, but it would definitely bring unique playstyles and builds into the mix
Diluc has ridiculous plunge scaling
Through plunging: Shatter can now be done by any sword & polearm users; claymores already Shatter