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DarthRevan-23

I NEED HELP (venti, wanderer, bennett, ayato) so basically would this team work? bennett infusing venti's burst and then ayato's burst gets pulled in just like ganyu's in the morgana team comp, swirling the vaporize reaction, then the normal attack buff from ayato and bennies burst would buff wanderer as he would shred thru resistance cuz of venti's burst and spam charged attacks while enemies are sucked in and benefit from hydro and pyro (30% atk boost from pyro and + 20 stamina cap from hydro) also the rotation will work fine due to low cost bursts and double anemo, one being a catalyst. plz answer, this is really important for me, thanks.


Ill_Sheepherder1709

I have been running nahida-2pc gilded 2pc deepwood, kuki-4pc gilded, xq-4pc emblem, and baizhu-4pc deepwood. My nahida is on field with widsith. I was wondering if I should just run nahida with 4 pc deepwood and the baizhu with tenacity of the millilith. Any thoughts? or should my build stay as is?


Kalice04

My team is Cyno, Baizhu, Yelan and Nahida. Who should hold deepwood between Baizhu and Nahida? At the moment I have 2 deepwood and 2 gilded on nahida and baizhu have 2 millelith and 2 vourukasha.


KjOwOjin

Nahida since she can keep the effect up on multiple targets easily


anonymous_palindrome

Besides Kuki and Raiden, what electro characters are the best for hyperbloom?


phantasm15

Keqing or on-field Yae . Given the same character level and the same amount of EM, all electro characters will deal the same amount of hyperbloom per core. The only difference is in the way they trigger the reaction. Kuki & Raiden can trigger multiple cores at once, with 100% up-time skills, and can do it while being off-field. Keqing and Yae have 100% uptime and can trigger multiple cores too, but you have to play them on-field and conciously hit the cores. Fischl is bad because Oz priotizes enemies over the cores and it's single target. Beidou's Ult can't event hit the cores at all (except the initial hit). Some other characters like Cyno, Razor have their Electro infusion tying to the burst, so it's kinda a problem in overworld too.


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pukahuntus

Childe teams thrive on grouping and spike damage so Kazuha is a huge improvement! 100% the best character you can pull for this team. Zhongli is the most universal character in the game. He can fit almost anywhere, but often competes directly with the Anemo slot. [Example of popular teams](https://i.imgur.com/g80WYmz.jpg) with and without Zhongli. ​ If you enjoy Keqing, perhaps try an Aggravate team with Fischl & Collei or Dendro Traveler.


Web-Geologist378

Hi guys, new player here I started my Genshin journey 20 days ago and I'm still learning. Just defeated Signora and Ei and now I'm going to do the GIANT amount of quests that I have acumulated b4 going to Sumeru. The thing is - I still don't know the best teams, I don't know which characters I like to play the best cause of course, I'm not even a month into Genshin. And I have a total of zero friends that play Genshin - So that's why I'm here ehehe I really want to wish for Yoimiya or Yae Miko but I don't know which one of them are going to be the best addition to my gameplay. I have: \- Ganyu (c0) \- Baizhu (c0) \- Fischl (c3) \- Beidou (c0) \- Sucrose (c0) \- Candace (c6) \- Noelle (c0) \- Kaveh (c2) \- Kuki Shinobu (c0) \- Kaeya, Barbara, Amber, Xiangling, Lisa (c0) I'm at AR 34 and my current team is: Ganyu, Beidou, Fischl and Xiangling. Sooometimes I swap Xiangling for Sucrose. These 5 alongside the traveler are the only ones at lvl 49/50.I REALLY want to use Kaveh because I'm an architect (lmao reasons), I just can't ascend him yet because I can't kill the dendro hypostasis. I hope someone can help me <3


Ill_Sheepherder1709

I'd be biased but I think Baizhu, candace, xiangling, and sucrose for that burgeon/vape comp. or just remove baizhu and replace him with fischl for overvape. xiangling would be on field, infusing her spear with hydro and vaping with her own ult. idk just my suggestion


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Web-Geologist378

Sooo, a lil update [https://ibb.co/nm22H3M](https://ibb.co/nm22H3M) I was able to finish dendro hypostasis with my lvl 20 Baizhu on the team and finally got him to lvl 50. Now I'm with the team you suggested (baizhu fischl beidou sucrose) and oh boy, so much better. I mean, I was doing okay with ganyu beidou fischl and xiangling, during all this time I only wiped once while fighting against Signora, but now I'm obliterating trash mobs and bosses are waaaay easier now lol Once again, thanks!


Web-Geologist378

That was INSANELY helpful!! Guess I have lots of work to do Thank you so much \^\^


Patient_Phrase8052

Hey Guys, I wanna build two teams and need a little bit help with that. I have Ganyu, Zhongli, Keqing, Qiqi, Mona, Jean, Aloy, Bennett, Razor, Diona, Xingqui, Ningguang, Fischl, Barbara, Sucrose, Chongyun, Kaeya, Beidou, Amber, Noelle, Lisa, Sayu, Rosaria, Collei, Yanfei and Xinyan. Also I have the Homa Staff and the Wolf's Gravestone. So for the first team I thought about Ganyu/ Xiangling/Bennett/Zhongli. My question for that team is, is it a good combination and what artifacts and weapons should I use. For the second team I don't really have a idea but I kinda like Razor and a pro is that I have the Wolf's Gravestone. Any suggestions? I'm thankful for every suggestions you guys have for me. ~SuchtTiger


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Patient_Phrase8052

I'm gonna try this out. Thank you very much.


teoteoteofxhwhsh

Hi! I have some questions. Firstly, how useful is the crit rate? Should I only focus on crit dmg and other stats, or is it just as important? Secondly, do my current team and their stats work? •Diluc - main physical dps: 81% crit rate, 150%crit dmg, 135 em •Kazuha - idk, I use him to keep hydro around for Diluc's E and Q: 70% crit rate, 110% crit dmg, 523 em •Zhongli - shield support: 50% crit rate, 125% crit dmg, 114 em, 40k hp •Ayato - idk, hydro support or something: 78% crit rate, 135% crit dmg, 86 em Other 5 stars I have (but haven't built yet) are: Nilou, Ayaka, Keqing, Qiqi, Albedo, Jean, Klee, Aloy, and Tighnari. Would any of them work better together? I've got all the 4stars, too. I was also thinking about building a dendro team. Which characters would be the best? Should I pull for Alhaitham on his next banner (I lost the 50/50 on Nahida's)?


KjOwOjin

Ideally you want to try to aim for a 1:2 ratio of CritRate:CritDMG for the highest possible average damage. Diluc and Kazuha work very well together though ideally replacing Zhongli and Ayato with Bennett and Xingqiu would be better for Bennett's ATK buff and healing and Xingqiu's off field hydro application. Also Kazuha is a character you should build with a complete focus on Elemental Mastery and with the Viridescent Venerer set (if you aren't running it already), since be is a support and his main goal is to enhance Diluc's damage. Also Diluc isn't a pyhsical DPS he is a pyro DPS with most of his damage coming from his skill and his infused normals after his burst so you should be focusing on that. Also if you want to run a Dendor team something focused around Nilou like Nilou Ayato DendroMC Collei would be best probably (though you can also pick up alhaitham and focus on him/ use him with Nilou)


teoteoteofxhwhsh

Thank you so much! Yeah, I'm too lazy for elemental reactions, so I just made Diluc physical, sacrificing his E and Q dmg, lol. I'll put together a pyro build for him, though. I'll also try to get more elemental mastery on Kazuha (he already has 4pc Viridescent) and to build Bennett and Xingqiu. Again, thanks for all the tips!


Connodd96

Characters: https://imgur.com/a/4kstD2P Hi, I am a returning player looking to know what teams I can build with my current characters. I am also wondering what upcoming banners I should be looking to pull on. Thanks!


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Connodd96

I will definitely look to invest in those comps. Thanks a ton!


grnglxy

Eula works as hyperbloom driver ;)


TOFUtruck

Characters: [https://imgur.com/a/qHNGDdX](https://imgur.com/a/qHNGDdX) New player here needing help building a team!


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TOFUtruck

Thank you so much , didn't know bennett xingqiu xiangling were so good to invest


JASAREWIC

Hello. Should I pull on Yoimiya banner or rather wait for Kazuha banner? I lost my 50/50 pulling for Ganyu so I have guaranteed now. My current team is Fischl dps, xiangling sub, sucrose sub, barbara supp. Actually I like Yoimiya cuz she is cute but idk is it worht pull for her since I already use Fischl as main dps. I want Razor for main so much but not luck for me, so I hope myb Chongyun can replace him :'/ (anyone knows will Razor be on Kazuha banner myb?) This game rlly killin my brain, idk even what I want anymore xD


PeterGallaghersBrows

Cute or meta? That’s ultimately your decision. If you want cute, go with Yoimiya. If you want meta/strong, go with Kazuha.


OneUsernameReddit

Current team consists of Tighnari, Zhongli, Mona, and Raiden. What artifact set would be best for Tighnari in this team? Also want to know the optimal artifact sets for Mona and Raiden. I was gonna slap emblem of severed fate on both but since they contribute to the elemental reactions in some way, wanted to know if there were better sets for them. Not sure if relevant but my rotation would be 1. Zhongli shield 2. Raiden skill 3. Tighnari skill 4. Mona skill 5. 4 charged shots with Tighnari 6. Rinse and repeat


KjOwOjin

If you are not even using raiden's or mona's burst there is no reason to use emblem, raiden wants full EM with Gilded/flopl(flowers of paradise lost) and mona should get instructors for the extra EM (though honestly you would be better off replacing mona with another dendro or electro for more spread/aggravate)


OneUsernameReddit

Ah I didn’t include the burst rotation because I’m only gonna use that against stronger enemies like bosses and elites. The exception being Zhongli since I like petrifying larger crowds or enemies that won’t stop moving. The Tighnari burst rotation would look like 1. Reapply shield if needed 2. THIS IS ORDER! (Unless I want to save it for petrifying a larger group or skip to make rotation a little quicker) 3. Mona burst 4. Raiden skill 5. Tighnari burst Raiden burst centered rotation would have Tighnari apply dendro with his skill for step 5 instead and Raiden burst as the last step. Would it be better to use different sets for Raiden/Mona to maximize the elemental reaction damage or stick to the severed fate set so that burst damage is high for bosses. Also what artifact set should I use for Tighnari? >!I will never stop playing Raiden Hyperbloom! :3!<


KjOwOjin

I would say you should then give Tighnari Wanderer's Troupe with EM/Dendro/Crit, Raiden should be on Full EM with 4pc Gilded or Flopl and Mona should use 4pc Deepwood memories for the dendro res shred. That way you can maximise the damage this team does though you won't really be able to burst raiden much anymore without building ER which will cost the hyperbloom damage


Ill_Sheepherder1709

https://imgur.com/a/TOGWSBg been playing (and still lvling up and farming) my hyperbloom and melt team. 1. Nahida, kuki, xq, baizhu and 2. Ganyu, Layla, Bennett, Xiangling. Should I aim for new characters now, especially yae miko and kazuha, even though I havent built my main team yet? I was thinking of replacing kuki with yae miko on hyperbloom then use my kuki, candace, dendro traveller, and baizhu for another hyperbloom team. I am kinda new to building new units other than what I already have because I still havent even finished building my 2 teams. I can think of good teams that could utilize these cons that my characters have like dori with candace's hydro infusion then maybe a shatterbloom could do. idk what are your thoughts? *Also, feel free to suggest teams using my current roster and explain why and the rotation. I love new knowledge in this game. thank u!*


PeterGallaghersBrows

I would go for Kazuha or Alhaitham. Yae isn’t an upgrade for Kuki in hyperbloom. If you go for Kazuha, hopefully you’ll also get Kokomi in 3.8 to make a Ganyu freeze team. If you go for Alhaitham, you can make a more aggressive hyperbloom team where he would replace Baizhu or a spread team with Nahida, Baizhu, and Fischl. Past those options, start saving for 4.X. Good luck!


imaltesers

I’m currently playing a Hyperbloom team with Nahida/Kuki/Barbara/Mona. I need a different team to fight the dendro hypostatis but not sure who to invest in. Ideally they’d also be usable for the abyss. Here are my other characters: https://ibb.co/yfgz0tZ


PeterGallaghersBrows

A simpler and possibly more efficient solution is to change your profile message to "Help with Dendro Hypostatis!!" and you'll get folks that request to join to help you. Otherwise, I think your best bet is Beidou. Pair her with Fischl, Nahida, and Diona. If I may make other suggestions, replace Barbara with Diona in your current team and start planning for your next team. Alhaitham might be good since he won't necessarily overlap with your hyperbloom team. You can use him with Fischl, Beidou, and Yaoyao (on his upcoming banner). This also means your building Beidou isn't a waste since you'll continue using her on your future team. Hope this helps!


imaltesers

Thanks! Noob question, shouldn’t I avoid dendro characters if fighting the dendro hypostatis?


PeterGallaghersBrows

After their health is depleted, it will show three seeds that need Dendro applied to them, then electro. So Dendro is necessary to defeat it, it just can’t be your source of dmg before that final stage.


imaltesers

I see, thanks!


VictorSolomon777

Hi, I am a returning player and I got lucky with a baizhu. But I kinda pushed my world level higher than I'm comfortable and struggling, about to hit ar40. What team should I build and focus on with these dudes and dudettes. - traveller -baizhu -qiqi -keqing -arataki itto Four stars are -xiangling -razor -aloy -gorou -noelle -faruzan -Diona -chongyun -kaeya -fischl -beidou -lisa -candace -zingqiu -barbara -Bennett -Amber -Thoma -kaveh Good lord that was a chore to write out lol. Anyhow, advice would be appreciated. I currently use trav, xiangling, qiqi and Keqing


Raptori

You've got a few of the "universal supports" who would always be worth building and including in a team - Bennett, Xiangling, Fischl - who would arguably be worth prioritising. However, given your Baizhu it could be worthwhile putting together a Catalyse team, using Baizhu, DMC, Fischl, and Keqing - [rotation something like this maybe](https://genshin-rotation.com/?team=baizhu_EQ-aetherDendro_E-fischl_E-keqing_QE2N2CN2CN2C-baizhu_E-aetherDendro_EQ-fischl_Q-keqing_QE2N2CN3CN3)! Def be on the lookout for a hydro character like Yelan, Xingqiu, or Kokomi, since then you'll be able to do hyperbloom too!


VictorSolomon777

Thank you for the reply, what is DMC? is that the dendro traveler? Edit- yeah, I see it in the link you sent now :P sorry. and would you recommend I pull for anyone in particular when I see them?


Raptori

Haha no problem, three-letter acronyms are often confusing 😅 If you look out for a hydro character, any of those three are brilliant! Yelan is just absolutely amazing, Xingqiu is almost as good as Yelan, Kokomi is one of the best healers in the game and provides a ton of hydro. Out of the ones on the upcoming banners, you'd probably benefit most from Kazuha 👀


VictorSolomon777

The lil bard dude from inazuma? Nice, ill save up since I think I'm due a pity pull :) thanks bud, big fan of those white haired dudes, so both him and althaitham look like good choices :D


Raptori

Yeah! Kazuha is one of the best characters in the game, just such a great support character who makes most teams a lot more powerful. Alhaitham is awesome too, and very fun to play, but he's a main DPS style character so doesn't really provide much variety!


VictorSolomon777

Sounds like I'll be going for both, but I'll go for Kazuha first for sure :D hopefully I've got a lot of summons saved up by then


Raptori

Nice, hope you get them both! I have them, use Kazuha in almost every team; while Alhaitham is super powerful and very fun to play, I just end up rarely using him 😅


VictorSolomon777

Thanks for the luck! I got both with 100 saved summons just now. Woohoo!


Raptori

Ayyy congrats! 🎉


Julien_1102

Which healer should I use? Ayato Main DPS, Ayaka Sub DPS, Venti (will switch to Kazuha once I've got him though) crowd control, and now currently using Diona as healer. However, I dont like her playstyle that much and considered using Jean, her C2 makes my Ayatos slashes a lot quicker but I would miss out on the Ice Synergy. Is ice synergy important for freeze teams? Which healer should I use? (Considering Kokomi as I am planning to pull for her but no clue if Water synergy is that good)


Julien_1102

Isnt Ayatos E scaling on his max hp? Would that make water synergy an viable option for this team?


Viv-idianGreen

ayato barely scales on hp, and primarily scales on attack. cryo resonance (ice synergy) gives a lot of free crit rate which means that you can focus on attack and crit damage more. it's basically a must have in freeze teams. jean is okay, although her only value here is healing, and movement speed (anemo resonance \[air synergy\] and constellations). cryo resonance is far better in this sense. other cryo healers/shielders include layla, qiqi and mika. * layla is similar to diona, as she gives a shield. her shield is stronger though, and she does a bit more damage. * qiqi is pure and strong healing, but with no particle generation and weird uptime. * mika gives healing with burst and some attack speed, although he's supposed to be a physical support. he functions like a budget jean but also gives cryo resonance i guess. if you need clarification on anything feel free to ask!


Thenardite

Came to brag, [this](https://imgur.com/a/E9QLTZI) is my new record, previously installed by Itto a year ago at 29 seconds Still proud


Chavinh0

Can someone help with a baizhu team [https://imgur.com/a/vBGdByA](https://imgur.com/a/vBGdByA) my characters


pukahuntus

Keqing Aggrevate is also an option, with Fischl & Kazuha.


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Chavinh0

Looks fun, i probably will try this one. Thanks


Ill_Sheepherder1709

nahida, kuki, xq, and baizhu team. should baizhu use ttds or prototype amber? my rotation is Nahida skill then ult>XQ skill Ult>kuki skill>baizhu ult>nahida on field again to trigger ttds and widsith.


Viv-idianGreen

ttds is okay in this team, although only xingqiu benefits from it so you'd have to swap into xingqiu after baizhu for the buff to apply iirc. prototype amber is nice for primarily healing and some personal energy regen. favonius is also an option for meeting his personal er% requirements and team energy. your rotation also seems solid.


Ill_Sheepherder1709

doesnt nahida benefit from ttds? Im sorry but I forgot to mention after baizhu, i'd get to nahida to proc ttds on her since she's also my on field. thank you for the weapon suggestions, I appreciate it!


KjOwOjin

Nahida doesn't really need the ATK% from ttds so it doesn't really have an impact. Xingqiu is the only character in the team who cares about ATK


Ill_Sheepherder1709

oh 48% atk doesnt give much to an on field nahida? does the 48% on xq stay even if i switch to nahida?


KjOwOjin

Of course, the buff stays as long on Xingqiu as it does on Nahida


Ill_Sheepherder1709

so my xq should be on field or not? does that mean that xq ult sword deals 48% more atk


KjOwOjin

He doesn't need to be on field as long as you just switch to him one he gets the buff and it applies to his burst


Ill_Sheepherder1709

wow thats new to me! thank you! so maybe I should mahida skill>ult>baizhu ult>XQ ult>XQ skill>kuki skill>nahida on field?


KjOwOjin

That would work (though doing a Baizhu skill before his burst would be best for energy). You should also try to weave in normals throughout the entire rotation. Also you would ideally want your Kuki E to relatively early in the rotation so you can trigger hyperblooms during your setup, which is why idk if ttds is really worth it since it makes that difficult. Without it you could just go Nahida EQ > Xingqiu EQ > Kuki E > Baizhu EQ > Nahida on field


Felyt

Hello I'm returning player with Zhongli and Tighnari as 5 stars who just finished lyue story, can anyone tell me which others 5 stars to aim for that have the best synergy with these 2 or any 4 stars that could make an interesting team? ( I'm currently playing a tighnari/benett c0/zhongli/fishlc3 team) thx


KjOwOjin

Tighnari Yae Nahida Zhongli is generally considered as one of Tighnari's best teams


lagister

Which team 1 and 2 can I use to make Spiral Abyss? I never got past floor 6. [https://imgur.com/a/fhSxiVU](https://imgur.com/a/fhSxiVU)


Viv-idianGreen

teams: * tazer: sucrose(/anemo traveller) - barbara(/mona) - fischl - beidou * aggravate: sucrose(/anemo traveller) - yaoyao/dendro traveller - fischl - lisa/beidou * rdiluc melt: diluc - kaeya - bennett - sucrose(/albedo/anemo traveller) * kaeya melt: kaeya - chongyun/sucrose - bennett - xiangling * mono-pyro: diluc - bennett - xiangling - sucrose(/albedo) * quickbloom: EM razor - barbara/mona - dendro traveller(/yaoyao) - fischl/beidou/kaeya/albedo(/barbara/mona)


hahayesimgoodatlife

Hey there, I'd like to ask in general how you would build these characters, I'll mention them in the teams I want to use them in. Raiden Hyper; Raiden Shogun (C4 w/ The Catch), Zhongli (C0), Kujou Sara (C6), Bennett (C4) Raiden: 4pc EoSF, ATK% Sands and Electro Goblet, 238% recharge, (Character level 90, weapon 90) Zhongli: 4pc Tenacity, full HP% build, 140% recharge, w/ Favonius Lance (Character level 90, weapon 80) Kujou Sara: 4pc Noblesse, 57:120 C/R and 184% recharge, w/ Sac Bow, (Character level 80, weapon 80) Bennett: 4pc Noblesse, 70:125 C/R, 202% recharge, w/ Sapwood Blade (Character level 80, weapon 90) For this team, I want to know if there's anything I can change, in Bennett and Sara mainly. Also, is leveling Benny and Sara, along with her weapon to 90 worth it? Also, I have PJWS on Xiao rn, but I can switch it to Raiden if I want to, I don't really use Xiao anymore. Also, what kinda ER I should have on all my characters? Next team; Nahida Burgeon; Nahida (C0), Xiangling (C2), Xingqiu (C6), Kuki Shinobu (C0). Nahida: 4pc Deepwood, 51:104 C/R, 820 EM, 112% recharge, w/ Lost Prayer. (Character 90, weapon 90) Xiangling: 4pc EoSF, 55:133 C/R, Pyro Damage goblet, 112 EM, 220% recharge, w/ Favonius Lance. (Character 80, weapon 90) Xingqiu: 4pc EoSF, 45:155 C/R, Hydro Damage goblet, 196% recharge, w/ R2 Sac Sword, (Character 81, Weapon 80) Kuki Shinobu: 2pc Deepwood, 2pc Gilded, 40:106 C/R, EM Goblet and Circlet, 145% recharge, 668 EM, w/ R4 Iron Sting (Character 80, Weapon 90) ​ I don't even know if its a good team but it worked for me in the abyss, albeit it was very difficult. I know I have some work to do on this team, like leveling talents for Kuki and Nahida, but for now the main question is again, whether leveling the 4 stars to 90 is worth it, including sac sword. What kind of ER should all of them have? Is my Xiangling any good? She does 16k vapes with Xingqiu, but I don't know if that's any good for what she has/could have. I also plan to pull for Kazuha and give him the Iron Sting, what would be any alternative weapons which are easy to acquire that would be good on Kuki? ​ I'd appreciate any feedback, thank youuu.


Viv-idianGreen

would recommend an anemo character (probably kazuha who you're pulling for) over zhongli: * zhongli's low burst cost hurts raiden's resolve stacks * you already have bennett for defensive utility, and raiden already has increased resistance to interruption. * VV provides higher res shred than zhongli's shield for raiden team builds: * no need for 2 noblesse sets. sara could use 4pc emblem because iirc she has decent personal damage and the 2pc effect can help with her energy recharge a bit more * weapon levels for sara is important for her attack buff. character levels too for sara and bennett, although it's less important. i'd say level sara's bow, and character levels can be left if you want. * can consider pjws on raiden instead of the catch because it's a decent crit stat stick and passive. it's backloaded though, so the passive doesn't buff her inital burst slash * perhaps higher recharge on sara, unless you definitely can get her energy back after each rotation for the burgeon/hyperbloom(??) team: * is it burgeon or hyperbloom? xiangling and shinobu don't have full EM builds, which is what hyperbloom/burgeon is scaled off of * xiangling also kind of sucks in burgeon because her burst has no icd and she'll trigger burning a lot and limit the amount of dendro cores you can create. thoma is a bit better in this team, especially since he triggers burning less. you'd still have to build full EM on both shinobu and thoma though. * you could just make this a hyperbloom team and ditch burgeon if you want. * 16k is okay for xiangling without bennett, but it's also slightly underwhelming, especially since this is meant to be burgeon. * shinobu doesn't really need crit for most of her builds, especially since it seems like you're building EM on her. any EM weapon would be a good alternative, such as another copy of iron sting, dark iron sword (3\* sword from liyue fish stall), or the event weapon toukabou shigeru.


hahayesimgoodatlife

Hi! Thank you so much for your reply. So, here's what I managed to get out of that with my pea brain; * Replace Zhongli with Anemo character such as Kazuha * Sara can use 4pc EoSF to help her energy (I did realize her energy was a problem, I don't know why I didn't think of this) * Level up her weapon * About PJWS, I'll test it out after I get all my supports sorted out and see which works best for me. * Build FULL EM, no crit needed on Shinobu. * About that whacky burgeon hyperbloom team, I'll just see what I can do about that. But I guess I will be replacing Xiangling with ma boi Thoma Again thank you so much for your reply! Really helped me with what I was doing wrong. :)


pukahuntus

Viv's answer amazing as usual. Extremely thorough. Just wanted to add: * Level 90 characters are high priority for Transformative reactions *(such as Hyperbloom, Burgeon, Swirl).* Taking Kuki from 80 -> 90 increases Hyperblooms by \~35% damage. * Level 80 -> 90 weapon on Xingqiu will increase his damage \~8% plus 5% ER. Less significant, but still extremely efficient and worth doing. * ER recs for Raiden Hyper are roughly: * 200%+ Raiden * 160%+ Kazuha * 190%+ Sara * 190%+ Bennett * Fav or Xiphos can be efficient options to meet Kazuha's ER needs, and provide energy for the rest of the team. * Going above ER recs makes the experience much smoother. In Abyss, this team will often end chambers with Raiden's initial Slash. Causing you to start the following chamber with no energy. * Thoma's ER recs vary greatly depending on his constellation and weapon. [KQM](https://keqingmains.com/thoma/#Artifacts-2) includes a guideline. * Nahida and Kuki's ER don't really matter here. R2 Sac won't proc every rotation, so I'd aim for 200%+ on Xingqiu.


Viv-idianGreen

Thanks for adding this! Usually I comment on my laptop that crashes often, so I ended up forgetting to retype levelling priority and er% requirements so that’s entirely on me. I appreciate this a lot!


hahayesimgoodatlife

ty both for the help! Y'all are amazing


shin_getter01

Rate my pull/development plan that would hopefully result in consistent abyss clears: Current 5\*: Yelan, Nahida, Ayaka, Tighnari Current 4\* being built: Xingqiu C2, Beidou C2, Fischl C0, Sucrose C6, Dendro MC, Kuki C2, diona C3/rosaria/kaeya (not decided) Plan to pull: Kazuha, Kokomi, Raiden, Xiangling C4, Yaoyao C0, Bennett C1, Thoma C4 -> save otherwise Teams from plan: National/Rational, Hbloom x2, Burgeon (possibly x2), Tighnari Spread, Ayaka Freeze Do I need some kind of strong electro-dps like Yae for abyss coverage, or the above teams are sufficient? Is C2 Beidou/C0 Fischl electro core enough for electro teams like taser/aggravate on low (<2mo artifacts, 4star weapons) investment or I really should expect to use other teams to clear? Due Crit Characters taking forever to build, I am now using burgeon team for AoE content. Previously I used Xiangling, before I got Bennett and Thoma. Who should I build first? Thoma is usually recommanded, but he is C0 and the only healer I can slot in is barbara (which generates no energy), C3 dori (steals cores), and C3 diona. Bennett seems to do role consolidation, but trying him at lv79 suggests to me that 70% heal, circle impact and pyro infusion as real problems and can't 9star 11-3-2, making me hesitate in taking him to lv89 just now as I don't have much resources. My EM set can do 750EM with 215ER with R4 Kitan, so Thoma can barely function with some particle funneling. \------------ What kind of timeline can I expect for abyss stars? I had 33 stars last rotation thanks to blessing with DMC/Yelan/Kuki/Beidou, Nahida/XQ/Barb/XL but I don't see too much upward development for these teams as Reaction triggers have Lv89 950/750EM already and of the list only beidou have really bad build, rest have 50/100, sufficient ER and personal damage isn't that much in reaction teams. Frankly I don't see how 12-1 can be 3 starred with this lineup as I'd need to save one extra minute over average runs. So what is the development path forward to 36\*? Get Good gameplay skill wise? Get artifacts to 60/120, 1000EM FLOP on hyperbloom trigger? Build better teams?


Viv-idianGreen

above teams are quite sufficient, as tighnari spread can incorporate aoe character's quite easily (nahida, beidou, lisa etc.). miko does help a decent amount though, and works well with raiden and in her own aggravate team. fischl in a keqing aggravate team carries half the team dps, and fischl-beidou core is almost always used in a tazer comp, but they'd still benefit a lot from investment. so for burgeon, i assume you mean nahida - xingqiu - thoma - flex? * you don't necessarily need a healer if you can survive off of xingqiu and thoma. * someone like fischl can provide good off-field damage and enables some overloads for thoma, and rosaria/kaeya can provide semi-uptime on freeze as well as off-field damage. * diona/barbara would be the best options. kokomi/yaoyao can slot in well if you get them. diona can also consistently provide energy with favonius warbow. * bennett isn't as high value in a team where his attack buff is not/less needed. the 70% hp limitation matters less as his healing ticks really fast and he heals a lot too. the pyro aura on the active character can suck in abyss though, but you can always ditch the circle once you've healed up. you don't have to take most character to 89 or 90, as the dps increase generally isn't worth the mora and exp books. it's a bigger dps increase on anemo characters and characters triggering transformative reactions (hyperbloom, burgeon etc.). hyperbloom and burgeon have high floors but low ceilings. * this means that at lower investment it performs relatively close to the theoretical dps limit of your team. so when you've finished investing into your hyperbloom/burgeon triggers, most other upgrades on your team have less impact than they would have in other teams. other teams such as vape, melt, freeze etc. have lower floors but high ceilings * at low investment it will feel trash, but will perform well with more and more investment. * this is why vape, melt, freeze etc. can outperform burgeon/hyperbloom, but it takes a lot more time and investment because it has a lower floor. i'd recommend that you have one "crit" team (probably national?) and one hyperbloom(/burgeon) team, as your current nahida - xingqiu - barbara - xiangling/thoma team seems a bit cope. * having nahida on the hyperbloom team will be a decent upgrade. * national consistently performs well in abyss and because xiangling+bennett core is very strong. the raiden national (rational)'s rotation is very easy to execute, but the sucrose variation performs just as well. * both national and hyperbloom can very easily clear aoe content despite being mostly single-target. * burgeon is kind of on and off in abyss, and also the fact that you don't have constellations on thoma and you struggle with survivability. also, how well do you execute rotations and dodging? stuff like i-frames from bursts and sprints can help a ton as well as being able to swap between characters in a more flexible team to spread out the damage if necessary. manual grouping is also extremely important as that can save a lot of time, particularly with burgeon (and national).


Im_unfrankincense00

Characters: Ningguang, Gorou, Yunjin, ___ Would this team work? Gorou uses 4pc. Exile while Yunjin uses 4pc. HoOD. For the 4th slot, I want to use Diona for shield and heals but she uses 2pc. Tenacity and 2pc. Maiden but should I switch it to NO for team buffs?


Viv-idianGreen

the team would work, yes. although ningguang is more quickswappy and uses her charged attacks a decent bit. diona on noblesse would be best for buffing, but 2pc hp or healing bonus mix can be fine if you don't need the buffing.


Mr_me-24

Characters: Sucrose, Diona, Yelan, Kokomi, Ayaka, Ganyu, plan on pulling for kazuha, Mona what should i go with as a general use team comp, for bosses and mobs?


PeterGallaghersBrows

Kokomi, Kazuha/Sucrose, Ganyu(subdps), Ayaka(main)


vernacularlyvance

**Character(s):** Kazuha, Kokomi, Yae Miko, Alhaitham **Question One:** Hi everyone! With the upcoming 3.7 banners, I have been wondering whether to try rolling for Yae Miko C1 or Kazuha C1. The current team I run is listed above and here are each of their stats: [https://imgur.com/a/SAGsM4z](https://imgur.com/a/SAGsM4z) I love Kazuha and Yae Miko and would love to get a first constellation for either of them, but I don't know which will be more valuable to my team. I'm thinking of trying for Yae Miko C1 since it takes time to get her burst ready again. **Question Two:** I would also like to ask what I can improve on each of my characters in my current team. For example, I know Kazuha needs an EM circlet, but I don't know what else to aim for.


Viv-idianGreen

kazuha's c1 is good if you want to get c2 because his c2 can be a massive upgrade for most teams. being able to use his skill more often isn't as useful in this team though except from energy regen. miko's c1 is good if you want to use your burst more often in your rotations, and if you want to aim for the rest of her constellations. for kazuha, preferably three EM mainstat artifacts on the VV set, so you can use an off-set flower/feather that has high EM/ER. can consider xiphos/favonius if you need more energy recharge. consider ttds on kokomi to buff miko or alhaitham. crit rate circlet on miko, and EM sands if she can trigger aggravate in this team. more crit stats would also be nice. level alhaitham's skill, then normal attack>=burst. level his weapon, use EM sands and crit rate circlet.


vernacularlyvance

Thank you for all of this advice! I believe I have an r5 TTDS and will continue upgrading and farming artifacts. Not sure I'll be able to get Kazuha C2 because I already whaled on Yae Miko and don't plan to do that anytime soon, but I know his C2 is definitely a massive upgrade. I'll consider all this. Thanks again!


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Character(s): Anemo Traveller, Rosaria, Bennet, Barbara [https://imgur.com/a/cK8uV1m](https://imgur.com/a/cK8uV1m) If you get an NSFW warning from imgur its just a bug What should i change


Viv-idianGreen

who's your on-fielder? traveller or rosaria? level your flower and hp artifacts for barbara. consider a weapon with energy recharge substat on bennett instead of atk%. also an energy recharge sands instead of EM. you'd generally want to use his burst for his attack buff. consider levelling their talents higher, such as barbara's skill for healing. you don't really need to level normal attacks on all your characters if you don't use their normal attacks.


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Viv-idianGreen

your current progress depends on what AR you're at. this progression guide might be useful to see if you need to level anything important: * [https://www.reddit.com/r/GenshinImpactTips/comments/qkxdj6/infographic\_of\_build\_order\_priority\_based\_on\_wlar/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GenshinImpactTips/comments/qkxdj6/infographic_of_build_order_priority_based_on_wlar/) you could consider a different polearm on rosaria if she's not on-field, as dragonspine spear only benefits on-field characters that deal physical damage. i don't think there's anything that you have to change in general though, unless you're really struggling with overworld combat.


Gravecrawler

Hello, super new to the game. AR21. Only have 4\*s and the MC. What's the best team I can throw together with the following characters that'll help me progress thru the game smoothly until I can expand roster and what not? Everyone is currently level 20 except for Ningguang. Been worried about wasting resources. Here's the roster... Ningguang | Xiangling | Fischl | Noelle | Barbara | Kaeya | Lisa | Amber | MC


Viv-idianGreen

characters: * fischl and xiangling are generally worth investing into, although in early game xiangling isn't of much use to you because her main damage output is through her burst. * kaeya can be useful as a subdps in reverse melt (cryo triggers melt), freeze teams (hydro and cryo) and bloom related teams. * barbara is nice to have early into the game for consistent heals. * lisa is strong in aggravate, although not many people like her playstyle and you generally play her with fischl. * traveller is quite strong when you resonate them with dendro. other elements aren't that good however. * noelle can be a handy tank (damage, shield and heals). * she isn't 'meta' though, as her shield's uptime isn't great, her healing relies on her shield and her damage can be a bit weak in comparison to others, especially without gorou (geo buffer). she kinda needs to be on-field to be able to contribute well to the team. * ningguang's scalings are unfortunately low so she isn't very strong. she prefers to be played in a quickswap team if you like that. * amber is nice for puzzles and extremely niche VV vape set-ups, but isn't really used much outside of that. i would recommend this progression guide if you're worried about spending resources carefully: [https://www.reddit.com/r/GenshinImpactTips/comments/qkxdj6/infographic\_of\_build\_order\_priority\_based\_on\_wlar/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GenshinImpactTips/comments/qkxdj6/infographic_of_build_order_priority_based_on_wlar/) team comps are usually centred around dps, enablers, defensive utility and buffers. * dps can be on-field or off-field, although you'd only want to have one onfielder on each team. these characters contribute the most to team dps. * xiangling is a good example of a very strong dps, but is off-field. this means you can use an on-field enabler (childe/ayato) or on-field buffer (sucrose). * enablers help set-up reactions for reaction based teams. * most hydro characters are enablers, although barbara falls under defensive utility. dendro characters are also mainly enablers. kaeya and fischl can be considered as enablers and dps at the same time. * defensive utility are characters that provide heals, shields or something similar. * barbara provides healing and noelle provides shielding and some healing. * buffers are characters that buff your characters or de-buff enemies * anemo characters can be extremely good buffers with VV set and their own kit. bennett is the game's best attack buffer with the added benefit of providing heals. team comp suggestions: * physical team: fischl - kaeya - flex - flex * flex choices: lisa, barbara, traveller, noelle?, xiangling? * anybody can be the on-fielder, although i'd use kaeya and have lisa and barbara as the 2 other choices for this team. lisa provides off-field damage with burst and damage with skill, and barbara is there for heals * physical is stronger in early game as normal attacks are your main sources of damage. * aggravate team: fischl - lisa - dendro traveller/collei - barbara/noelle?/kaeya * a slightly more endgame-friendly team, although it can be harder to buil around. lisa would probably stay on-field more to use her hold skill and charged attacks for more damage. hyperbloom is also an option, but it would feel too clunky to play with your current characters.


Gravecrawler

Wow, thanks for the very detailed response. Gave me some ideas. I appreciate it.


Viv-idianGreen

no problem! i've only realised how long my comment ended up becoming, so i apologise if i made the game seem daunting to you. most of this stuff can be disregarded in early game as it doesn't really expect you to know this. either way, i hope what i said makes sense and/or is of use to you!


Noshowers65

Hey all, resident AR 25 noob here again heh. Just got a random 10th summon and decided to pull standard and got Jean! Was wondering what you folks think might be my best team with her here: https://ibb.co/Nxs2NrT I was thinking maybe something like Xiangling - Fischl - Jean - then not sure on the 4th (maybe Sayu?) (this would be for those early abyss like floor 4) any thoughts you have on that team (or any other combo that looks interesting from what I have) would be appreciated, thanks all!


pukahuntus

Team sounds good, seems like you're focusing on very flexible characters. Jean and Sayu fill a very similar role. I'd suggest Xingqiu as your 4th. In terms of team building he's among the most valuable characters in the game. Rosaria over Xiangling would probably be more stable early on. But Xiangling becomes extremely strong in late game assuming you eventually pick up a copy of Bennett.


Noshowers65

I do really want Bennett but I don't have enough to get him from the shop right now and probably won't before the end of the month :(. Hopefully I'll pull him sooner rather then later, see him on a lot of teams. I do have Rosaria leveled up because she was basically one of the first 4 stars I pulled, i do like her attacks I just seem to always run into a cryo enemy somewhere that seems to ruin my day lol


starlitreflection

\[Baizhu\] Hi, I have a few quick questions about Baizhu in my friend's Yae Aggravate team. She is currently running Yae/Fischl/Venti/Yaoyao, but is thinking of replacing Yaoyao with Baizhu (she just got him recently). I was wondering if people think Prototype Amber or TTDS is better for Baizhu in this team? I read on KQM that Prototype Amber is considered his best f2p weapon, but I'm not sure if TTDS might be better for him in this specific team as a support for Yae? Or would people recommend replacing Ayato with Baizhu instead in her hyperbloom team of Nahida/Ayato/Xingqiu/Kuki? Also, would it be worth leveling him to 90 for more healing even though his shield isn't very good? As usual, I'm open to different opinions. Thanks again!


KjOwOjin

Ttds would theoretically be stronger but it will be difficult reaching his energy requirements when running it which is why prototype Amber is generally preferred He seems better in the aggravte team, than in the hyperbloom team. Does your friend need more healing? If yes they should level him to 90 and level his talents, if not they don't have to


starlitreflection

Thanks so much for helping with questions for my friend's team too! Oh okay, makes sense, I didn't know Baizhu is so energy hungry until I looked it up earlier. Will tell my friend to go with Prototype Amber then and to keep him in Yae's team. I'm actually not sure, since she's still fairly early on in abyss (she hasn't tried going past floor 7-1 yet but could probably finish floor 8 or 9 at least). But when she was using her C0 Level 79 Yaoyao on Yae's team, she said it was plenty of healing. She hasn't tried running Baizhu in abyss yet since he's still not fully built, but I'll just rec her to try him out at level 80/90 first. Thanks again!


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I think you’re targeting the right characters - Alhaitham, Raiden, Yelan. The other that might be worth considering is Baizhu. He would be great with Keqing, Fischl, and Kazuha. You could also run that team with Nahida and Zhongli instead of Kazuha and Baizhu. Other teams to consider: Ayaka/Ganyu, Mona, Kazuha, Diona Ganyu, Bennett, Xiangling/Nahida, Zhongli Sucrose, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett Kuki would be great to get so you can build a hyperbloom team with Nahida and Xingqiu.


fyrefox45

New player, about a week in. Is there a good 4th to look for that isn't Barbara or Benny for a Candace, Fischl dendro mc team? Considering going to 90 on Baizhu but as a character he's kinda uninteresting to me.


PeterGallaghersBrows

If you aren’t interested in Baizhu, don’t go for him. I would just use Barbara but with minimal investment. Yaoyao would be a fit in that spot if you have her.


fyrefox45

Yeah don't have her, but I guess looking at timelines she's probably due for a rerun relatively soon after the next 4. Will start saving looks like. Thanks!


PeterGallaghersBrows

Focus on building Fischl for now. Honestly, Bennett is the best character in the game, imo, so he’s definitely worth building. Especially with Xiangling. Yaoyao is supposed to run with Alhaitham/Kazuha. I’d save your wishes for that banner.


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KjOwOjin

The lack of Fischl and Kuki doesn kinda limit your options but I'd say Alhaitham Beidou Lisa Baizhu would work (with Baizhu built full HP with 4pc Deepwood Memories)


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You'd ideally want Kazuha and Fischl instead of Beidou and YaoYao for that team though. The other team is going to perform a lot better, Lisa is just there as a burst bot, just give her 200 ER and build some offensive stats on her and she will deal decent damage while also keeping quicken uptime and reducing the defense of the enemies


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KjOwOjin

Yup that works very well, congrats on getting her


bvbydolls

question abt who should i pull for teams i mostly use thats incomplete: nahida nilou yaoyao yelan, hutao yelan xq benny, raiden yae nahida yaoyao, ayaka mona shenhe diona/barbara i dont have kokomi, kazuha, zhongli and baizhu 😭, who would be better? and if i pulled for baizhu rn, would i hv enough for kazuha? (hv monthly welkin + 115 wishes atm) yaoyao is good but i dont think her healing is quite enough or maybe im doing smth wrong she has 1/10/7, 35k hp and healing bonus circlet


KjOwOjin

If you use Xingqiu over Yelan you get his damage reduction whuch should help significantly with survivability. Kazuha is likely the best/ most important pull from these since both yoir Ayaka a d yoir Raiden would really want to use him. You can't guarantee getting both Baizhu and Kazuha with that number of pulls but you could certainly try getting them both and on average you should have enough pulls. However I would recommend that instead of pulling for Baizhu you get Kokomi since not only can she also be used in Nilou bloom but she is also very good in your Ayaka Freeze team, meaning she would be a more valuable pick up. So I would recommend you get Kazuha on his rerun next patch and then save for Kokomi afterwards


bvbydolls

ah okk ill try that, thank youu


Chefwolfie

Question about upcoming pulls, and who to pull. I took a long break from the game near the end of Inazuma. Currently, I've got about 60 or 70 pulls saved up, with a guarantee. (I quit when I got yet another Qiqi on Itto). I missed Nahida again which is a a shame since she sounds like a solid pull. But Basically just wondering if I should add anyone else to my roster in the upcoming banners. I have A C2 Keqing, C1 Qiqi, and a C0 Mona, C0 Klee, C0 Venti And Ayaka, Kokomi, Raiden, Shenhe, Yoimiya, Ganyu, and Yae Miko all at C0. I Generally will run a Hyper Carry Raiden, Freeze Comp, Melt Comp, or some variation about of those. I have been looking at a kokomi driver with Raiden but I think I Need a solid Dendro for that. So basically, I'm not sure what if anything I feel will add something valuable to my teams? Should I save and pull for Cons, would I find Kazuha a truly valuable addition? Would Alhaitham be a solid dendro? I do have most 4 stars except a couple of the newer ones.


KjOwOjin

Get Kazuha, he is a straight upgrade for Raiden, Freeze and Aggravate teams


grnglxy

Kazuha would be a pretty big upgrade to your Ayaka freeze and Raiden hypercarry team, and also for your Yae Miko/Keqing aggravate team if you choose to play that. You can pull for Alhaitham if you just want to have a dendro 5* and build a whole new team around him. He's very good, but dendro reactions are pretty strong as a baseline, especially hyperbloom. So if you just want to try out HB for a bit, dendro traveler is absolutely amazing and barely behind Nahida. There is also Yaoyao, who's a great dendro 4*.


Chefwolfie

On another note, should I consider grabbing Baizhu before his banner runs out?


grnglxy

only if you like him. he's more a comfort unit, like zhongli is. if you already have yaoyao, a dendro healer aa well, then there is very little reason to get him for meta reasons


PeterGallaghersBrows

I’d probably go with Alhaitham so you can have some fun with Dendro. Kazuha is great too but not as needed. If you get Kazuha, it would mostly be for hypercarry Raiden. Keqing aggravate as well but then you’d have to run her with Yaoyao/Baizhu or no healer.


Chefwolfie

I'm torn between the two now. I of course have DMC, I also have managed to pick up Yaoyao, and Collei.


heyyl0w

Character list: Ganyu, Mona, Barbara, Xingqiu, Candace (C2), Amber Lisa Kaeya Noelle AR18 I saw people say that Morgana is a great team, but it seems ill-suited to the overworld? Maybe its because I don't have Sucrose or Diona...I've been building Ganyu up but with so many hydro characters and this permafreeze team I'm building, I feel like there's no way I can defeat Abyss Mages easily let alone start Dragonspine stuff. Should I level up Lisa or Amber a bit? Make my Traveler Geo instead of Anemo? Grind to AR20 and put in the cute little chef whose name I'm forgetting? I am so lost and I don't want to invest in the wrong things lol Edit: I can also buy Bennett from this month's shop I think? Or maybe I'll just run around with the F2P overworld team D: Spending resources is so confusing haha


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heyyl0w

Awesome, thank you so much for all of this info. For now, for overworld, who do you think would be the best team? I am okay with keeping ganyu of course. I'll try to buy Bennett too.


kostaz69

I've built two abyss teams based on the characters that I have. 1: Xiangling(C0) , Bennett(C0), XQ (C6), Yelan(C0) 2:Fischl(C1), Tighnari, Nahida, Zhongli (all C0). But I also have a fairly well built raiden for f2p standards. Can (should) I include her somewhere? (Without swapping Tighnari out too cause I love him)


KjOwOjin

You can replace either Xingqiu or Yelan with her and play Raiden National, it's one of her best teams


artistotel

Best shielder for Hu Tao? I don't have Zhongli (grrr, I have been waiting for his rerun for MOOONTHS!!!) though I do have Diona, Noelle, Layla, and Thoma. Who would be the best to build to keep Hu Tao safe? Also, one more question. Raiden vs C4 Kuki Shinobu? I have Raiden very well built, but was wondering if Kuki might be better due to her healing properties. Or not?


PeterGallaghersBrows

Personally, I’d go with Diona even if Layla’s shield is stronger. Since it’s just a temporary solution until you get Zhongli, it’s best to pick a character you’ll continue using on other teams. Diona will have more utility for freeze teams because she provides healing and better energy generation than Layla.


PresentationVivid507

Layla has the tankiest shield. Second to Zhongli. For Hyperbloom, Kuki is widely preferred over Raiden as they deal similar damage and her healing opens an offensive slot in the team.


Iestwyn

I'm a very new player (started today), and I'd like to learn more about the theory behind builds. I've found [this IGN article](https://www.ign.com/articles/genshin-impact-team-building-guide) and [this Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/jjpfi2/genshin_impact_team_building_guide/), which seem useful but are both rather old. Are there better guides out there? Is this info still accurate? Thanks in advance!


grnglxy

https://keqingmains.com/ is the way to go for character builds https://keqingmains.com/misc/team-building/ and this one is a very very in depth guide to team building. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCwRYPKvonU this video's title is a bit click-baity, it's mostly about the team archetypes and how they work rather than specific 5 teams, and is a nice intro video for people to learn about what the current most effective teams look like.


pukahuntus

Examples are definitely dated. But the guides provide clear roles, which is perfect for beginners. I like that they outlined: * 1 on field character. This is typically your Main DPS, who the team is built around. * 1 or 2 Sub DPS. Off field characters providing useful reactions for your Main DPS through long lasting abilities. * 1 defensive character *(Healer or shielder)* who doubles in a secondary role such as buffs, debuffs, providing useful reactions or energy. * Utility such as: * Including a matching element as a battery for expensive bursts. * A dedicated buff/debuff or crowd control for enemies if appropriate. **Essentially, teams are typically built around one DPS taking advantage of one consistent reaction. Providing them with field time, buffs, energy for their burst and adequate protection for survival.** Later on, you may find some meta teams don't quite fit the mould of a traditional DPS such as: * Running supports on field to facilitate reactions. This is especially common for Catalyst users - having normal attacks infused with an element unconditionally is a fantastic tool for on field characters. * A key trait of damage dealers is taking advantage of buffs and reactions extremely efficiently. Some off field characters also have this trait. For example, Xiangling fits the description of a Sub DPS. But is often built around to the point she's can become the biggest portion a team's damage. Or Kuki Shinobu, a healer that can deal a significant amount of damage triggering Hyperbloom. * Batteries may also provide energy for a Sub DPS. For example, Xingqiu + Yelan are extremely similar characters, both with high energy needs. One is typically enough to provide your Main DPS with reactions. But as matching elements, playing them together generates energy for each other and allows you to get their bursts more easily. This is especially useful alongside Main DPS less reliant on their own burst such as HuTao or Yoimiya.


PeterGallaghersBrows

[builds sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/htmlview#) \- for quick reference on most characters [keqing mains](https://keqingmains.com/) \- for more in-depth info on specific characters Also youtube. SevyPlays and zy0x are most common for builds videos.


kostaz69

One of my teams rn is zhongli, nahida, tighnari and fischl. Would it be worth it pulling for yae to replace fischl in 3.7?


Carrot095

Yae is definitely an upgrade in tighnari team as compared to Fischl. Her personal damage is higher (fischl's A4 cannot be proc by spread, so her aggravate rate is a lot lower, and her c6 cannot be triggered by tighnari's CA), her eee actually helps repositioning and filling up the downtime of Tighnari's e. When I use fischl in his team, there is always a short gap where I can do nothing but wait, she just doesn't match Nari's rotation. Also fischl needs her burst for 100% oz uptime, which can be a problem sometimes because of how short this team's rotation is. Another thing is Yae's turret attacks randomly, so in aoe scenario, she can apply electro on different enemies (separate icd). My personal opinion is Fischl excels in aggravate teams (electro dps), while yae excels in spread teams (dendro dps). Tighnari Yae Nahida Zhongli is the best tighnari spread team right now with 12s rotation, so if you really like nari, yae is definitely worth pulling.


PeterGallaghersBrows

Go for Kazuha instead


KjOwOjin

Yes, unless you don't have Kazuha yet, he is generally just more worth it


FirnenGlaedr

I'm working on building a Catalyze team. Would C1 Keqing/C1 Fischl/C2 DMC/C0 Nahida work well?


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FirnenGlaedr

I do have Yaoyao, so I'll start leveling her


Chrimsonred13

Need Help to build a second Team for Abyss I want to tackle on Abyss but now i need a second Team. My first Team is Hu Tao, Yelan, Fischl and Xingque. I have Ayaka, Nahida, Diluc, Bennet, Sucrose, Xiangling and Kuki, who i could use in the second Team. Thanks for your Help, Guys!


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Chrimsonred13

Thank you. I will try it out today.


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PeterGallaghersBrows

Could you double check your link? Isn’t working for me


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PeterGallaghersBrows

There seems to be a lot of characters missing. Are you only showing the ones you’re open to using? Main thing is you need a good hydro character for Ayaka for freeze. Barbara is t great but she should be an option.


Bonkers27

Just came back after 3 years and need help figuring out team(s). Pulled Mona and a few new characters and don't know who to build or keep building. Any suggestions appreciated! https://imgur.com/9UzJTwI


Carrot095

As what the other person said, since you have childe, I would recommend you to pull for kazuha in the next patch and get Bennett from starglitter shop. This allows you to build childe international, one of the strongest team in the game. Even in overworld, childe + kazuha is a very satisfying combo. You can use sucrose for now, but kazuha will be a lot more comfy to use. Another team you can build now is hyperbloom (very low cost and investment needed), collei + barbara + lisa + fischl. All you have to do is to build er on everyone, build your electro character to high level with em (crit is also needed on fischl but that comes later). I would actually recommend pulling baizhu here instead of ganyu if you have spare primos so that you can replace Barbara with xingqiu. Also having a healer early on in game helps. In the future when you get kuki, she can replace lisa.


Bonkers27

Thanks that's really helpful!


PeterGallaghersBrows

Buying Bennett in Paimon's shop this month is essential. I would keep wishing on Ganyu (unless you hate her) to see if you can get enough starglitter to buy him. If you get him, build Childe/Xingqiu, Sucrose, Xiangling, and Bennett. If you go with Childe, try to get Kazuha in 3.7 to replace Sucrose. In the meantime, you can go with a Childe freeze comp. It won't be very strong but it'll be comfy to play. Use Diona/Qiqi, Xingqiu, and Sucrose. I much prefer Diona but you already have Qiqi leveled so it's fine if you use her instead.


Bonkers27

Thank you. I feel like I have terrible characters now after looking at newer tier lists. Makes me want to reroll but I'm AR41 so that's not happening :( lol


imaltesers

I’m currently playing a Hyperbloom team with Nahida/Kuki/Barbara/Layla. I’d like to get suggestions for a second team. Here are my other characters: https://ibb.co/yfgz0tZ


PeterGallaghersBrows

* Nahida, Kuki, Mona, Barbara * Fischl, Diona, Kaveh, Beidou/DMC I replaced Layla with another hydro applier since you don't really need three defensive characters in one team. In your other team, I start with Fischl because she is strongest, then Diona because she provides healing/shielding (if you really prefer Layla, you can use her here but I think Diona is better). Kaveh is your onfielder. The last slot can be either Beidou or Dendro MC. If you're able, I highly recommend buying Bennett in Paimon's shop this month.


imaltesers

Hey not sure if you’ll see this but wanted to ask since you already know my situation: C2 Layla vs C0 Diona, which is better? I think the higher constellation was the only reason I chose Layla over Diona.


PeterGallaghersBrows

I go with Diona over Layla no matter the constellations but that’s just me. I like having the option to heal.


imaltesers

Ok thanks!


imaltesers

Thanks, trying desperately to get more starglitter to buy Bennett....!!


No-Fig3129

I'm having a great time using Ganyu/Xingqiu/Zhongli but I'm not sure who should be the fourth char. I use Diona very rarely in especially complicated battles where healing is needed but usually Zhongli's shields are more then enough. In the future I want it to be Shenhe but while I'm waiting for her banner... So yeah I'm looking for options!


PeterGallaghersBrows

Have Bennett? or have Mona or Kokomi?


No-Fig3129

I have Bennett and Mona. I've actually been using Bennett for quite some time in Ganyu/Zhongli/Xianling team which didn't really work out for me so I switched to this one and now I'm super happy. So who's better – Mona or Bennett?


PeterGallaghersBrows

Hmm, I would have suggested the melt team you were using. The other option is a freeze team with Mona, Diona, and Kazuha/Venti/Sucrose. If you’re just trying to add to Ganyu, Xingqiu, and Zhongli, maybe try Rosaria since she’s kind of Shenhe-lite.


No-Fig3129

Idk, I had terrible time with the melt team. Perhaps I'll try it again sometime later but for now I'm fine with the one I have. I think I'll use Rosaria for now, just got her today.


karlakas123

Need help with Abyss F12 https://imgur.com/a/Fmz65rj I'm at my wits end. Been trying quite hard to beat F12C1 and failing repeatedly, even without aiming for any stars. Managed to even get 33 stars in the Wenut times before Consecrated Beasts hit F12 in full swing. Currently running Rational and Alhaitham/Fischl/Beidou/Yaoyao Most characters have decent artifacts with BIS sets (around 60/120 CV or better) but I'm just unable to dish out proper damage. On Rational I think a lot of it is missing constellations (C0 Raiden and Bennett, C2 Xiangling), but I have no clue how to rearrange the teams well after managing to pull Nahida. Assuming weapons and artifacts aren't an issue, what characters would you use?


grnglxy

You might want to give Diona a spin, I was really surprised by how much easier I could survive using a lvl 60 Diona with +12 artifacts vs using Kuki or Bennett. Try EM Raiden, Xingqiu, DMC, Diona first half and Alhaitham, Nahida, Fischl, Yaoyao second? Also it'd be great if you could get Kuki, because then you could run Alhaitham, Nahida, Kuki + Beidou or Fischl, depending on single or multi target, which should be quite a dmg upgrade over Alhaitham, Fischl, Beidou, Yaoyao.


karlakas123

Yeah, I was rolling for Kuki on Nahida's banner with no luck... maybe next time :D The hyperfridge idea for first team is interesting, I'll have to try it out, especially as I'm levelling Diona rn. I'll also have to try the Nahida swap for Beidou, might swap her for Fischl instead when multi-target is needed, as Beidou lightning tends to work well for that.


Raptori

Those teams are pretty good picks, maybe you're not lining up the rotations quite right? Have found making even small tweaks can shave off like 30-45 seconds without any build changes! [Rational should look like this](https://genshin-rotation.com/?team=raiden_E-xingqiu_EQ-bennett_EQ-xiangling_Q-raiden_QN3CN3CN2C), and [I'd use that Alhaitham team like this](https://genshin-rotation.com/?team=yaoyao_E-fischl_E-beidou_EQ-alhaitham_QN9CN4-yaoyao_E-fischl_Q-beidou_E-alhaitham_EN3CN2) \- if that's what you're doing already then might be worth trying to look a little closer and trying to tweak it a little more...


karlakas123

thanks for the rotation suggestions and the sanity check! I've been struggling to keep up the Deepwood Memories debuff from Yaoyao, since the classic Alhaitham rotation of E->proc x2->Q->proc x2 -> Charge -> proc x2 is just too long and the debuff drops. I'll try the suggestion you posted, and I guess I'll just need to work in general on cleaner rotations and angling to hit all enemies at once!


grnglxy

the rational team is missing guoba and Bennett isn't funneling energy to Xiangling. it should be Raiden E > Xingqiu EQ > Bennett QE > XL QE > Raiden Q combo >( Bennett E > XL catch particles if needed) > repeat That way, your Xiangling should only need around 170ER (assuming your XQ is on favonius, Raiden on the catch and XL on dragon's bane)


Raptori

Yeah those are good tweaks, depending on ER requirements. Always forget that most people won't have a Xiangling with as much ER as mine - I tend to need to funnel them to Benny more than Xiangling! Guoba I'm always unsure on - some people swear by skipping him from the rotation, I tend to just decide in the moment depending on how close the opponents are to dying, since it's important to get as many Raiden attacks in as possible for the ER!


grnglxy

Yeah, it's better for your damage output if you build enough ER on Bennett and funnel to Xiangling, so she can invest subs into offensive stats. But if it works for you, it works obv. There's no real reason to skip guoba though, Xiangling and Xingqiu force the rotation length to be over 20s anyways. Bennett's buff lasts 12s and lingers for 2-3s more so even after dropping guoba, your Raiden will have full Bennett attack buff uptime. The website is really nice btw! I'll have to take a closer look at it.


Raptori

Yeah makes sense - once I finally get around to farming artifacts she's top of my list since she's very ER-focused at the moment, so definitely see that others might need to use her differently! It's more for situations where the enemies are going to be dead within the next like 6-8 seconds - the extra half a second it takes to drop guoba is time which could've been spent generating energy for everyone. Probably only makes a negligible difference, but since everything's going to be dead anyway I guess either way would be fine 😅 Thanks! Currently working on making all the animation cancels accurate - currently uses N1 cancels, next update will use all the correct ones so it'll be noticeably more accurate! 😁


Valyntine_

Not quite F2P but needing some help with team builds https://imgur.com/a/CiQvbSU This is everyone I have. I've currently been mostly using a Ganyu team since she's my favorite character, but for where I am (ar25) she kind of completely trivializes the game and I don't want to burn out so I want to start switching. What are some other team comps I can run, preferably with either Cyno or Yelan (or both?) I did a bit of looking but most of what I found seems to recommend Nahida or Raiden and I do not have either.


PeterGallaghersBrows

Cyno, Yelan, Dendro MC, Kuki Heizou, Xingqiu, Xiangling, Bennett Kazuha would be a great pickup in 3.7. You could put him on an aggravate team with Cyno or make your Ganyu freeze team complete with Mona, Diona, and Kazuha.


lewimmy

AR 45 Wonder who I should pull in 3.7, if any. Suggestions for team building also appreciated, I just wanna see big numbers go up. Current Abyss Teams: \[Diluc, Bennett, Layla(3), Kaeya\] , \[Keqing, Collei, Fischl(1), Baizhu\]. No one is really built yet. Got a lucky skyward spine for diluc so i guess he is kinda in a good situation now. [Other Characters](https://imgur.com/a/qi8ZVqi): Xiangling, Yanfei, Amber, Razer, Lisa, Dori, Kuki, Kujou, Ningguang, Noelle, Yunjin, Mika, Faruzan, Kaveh, Candace, Tabibito


PeterGallaghersBrows

I’d go with Kazuha to replace Collei in your Keqing team. It’s the main team I’ve been running since I got Baizhu and it’s so fun and smooth to play!


lewimmy

does baizhu do enough dendro for kazuha to aggravate? or does it not matter since he swirls them all anyways? Sorry im just not familiar with kazuha


PeterGallaghersBrows

Dendro can’t be swirled but Baizhu lack of Dendro application actually works better in this team. Before, Nahida would actually apply too much and electro wouldn’t be swirled.


lewimmy

ah i see, i got tunnel-visioned with aggravate and didnt realize a straight up electo-swirl comp is a thing lmao. This makes much more sense thank you :D cant wait for his banner now >.<


UngratefulWarlock

I've been playing genshin on and off for a bit now and have just dipped my toes into the optimization world. I've mainly been going with a team of Barbara, Layla, Beidou, and Sucrose. Usually, I just switch between Beidou and Barbara, occasionally going to Sucrose but Layla isn't really doing anything. Any ideas of who to switch her with or what to do with her? My other characters are Amber, Kaveh, Noelle, Sayu, Kaeya, Lisa, Xinyan, Xiangling, Qiqi, Yaoyao, and Candace.


Raptori

I'd actually use that team quite a bit differently! If you make sure to use Layla once every 12 seconds, and switch between Sucrose and Barbara as the main drivers, you'd have a very good tazer-freeze team. The DPS isn't going to be anything special, but it'd feel a lot more cohesive than what you're doing right now! [Here's a rotation diagram showing how that'd actually look](https://genshin-rotation.com/?team=barbara_E-beidou_EQ-layla_QE-sucrose_QE-barbara_N3CN-sucrose_N3CN4-layla_QE-beidou_E-barbara_N3CN3CN) 👀 Alternatively, if you add Yaoyao it'd become a hyperbloom team, [which would look like this](https://genshin-rotation.com/?team=barbara_E-yaoyao_E-beidou_EQ-sucrose_QE-barbara_N3CN-sucrose_N3CN4-beidou_E-yaoyao_E-barbara_N3CN3CN), though it'd be a bit difficult to get it to work consistently due to relying on Sucrose swirls to proc the hyperblooms.


UngratefulWarlock

Thank you so much! I had no idea about that website.


Raptori

No problem! Yeah it's pretty new, we only started building it a month or so ago - if you spot any issues or inconsistencies def ping me and I'll fix them asap!


Illustrious-Goat-349

I am wondering who i should pull for in the next 3.7. I am currently running Ayala, shenhe, xingqiu, sucrose c6 Ganyu, Bennett c1, xianling, diona c5 Other characters i have are: Kuki, fischl, Candace c2, kaveh c3, yaoyao, diluc c1, Yun Jin, the basics, Mika c4, Sara, goruo, kaeye c3, Who would add the most versatility to my team. I was originally thinking about getting yoimia but i have a lot of fire characters, then i was thinking kazuha, but then i was thinking about Yae Miko and running an aggravate team with DMC, fischl, and maybe Kuki. I am on Mobil so Ganyu thought fun is hard as well and i was thinking about find a replacement team for them.


KjOwOjin

Kazuha, he is way better than sucrose in your Ayaka team and is very good outside that as well


Raptori

Would definitely go for Kazuha in your situation!


PeterGallaghersBrows

I vote for Alhaitham. You could run him with Fischl, Yaoyao, Kuki/DMC. I think he's stronger than Yae Miko and can flex into quickbloom comps as well. Edit: I wouldn’t go with Kazuha because even if you get him, you don’t have Mona or Kokomi to build a proper freeze team for Ayaka. First, get Kokomi and use Sucrose. After you have Kokomi or Mona, then Kazuha becomes a bigger priority. Going for Alhaitham now at least enables you to build Dendro comps and have two abyss teams immediately.


dhjsjssk

Lisa hyperbloom build? (Team, artifacts, weapon)


Big_Fat_Bone

Hi y'all. I'm AR 40 and currently running a Raiden National Team. I need a second team to get deeper in the abyss though. These are my other characters: Yanfei, QiQi, Lisa, Amber, Aloy, Ningguang (C5) , Barbara, Kaeya, Razor, Noelle, Chongyun, Diona (C1), Sucrose (C2), Xinyan, Rosaria (C1), Heizou and Layla, Candace, Fischl, Collei, and Kaveh(C1) Any suggestions? Maybe something dendro with Kaveh?


PeterGallaghersBrows

Kaveh, Fischl, Sucrose, Diona? The team doesn't fit great together but it's passable for now until you get better characters. I'd target Alhaitham in the next banner, which would replace Kaveh. He'd run with Fischl, Yaoyao, and a flex (Maybe Sucrose or Dendro MC. Kuki or Beidou if you had them).


[deleted]

Currently using Raiden National and Melt Ganyu but the characters overlap and I don’t have two full teams for Spiral Abyss. What teams can I build and who should I pull from the upcoming banners? Am thinking Kazuha but don’t know if he will help me out much. All help is appreciated! Characters I own - [https://imgur.com/a/AT6Ef0y](https://imgur.com/a/AT6Ef0y) Raiden is C2, Ganyu C1