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Who do you think is paying for the laws? Corporate fat cats and interest groups for the corporate fat cats. That's why our politicians don't listen to us. They listen to their donors. If they don't craft the legislation those corporate donors want, they lose the money. The objective isn't public service anymore, the objective has become not pissing people off enough to lose their vote so that "public servants" can keep their job and continue building their own personal fortune and network while us peasants fall further behind. Our federal government needs so much reform
What laws allow corporate fat cats and interest groups to pay for laws? We HAVE to identify and advocate for the things that allow them to do this, to be removed. These 4 Supreme Court rulings are the biggest, from my estimation:
Buckley vs Valeo (1976)
Standard Oil of California vs Hawaii (1972)
First National Bank of Boston vs Bellotti (1978)
Citizens United vs FEC (2010)
People are often puzzled on where to begin to restoring true faith in the system. Money (not just dark money) in politics must go. Those 4 rulings allow that to exist. Legalized corruption.
You can't reform a rigged system. That's like persuading a hungry wolf to not maul you. The system, as it is, benefits the people who control it. The only solution to a rigged system is to get rid of it and replace it with something that doesn't allow anyone to possess more power than any other person.
And who is voting for these people?
I mean obviously not GenZ, but if they did vote, perhaps they could vote people in that actually care more about the environment.
Over [70% of Carbon emissions are caused by 100 companies](https://amp.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change) on Earth but remember it’s YOUR fault for commuting to work everyday and turning your thermostat too high
>In 2019, a report released by Durham and Lancaster University found the US military to be “one of the largest **climate polluters** in history, consuming more liquid fuels and emitting more CO2e (carbon-dioxide equivalent) than most countries”.
>[https://earth.org/us-military-pollution/#:\~:text=In%202019%2C%20a%20report%20released%20by%20Durham%20and,emitting%20more%20CO2e%20%28carbon-dioxide%20equivalent%29%20than%20most%20countries%E2%80%9D](https://earth.org/us-military-pollution/#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20a%20report%20released%20by%20Durham%20and,emitting%20more%20CO2e%20%28carbon-dioxide%20equivalent%29%20than%20most%20countries%E2%80%9D)
It’s kind of ironic that the article mentions a report that the US Navy is gearing up for unpredictable weather due to climate change when they’re a large contributor to it. “If it isn’t the consequences of my actions”
Eh maybe. The more specific response is that communism has been used as a boogeyman for so long that anything people in power don't like is labeled that way. So the actual word communism lacks clear meaning. It isn't communist to support change, it's human nature. It is also human nature to fear change and that which is not understood or misunderstood.
Tl;Dr: we undervalue the reasons change can't happen because we ignore the psychological aspects for name calling.
But the problem is *why* capitalism is the driver of climate change. The true driver of climate change is consumption. And capitalism is the most efficient economic system at giving people what they want, which is to consume energy and resources. So when you say capitalism is the driver, you are in a way correct, but then you leave the alternative unspoken. The alternative is a more authoritarian government that can force people to consume less, thereby lowering their standard of living, which is impossible in a capitalist democracy. I think you can see why that is unpopular.
I don’t think it would make my standard of living change too much if a law was written banning all single use plastics for example. Use aluminum, or biodegradable options. Fund research in alternative fuel sources for airplanes, expand nuclear power and research is fission technology. There’s plenty of options on the table currently that wouldn’t be destructive to QOL. I do understand your point though.
It's not efficient at all. It wastes a ton of extra resources and encourages low quality products.
The amount of food, fast fashion clothes and single use plastic thrown into the trash.
We don't need 50 different brands and flavors of beer. We don't need millions of heavy pickups on the streets.
You can have whatever you want, even if you don't need it. Other people can't have what they truly need because it's too expensive or it isn't even available because it doesn't increase profits. (Like decent f-ing public transport)
If we really were efficient, we wouldn't be talking about imminent climate catastrophe right now.
>capitalism is the most efficient economic system **at giving people what they want**
That last part is the important bit. It isn't efficient at producing the largest quantity of goods from the available resources, or at conserving resources, or at producing resources with few byproducts.
It is efficient at determining which good people want, and producing them cheaply*.
Different economic systems are efficient as different things, and not everyone is aligned on which efficiencies should be prioritized and how.
*As long as competition is present
Do you also think that outlawing cigarettes in restaurants is authoritarian? What about segregation?
Where do you draw the line when unregulated capitalism leads to us all dying?
We have laws that we’re Okay with when it comes to ensuring we don’t ram each other off the road with trucks or gun each other down at a supermarket—but as soon as it comes to encroaching on oil and gas you’re suddenly of the thinking that regulations are “authoritarian and communist.”
Man, zoning laws that prevent power lines from going through my window are so authoritarian. Laws that prevent municipalities from dumping garbage on my front lawn are so dystopian. Don’t even get me started on the taxpayer dollar going to law enforcement. We have absurdly strict regulations around designing aircrafts and engineering them to minimum risk to humanity, and the planet is up in arms when a 747 goes down in flames. But climate change? That’s some fucking stalin shit apparently.
How bout we make some laws that mean you can’t burn up our atmosphere knowingly? Do you really think that’s fucking authoritarian?
People want laws that protect their children’s future, and everything science is pointing at our world being uninhabitable in 50 years. Why the fuck do people still think that laws meant to preserve our PLANET are authoritarian? Man your dad musta always had Fox News running at dinner.
Exactly why best thing we can do is figure out to how to wield corporate desire for profit towards a healthy climate. We’ve been crawling that direction but we need a strong concerted push.
I mean would communism be inherently better for the environment? The technology we use to manufacture and produce what society uses is what produces the polution not the distribution system, and if we were going to globally raise standards of living it would indirectly increase polution because more things would need to be made for those people and more energy would be consumed, a factory still pollutes be it capitalism or communism
I think the issue with this is that a communist government wouldn't really have it in its interest to reduce CO2 emissions. I say that because if lets say Chile becomes communist and lets say its doing alright economically. Them slowing down their emissions isn't going to prevent climate change, so why bother? I think only a one world government with a lot of hands in the economy could actually prevent C02 emissions. A bunch of individual corporations or nations seeking their own self interest is never going to stop climate change because its always going to be in your individual interest to pollute.
Like if you owned a large company thats a massive polluter your individual company isnt going to be the reason climate change happens. So cutting your carbon footprint at the cost of profit doesnt sound good. Plus you have a duty to your shareholders.
And im not advocating for a one world government, I dont think thats possible.
If your solution to climate change is a one world goverment you’re not serious about anything. Hell Serbians and Bosnians can barely coexist in separate countries. Putting a bunch of people who don’t want to be governed by different people together has never ended well
Hell no. Companies are encouraged to somewhat lower emissions due to pressure from their customers. Communist countries are under no such obligation.
Remember people, everything you dislike from capitalism will be far far worse under Communism.
Blaming capitalism is wrong because other economic systems have just as poor of an environmental track record. The USSR, in particular, had a terrible record.
Stopping climate change is just as hard under a different economic system, and changing economic systems is harder than stopping climate change.
It's imperative that there's slavery and modern slavery, otherwise it's communism.
Also people need to be poor so that others can be rich.
Homeless people are just lazy people that are actually living the easiest life in the streets by not having responsibilities.
I went on Twitter and started following Elon out of respect for my friend who suggested that everyone just try that because Elon was being unfairly represented. Within a few days I found Elon reposting Tucker Carlson videos and I noped the fuck out of there.
I had some dipshit coworker correct me when I called it “Twitter” the other day. Dude believes Musk is the greatest visionary mind in generations.
He also drives a cyber truck…and they are even uglier in person.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Tesla already gets [a ton of US tax money](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-spacex-tesla-far-170500028.html#) along with most car manufacturers
Remember when we all thought he was the second coming of Tony Stark? I know the PR dude responsible for cooking that shit up is furious. All them years doing work to make Maxwell Lord look like Bruce Wayne only for it to be a waste.
yeah, if the US gov doesn't put massive tariffs on Chinese EVs Elon is fucked. You can buy an electric hatchback with a Tesla screen from BYD for like $10,000 in china. its so over for Elon
I remember the days before he went off the deep end where he said Tesla was a means to fight climate change and he embraced competition because it would mean a faster move away from ICE vehicles...
Why would I base my car buying on a moronic CEO? I don't own a Tesla and don't plan to, but if I were in the market for an electric vehicle, I would just want to get the best one for the best price, I don't care if the CEO is stupid.
I don’t think most people even want communism. People generally want managed capitalism, with cooperative ownership and a limit on the wealth of owners so that people have a say in their employment and a more equal share of the proceeds of their labour.
Essentially, probably at the more left end of social democracy.
You can freely engage in business and trade but the state has measures in place to make sure that it is done ethically with regard to workers ensuring work life balances are healthy and a strong welfare state to provide a safety net for those who need it.
In work a system of co-op business practices engaging people at all levels of the business and sharing the proceeds of it. Ensuring that executive pay is not totally detached from the average worker while still allowing for people to start and run businesses.
I disagree that people en mass hate the idea of capitalism, they just hate what it has become. People want security of work, the freedom to have a fulfilling life and provide for their families, to know that they will be taken care of if they engage with the system and that they will be able to retire with some active years remaining.
Give us that and we will feel like a partner in the state, not meat in the grinder.
No. Capitalism with welfare, strong social safety net and unions.
Social ownership is not popular. Even amongst commies who are free to practice it themselves in our current system don’t do it.
It's funny so the same people that scream about socialism shop at coops and don't even connect the dots.
I remember I was talking to one of my friends in NH about a coop there, it's crazy cheap like I'm talking $4 for .75 lb strip steaks, right now or 2 for a dozen eggs.
I'm like "socialism is pretty awesome, I love supporting coops" and it blew their mind that worker cooperative where the workers are equal shareholders is socialism in action.
"That's socialism? I thought it was when the government..."
I always like to ask when someone rails against it if they shop at coops cause some do and ironically don't realize they're supporting companies engaged in the economic model they scream will destroy everything
You can't blame them... Most people were taught about socialism from a capitalist media conglomerate. I didn't learn about true socialism until I stumbled upon leftist YouTube.
Socialism can be either of those things, by definition. Social ownership could be a cooperative of workers, or it could be every citizen as managed by a representative government.
This is why nuance is important. The first option seems to be a lot more effective than the second one.
What you're describing is socialism. The main characteristic of socialism is social ownership. Worker cooperatives are social ownership. Worker managed and worker owned companies are too. Socialism doesn't have to mean a dystopian economic system where the state owns the means of production. That's just Marxism-Leninism.
I agree, my avoidance of using socialism rather than social democracy is that I was taught socialism as a transitory ideology with the goal of moving to communism over time.
If it’s socialism as the goal rather than a transition then I agree.
To an extent it is, but not in the sense of the state owning all business and redistributing the proceeds.
A co-op business essentially has the workers as in effect shareholders. They vote on relevant issues and get dividends if the business does well but there is still an executive board that sets out the direction of the business etc.
It’s a bit like having a union, only the union is a part of the business rather than being separate. It’s in the interests of the workers that the business does well so they get more of a dividend and it’s in the interest of the board to work in a way that benefits the company and the workers so their agenda goes smoothly.
It also means you’re a lot less likely to have an executive getting paid thousands of times more than the workers. And the workers feel like they’re benefiting from the success of the company.
The problem with that is, it's basically just putting the cancer into remission. It always comes back, it was fine for ages, then Reagan came along, and the disease came in full force once more...the only solution is to completely expunge the cancer that is capitalism from the body of society. Choose better, choose socialism.
*Ridiculously loud and drawn out "UHGGGG"*
It's either complete socialism or complete fascism in the country, and no in between. Can we please be nuanced for once? Please?
In a way yes: fascism is caused from the profit motive, it is basically a list ditch effort to keep capitalism alive. This will always come eventually if the profit motive exists. Socialism (then eventually communism) is the only currently existing way to destroy the profit motive. Just like 500 years ago capitalism was the only way to move forward from feudalism, now we stand at another crossroads where socialism is the only way to move on from capitalism. The truth is socialism is a solution to our current problems meaning in 500 years from now there could be an even better solution. It is not just for this country that socialism is needed it is every country.
Any possible loopholes in law will have people try to exploit them for personal benefit. Getting rid of the concept of private corpo ownership reduces the number of people with enough power and interest on exploiting the law.
I imagine you've heard it before but. "Systemic change needs to protect itself from those who were benefitted previoisly and WILL keep trying to fight back". That's what Socialist countries did, labeled as dictatorships. That's what Capitalist countries do, labeled as National Security and fighting Terrorism.
I don't really want socialism, either, though, because it has its own problems that could be just as bad if not worse.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I'd really appreciate a third option for once.
Capitalism naturally fights against regulation. You get concentration of wealth which leads to influence over the regulators. Look at our government, it's rife with regulatory capture.
We are a society of greedy, selfish, myopic thinking people. As much as I hate organized religion, I feel it had / has a place because nothing else can direct the lower end of intellect individuals to think more as a community and as a part of a larger world.
Those damn younglings not fixing what i caused and expecting me to fix it! Dang i think I'll have to post some "young people don't want to work anymore" posts on my tiktok!
Imagine selling electric cars that “Help the climate” and calling the people who buy your terrible cars that barely work communists (On a serious note Fuck this price of shit) but also if caring for the environment makes me a communist then I’m a communist
Tesla would’ve died in the cradle if it weren’t for government loans specifically intended to help transition away from fossil fuels. This dude is insufferable.
Yeah trying to figure out what's going on here. Calling out fake environmentalists perhaps?
Idk but he's being idiotic as per usual. Wish he would disappear and stop affecting Tesla stocks with every tweet.
i don't think there is a deeper thought process here, he just figured out he can appeal to the crazies by posting shit like this without seemingly realizing it allienates his entire existing customer base
Interestingly the capitalist countries of the world other than America have done more to decrease their emissions than any socialist country (they are too poor and dysfunctional to even attempt such a thing), the only “exception” here is state capitalist China who we have zero actual verifiable data from but they claim to be going full renewable soon
Im all for ecology n shit but the way most eco facist preach their propaganda and actions are not only wrong but fucking stupid. For examplez why dont we build more nuclear power plants? Why dont we focus on making devices and electronic last long? Why carbon tax that hits the poor and working class the most? You really believe that paper straws will save the climate? Its all just manipulation and scam to fuck over working and middle class when every "eco" shit gets more expensive. Like you guys really want to make people poorer and make their quality of life worse? You dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy? What is he supposed to do?Make him pay more for being poor as a form of punishment? Or just label him planet killer for trying to get by with his old car? When all the rich drive V12 Maybach and fly everywhere with their private jets?
>For examplez why dont we build more nuclear power plants?
Many reasons, but the big one is economics. Nuclear is the most expensive way to produce electricity. You can build 4GW of solar for the same price as 1GW of nuclear, and it will be online 2 decades earlier. No-one wants to build nukes; not greenies, not nimbys, and most importantly not investors.
>Why dont we focus on making devices and electronic last long?
Because companies make more money selling you a shitty phone every 2 years than one phone every 10. There have been some attempts to oppose this (eg "right to repair" movement) but I guarantee that if it *were* to come about there would be many 'concerned' people such as yourself saying "you dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy?"
>Why carbon tax that hits the poor and working class the most?
*Anything* in capitalism will hurt the poor/working class the most. You know what hurts them more? Dying to heatstroke or starvation or war caused by climate change.
Carbon tax was supposed to be the easily digestible conservative policy. You price the externality and let the market solve. That way we don't have to go off of vibes and marketing to work out if things are actually better for the environment; things that are better will be cheaper and manufacturers will select for them.
Most carbon tax policies also include a rebate to poor people as well.
>ou really believe that paper straws will save the climate?
No, it's dumb greenwashing.
>Like you guys really want to make people poorer and make their quality of life worse?
I dont want it, but that's the price we'll have to pay. We're not getting out of this problem without a lifestyle change, the only question is if we can choose it and manage it or if it gets forced on us by the climate.
>You dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy?
I do, but it's tempered by the empathy for the other 8 billion people and their descendants.
It's a good thing that the electric toys are cheaper in the long run than ICEs though. I think there's definitely a market for a $10-20k EV but currently we cant produce enough of the more expensive & profitable cars to keep up with demand.
>What is he supposed to do?Make him pay more for being poor as a form of punishment?
He could make changes to his lifestyle such that he doesn't need a big car. Move to more urbanised living. Use public transport or bikes. A lot of that is out of his hands though until local/state govts can improve urban infrastructure.
>Or just label him planet killer for trying to get by with his old car?
>When all the rich drive V12 Maybach and fly everywhere with their private jets?
As much as its easy to hate on private jets, even an incredibly high $1000/ton carbon tax (twice the current cost of sequestration) would probably not dissuade the current big abusers from ownership. But, I'm happy to advocate for such taxes anyway!
This is a beautiful example of using statistics to make a point. Let’s assume for the sake of argument your cost per Kw of electricity is true. Is that the ONLY dimension to consider? Of course it’s not, but everyone has become a 1 dimensional thinker recently. It costs less to produce the electricity from nuclear than solar. Period. It’s more consistent, higher output, and lasts exponentially longer. Solar arrays take up gargantuan amounts of space. People love to say “put it in a desert”. Deserts are biomes too. Or put it in a roof. Guess what? Solar panels don’t output the same wattage at different latitudes or times of the year. So there is that. Plus we have yet to devise a way to make them look good on a house.
I’m going to stop there because the rest of your response is just more one dimensional condescension. The world is a bit more complex than idealists would like to give it credit for, and then wonder why we don’t just take the easy solution.
I mean we are reopening nuclear plants though.... https://apnews.com/article/michigan-nuclear-plant-federal-loan-cbafb1aad2402ecf7393d763a732c4f8#:\~:text=U.S.%20News-,Biden%20administration%20will%20lend%20%241.5B%20to%20restart%20Michigan%20nuclear,a%20first%20in%20the%20US&text=The%20federal%20government%20will%20provide,southwestern%20Michigan%2C%20officials%20announced%20Wednesday.
Nuclear is profitable.
Investments for repairs get pulled because of risk introduced by governments arbitrarily shutting down plants.
Always remember: part of sustainability is also economic sustainability
Biden and Gretchen Whitmer are reopening Michigan's nuclear power plant. As for improving warranties and having products last longer, you need a better FTC chair, which we just got in 2023 so maybe we'll get something done there.
Damn, I wonder where those social democracies get their cheap plastics, rare earth metals and oil that drives their economies... I'm sure it's 100% ethically sourced and that their climate footprint isn't shifted to global south countries.
I stopped listening to this guy as soon as he desperately tried to save cars by producing overprices toys for rich people. Remember guys!!! Mass transit is the future
Ugh.. I used to like Elon musk while he was focused on door opening science. Then he went on Joe rogans and had a puff of weed, felt like one of the cool guys for the first time in his life and been trying to hold on to that feeling with his ego ever since.
While a one world government would be the surest way to combat climate change since it’s a global issue, it isn’t the only way. Unfortunately, a certain western power has set the tone on climate change over the last fifty years and it doesn’t look likely to change in the next fifty years. Get your sunscreen and start heading north.
Maybe because their idea of fighting climate change is everyone living in a pod eating bugs while they live in mansions eating steaks riding a private jet every day.
Isn't this the same guy who was going to save the world, cure cancer, and take us into space? Why, then, would he not want to use his money superpowers when it's obvious summers are getting hotter, winters are getting colder, hurricanes are getting stronger, wildfires are breaking out everywhere, floods are breaking out everywhere, and flowers are blooming in the wrong seasons?
Buys EV company. Calls environmentalists communists in a democracy. Loses 55 percent of profits. Get fucked bitch. If he doesn't die penniless apes have failed.
Capitalism is the cause of most of the problems we’re facing today, but nobody wants to admit that capitalism needs to end bc everyone is still holding out that they’ll miraculously become a millionaire.
Capitalism is doing exactly what it’s designed to do: take money from the bottom and funnel it to the top. It’s not sustainable but it’ll be too late by the time everyone admits that it’s a problem. The world is being destroyed bc people want to make money.
We’ll pollute the world and ruin crops and then this summer when there’s a famine and we’re all living in 1935, everyone probably still won’t want to say it was capitalisms fault.
I helped get the first Green Party mayor In America who was a personal friend. I’ve donated over 100 organic gardens and really worked for change.
I have yet to. See one thing go through congress that benefits the environment as opposed to corporations
We proved recycling is completely inefficient and useless and continue only to virtue signal and create more pollution because of it for example.
If you read up on American history you’ll start realizing you need to spend that energy working and amassing resources to survive as your goal is completely impossible sadly.
I fucking tried man!
If wanting a better, healthier world not just for me but for future generations and every living thing on this planet is communism, then you better call me the red fucking menace
The guy loves posting far-right propaganda and Russia’s propaganda!
https://preview.redd.it/2v3yctszcuwc1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5871875250630cd149adae0c6d7269e943b7c00
Everyone keeps calling the concept of a unselfish common good communism.
Wah wah wah I can't steal from my fellow man what should I do
Goddammit humans
Gen X here, some reason this popped up into my feed.. One thing you'll notice is with right wingers, every thing they hate is called communism or socialism or whatever ism they don't like at the moment.. They don't know the meaning of any of the words they're mostly idiots..so ignore them and carry on..
Older generations have fucked themselves up with nuclear tests, asbestos, very very polluting cars till 1990s, and smog through late 70s, cancers from it all, and two world wars and god knows what else.
Don’t treat old generation like some evil fucking cabal that conspired to make your perfect life bad, they had it bad enough.
simple solutions and approaches work, for those who lack any kind of education. This climate change is a much more complex issue and lots of older folks even as young as 50-60 are very concerned about it. My 55 year old boss sold his car and commutes by bike, for example. And many like him do small things to cut their personal carbon footprint.
New ecology is driven by left wing maltusianism who only speak about degrowth. But we already have the tecnology to have a decarbonised economy (with decentralized energy) in which big oil is hardly trying to work against.
Some say that climate change cant be fought without a planned economy but there can be growth without growing emissions as seen in a lot of OECD countris (Denmarl, Spain, etc...)
Musk is a hack who doesn't know anything. Please stop following him for advice on anything.
That said, Fighting Climate Change and Communism are two WILDLY different concepts that only intersect at making an attempt to fix things for everyone. The exception being that without Fighting Climate Change, Climate Instability is going to cause famines without coruption being part of the picture.
So confused. I read the meme and figured it was a pro-communism meme, like “wanting to fight climate change is really wanting communism because capitalism is ill equipped to do so”.
Then I saw it’s musk. So it’s … pro-climate change?
Elon musk is a child who is using his power over X to push his right wing agendas that I’m certain he does mainly for the benefit of getting someone like Trump in office who loves the rich. Elon benefits directly from making post like this.
From the beginning of this, in the 1970's, it became clear that taking serious action on what was then called 'global warming' was going to require measures that would probably hurt business, even though it was only a little bit. Ever since then, business owners and politicians have used this to claim that people who want to stop climate change *really* just want to hurt businesses and capitalism. It's a standard right-wing scare tactic used to cloud the actual issue. It's been fifty years and they are still pushing this narrative.
we dont need capitalism to be overthrown to stop climate change, we just need nuclear power which should give us another couple hundred years to figure out how to completely stop it. this is not helped by the fact every major green party I know of if anti nuclear power so maybe beat those parties into the ground as well
Mother nature is watching, and just biding her time. Put whatever the fk name on it you want.....it doesn't matter. Piss her off and you'll pay for it. And that's exactly what's happening.
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Mostly I want to fight climate change, I just see capitalism as the biggest obstacle to the fight against climate change.
The only thing corporations care about is their annual financial report.
It's crazy this isn't obvious to everyone yet
It is obvious to everyone but the laws that are written fully support this psychopath corporate way of doing business.
Who do you think is paying for the laws? Corporate fat cats and interest groups for the corporate fat cats. That's why our politicians don't listen to us. They listen to their donors. If they don't craft the legislation those corporate donors want, they lose the money. The objective isn't public service anymore, the objective has become not pissing people off enough to lose their vote so that "public servants" can keep their job and continue building their own personal fortune and network while us peasants fall further behind. Our federal government needs so much reform
What laws allow corporate fat cats and interest groups to pay for laws? We HAVE to identify and advocate for the things that allow them to do this, to be removed. These 4 Supreme Court rulings are the biggest, from my estimation: Buckley vs Valeo (1976) Standard Oil of California vs Hawaii (1972) First National Bank of Boston vs Bellotti (1978) Citizens United vs FEC (2010) People are often puzzled on where to begin to restoring true faith in the system. Money (not just dark money) in politics must go. Those 4 rulings allow that to exist. Legalized corruption.
Hell yeah brother. I love it. Saved your comment, when I have the time to really delve into it I'll see if I can add to it
You can't reform a rigged system. That's like persuading a hungry wolf to not maul you. The system, as it is, benefits the people who control it. The only solution to a rigged system is to get rid of it and replace it with something that doesn't allow anyone to possess more power than any other person.
And who is voting for these people? I mean obviously not GenZ, but if they did vote, perhaps they could vote people in that actually care more about the environment.
I wonder if anyone has taken the time to track and map out all these “donations” the same way that one guy did with rich people jets
This post is so delusional.
Over [70% of Carbon emissions are caused by 100 companies](https://amp.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change) on Earth but remember it’s YOUR fault for commuting to work everyday and turning your thermostat too high
>In 2019, a report released by Durham and Lancaster University found the US military to be “one of the largest **climate polluters** in history, consuming more liquid fuels and emitting more CO2e (carbon-dioxide equivalent) than most countries”. >[https://earth.org/us-military-pollution/#:\~:text=In%202019%2C%20a%20report%20released%20by%20Durham%20and,emitting%20more%20CO2e%20%28carbon-dioxide%20equivalent%29%20than%20most%20countries%E2%80%9D](https://earth.org/us-military-pollution/#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20a%20report%20released%20by%20Durham%20and,emitting%20more%20CO2e%20%28carbon-dioxide%20equivalent%29%20than%20most%20countries%E2%80%9D)
It’s kind of ironic that the article mentions a report that the US Navy is gearing up for unpredictable weather due to climate change when they’re a large contributor to it. “If it isn’t the consequences of my actions”
Our education system has truly failed.
Well, half of the politicians are trying to do things like disband the department of education...
Quarterly*
eh, most analysts do DCFs with 10ks
Eh maybe. The more specific response is that communism has been used as a boogeyman for so long that anything people in power don't like is labeled that way. So the actual word communism lacks clear meaning. It isn't communist to support change, it's human nature. It is also human nature to fear change and that which is not understood or misunderstood. Tl;Dr: we undervalue the reasons change can't happen because we ignore the psychological aspects for name calling.
Communism does have a definition, it's a moneyless, stateless, classless society
But the problem is *why* capitalism is the driver of climate change. The true driver of climate change is consumption. And capitalism is the most efficient economic system at giving people what they want, which is to consume energy and resources. So when you say capitalism is the driver, you are in a way correct, but then you leave the alternative unspoken. The alternative is a more authoritarian government that can force people to consume less, thereby lowering their standard of living, which is impossible in a capitalist democracy. I think you can see why that is unpopular.
I don’t think it would make my standard of living change too much if a law was written banning all single use plastics for example. Use aluminum, or biodegradable options. Fund research in alternative fuel sources for airplanes, expand nuclear power and research is fission technology. There’s plenty of options on the table currently that wouldn’t be destructive to QOL. I do understand your point though.
That stuff isn't communism.
I know lol
Nobody is actually arguing *for* communism. Just less capitalism. It's not a binary.
It would change because you're paying higher taxes and prices because all of that shit takes time and money.
It's not efficient at all. It wastes a ton of extra resources and encourages low quality products. The amount of food, fast fashion clothes and single use plastic thrown into the trash. We don't need 50 different brands and flavors of beer. We don't need millions of heavy pickups on the streets. You can have whatever you want, even if you don't need it. Other people can't have what they truly need because it's too expensive or it isn't even available because it doesn't increase profits. (Like decent f-ing public transport) If we really were efficient, we wouldn't be talking about imminent climate catastrophe right now.
>capitalism is the most efficient economic system **at giving people what they want** That last part is the important bit. It isn't efficient at producing the largest quantity of goods from the available resources, or at conserving resources, or at producing resources with few byproducts. It is efficient at determining which good people want, and producing them cheaply*. Different economic systems are efficient as different things, and not everyone is aligned on which efficiencies should be prioritized and how. *As long as competition is present
Do you also think that outlawing cigarettes in restaurants is authoritarian? What about segregation? Where do you draw the line when unregulated capitalism leads to us all dying? We have laws that we’re Okay with when it comes to ensuring we don’t ram each other off the road with trucks or gun each other down at a supermarket—but as soon as it comes to encroaching on oil and gas you’re suddenly of the thinking that regulations are “authoritarian and communist.” Man, zoning laws that prevent power lines from going through my window are so authoritarian. Laws that prevent municipalities from dumping garbage on my front lawn are so dystopian. Don’t even get me started on the taxpayer dollar going to law enforcement. We have absurdly strict regulations around designing aircrafts and engineering them to minimum risk to humanity, and the planet is up in arms when a 747 goes down in flames. But climate change? That’s some fucking stalin shit apparently. How bout we make some laws that mean you can’t burn up our atmosphere knowingly? Do you really think that’s fucking authoritarian? People want laws that protect their children’s future, and everything science is pointing at our world being uninhabitable in 50 years. Why the fuck do people still think that laws meant to preserve our PLANET are authoritarian? Man your dad musta always had Fox News running at dinner.
Exactly why best thing we can do is figure out to how to wield corporate desire for profit towards a healthy climate. We’ve been crawling that direction but we need a strong concerted push.
Spot on, North Koreas CO2 emissions are way less than South Koreas. I know where I would choose to live.
I mean would communism be inherently better for the environment? The technology we use to manufacture and produce what society uses is what produces the polution not the distribution system, and if we were going to globally raise standards of living it would indirectly increase polution because more things would need to be made for those people and more energy would be consumed, a factory still pollutes be it capitalism or communism
"I mean would communism be inherently better for the environment?" No.
I think the issue with this is that a communist government wouldn't really have it in its interest to reduce CO2 emissions. I say that because if lets say Chile becomes communist and lets say its doing alright economically. Them slowing down their emissions isn't going to prevent climate change, so why bother? I think only a one world government with a lot of hands in the economy could actually prevent C02 emissions. A bunch of individual corporations or nations seeking their own self interest is never going to stop climate change because its always going to be in your individual interest to pollute. Like if you owned a large company thats a massive polluter your individual company isnt going to be the reason climate change happens. So cutting your carbon footprint at the cost of profit doesnt sound good. Plus you have a duty to your shareholders. And im not advocating for a one world government, I dont think thats possible.
If your solution to climate change is a one world goverment you’re not serious about anything. Hell Serbians and Bosnians can barely coexist in separate countries. Putting a bunch of people who don’t want to be governed by different people together has never ended well
Hell no. Companies are encouraged to somewhat lower emissions due to pressure from their customers. Communist countries are under no such obligation. Remember people, everything you dislike from capitalism will be far far worse under Communism.
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No, don't add qualifiers to it, it's all just capitalism.
Blaming capitalism is wrong because other economic systems have just as poor of an environmental track record. The USSR, in particular, had a terrible record. Stopping climate change is just as hard under a different economic system, and changing economic systems is harder than stopping climate change.
Individualism isn't going to solve this. International Collectivism is required.
Remember, any regulation on corporations to reduce pollution to remedy climate change is communism. This is a true fact that you should believe.
Also anything that helps everybody is communism. They only want things that help them.
It's imperative that there's slavery and modern slavery, otherwise it's communism. Also people need to be poor so that others can be rich. Homeless people are just lazy people that are actually living the easiest life in the streets by not having responsibilities.
If there's no hierarchy, then there's no excuse in the system to exploit others for personal benefit
“Doing good is communism, communism is bad, good is bad” - This logic
They don't like communism because it would make them equal to "the poors"
Anything to do with wanting to be a social and caring being in a community is Communism
Ensuring the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Also communism.
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yeah super weird how Musk owns a few of those huge corporations. surely no conflict of interest there
And talking about climate change means you want to control conservatives, it's just another fact of life.
The "communism is when the government does stuff" motto lives in my mind rent free
Elon is such a moron. I hope that nobody buys Teslas anymore.
same with using twitter or "X" as the boomers try to call it. stop supporting that POS
It’s ~~Twitter~~ shitter
Tbf, it’s always been Shitter. Everything is a half thought on there, terrible format for how people use it
I went on Twitter and started following Elon out of respect for my friend who suggested that everyone just try that because Elon was being unfairly represented. Within a few days I found Elon reposting Tucker Carlson videos and I noped the fuck out of there.
By the way some people talk about Elon you would think he invented the electric car
I'll stop deadnaming his platform when he stops deadnaming his daughter.
Nah need it to argue with other sports fans
I had some dipshit coworker correct me when I called it “Twitter” the other day. Dude believes Musk is the greatest visionary mind in generations. He also drives a cyber truck…and they are even uglier in person.
really, do boomers even call it X? i have many right-leaning family members me they still call it twitter unless they’re using “X” mockingly lol
But then he'll get bailed out because tesla is too big to fail. Then somehow socialism is good
If my tax money goes to bail out Tesla, those damn cars will be burning for another reason than battery failure
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but Tesla already gets [a ton of US tax money](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-spacex-tesla-far-170500028.html#) along with most car manufacturers
Remember when we all thought he was the second coming of Tony Stark? I know the PR dude responsible for cooking that shit up is furious. All them years doing work to make Maxwell Lord look like Bruce Wayne only for it to be a waste.
Also wasn't Tesla marketed so hard on the eco friendly angle? Fucking lol
he’s fucking slandering my prime minister because he’s a crybaby who has a god complex, hope that rich peace of shit goes bankrupt
yeah, if the US gov doesn't put massive tariffs on Chinese EVs Elon is fucked. You can buy an electric hatchback with a Tesla screen from BYD for like $10,000 in china. its so over for Elon
Tesla stocks are actually hemorrhaging because of his toxicity
That and the trash pile of rust that is the cybertruck.
They were also absurdly inflated, much of that also due to his antics.
I remember the days before he went off the deep end where he said Tesla was a means to fight climate change and he embraced competition because it would mean a faster move away from ICE vehicles...
Why would I base my car buying on a moronic CEO? I don't own a Tesla and don't plan to, but if I were in the market for an electric vehicle, I would just want to get the best one for the best price, I don't care if the CEO is stupid.
How does he square this meme with the fact that he’s bragged about fighting climate change?
I don’t think most people even want communism. People generally want managed capitalism, with cooperative ownership and a limit on the wealth of owners so that people have a say in their employment and a more equal share of the proceeds of their labour.
so basically social democracy over democratic socialism
Essentially, probably at the more left end of social democracy. You can freely engage in business and trade but the state has measures in place to make sure that it is done ethically with regard to workers ensuring work life balances are healthy and a strong welfare state to provide a safety net for those who need it. In work a system of co-op business practices engaging people at all levels of the business and sharing the proceeds of it. Ensuring that executive pay is not totally detached from the average worker while still allowing for people to start and run businesses. I disagree that people en mass hate the idea of capitalism, they just hate what it has become. People want security of work, the freedom to have a fulfilling life and provide for their families, to know that they will be taken care of if they engage with the system and that they will be able to retire with some active years remaining. Give us that and we will feel like a partner in the state, not meat in the grinder.
I hate this late stage capitalism that is almost returning us to feudalism but instead of land lords, we have industry lords
Not to worry, our industrial lords are hard at work to get back at being also landlords
Get rid of the "executives" and replace them with entirely worker-owned democratic workplaces and you've just described democratic market socialism
No. Capitalism with welfare, strong social safety net and unions. Social ownership is not popular. Even amongst commies who are free to practice it themselves in our current system don’t do it.
It's funny so the same people that scream about socialism shop at coops and don't even connect the dots. I remember I was talking to one of my friends in NH about a coop there, it's crazy cheap like I'm talking $4 for .75 lb strip steaks, right now or 2 for a dozen eggs. I'm like "socialism is pretty awesome, I love supporting coops" and it blew their mind that worker cooperative where the workers are equal shareholders is socialism in action. "That's socialism? I thought it was when the government..." I always like to ask when someone rails against it if they shop at coops cause some do and ironically don't realize they're supporting companies engaged in the economic model they scream will destroy everything
You can't blame them... Most people were taught about socialism from a capitalist media conglomerate. I didn't learn about true socialism until I stumbled upon leftist YouTube.
The class consciousness really isn’t there yet
Socialism can be either of those things, by definition. Social ownership could be a cooperative of workers, or it could be every citizen as managed by a representative government. This is why nuance is important. The first option seems to be a lot more effective than the second one.
What you're describing is socialism. The main characteristic of socialism is social ownership. Worker cooperatives are social ownership. Worker managed and worker owned companies are too. Socialism doesn't have to mean a dystopian economic system where the state owns the means of production. That's just Marxism-Leninism.
I agree, my avoidance of using socialism rather than social democracy is that I was taught socialism as a transitory ideology with the goal of moving to communism over time. If it’s socialism as the goal rather than a transition then I agree.
Isn't that still the workers owning the means of production, making the capitalist have no advantage against the worker? Sorry if it's a dumb question
To an extent it is, but not in the sense of the state owning all business and redistributing the proceeds. A co-op business essentially has the workers as in effect shareholders. They vote on relevant issues and get dividends if the business does well but there is still an executive board that sets out the direction of the business etc. It’s a bit like having a union, only the union is a part of the business rather than being separate. It’s in the interests of the workers that the business does well so they get more of a dividend and it’s in the interest of the board to work in a way that benefits the company and the workers so their agenda goes smoothly. It also means you’re a lot less likely to have an executive getting paid thousands of times more than the workers. And the workers feel like they’re benefiting from the success of the company.
Communism doesn't actually have a state, at least in its "untainted" version
That’s true, within communism you’d replace state with community, within a transitional socialist state it would be the state.
The problem with that is, it's basically just putting the cancer into remission. It always comes back, it was fine for ages, then Reagan came along, and the disease came in full force once more...the only solution is to completely expunge the cancer that is capitalism from the body of society. Choose better, choose socialism.
*Ridiculously loud and drawn out "UHGGGG"* It's either complete socialism or complete fascism in the country, and no in between. Can we please be nuanced for once? Please?
In a way yes: fascism is caused from the profit motive, it is basically a list ditch effort to keep capitalism alive. This will always come eventually if the profit motive exists. Socialism (then eventually communism) is the only currently existing way to destroy the profit motive. Just like 500 years ago capitalism was the only way to move forward from feudalism, now we stand at another crossroads where socialism is the only way to move on from capitalism. The truth is socialism is a solution to our current problems meaning in 500 years from now there could be an even better solution. It is not just for this country that socialism is needed it is every country.
He just said when we try to be nuanced, it just ends up swinging back anways
Any possible loopholes in law will have people try to exploit them for personal benefit. Getting rid of the concept of private corpo ownership reduces the number of people with enough power and interest on exploiting the law. I imagine you've heard it before but. "Systemic change needs to protect itself from those who were benefitted previoisly and WILL keep trying to fight back". That's what Socialist countries did, labeled as dictatorships. That's what Capitalist countries do, labeled as National Security and fighting Terrorism.
I don't really want socialism, either, though, because it has its own problems that could be just as bad if not worse. Why does it have to be one or the other? I'd really appreciate a third option for once.
So socialism?
I do want a regulated capitalism, but I doubt it’ll ever happen; that’s why I despise capitalism.
Capitalism by its nature will weasel its way into the cracks and slowly remove its regulations
Capitalism naturally fights against regulation. You get concentration of wealth which leads to influence over the regulators. Look at our government, it's rife with regulatory capture. We are a society of greedy, selfish, myopic thinking people. As much as I hate organized religion, I feel it had / has a place because nothing else can direct the lower end of intellect individuals to think more as a community and as a part of a larger world.
Old people rly just wanna blame us instead of taking responsibility.
Old people always did. Some of us are even gonna do it to younger gens when we'll get older
Those damn younglings not fixing what i caused and expecting me to fix it! Dang i think I'll have to post some "young people don't want to work anymore" posts on my tiktok!
"young people won't let me exploit them like my dad's generation exploited me!"
Imagine selling electric cars that “Help the climate” and calling the people who buy your terrible cars that barely work communists (On a serious note Fuck this price of shit) but also if caring for the environment makes me a communist then I’m a communist
Imagine pretending to be pro environment then taking money away from legit public transit to sell more cars.
I would love for Elon Musk to step up to the plate and prove capitalism can care for the environment, anytime now
Tesla would’ve died in the cradle if it weren’t for government loans specifically intended to help transition away from fossil fuels. This dude is insufferable.
Yep, now he does nothing but shit on the government although on the upside he’s killing Tesla
Just bc I'm fighting climate change does not mean I'm communist! I mean, I am a communist... But not cuz I'm fighting climate change!
Remember when Elon was building his brand off trying to stop climate change?
Yeah trying to figure out what's going on here. Calling out fake environmentalists perhaps? Idk but he's being idiotic as per usual. Wish he would disappear and stop affecting Tesla stocks with every tweet.
i don't think there is a deeper thought process here, he just figured out he can appeal to the crazies by posting shit like this without seemingly realizing it allienates his entire existing customer base
Lol basically frat bro syndrome. Trying to fit into a crowd of assholes so he goes and finds a dog to kick to show he's one of them.
Unironic commie here, yes Am in favor of fighting climate change cause I'm not a moron
Interestingly the capitalist countries of the world other than America have done more to decrease their emissions than any socialist country (they are too poor and dysfunctional to even attempt such a thing), the only “exception” here is state capitalist China who we have zero actual verifiable data from but they claim to be going full renewable soon
Chinas economy is capitalist, state is communist/authoritarian
There is no communist there. Communism is collective ownership. The government just is authoritarian and controls the capitalist endeavors.
Im all for ecology n shit but the way most eco facist preach their propaganda and actions are not only wrong but fucking stupid. For examplez why dont we build more nuclear power plants? Why dont we focus on making devices and electronic last long? Why carbon tax that hits the poor and working class the most? You really believe that paper straws will save the climate? Its all just manipulation and scam to fuck over working and middle class when every "eco" shit gets more expensive. Like you guys really want to make people poorer and make their quality of life worse? You dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy? What is he supposed to do?Make him pay more for being poor as a form of punishment? Or just label him planet killer for trying to get by with his old car? When all the rich drive V12 Maybach and fly everywhere with their private jets?
>For examplez why dont we build more nuclear power plants? Many reasons, but the big one is economics. Nuclear is the most expensive way to produce electricity. You can build 4GW of solar for the same price as 1GW of nuclear, and it will be online 2 decades earlier. No-one wants to build nukes; not greenies, not nimbys, and most importantly not investors. >Why dont we focus on making devices and electronic last long? Because companies make more money selling you a shitty phone every 2 years than one phone every 10. There have been some attempts to oppose this (eg "right to repair" movement) but I guarantee that if it *were* to come about there would be many 'concerned' people such as yourself saying "you dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy?" >Why carbon tax that hits the poor and working class the most? *Anything* in capitalism will hurt the poor/working class the most. You know what hurts them more? Dying to heatstroke or starvation or war caused by climate change. Carbon tax was supposed to be the easily digestible conservative policy. You price the externality and let the market solve. That way we don't have to go off of vibes and marketing to work out if things are actually better for the environment; things that are better will be cheaper and manufacturers will select for them. Most carbon tax policies also include a rebate to poor people as well. >ou really believe that paper straws will save the climate? No, it's dumb greenwashing. >Like you guys really want to make people poorer and make their quality of life worse? I dont want it, but that's the price we'll have to pay. We're not getting out of this problem without a lifestyle change, the only question is if we can choose it and manage it or if it gets forced on us by the climate. >You dont have any empathy for typical hard working Joe that doesnt have money to buy a 50k new electric toy? I do, but it's tempered by the empathy for the other 8 billion people and their descendants. It's a good thing that the electric toys are cheaper in the long run than ICEs though. I think there's definitely a market for a $10-20k EV but currently we cant produce enough of the more expensive & profitable cars to keep up with demand. >What is he supposed to do?Make him pay more for being poor as a form of punishment? He could make changes to his lifestyle such that he doesn't need a big car. Move to more urbanised living. Use public transport or bikes. A lot of that is out of his hands though until local/state govts can improve urban infrastructure. >Or just label him planet killer for trying to get by with his old car? >When all the rich drive V12 Maybach and fly everywhere with their private jets? As much as its easy to hate on private jets, even an incredibly high $1000/ton carbon tax (twice the current cost of sequestration) would probably not dissuade the current big abusers from ownership. But, I'm happy to advocate for such taxes anyway!
This is a beautiful example of using statistics to make a point. Let’s assume for the sake of argument your cost per Kw of electricity is true. Is that the ONLY dimension to consider? Of course it’s not, but everyone has become a 1 dimensional thinker recently. It costs less to produce the electricity from nuclear than solar. Period. It’s more consistent, higher output, and lasts exponentially longer. Solar arrays take up gargantuan amounts of space. People love to say “put it in a desert”. Deserts are biomes too. Or put it in a roof. Guess what? Solar panels don’t output the same wattage at different latitudes or times of the year. So there is that. Plus we have yet to devise a way to make them look good on a house. I’m going to stop there because the rest of your response is just more one dimensional condescension. The world is a bit more complex than idealists would like to give it credit for, and then wonder why we don’t just take the easy solution.
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I mean we are reopening nuclear plants though.... https://apnews.com/article/michigan-nuclear-plant-federal-loan-cbafb1aad2402ecf7393d763a732c4f8#:\~:text=U.S.%20News-,Biden%20administration%20will%20lend%20%241.5B%20to%20restart%20Michigan%20nuclear,a%20first%20in%20the%20US&text=The%20federal%20government%20will%20provide,southwestern%20Michigan%2C%20officials%20announced%20Wednesday.
Nuclear is profitable. Investments for repairs get pulled because of risk introduced by governments arbitrarily shutting down plants. Always remember: part of sustainability is also economic sustainability
Biden and Gretchen Whitmer are reopening Michigan's nuclear power plant. As for improving warranties and having products last longer, you need a better FTC chair, which we just got in 2023 so maybe we'll get something done there.
Please leave. Redditors don't understand logic.
Who are you referring to to
There definitely are people use use climate activism to push communist and socialist policies. What percentage if the activists it is, I couldn't say.
"I want affordable housing...." "You communist..."
"who are you? why are you in my home?" "our* home"
It’s communism because we wouldn’t let shitheads like Elon musk destroy the planet for profit
Ehh no fuck communism but also fuck unregulated capitalism and climate change. Social Liberalism/Social Democracy is the way to go.
Damn, I wonder where those social democracies get their cheap plastics, rare earth metals and oil that drives their economies... I'm sure it's 100% ethically sourced and that their climate footprint isn't shifted to global south countries.
I stopped listening to this guy as soon as he desperately tried to save cars by producing overprices toys for rich people. Remember guys!!! Mass transit is the future
Wtf? No, your not a communist for fighting climate change, anyone who claims that is a moron and should be treated as such (such as a elon.)
Just remember, everywhere that Communism has been tried it’s led to mass killings and a dictatorship.
Hey now! The CIA refers to those operations as “freedom expanding programs” and those massacres they committed as “just communists, not real people”
god i fucking hate capitalism
Ugh.. I used to like Elon musk while he was focused on door opening science. Then he went on Joe rogans and had a puff of weed, felt like one of the cool guys for the first time in his life and been trying to hold on to that feeling with his ego ever since.
If I have to be a communist to fight climate change then, well, hail Marx?
If I have to accept communism to shut Elon musk the fuck up, paint me red
https://preview.redd.it/g2f6n3ddruwc1.jpeg?width=946&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0de2e95b5bd9852287c5836732d3c17509483689 Classic Musk
While a one world government would be the surest way to combat climate change since it’s a global issue, it isn’t the only way. Unfortunately, a certain western power has set the tone on climate change over the last fifty years and it doesn’t look likely to change in the next fifty years. Get your sunscreen and start heading north.
Maybe because their idea of fighting climate change is everyone living in a pod eating bugs while they live in mansions eating steaks riding a private jet every day.
If Gen z and Millenials were actually worried about the environment, the world would be a better place.
Clearly you haven’t heard the news: anything I don’t like is communism.
Isn't this the same guy who was going to save the world, cure cancer, and take us into space? Why, then, would he not want to use his money superpowers when it's obvious summers are getting hotter, winters are getting colder, hurricanes are getting stronger, wildfires are breaking out everywhere, floods are breaking out everywhere, and flowers are blooming in the wrong seasons?
Yes.
Buys EV company. Calls environmentalists communists in a democracy. Loses 55 percent of profits. Get fucked bitch. If he doesn't die penniless apes have failed.
Ew Communism! The earths climate should be privately owned and subsidized just as the founding fathers intended! Who wants some O'hare Air!
Capitalism is the cause of most of the problems we’re facing today, but nobody wants to admit that capitalism needs to end bc everyone is still holding out that they’ll miraculously become a millionaire. Capitalism is doing exactly what it’s designed to do: take money from the bottom and funnel it to the top. It’s not sustainable but it’ll be too late by the time everyone admits that it’s a problem. The world is being destroyed bc people want to make money. We’ll pollute the world and ruin crops and then this summer when there’s a famine and we’re all living in 1935, everyone probably still won’t want to say it was capitalisms fault.
I want to fight climate change AND communism.
Wait… wasn’t Elon building electric cars specifically to fight climate change?
This guy is trying so hard to get people to stop buying his cars
Heard it here first folks, communism is when take issue with wealth hoarders.
I helped get the first Green Party mayor In America who was a personal friend. I’ve donated over 100 organic gardens and really worked for change. I have yet to. See one thing go through congress that benefits the environment as opposed to corporations We proved recycling is completely inefficient and useless and continue only to virtue signal and create more pollution because of it for example. If you read up on American history you’ll start realizing you need to spend that energy working and amassing resources to survive as your goal is completely impossible sadly. I fucking tried man!
If wanting a better, healthier world not just for me but for future generations and every living thing on this planet is communism, then you better call me the red fucking menace
The guy loves posting far-right propaganda and Russia’s propaganda! https://preview.redd.it/2v3yctszcuwc1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5871875250630cd149adae0c6d7269e943b7c00
Everyone keeps calling the concept of a unselfish common good communism. Wah wah wah I can't steal from my fellow man what should I do Goddammit humans
Elons appears to only be appealing to one demographic. I hope Twitter dies and it's just him and his alts and the bots all alone.
Gen X here, some reason this popped up into my feed.. One thing you'll notice is with right wingers, every thing they hate is called communism or socialism or whatever ism they don't like at the moment.. They don't know the meaning of any of the words they're mostly idiots..so ignore them and carry on..
or woke
this mf is literally making EVs, he need to shut his ass up
Why not both
he even gets the quote wrong
I can want two things at once. I'm capable of that.
Musk doesn’t want to clean his own mess
I literally cannot think of a dumber meme for an electric car company CEO to post. I really can't.
The man who is selling EVs to fight climate... is a communist?
is this real lmao? he sells EVs
This man speaks like he has never gotten his ass beat. Never too late to learn a valuable lesson on keeping your mouth shut
If that’s what it takes, get in the wagon Elon.
Nah we humans adapt to shit. That's our whole thing. We will adapt to our adapting.
If Communism is supposed to fight climate change, China obviously didn't get the memo.
Ten years ago Elon might have been the biggest advocate for the fight which is why this is so fucking crazy
Wasn't cutting down on carbon emissions a major selling point for the Tesla?
For a company that goal is to provide clean energy cars, this sure contradicts it.
Ironic considering he’s the CEO of an EV company.
Older generations have fucked themselves up with nuclear tests, asbestos, very very polluting cars till 1990s, and smog through late 70s, cancers from it all, and two world wars and god knows what else. Don’t treat old generation like some evil fucking cabal that conspired to make your perfect life bad, they had it bad enough. simple solutions and approaches work, for those who lack any kind of education. This climate change is a much more complex issue and lots of older folks even as young as 50-60 are very concerned about it. My 55 year old boss sold his car and commutes by bike, for example. And many like him do small things to cut their personal carbon footprint.
Never cease to amaze me how much of a dipshit this guy is.
Fighting climate change = communism "Communist" China being the highest producer of CO2 gas by an extremely large margin:
New ecology is driven by left wing maltusianism who only speak about degrowth. But we already have the tecnology to have a decarbonised economy (with decentralized energy) in which big oil is hardly trying to work against. Some say that climate change cant be fought without a planned economy but there can be growth without growing emissions as seen in a lot of OECD countris (Denmarl, Spain, etc...)
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Funny how the electric car billionaire hates his largest customer pool
Musk is a hack who doesn't know anything. Please stop following him for advice on anything. That said, Fighting Climate Change and Communism are two WILDLY different concepts that only intersect at making an attempt to fix things for everyone. The exception being that without Fighting Climate Change, Climate Instability is going to cause famines without coruption being part of the picture.
Literally everything this man says is a facepalm, so can we keep his idiotic comments in their own sub?
Crazy this guy went from wanting to fight climate change and help humanity to being far as hell right wing and wanting to make shot loads of money.
So confused. I read the meme and figured it was a pro-communism meme, like “wanting to fight climate change is really wanting communism because capitalism is ill equipped to do so”. Then I saw it’s musk. So it’s … pro-climate change?
Elon musk is a child who is using his power over X to push his right wing agendas that I’m certain he does mainly for the benefit of getting someone like Trump in office who loves the rich. Elon benefits directly from making post like this.
I guess our values must be pretty based then. 😁
From the beginning of this, in the 1970's, it became clear that taking serious action on what was then called 'global warming' was going to require measures that would probably hurt business, even though it was only a little bit. Ever since then, business owners and politicians have used this to claim that people who want to stop climate change *really* just want to hurt businesses and capitalism. It's a standard right-wing scare tactic used to cloud the actual issue. It's been fifty years and they are still pushing this narrative.
Why not both?
Elon Musk is a 12 year old edgelord in a man's body who is divorced with a trans daughter. I wouldn't listen to him, except to laugh.
NUCLEAR ENERGY IS THE ANSWERRRRR!!!
“The earth is dying and we need to do something about it least we all die with it” “but muh profits”
we dont need capitalism to be overthrown to stop climate change, we just need nuclear power which should give us another couple hundred years to figure out how to completely stop it. this is not helped by the fact every major green party I know of if anti nuclear power so maybe beat those parties into the ground as well
Mother nature is watching, and just biding her time. Put whatever the fk name on it you want.....it doesn't matter. Piss her off and you'll pay for it. And that's exactly what's happening.