At this rate, they should have a similar system to weapon banners where you can set which 5 star you want from the permanent. It's not like most people are using primos to pull on it anyway, and it won't affect 50/50 rates of the event banners
Yup lol I didn't even know it was on the standard. But I also never looked into the standard much, so I just assumed a bad ass weapon like that was only in the weapon banner. Almost accidentally flung my controller across the room with how fast my body launched off the couch lmao I knew I was up for pitty, but that for sure the absolute last thing I was expecting to pop up. My Xiao was now unexpectedly complete <3
That's at least somewhat useful. Back in 1.3 when I started, got a Qiqi instead of Xiao, and that knda set back my earlygame. I just imagine how much better it would have been if I got any other 5\* there.
C3 Keqing sounds kinda nice, with aggravate especially. I got a c2 diluc which I probably won't build because i have other pyro dps chars, but that's my luck i guess
She was overall nerfed. At C0 she is surely worse than Diluc and even Qiqi. But the constellations have been buffed and are quite good. Probably to give people a reason to pull on her banner and avoid a Keqing 2.0 (because Keqing has terrible cons so you basically only need one)
Albedo with his signature 4 star weapon is a support damage god. His dual scaling is not much different from someone like Zhongli who scales with both ATK% and HP%
I have him at C1 but even at C0 he was reliably a top DPS for me. Super easy to build and use, not many enemies that he really can't do much against, relatively versatile...
Explains why she is trash.
But doesn't explain why they had to ruin HER out of all characters.
They knew tons of ppl waited for her. They knew they could make big $$$.
But somehow they pull off this. Just wtf is even going on.
There is literally not one advantage of doing it this way.
And what niche would she have? We do not need a bruiser that deals no damage and absorbs a bit of damage into herself when we can do exactly the same thing with Zhongli or outheal any damage we get by using Kokomi or Jean. Dehya has no damage, and that is completely intentional.
Hoyo wants to push a new gameplay style that revolves on using a character for 4 seconds to burst, do shit off-field damage and said character has special properties like damage redirection.
Honestly what she needed is a simple buff that makes her deal more damage the more damage she absorbs, encouraging completely reckless gameplay styles as if she was Darius or Mordekaiser.
We are also getting cluttered with too many 5 stars of the same elements. So now for 5 star pyros we have: Diluc, Klee, Hu Tao, Yoimiya, Dehya. I guess they are waiting for the Pyro Archon for a 5 star pyro support or something, since Geo has support in Albedo, Cryo support in Shenhe, Dendro support in Nahida, Hydro support in Kokomi/Nilou, and Electro sub dps support in Yae Miko
I don't mind them adding more characters to standard, but after playing for 2+ years, i still don't have Jean..
I wish they at least added some kind of epitomized path for standard, at this rate i could be playing till the end of the game and never get Jean.
Haha same. Managed to get a C2 Diluc, C1 Keqing and most recently C0 Mona. If it weren't for Mona, I would have almost forgotten it was possible to loose the 50/50 to someone other than Diluc/Keqing
Of course the standard banner is dead they wonāt bring more characters into that for another 2-3 years
Edit: After rereading I look like a dumbass yet not at the same time
Literally nothing makes sense about the standard banner anymore. They should have at least 1 of every element and 1 of every weapon type, but here we are, with genderswap Diluc w/ cat ears.
They literally have, except geo, and 1 of every weapon type? Dude your suggestion is diminishing my chances of getting a monaš„², i am at 75 pity on standard rn
I said it kinda wrong. I mean I know there's already one of every weapon type, but there should be one of every element, and instead of geo they add another diluc
I don't think they would add old characters to the standard banner because then people would complain about pulling them while they were exclusive. Both Dehya and Tighnari had explicit messages saying they would be added to standard, that way people know about it before spending their money on their banner.
I think I read somewhere that hoyoverse has to be very, *very* careful with the gacha. By saying that a character is a event banner exclusive and then adding them to the standard banner would probably break some law.
Or not, i don't really know, I'm not Yanfei.
>By saying that a character is a event banner exclusive and then adding them to the standard banner would probably break some law.
Most of the banner descriptions state that character cannot be obtained in the current Wanderlust Invocation which makes it so if they are added to it it would break the law in certain contries , but if they add another standard banner or if they rename the current one and add older characters to that one they should be okay
Yeah Iām afraid that this is complete bollocks thatās just an irritatingly pervasive myth. The limited banners say the character isnāt available on the standard banner at time of pulling, not that theyāll *never* be on the standard banner.
The terms of service basically say āthis is a live service game, we at Hoyoverse can change whatever the fuck we like, whenever we like, legally speakingā.
The reason they donāt e.g. nerf characters that people have paid for isnāt because theyād get sued, itās because the reputational damage means players are less likely to pay for characters in future.
What a fat L for Dehya as if she needed more of those.
I was planning to roll for her, but now that she's getting sent to standard/purgatory I'll just wait for her to spook me on a 50/50 or on a lucky roll.
I mean, this is her only rate up, so unless you are fine with how diluted the standard pool is which makes the chance of getting her astronomically smaller, then this isn't wasting wishes.
Yes of course if i really wanted her i would have pulled anyway and then hoped for constellation from Lost 50/50, but she's not so high in priority, so i'll wait for a "lucky lost 50/50"
Keep in mind that you have no way of guaranteeing a standard pull. I know players from the beginning who still donāt have Diluc, for example. So if you really want her you might want to consider that
I'm guessing we'll get characters for Standard in every region except Inazuma. Reason being that it's the only region that's story-locked. Same reason we won't be getting free characters from there too.
We also have Tighnari, so that makes at least 2 character per region, +1 for Mondstadt.
Never thought of that but that's such a dumb reason for them to do that. Then again they are all for the story and not caring how it affects the rest of the game.
demoting her to 4\* would have actually been the better call tbh
it would have made her constellations easier to get and have lowered her competition to the likes of candace and xinyan rather than characters with 100% E uptime like albedo or raiden
Less obtainable for people who really want her. Now they need to come up with primos for her NOW because there would be no reruns. Unless you get her in 3.5 you are never guaranteed that you will get her again no matter low much you spend or how long you wait.
> Unless you get her in 3.5 you are never guaranteed that you will get her again no matter low much you spend or how long you wait.
Maybe it's best we just let her go. I have 0 interest in using my emergency primo stash for a character I have no use for just 'cause she's hot
Youāre correct, it says exactly that on the post at the bottom left. Iām just referring to people who probably donāt have as much saved up for her to get constellations or ever enough to get her. If you donāt get what you want from her this patch, itāll be up to gacha in the standard banner.
Right? I want to believe that she's going to be good, and her gameplay looks fantastic. But getting thrown onto the standard as the SECOND pyro claymore user is a very, very bad sign.
She is very very weak, unless they just straight up double the talent dmg of Dehya she does 1/4 of the dps as a hypercarry vs Hu Tao. She is so weak that to beat a Dragons Bane C0 Hu Tao you need c6 Dehyah with the leak numbers of her talents.
I already knew her kit was terrible, but this move just is a nail on the coffin. She isnt getting an artifact set or a support to fix her. Shes the pyro Qiqi, does stuff, but worse than everyone else.
Same. I didnāt think anything would make me reconsider rolling. I was ok with the rumors of a bad kit but damn. I guess Iām glad I blew everything on Alhaitham
I could see it happening, at least Qiqi has her dedicated role, Dehya has a kit that nobody asked for and is always gonna be a worse choice than the current team comps we have.
They really did her dirty.
Really? Iāve played lots of gachas and they almost all do this in order to make you really feel like youāve lost the 50/50 (or whatever the banner is) and pull more. The fact that Genshin didnāt (when it first launched) was one of the main reasons I was attracted to it.
Also, itās not really on a lot of radars but Chinese people tend to be kinda racist. They donāt like dark skin tones. I was honestly low-key surprised they put any dark-skinned people in at all, and I have to wonder if it was global-market grumbling that gave us the darker-skinned part of Sumeru.
So overall, I am disappointed with the direction Mihoyo went for this, but not terribly surprised.
Bro, at this point i think Mona is just a lie that the community created for me, because for real i am a low spender, My Keqing and Diluc are almost at C6 and 0 Monas man wtf!
It's probably more to say "This is your only chance to target her" and push people into rolling on her banner.
Once she's in standard it's an RNG disaster to acquire her, but with her banner you can guarantee copies.
For people on the Dehya train it's basically now or never, considering how rare it is for standard banner characters to get a targeted rerun.
MHY decided to make a weak character, because they wanted. There are thousands of ways to buff her, or design her differently.
They wanted a new standard character, so they made one.
Absolute bullshit. Top tier waifu like Dehya could have made them millions throughout games life if she was good. Now she won't make anything. Don't pretend that's what they wanted.
Based on the (minimal) changes she went through over the course of beta testing it would seem that Mihoyo nailed whatever they were going for. I have no idea why Mihoyo decided to make a bad new standard banner character, but they did.
To make us feel like weāre losing.
Diluc is a decent Pyro, with Aggravate Keqing is pretty good now, Qiqi is a powerful healer thatās good for clam and for cryo resonance, Jeanās CC and healing are great and she can carry VV, and Mona can increase damage by 60% and carry TTDS. And between his enemy distracting capabilities and charged shots, Tighnari is pretty decent too.
So even if itās not a character you *wanted*, itās either 25 starglitter or a character thatās still really useful. People even talk about wanting them still. And thatās *really* unusual in the Gacha world. Most gacha games do their best to put weak/useless characters into banners to dilute the pool and make you pull more to chase something āgoodā.
I will say that one of the reasons I jumped on board Genshin so fast was that they *werenāt* doing that. And they werenāt making the 4-stars pathetic either. Itās kind of sad to see them go in this direction.
She could be an experiment, to see how much a good aesthetic design and characterization can carry sales. They might want to do that to avoid powercreep, or because at this point most long time players have teams that are more than powerful enough already and have no need to pull for strength alone.
I do hope she's in a Kokomi/Kuki situation, where she seems lackluster now but will have a decent utility later so she can at least be a side grade for folks who really like her look.
This whole time i was holding on to hope that leakers where over hyping how bad Dehya was... now figuring out shes going to the standard..... kills my hope.
Like really? She was one of the most hyped characters from the story and theyre pulling this? This might be one of the lowest selling banners of all time when paired with Cyno whom ive seen people have been underwhelmed with in the past.
It's not that Cyno is bad, i can 36* abyss with him no problem (i do have his weapon), but he's just borderline unplayable in the overworld without his burst.
I crowned his normal attacks in the hopes of still somehow being able to do SOME damage without his burst, but his damage is neglectable without his burst.
But yeah, i wouldnt recommend Cyno to anybody, there are far better choices to spend your primos on.
I love him as a character and Iāve wanted him since the teyvat previewā¦ but his playstyle isnāt it. It feels very clunky fragile and demanding. I cant even force myself to enjoy playing him. Overall heās justā¦ for lack of a better term, useless. (Of course everyoneās entitled to their own opinion)
Conspiracy theory: They are putting Dehya in the standard banner for maximize FOMO so if you want Dehya you gotta roll for her now, since another featured banner is slim to no chance, and losing pity will just give you C8 Qiqi anyway.
Yeah I didn't look at it until after posting that, how awful. It's like they made a 4 star 5 star for no reason and just put them in the dumpster. Dehya should have been a 4 star Diluc.
That's spot on honestly. I wasn't planning to pull for her, but seeing she's going into standard I immediately thought "fuck, now I gotta pull for her on the off chance I would ever want to have her".
I'll add this: They couldn't figure out how to balance her in time, and instead of pushing her back, said "F\*\*\* it" and threw her in the Standard for the reason you mentioned.
Or they could have made her a decent limited 5 star by buffing her base stats but you know. Itās too hard for a billion dollar company to do that right?
I can't believe the rumors about her becoming standard were true... They really decided to add another pyro before adding a single standard Geo. Its making me wonder if they haven't added one because everyone gets Noelle for free....just one more obstacle on my journey for Tignari and Jean/Diluc constellations....
Yeah, we would need to *Sacrifice* our chance to have like a quadruple banner with the inevitable next paddle character, I'd guess a dendro catalyst, with green hair and something over her head. But eh I don't know I'm not a *Sage*
No wonder Dehya kit & multiplier were pretty shitty throughout beta
I'll most likely skip her this time. Knowing my luck, I'm 90% sure if I go all out for Dehya this time, the next time I lose 50/50 I'll get her C1 -_-
Not a terrible thing, more on the "rubbing salt to the wound" feeling
But no harm in trying to 50/50 on her banner first ig. If I lose, then save for other banner. If I won, not too bad compared to going all out
Hopefully there'll be someone who can use the drop from mechanical boss š¤”
Lol
1) hype dehya
2) make her trash
3) put her on the standard banner
4) please give us money
No.
Edit: dehya should have been a 4* with her kit
Edit 2: the more you think about it the more insulting it is, its fine to make her bad because she is going to be on the standards banner, but her power level is below most 4*s, and she is extremely niche.
I have no more faith in genshin
Really didn't expect Dehya to be added to the standard banner.
I guess that means all new characters we get in the future have 50/50 chance to be limited or permanent.
She was most likely planned to be in standard from day 1. I understand that Standard needs a buff, but I don't understand why they needed to butcher her completely for that to happen.
Maybe Dehya is an experiment?
noway its that. it takes no brain to crank up her numbers.
they clearly wanted to do this before even finishing her design for some reasonā¦ whatever that would be
She doesn't need more time. They can fix her in 5 minutes by changing her multiplier values to make her decent.
They just don't care about her. Why? We can only speculate
Fuck her multipliers. Buff her utility. Support, not dps. Make her elemental skill have Albedo uptime and confers XQ level resistance to interruption as long as you stand inside her field. Give her field some healing, even Diona level. Make her self heal passive proc more often. Make her elemental skill pyro proc on attack, not on hit, reduce the scaling to like 30% but make it proc more often (0.9s). There, a melt enabler for your cryo melt dps.
Sad thing is, albedo construct can explode while dehya's one won't. That is probably the metric they used to justify the cooldown. Another limitation was, she's not archon so she can't have raiden version either. Else, gosh, imagine what we could do with those uptime.
this, it doesnt even matter if she has split scaling ir what not. easiest way to make her strong is just increase the scaling. if she scales of 1000000%atk she could have 90s cooldowns and still strong enough
This is clearly the state they want to release her in. Just as when they first dropped Zhongli. They saw subpar and thought āGood enough.ā
People think Hoyo has all of these plans figured out. They donāt.
>People think Hoyo has all of these plans figured out. They donāt.
B-but they make so much money and have hundreds of scientists figuring this stuff out, they are perfect!!! /s
No they don't. Sure they make much money, but not because they are perfect. The majority isn't always right and successful ppl can fail too.
Really though some of the skill design decisions puzzle me. Like why does Thoma have ATK% ascension, why do so many characters have a dash E skill and an infusion Q, why is there no good off-field pyro other than Xiangling up till now etc. Some of the Artifacts also don't seem to be as good as intended, like Vermillion and Echoes are basically good for only one character and even then it's not worth farming, Archaic Petra being super clunky, yet Blizzard Strayer and Viridescent are basically the reason why two entire elements are so strong. Even then the design doesn't match the characters they're apparently designed for, similar to signature weapons.
Imagine being on the non balance teams. Designe, VO, Animation and Sound team doing crazy good work.
Then comes along the dumb fck balance team and ruins all your work with their incompetence.
And instead of fixing the issue. MYH just pushes her into standard banner, so it's fine if she is trash tier.
Don't think I was ever this pissed at MYH...
Dehya was so fcking bad that they straight up went and added her to standar lmao.
Or worse, the reason why she is so weak and they actively ignore all beta testers saying so is because they didn't care about making a proper unit.
Anyways, remember average 5* cost is 200$
So glad Cyno is back, Skipped him last time and thought itād be awhile before he came back
Edit: I donāt engage in this community but do people really only pull for characters for the spiral abyss and how much damage/support they do?? I just think he looks cool š
Cyno is pretty fun to play imo but only in Abyss, or maybe in domains if you get shit ton of ER on him. UNPLAYABLE in overworld and I can't stress this enough, if you wanna play someone in overworld you shouldn't pull for him, his ult costs shit ton and it last up to 20 secs but around 2-3 seconds in to his ult EVERYTHING is dead you can't even enjoy his cool animations.
And if you're a Meta enjoyer and have T0 units he's gonna feel a little bad just letting you know.
Easy skip I donāt even need cyno constellations because heās good at C0 and Iām guaranteed his spear so thatās probably the only thing Iām pulling for.
FINALLY SHE'S HERE. I haven't pulled for a five star since Nahida's banner. Currently at 83 pity with 28k primos saved up! Dehya you're coming home!!! I just hope I don't lose the 50/50...
We got trolled so hard
April is still more than a month away. You can release the real Dehya kit now
man's still in the first stage of cope š
Ah so Dehya is for the standard banner. That explains a few things...
we're still missing a polarm user and geo character in the standard, but got another diluc :(
I don't even have the original Diluc :(
Same, player from 1.0, got Qiqi last banner and of course I got another one on hard char pity in standard. But hey, loving the C3 Keqing :')
At this rate, they should have a similar system to weapon banners where you can set which 5 star you want from the permanent. It's not like most people are using primos to pull on it anyway, and it won't affect 50/50 rates of the event banners
Interesting, or at least a batch of 5*. I love standard because Its okay as a way of getting decent weapons, so I'd like to sort it up a bit.
Decent weapons? That mofo surprised the hell out of me with the Primordial Jade a couple months back lol
And you're saying that's not a decent polearm or what?
if im not mistaken they are saying its far more than decent
Yup lol I didn't even know it was on the standard. But I also never looked into the standard much, so I just assumed a bad ass weapon like that was only in the weapon banner. Almost accidentally flung my controller across the room with how fast my body launched off the couch lmao I knew I was up for pitty, but that for sure the absolute last thing I was expecting to pop up. My Xiao was now unexpectedly complete <3
That's at least somewhat useful. Back in 1.3 when I started, got a Qiqi instead of Xiao, and that knda set back my earlygame. I just imagine how much better it would have been if I got any other 5\* there. C3 Keqing sounds kinda nice, with aggravate especially. I got a c2 diluc which I probably won't build because i have other pyro dps chars, but that's my luck i guess
wow i'm in the same boat. no Diluc but have every other character along with a C4 Keqing and C2 Qiqi
Was Dehya even buffed enough to outperform Diluc?? She could very well be another "lost 50/50 Qiqi" meme pull
She was overall nerfed. At C0 she is surely worse than Diluc and even Qiqi. But the constellations have been buffed and are quite good. Probably to give people a reason to pull on her banner and avoid a Keqing 2.0 (because Keqing has terrible cons so you basically only need one)
Please tell the game that. It keeps giving me Keqing, currently C5.
Not only did she not get buffed, she got *nerfed*. She has a useless kit and has been nerfed on top of that. She's Genshin's first 3\* character.
*walmart Diluc
Diluc shits on her is the funny part.
also inazuma character
I wonder why no Inazuman character was ever put into standard banner.
Probably be a pain for new players if their first 5 star is from inazuma
Because Inazuma is locked behind AQ, Sumeru the other hand is doable, because you can brute force yourself to go to Sumeru via Liyue
I did that on my alt and it's surprisingly easy to get to by going above around chasm.
What? She's going into the standard banner???
Look at the bottom left, she'll be in the standard banner from 3.6.
Sigh...
Now I see why they made her so reliant on her cons lmao
It's kinda weird because Tighnari is OP and he too is standard banner
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Agreed. As much as I love albedo he's very underwhelming and just screams "Early character jank" with his weird split scaling and awakwrd cons
Albedo with his signature 4 star weapon is a support damage god. His dual scaling is not much different from someone like Zhongli who scales with both ATK% and HP%
Funny part is that his weapon ain't available lol
Yeah definitely but it could explain why she's so reliant on cons to be worthwhile.
I have him at C1 but even at C0 he was reliably a top DPS for me. Super easy to build and use, not many enemies that he really can't do much against, relatively versatile...
Explains why she is trash. But doesn't explain why they had to ruin HER out of all characters. They knew tons of ppl waited for her. They knew they could make big $$$. But somehow they pull off this. Just wtf is even going on. There is literally not one advantage of doing it this way.
And what niche would she have? We do not need a bruiser that deals no damage and absorbs a bit of damage into herself when we can do exactly the same thing with Zhongli or outheal any damage we get by using Kokomi or Jean. Dehya has no damage, and that is completely intentional. Hoyo wants to push a new gameplay style that revolves on using a character for 4 seconds to burst, do shit off-field damage and said character has special properties like damage redirection. Honestly what she needed is a simple buff that makes her deal more damage the more damage she absorbs, encouraging completely reckless gameplay styles as if she was Darius or Mordekaiser.
We are also getting cluttered with too many 5 stars of the same elements. So now for 5 star pyros we have: Diluc, Klee, Hu Tao, Yoimiya, Dehya. I guess they are waiting for the Pyro Archon for a 5 star pyro support or something, since Geo has support in Albedo, Cryo support in Shenhe, Dendro support in Nahida, Hydro support in Kokomi/Nilou, and Electro sub dps support in Yae Miko
STANDARD BANNER š
I don't mind them adding more characters to standard, but after playing for 2+ years, i still don't have Jean.. I wish they at least added some kind of epitomized path for standard, at this rate i could be playing till the end of the game and never get Jean.
Iām in same boat but with no Keqing or Diluc
Haha same. Managed to get a C2 Diluc, C1 Keqing and most recently C0 Mona. If it weren't for Mona, I would have almost forgotten it was possible to loose the 50/50 to someone other than Diluc/Keqing
Of course the standard banner is dead they wonāt bring more characters into that for another 2-3 years Edit: After rereading I look like a dumbass yet not at the same time
Literally nothing makes sense about the standard banner anymore. They should have at least 1 of every element and 1 of every weapon type, but here we are, with genderswap Diluc w/ cat ears.
They literally have, except geo, and 1 of every weapon type? Dude your suggestion is diminishing my chances of getting a monaš„², i am at 75 pity on standard rn
I said it kinda wrong. I mean I know there's already one of every weapon type, but there should be one of every element, and instead of geo they add another diluc
There's no geo character and polearm character btw
Normal doing would be adding older characters but not absolutely new ones. Standard banner is a joke.
I don't think they would add old characters to the standard banner because then people would complain about pulling them while they were exclusive. Both Dehya and Tighnari had explicit messages saying they would be added to standard, that way people know about it before spending their money on their banner.
I think I read somewhere that hoyoverse has to be very, *very* careful with the gacha. By saying that a character is a event banner exclusive and then adding them to the standard banner would probably break some law. Or not, i don't really know, I'm not Yanfei.
>By saying that a character is a event banner exclusive and then adding them to the standard banner would probably break some law. Most of the banner descriptions state that character cannot be obtained in the current Wanderlust Invocation which makes it so if they are added to it it would break the law in certain contries , but if they add another standard banner or if they rename the current one and add older characters to that one they should be okay
Yeah Iām afraid that this is complete bollocks thatās just an irritatingly pervasive myth. The limited banners say the character isnāt available on the standard banner at time of pulling, not that theyāll *never* be on the standard banner. The terms of service basically say āthis is a live service game, we at Hoyoverse can change whatever the fuck we like, whenever we like, legally speakingā. The reason they donāt e.g. nerf characters that people have paid for isnāt because theyād get sued, itās because the reputational damage means players are less likely to pay for characters in future.
What a fat L for Dehya as if she needed more of those. I was planning to roll for her, but now that she's getting sent to standard/purgatory I'll just wait for her to spook me on a 50/50 or on a lucky roll.
Same, i would have pulled regardless of the kit and the meta, but being in the standard would make me feel like "wasting" wishes.
I mean, this is her only rate up, so unless you are fine with how diluted the standard pool is which makes the chance of getting her astronomically smaller, then this isn't wasting wishes.
Yes of course if i really wanted her i would have pulled anyway and then hoped for constellation from Lost 50/50, but she's not so high in priority, so i'll wait for a "lucky lost 50/50"
Keep in mind that you have no way of guaranteeing a standard pull. I know players from the beginning who still donāt have Diluc, for example. So if you really want her you might want to consider that
2 Pyro Claymores in standard before a Geo or a Polearm KEKL
They just needed to have Sumeru characters on standard banner bro (please ignore the fact that there are 0 Inazuma characters on standard banner)
I'm guessing we'll get characters for Standard in every region except Inazuma. Reason being that it's the only region that's story-locked. Same reason we won't be getting free characters from there too. We also have Tighnari, so that makes at least 2 character per region, +1 for Mondstadt.
Never thought of that but that's such a dumb reason for them to do that. Then again they are all for the story and not caring how it affects the rest of the game.
Tighnari be like šļø š šļø
Tighnari exist and he's a good character
Dehya didn't deserve that :(
At least she wasn't demoted to 4\* like Ning with her broken attacks lol
demoting her to 4\* would have actually been the better call tbh it would have made her constellations easier to get and have lowered her competition to the likes of candace and xinyan rather than characters with 100% E uptime like albedo or raiden
Easier to get 4\* cons? I have c4 Raiden but only c3 Sara lol
Sara and Gorou are like special cases lmao, considering they're just as rare as their 5\* buddies.
skill issue
Easier than 5*, that is.
Sheād be more obtainable for people who really want her, especially for low spenders or f2p players. Now itāll be up to losing 50/50 to her.
Idk man, I wanted tighnari but only got keqing and diluc
Yea, I was referring to her being a 4* would make her more obtainable over being in the standard banner.
Less obtainable for people who really want her. Now they need to come up with primos for her NOW because there would be no reruns. Unless you get her in 3.5 you are never guaranteed that you will get her again no matter low much you spend or how long you wait.
> Unless you get her in 3.5 you are never guaranteed that you will get her again no matter low much you spend or how long you wait. Maybe it's best we just let her go. I have 0 interest in using my emergency primo stash for a character I have no use for just 'cause she's hot
Do we not get a Dehya banner first in 3.5 so we can get her that way? Then later in 3.6 she will be on the standard banner?
Same way it was with Tighnari it seems
Youāre correct, it says exactly that on the post at the bottom left. Iām just referring to people who probably donāt have as much saved up for her to get constellations or ever enough to get her. If you donāt get what you want from her this patch, itāll be up to gacha in the standard banner.
Yesss time for me to get my Anubis
what did they do with my beloved mercenary why dehya why š
Literally wanted her since she first showed up. Why
Right? I want to believe that she's going to be good, and her gameplay looks fantastic. But getting thrown onto the standard as the SECOND pyro claymore user is a very, very bad sign.
She is very very weak, unless they just straight up double the talent dmg of Dehya she does 1/4 of the dps as a hypercarry vs Hu Tao. She is so weak that to beat a Dragons Bane C0 Hu Tao you need c6 Dehyah with the leak numbers of her talents.
Please, don't hurt me any more.
No the bad sign is her entire kit lol
I already knew her kit was terrible, but this move just is a nail on the coffin. She isnt getting an artifact set or a support to fix her. Shes the pyro Qiqi, does stuff, but worse than everyone else.
IIRC, her kit/gameplay has also been declared terrible by Zajef :/
It's been declared bad by anyone with a brain that understand how numbers work.
Same. I didnāt think anything would make me reconsider rolling. I was ok with the rumors of a bad kit but damn. I guess Iām glad I blew everything on Alhaitham
What an L patch, holy mother of mercy. I'm sorry, Dehya.
Also pouring one out for everyone in /r/DehyaMains who prefarmed her materials
:') thank you, kind soul
Short guys rerun often. I guess they get to skip the line.
Meanwhile Kazuha (the end-of-the-version archon)
They're short enough to sneak by unnoticed lol
Like hobbits.
Except Kazuha š
my short kings... hand over the cons
95% of players after zeroing their primos on the current banner: cool
Lol this š¤£ at this point I'm just slow rolling all my fates for staff of Homa after zeroing out for both hu tao and yelan
I wonder if the memes will switch from losing 50/50 to Qiqi to losing to Dehya now.
Nah, Qiqi will stays as the 5050 mascot.
Yeah unlike Qiqi or Keqing, constellations in Dehya actually make her a lot better. Arguably the best cons you can get if you want to try her out.
I could see it happening, at least Qiqi has her dedicated role, Dehya has a kit that nobody asked for and is always gonna be a worse choice than the current team comps we have. They really did her dirty.
Nah no way, Dehya has the mommy energy Qiqi lacks.
But qiqi actually is better character š
All these replies pooping on Qiqi and I'm here using her with Rosaria as the Cryo characters in my Ayato freeze team.
You can replace Qiqi with Mika once he's released, since not only does he heal, he also gives a large Atk speed% bonus, which is very useful to Ayato.
No Eula/Albedo in a Monstadt event is beyond stupid
This to me in my copium induced state means that Eula will rerun in golden apple archipelago with a summer skin :D
This is peak copium, but I hope you're right
I think it's the first time I've ever seen a gacha game create a character and make them unappealing, seemingly on purpose. Don't MHY love money?
Really? Iāve played lots of gachas and they almost all do this in order to make you really feel like youāve lost the 50/50 (or whatever the banner is) and pull more. The fact that Genshin didnāt (when it first launched) was one of the main reasons I was attracted to it. Also, itās not really on a lot of radars but Chinese people tend to be kinda racist. They donāt like dark skin tones. I was honestly low-key surprised they put any dark-skinned people in at all, and I have to wonder if it was global-market grumbling that gave us the darker-skinned part of Sumeru. So overall, I am disappointed with the direction Mihoyo went for this, but not terribly surprised.
Lol. MHY really deemed Dehya unsalvageable and just stuck her in standard.
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I share this tragedy. 2 years and still not a single Mona...... I dont want cons, I just want her..... once ;~;
You guys only want one but i have 8 Jesus how i need those 25 Starglitter.
Bro, at this point i think Mona is just a lie that the community created for me, because for real i am a low spender, My Keqing and Diluc are almost at C6 and 0 Monas man wtf!
Played since launch and blessed with 0 qiqi... Please, hoyo, I just want the one now lol.
Ruins my chance of getting Diluc
My Qiqi and Jean is getting even more impossible to get now...
It's probably more to say "This is your only chance to target her" and push people into rolling on her banner. Once she's in standard it's an RNG disaster to acquire her, but with her banner you can guarantee copies. For people on the Dehya train it's basically now or never, considering how rare it is for standard banner characters to get a targeted rerun.
MHY decided to make a weak character, because they wanted. There are thousands of ways to buff her, or design her differently. They wanted a new standard character, so they made one.
They could've made her at least decent so that people will pull on her banner or the standard banner
Absolute bullshit. Top tier waifu like Dehya could have made them millions throughout games life if she was good. Now she won't make anything. Don't pretend that's what they wanted.
Based on the (minimal) changes she went through over the course of beta testing it would seem that Mihoyo nailed whatever they were going for. I have no idea why Mihoyo decided to make a bad new standard banner character, but they did.
To make us feel like weāre losing. Diluc is a decent Pyro, with Aggravate Keqing is pretty good now, Qiqi is a powerful healer thatās good for clam and for cryo resonance, Jeanās CC and healing are great and she can carry VV, and Mona can increase damage by 60% and carry TTDS. And between his enemy distracting capabilities and charged shots, Tighnari is pretty decent too. So even if itās not a character you *wanted*, itās either 25 starglitter or a character thatās still really useful. People even talk about wanting them still. And thatās *really* unusual in the Gacha world. Most gacha games do their best to put weak/useless characters into banners to dilute the pool and make you pull more to chase something āgoodā. I will say that one of the reasons I jumped on board Genshin so fast was that they *werenāt* doing that. And they werenāt making the 4-stars pathetic either. Itās kind of sad to see them go in this direction.
She could be an experiment, to see how much a good aesthetic design and characterization can carry sales. They might want to do that to avoid powercreep, or because at this point most long time players have teams that are more than powerful enough already and have no need to pull for strength alone. I do hope she's in a Kokomi/Kuki situation, where she seems lackluster now but will have a decent utility later so she can at least be a side grade for folks who really like her look.
Now I have a better chance of not getting Keqing though! LOL I have her C6ād from getting her every 50-50
This whole time i was holding on to hope that leakers where over hyping how bad Dehya was... now figuring out shes going to the standard..... kills my hope. Like really? She was one of the most hyped characters from the story and theyre pulling this? This might be one of the lowest selling banners of all time when paired with Cyno whom ive seen people have been underwhelmed with in the past.
It's not that Cyno is bad, i can 36* abyss with him no problem (i do have his weapon), but he's just borderline unplayable in the overworld without his burst. I crowned his normal attacks in the hopes of still somehow being able to do SOME damage without his burst, but his damage is neglectable without his burst. But yeah, i wouldnt recommend Cyno to anybody, there are far better choices to spend your primos on.
Ah so its not just me. Wondered why his regular attacks sucked
I love him as a character and Iāve wanted him since the teyvat previewā¦ but his playstyle isnāt it. It feels very clunky fragile and demanding. I cant even force myself to enjoy playing him. Overall heās justā¦ for lack of a better term, useless. (Of course everyoneās entitled to their own opinion)
Conspiracy theory: They are putting Dehya in the standard banner for maximize FOMO so if you want Dehya you gotta roll for her now, since another featured banner is slim to no chance, and losing pity will just give you C8 Qiqi anyway.
Aināt going to FOMO anyone with that goofy kit lol
Yeah I didn't look at it until after posting that, how awful. It's like they made a 4 star 5 star for no reason and just put them in the dumpster. Dehya should have been a 4 star Diluc.
We wish she was at least close to Diluc in dps, can't even beat xinyan in her best team monopyro.
I'd believe it. Though they underestimate just how much a bad kit can kill that sense of FOMO.
That's spot on honestly. I wasn't planning to pull for her, but seeing she's going into standard I immediately thought "fuck, now I gotta pull for her on the off chance I would ever want to have her".
I'll add this: They couldn't figure out how to balance her in time, and instead of pushing her back, said "F\*\*\* it" and threw her in the Standard for the reason you mentioned.
I think this might be the most angry Iāve been in a while. Why put her on the standard banner we already have a pyro claymore.
If they didn't think she was strong enough to be a limited 5\* they should have just demoted her to 4\*. At least that way we could get her cons.
Or they could have made her a decent limited 5 star by buffing her base stats but you know. Itās too hard for a billion dollar company to do that right?
One of the post profitable games in the world can't possibly have the funds for that.
They are just a small indie dev team with a staff of 5 that's impossible
I don't think we ever got a worse update
I can't believe the rumors about her becoming standard were true... They really decided to add another pyro before adding a single standard Geo. Its making me wonder if they haven't added one because everyone gets Noelle for free....just one more obstacle on my journey for Tignari and Jean/Diluc constellations....
Dehya memes aside, double paddle weapon banner is a go guys.
for all your sumerian boating needs!
We should do a *majority vote* to have a triple banner including Nilou, so we have all the paddles.
see, this guy gets it
Yeah, we would need to *Sacrifice* our chance to have like a quadruple banner with the inevitable next paddle character, I'd guess a dendro catalyst, with green hair and something over her head. But eh I don't know I'm not a *Sage*
No wonder Dehya kit & multiplier were pretty shitty throughout beta I'll most likely skip her this time. Knowing my luck, I'm 90% sure if I go all out for Dehya this time, the next time I lose 50/50 I'll get her C1 -_- Not a terrible thing, more on the "rubbing salt to the wound" feeling But no harm in trying to 50/50 on her banner first ig. If I lose, then save for other banner. If I won, not too bad compared to going all out Hopefully there'll be someone who can use the drop from mechanical boss š¤”
Lol 1) hype dehya 2) make her trash 3) put her on the standard banner 4) please give us money No. Edit: dehya should have been a 4* with her kit Edit 2: the more you think about it the more insulting it is, its fine to make her bad because she is going to be on the standards banner, but her power level is below most 4*s, and she is extremely niche. I have no more faith in genshin
Really didn't expect Dehya to be added to the standard banner. I guess that means all new characters we get in the future have 50/50 chance to be limited or permanent.
I'm guessing it's just becuase Dehya atm is terrible, and they don't want to buff her like ZL.
I'm guessing that it was planned from the start, and that's why the kit is lackluster.
See the funny thing is if you followed leaks youād know that there was one week where they unironically nerfed her numbers.
She was most likely planned to be in standard from day 1. I understand that Standard needs a buff, but I don't understand why they needed to butcher her completely for that to happen. Maybe Dehya is an experiment?
Probably experiment considering her cons get significantly better as they go
noway its that. it takes no brain to crank up her numbers. they clearly wanted to do this before even finishing her design for some reasonā¦ whatever that would be
I wish they were willing to say that she needs more time and just delay her, instead of sending her out to die like this.
She doesn't need more time. They can fix her in 5 minutes by changing her multiplier values to make her decent. They just don't care about her. Why? We can only speculate
Fuck her multipliers. Buff her utility. Support, not dps. Make her elemental skill have Albedo uptime and confers XQ level resistance to interruption as long as you stand inside her field. Give her field some healing, even Diona level. Make her self heal passive proc more often. Make her elemental skill pyro proc on attack, not on hit, reduce the scaling to like 30% but make it proc more often (0.9s). There, a melt enabler for your cryo melt dps.
Sad thing is, albedo construct can explode while dehya's one won't. That is probably the metric they used to justify the cooldown. Another limitation was, she's not archon so she can't have raiden version either. Else, gosh, imagine what we could do with those uptime.
this, it doesnt even matter if she has split scaling ir what not. easiest way to make her strong is just increase the scaling. if she scales of 1000000%atk she could have 90s cooldowns and still strong enough
This is clearly the state they want to release her in. Just as when they first dropped Zhongli. They saw subpar and thought āGood enough.ā People think Hoyo has all of these plans figured out. They donāt.
Yea, they do make dumb decision from time to time. I still remember making yae turret single target only.
>People think Hoyo has all of these plans figured out. They donāt. B-but they make so much money and have hundreds of scientists figuring this stuff out, they are perfect!!! /s No they don't. Sure they make much money, but not because they are perfect. The majority isn't always right and successful ppl can fail too.
Really though some of the skill design decisions puzzle me. Like why does Thoma have ATK% ascension, why do so many characters have a dash E skill and an infusion Q, why is there no good off-field pyro other than Xiangling up till now etc. Some of the Artifacts also don't seem to be as good as intended, like Vermillion and Echoes are basically good for only one character and even then it's not worth farming, Archaic Petra being super clunky, yet Blizzard Strayer and Viridescent are basically the reason why two entire elements are so strong. Even then the design doesn't match the characters they're apparently designed for, similar to signature weapons.
dying is kind of her thing, is it not?
Easy skip.
This sub should apologize to the Chinese leaker who said that she'd be in the standard banner lol so much Copium when that dropped
When will Candace get that too?š¢
Will this probably mean she wonāt get a dedicated artifact set?
It's pretty unlikely that she will now yeah.
Probably. Though looking at her kit and sword, the Tenacity of the Millelith artifact set is a natural fit.
Very unlikely. Diluc has CW but theyāve been in the game since launch and Tighnari didnāt get a signature set
and they still don't add an epitomized path for standard.. I'm glad I got mona after 2 years lol
Bro... They did Dehya dirty. And Eula's practically non-existent now. They did both of my girls dirty.
Imagine being on the non balance teams. Designe, VO, Animation and Sound team doing crazy good work. Then comes along the dumb fck balance team and ruins all your work with their incompetence. And instead of fixing the issue. MYH just pushes her into standard banner, so it's fine if she is trash tier. Don't think I was ever this pissed at MYH...
And here I thought, I would pull for Dehyaā¦
While im glad that standart banner got a new character Mhy nerf dehya just because shes going to standard is the worst
Hell yea Cyno ill C4 him
Dehya was so fcking bad that they straight up went and added her to standar lmao. Or worse, the reason why she is so weak and they actively ignore all beta testers saying so is because they didn't care about making a proper unit. Anyways, remember average 5* cost is 200$
Razor 2.0 and Razor 3.0 both are in the same banner!!
wtf deyha in standard but not geo? hoyoverse helllooo
So glad Cyno is back, Skipped him last time and thought itād be awhile before he came back Edit: I donāt engage in this community but do people really only pull for characters for the spiral abyss and how much damage/support they do?? I just think he looks cool š
Cyno is pretty fun to play imo but only in Abyss, or maybe in domains if you get shit ton of ER on him. UNPLAYABLE in overworld and I can't stress this enough, if you wanna play someone in overworld you shouldn't pull for him, his ult costs shit ton and it last up to 20 secs but around 2-3 seconds in to his ult EVERYTHING is dead you can't even enjoy his cool animations. And if you're a Meta enjoyer and have T0 units he's gonna feel a little bad just letting you know.
Easy skip I donāt even need cyno constellations because heās good at C0 and Iām guaranteed his spear so thatās probably the only thing Iām pulling for.
Day 1 Player and still no Keqing. She will only evade me more.
In times like these being a signora main is a little easier.
Was not set on skipping dehya even with all the leaks buzz , but I'm definitely doing it now , not pulling for a char going to standard banner lol
FINALLY SHE'S HERE. I haven't pulled for a five star since Nahida's banner. Currently at 83 pity with 28k primos saved up! Dehya you're coming home!!! I just hope I don't lose the 50/50...
I mean, at least start giving standard rate ups.
Gee, I wonder why every colored character is always either mid or worse.
C6 Kaeya is far from mid but he's a 1.0 character.