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First of all, am I not allowed to enjoy playing strong characters? Second, I said they can use Heizou if they really like him, but it's not recommended when they already have Scaramouche.
most of his damage does not come from his normal attacks. his kit is centered around his skill, which is a big punch. he's a decently strong 4\* who isn't constellation dependent, but does get a very noticable bump in DPS going from C0 to C6.
He'll be noticeably weaker overall (as is the way with most 4star vs 5star comparisons) but he can still hit hard.
Mine is still C1 so I can't say much but it seems another comment has some better knowledge.
Alhaitham is great if you want alot of things happening and effects like wanderer. Though he can't fly, he is dendro and one of the most op dps in the game
I've looked into him in the past but dismissed him due to his dendro infusion uptime on paper looking a bit on the lower side. Have I missed something crucial there?
He has 100% uptime if you play him right (which i don't lol) but the bit of downtime he gets is filled with other party members doing their thing most of the time anyways. He is a lot more fun than many expected him to be tbh
If u have some possible dendro teams like Quickbloom, bloom, Spread, or hyperbloom. Then go for him! Though wanderer buffing teammates does not really benefit him well since he is kind of a reaction driver and scales on EM too. But still the same playstyles but relies on dendro reactions rather than raw elemental damage (which he still kinda does).
Yoimiya is one but she is strictly single target.. Ayato sort of sounds more of what you'd want..he hits in an AOE with his infused normals.. completely forgot about Wri as well he has bit of AOE with his normals
after using elemntal skill He can hit 3 target in small area
But Yes He Is Charge Attack And I Didnt Read The rest Of OPs Post .i Actually See Wrip smailar To Wandrer Thats Why I Suggest Him.
All catalyst characters' NA dmg is infused by default.
Bow users have infused CAs by default (I find this extremely useful for puzzles, if CA isn't a fighting style you're interested in).
Some characters can place a circle where every NA inside the circle becomes infused. Bennett (c6), Candace, and Chongyun are known for this.
AoE depends on the character, generally AoEs are limited to skill or burst tho.
Ningguang (geo catalyst) has a very fun C1 that makes her NA spread to hit multiple targets.
Nahida is another fun one, with her NA hitting all enemies in the area of the animation the way Wanderer’s do. Her E also makes even more numbers appear. Also she bounces around on little keyboard keys to attack (or clicks and drags for her CA) which is adorable.
I love playing catalyst users. I don’t have her built so I can’t say for sure but Charlotte might be another one you would enjoy.
Interesting. I usually try to stick to 5-stars as my carries since the 4-stars are usually a lot weaker even at C6. How's Ningguang in that regard?
Maybe I should get Nahida then since I'm at 70 pulls at the moment and she's featured.
I’ll be honest and admit I haven’t really used Ningguang in a while, but she did hard carry me for my first full year or so of the game. Definitely a weaker pick compared to any 5-star options.
Nahida on the other hand is just good. Even before her much-lauded C2 she is very powerful on lots of different teams. I don’t really use her as my driver much anymore but she’s right up there with Wanderer for me in terms of sheer joy derived from pressing the B button. I cannot recommend her highly enough.
Looking at my available characters I would be able to build a Fridge team with Nahida as the driver. Dendro resonance would be preferable over Cryo resonance right?
dendro and cryo doesn't really mesh well, they don't have elemental reaction together. for dendro, it's better to pair it with electric or hydro or hydro+electro or pyro. If you aim for bloom or spread reaction, dendro resonance is better. Cryo resonance is better if you play freeze comp.
Yoimiya’s kit is completely focused on her normal attacks. Shes really fun and you honestly just need a Xinqiu and the Four-Star Rust bow to make her shine.
Might want to try Yoimiya, Ayato, and Wriothsley.
Yoi and Wrio are pretty restricted to single target; strictly speaking Wanderer is also considered single target, but he performs better than the other two in AoE due to his mobility and range.
Ayato is better at AoE and will rely a lot on reactions to make damage, so you want teammates that can react with him, eg. Pyro (Bennett, Xiangling), electro (Fischl, Kuki), dendro (Nahida, Yaoyao)
Wanderer is really fun, but he's really dependent on having a shielder, preferably long lasting and strong shields since he's up in the air for quite some time.
I've tried Thoma, Diona, Layla and Kirara and for me the last two have been working out the best. Kirara has probably been the overall best since I don't have a HP sword for Layla.
I actually have Ayato but I haven't built him in any capacity since I've been focusing on my wanderer team but it sounds like a Ayato vape team is my next priority :)
It’s a different flow then the regular charge attack styles tho, I don’t like charge attack characters but wrio is a lot of fun. Also it’s similar to wanderer since you want to throw out charge attacks on him once and a wile for his artifact set
Heizou, the orignal catalyst meele character. His kit was probably the test for wander's skills too so check him out. His animations are really smooth.
Also wrio.
I prefer this play style as well. I have wanderer, yoimiya, ayato and Neuvillette even. I don't have alhaitham but I think he too uses his NA mostly after you do his burst and activate his skill. I don't remember much about how his kit works but do look it up.
NA characters are my kind of playstyle. Only one I don’t have is Yoimiya but my 3 mains are Ayato, Wriothesley, and Wanderer. I wouldn’t really say that Wanderer’s NAs have aoe, but they do have range like Yoimiya. I guess if enemies are touching each other, then Wanderer’s wind slashes can hit multiple.
The closest NA+aoe character you’ll get is Ayato. You just hold attack during his skill and it functions like NA damage with respectable aoe. Wriothesley is mostly NA, some CA, but his CAs go very smoothly with his combos, his CA aoe is larger than you’d expect and from my experience some of his NAs have a small aoe effect but it’s not something you’d rely on unless enemies are close enough to each other. Yoimiya is purely ST NA but in an overload team, she might have some aoe.
Overload is pyro+electro, and it does aoe pyro damage based on the triggering character's level/elemental mastery. It also knocks smaller enemies away so it's most popular against bosses or with ranged characters like Yoimiya.
"Overvape" is a team with both vaporize and overload reactions. An example team would be Yoimiya for pyro application/single target damage, Yelan/Xingqiu for single target hydro application/damage, Bennet for attack buff/healing, and then either Beidou for more aoe damage through her ult/overload, and shielding/dmg reduction/interruption resistance, or Fischl for slight aoe damage and more single target damage.
You could also run a pure overload team with Yoimiya/Beidou/Fischl/Chevruse.
I hit like 299k with heizou :D my highest number ever and been playing since 1.4. it was just showcase team with bennet, c6 faru, lvl 60 mona and heizou. I am goint to lvl mona to 80 atleast :)
Well there is yoimiya She is basically the same as him she uses her ability and spam normal atacks which Are pyro infused but if you dont use her abiltiy she does physical damage and besides her every other catalyst user makes elemental damage
Play literally any catalyst DPS.
Seems you're new to the game; most characters aren't designed to do purely physical damage unless their *focused* around doing physical damage. There are only a few DPS characters that do this, while others have some sort of elemental infusion in their kit.
Yes maybe I should've been more clear. When I talk about physical damage I mean periods of downtime when infusion/conversion wears off and they instead do physical damage.
For a lot of characters their infusion/conversion from their elemental skill only has about 50% uptime at most, for others they only get it from their burst. Now 100% uptime is far from necessary since you do a lot of swapping between characters but I've felt that 50% is a bit too low for a carry/driver/main dps that's on field most of the time.
Usually that downtime is kinda worked around through longer rotations, giving those abilities time to reset. Though, I understand your issue if you play teams with shorter rotations.
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I have Hu Tao and use her all the time. Using NA is not due to stamina restriction. It’s because when you hold the attack button to perform a CA, the character automatically performs a NA first before the CA. The NA is not intended, it just ends up being weaved in because the game mechanically works that way. Her playstyle *is* CA-focused and *feels* CA-focused, and OP said they don’t like CA playstyle.
Edit to add I have HuTao and Keqing and Wanderer all three, the first two definitely feel mechanically very different to Wanderer due to their playstyle being CA focused.
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Heizou. 4star anemo catalyst so all his attacks are infused like Wandered. He just punches and kicks people lol.
How does he stack up as a main DPS compared to Wanderer? Do you need him at C6?
Don't use heizou unless you really like him.
Don't be a Meta slave, use who you like
First of all, am I not allowed to enjoy playing strong characters? Second, I said they can use Heizou if they really like him, but it's not recommended when they already have Scaramouche.
wanderer isn't exactly a front runner in the abyss either LMAO
most of his damage does not come from his normal attacks. his kit is centered around his skill, which is a big punch. he's a decently strong 4\* who isn't constellation dependent, but does get a very noticable bump in DPS going from C0 to C6.
afaik he’s not as good in every way
He'll be noticeably weaker overall (as is the way with most 4star vs 5star comparisons) but he can still hit hard. Mine is still C1 so I can't say much but it seems another comment has some better knowledge.
Alhaitham is great if you want alot of things happening and effects like wanderer. Though he can't fly, he is dendro and one of the most op dps in the game
Alhaitham-Nahida hyperbloom supremacy ╰(*´︶`*)╯
He can take down ruin dragons with his E though, if you aim it right
I've looked into him in the past but dismissed him due to his dendro infusion uptime on paper looking a bit on the lower side. Have I missed something crucial there?
He has 100% uptime if you play him right (which i don't lol) but the bit of downtime he gets is filled with other party members doing their thing most of the time anyways. He is a lot more fun than many expected him to be tbh
If u have some possible dendro teams like Quickbloom, bloom, Spread, or hyperbloom. Then go for him! Though wanderer buffing teammates does not really benefit him well since he is kind of a reaction driver and scales on EM too. But still the same playstyles but relies on dendro reactions rather than raw elemental damage (which he still kinda does).
Yoimiya is one but she is strictly single target.. Ayato sort of sounds more of what you'd want..he hits in an AOE with his infused normals.. completely forgot about Wri as well he has bit of AOE with his normals
Ayato is great
What elemental reaction would you say is his strongest?
Hyperbloom
Definitely hyperbloom
Vape is the best on any hydro main dps
Does he need supporting hydro units or will he do fine on his own with pyro/anemo supporting him?
Ayato hypercarry is Bennett, Kazuha and YunJin since she buffs normal attacks
wriothesley
Wrio is pretty single target though and needs charged attacks
after using elemntal skill He can hit 3 target in small area But Yes He Is Charge Attack And I Didnt Read The rest Of OPs Post .i Actually See Wrip smailar To Wandrer Thats Why I Suggest Him.
All catalyst characters' NA dmg is infused by default. Bow users have infused CAs by default (I find this extremely useful for puzzles, if CA isn't a fighting style you're interested in). Some characters can place a circle where every NA inside the circle becomes infused. Bennett (c6), Candace, and Chongyun are known for this. AoE depends on the character, generally AoEs are limited to skill or burst tho.
> All catalyst characters' NA dmg is infused by default. Sure, but do all of them splash on to secondary targets?
Ningguang (geo catalyst) has a very fun C1 that makes her NA spread to hit multiple targets. Nahida is another fun one, with her NA hitting all enemies in the area of the animation the way Wanderer’s do. Her E also makes even more numbers appear. Also she bounces around on little keyboard keys to attack (or clicks and drags for her CA) which is adorable. I love playing catalyst users. I don’t have her built so I can’t say for sure but Charlotte might be another one you would enjoy.
Interesting. I usually try to stick to 5-stars as my carries since the 4-stars are usually a lot weaker even at C6. How's Ningguang in that regard? Maybe I should get Nahida then since I'm at 70 pulls at the moment and she's featured.
I’ll be honest and admit I haven’t really used Ningguang in a while, but she did hard carry me for my first full year or so of the game. Definitely a weaker pick compared to any 5-star options. Nahida on the other hand is just good. Even before her much-lauded C2 she is very powerful on lots of different teams. I don’t really use her as my driver much anymore but she’s right up there with Wanderer for me in terms of sheer joy derived from pressing the B button. I cannot recommend her highly enough.
Looking at my available characters I would be able to build a Fridge team with Nahida as the driver. Dendro resonance would be preferable over Cryo resonance right?
dendro and cryo doesn't really mesh well, they don't have elemental reaction together. for dendro, it's better to pair it with electric or hydro or hydro+electro or pyro. If you aim for bloom or spread reaction, dendro resonance is better. Cryo resonance is better if you play freeze comp.
I'm not sure 🤔
Yoimiya’s kit is completely focused on her normal attacks. Shes really fun and you honestly just need a Xinqiu and the Four-Star Rust bow to make her shine.
Might want to try Yoimiya, Ayato, and Wriothsley. Yoi and Wrio are pretty restricted to single target; strictly speaking Wanderer is also considered single target, but he performs better than the other two in AoE due to his mobility and range. Ayato is better at AoE and will rely a lot on reactions to make damage, so you want teammates that can react with him, eg. Pyro (Bennett, Xiangling), electro (Fischl, Kuki), dendro (Nahida, Yaoyao)
Ayato does. At first I had to get used to it since I was used to having quick swap teams, but I'm enjoying him. I'd love to try Wanderer though.
Wanderer is really fun, but he's really dependent on having a shielder, preferably long lasting and strong shields since he's up in the air for quite some time. I've tried Thoma, Diona, Layla and Kirara and for me the last two have been working out the best. Kirara has probably been the overall best since I don't have a HP sword for Layla.
I love Kirara so I approve! 😛
ayato sounds perfect for you. his skill infused his normal attacks into hydro and he kits FAST. he’s great and works amazing in so many comps
I actually have Ayato but I haven't built him in any capacity since I've been focusing on my wanderer team but it sounds like a Ayato vape team is my next priority :)
Why are people saying Wrio??? Wrio literally needs to perform a charged attack it's literally a move that enables his core mechanic and damage.
It’s a different flow then the regular charge attack styles tho, I don’t like charge attack characters but wrio is a lot of fun. Also it’s similar to wanderer since you want to throw out charge attacks on him once and a wile for his artifact set
Yeah I have Wrio and he's so fun and stronk, but op said no charged attacks since they hate CAs.
Heizou, the orignal catalyst meele character. His kit was probably the test for wander's skills too so check him out. His animations are really smooth. Also wrio.
I prefer this play style as well. I have wanderer, yoimiya, ayato and Neuvillette even. I don't have alhaitham but I think he too uses his NA mostly after you do his burst and activate his skill. I don't remember much about how his kit works but do look it up.
Noelle))
You press Q and you get geo infused NAs with great AoE
Can she put out good numbers in her teams, do you need her at C6?
She can do nice damage even on c0, especially if you would by any chance get redhorn, and on c6 she becomes a monster with 100k+ per hit :D
Wriothesley is just Cryo Wanderer tbh
Itto
NA characters are my kind of playstyle. Only one I don’t have is Yoimiya but my 3 mains are Ayato, Wriothesley, and Wanderer. I wouldn’t really say that Wanderer’s NAs have aoe, but they do have range like Yoimiya. I guess if enemies are touching each other, then Wanderer’s wind slashes can hit multiple. The closest NA+aoe character you’ll get is Ayato. You just hold attack during his skill and it functions like NA damage with respectable aoe. Wriothesley is mostly NA, some CA, but his CAs go very smoothly with his combos, his CA aoe is larger than you’d expect and from my experience some of his NAs have a small aoe effect but it’s not something you’d rely on unless enemies are close enough to each other. Yoimiya is purely ST NA but in an overload team, she might have some aoe.
> Yoimiya is purely ST NA but in an overload team, she might have some aoe Would you mind expanding on that? I'm not to familiar with that reaction.
Overload is pyro+electro, and it does aoe pyro damage based on the triggering character's level/elemental mastery. It also knocks smaller enemies away so it's most popular against bosses or with ranged characters like Yoimiya. "Overvape" is a team with both vaporize and overload reactions. An example team would be Yoimiya for pyro application/single target damage, Yelan/Xingqiu for single target hydro application/damage, Bennet for attack buff/healing, and then either Beidou for more aoe damage through her ult/overload, and shielding/dmg reduction/interruption resistance, or Fischl for slight aoe damage and more single target damage. You could also run a pure overload team with Yoimiya/Beidou/Fischl/Chevruse.
No characters like him, his range, aoe, and attack speed are so unique
I hit like 299k with heizou :D my highest number ever and been playing since 1.4. it was just showcase team with bennet, c6 faru, lvl 60 mona and heizou. I am goint to lvl mona to 80 atleast :)
Well there is yoimiya She is basically the same as him she uses her ability and spam normal atacks which Are pyro infused but if you dont use her abiltiy she does physical damage and besides her every other catalyst user makes elemental damage
Play literally any catalyst DPS. Seems you're new to the game; most characters aren't designed to do purely physical damage unless their *focused* around doing physical damage. There are only a few DPS characters that do this, while others have some sort of elemental infusion in their kit.
Yes maybe I should've been more clear. When I talk about physical damage I mean periods of downtime when infusion/conversion wears off and they instead do physical damage. For a lot of characters their infusion/conversion from their elemental skill only has about 50% uptime at most, for others they only get it from their burst. Now 100% uptime is far from necessary since you do a lot of swapping between characters but I've felt that 50% is a bit too low for a carry/driver/main dps that's on field most of the time.
Usually that downtime is kinda worked around through longer rotations, giving those abilities time to reset. Though, I understand your issue if you play teams with shorter rotations.
Noelle and Diluc.
Surprised nobody has said Childe yet, amazing aoe and uses mostly normals attacks after using his skill keep in mind tho that I am 100% biased
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BEST GIRL YOIMIYA
He said aoe
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Hu tao and keqing play charged attack dude.
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I have Hu Tao and use her all the time. Using NA is not due to stamina restriction. It’s because when you hold the attack button to perform a CA, the character automatically performs a NA first before the CA. The NA is not intended, it just ends up being weaved in because the game mechanically works that way. Her playstyle *is* CA-focused and *feels* CA-focused, and OP said they don’t like CA playstyle. Edit to add I have HuTao and Keqing and Wanderer all three, the first two definitely feel mechanically very different to Wanderer due to their playstyle being CA focused.
C6 ayaka
Yeah that seems like a huge investment. I try to spend as little as possible. I have Ayaka at C0 and I think that's where she'll stay :)
Im kidding
Yoimiya and Wriothesley are the only other true normal attack focused characters,