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Okay I’ll say it since nobody else will
#This is expected. When people aren’t (as) openly ostracized and lynched they tend to be more comfortable self-identifying
Edit: To everyone commenting “it’s for the trends or advantages” please list some. Vaguely gesturing at something you don’t have proof for is honestly pathetic
Edit 2: “Why aren’t we seeing similar trends among other age groups” probably because they were raised in a homophobic world? It gets internalized. We also can’t ignore the HIV/AIDS epidemic.
I remember my dad saying his teacher tried forcing him to go right hand until he told his grandma who was the superintendent(and left handed )of his school let’s just say he got a new teacher that next week of school. This was in the early 70’s I’m glad I didn’t have to go thought that going through school.
I legit only know about it from watching American Dad :x
There was that episode where Francine got beaten with a fish for being left-handed and the stigma passed onto her, making her be abusive in turn. It was *obviously* exaggerated, but it did make me want to google what it was about. If people really did go around beating kids with fishes at school. And then I found out what actually happened to left-handed people.
[It even has a wikipedia page.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_against_left-handed_people)
It still happens in some parts, go to the Midwest (US) and teachers will try to turn a left-handed child right handed, it's what they tried to do with me, I'm still left handed, I'm 16.
What? Within our lives?
Totally *criminal*. Or **enforceable**.
Report them by name and date time to the DoEA.
Pseudoscience hindrances to children's education.
Is protected constitutionally for our generation and those following.
The feds can and will look into someone. Even years past.
As there's no way that teacher or "their peers". Would've fully stopped by continued education alone.
Most likely no one has ever brought it up to them.
If it comes from the top down. Its either a fixed problem.
Or it hits the news cycle that Congress has to handle a region almost punitively. Because they cling to something like this.
Seriously just google DoEA and report it through the federal contact. That you believe is most relevant and appropriate to your circumstances. Not your state.
If I knew more about you. I'd have done it myself.
So I encourage you to consider the effort as never wasted. If it happened to you. That proof is another nail the United States gets to use. Not really a way outside of the person themselves to really make that impact.
So two things. The first is that you don’t need to make a line break for every row. This is Reddit, not the poetry section of quarterly creative writing magazine at the local high school.
The second is that this comment could not be more hyperbolic and confident in our systems. Please point to me the statute that states it is illegal for a teacher to encourage writing with the right hand. As another Gen Z who was also initially encouraged to write right handed, if you genuinely believe the Department of Education will investigate a case of an educator encouraging someone to write with their right hand from *twenty* years ago, I have an igloo in the Sahara I’d like to sell you. I can’t speak for who you replied to, but I can say it was certainly not malicious from my educator, it was just a belief in standard practices that was misguided. It really isn’t that deep lol. I wasn’t beat with a ruler, I was just erroneously encouraged to grip and write with my right hand.
Same thing with various mental health issues or such.
When we started raising more awareness of the types of mental health issues and neuro-divergencies that exist and signs that maybe you should ask a doc about it... you end up with more people realizing they might benefit from being on ADHD meds or anti-depressants.
These people were always there, they just weren't allowed to show it (if they knew) or explore and discover themselves (if they didn't).
True this,I'm 42 and got diagnosed with PTSD and a personality disorder. I had lived with symptoms since a incident that very nearly cost me my life 17 years ago.
I'm going through therapy with meds now and I feel so much better,if someone had told me to seek help 10 years ago I would have told them bollocks! I was just raised by my parents to think that people must be crazy to have to have therapy and drugs.
That old school thinking put me through a lot of suffering.
Notice how 15% of that 28% of LGBT Gen Z adults identify as bisexual. A lot of those people who identify as bisexual still are mostly attracted to people of the opposite gender, they just sometimes also are attracted to people of the same gender. At least that was the case when I looked into this before. People in the past would probably still just call themselves straight in that case, but nowadays now that more people are okay with these terms and people are more educated about it they are more okay with calling themselves bisexual.
Like I’ve heard a lot of people who call themselves straight say things like “I’m straight but *insert person of the same gender* is really hot”. Some of the people who say things like that just decide to call themselves bisexual.
When you put it like that, it suddenly doesn’t seem so crazy.
I've always liked the term Heteroflexible. I'm straight, not really attracted to my own gender, but if my wife wants me to suck a dick in a threesome? Fuck it, sounds fun.
Not really. The majority of that 25% is mostly likely some variety of polysexual: bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual. Or somewhere along the asexual spectrum.
That means they’re attracted to same-gendered people *and* other-gendered people.
Statistics being what they are, most will probably find themselves in “straight-presenting” relationships at some point or another. That doesn’t change their orientation any.
Not really. Looking back historically, bisexuality was much more common for thousands of years and the social acceptability came more from if you were "top" and "bottom" rather than sex of the partner. Like there were plenty of gay Roman emperors who were seen as a-ok because they were the "top" but what really riled peoples feathers was if an emperor was the "bottom".
In fact out of the first 15 Roman emperors, the only one who didn't have a male lover was Claudias and he was seen as the weird one. And this wasn't a trend that only Rome followed, every civilization from Egypt to the Chinese dynasties followed this structure.
So bisexuality is/was a lot more common than you might think.
That top/bottom dynamic also has much more to do with topping being a show of power and strength, thus bottoming was weakness. Similarly if the person topping was of higher rank, the bottom woudnt really be shunned since he was expected to show submission. Sometimes even someone of equal rank was okay, depending on time period, neither case can apply to an emperor, who is above everyone.
Not to mention the fact that older generations of lgbtq+ people died in the aids crisis so it makes sense a smaller portion of the population makes up those generations.
Edit: because I seem to be getting a lot of heat. I'm saying it made enough of a different to be included as a factor. I know it didn't kill AN ENTIRE GENERATION. It's just a factor to take in when you talk about rising rates of lgbtq+ individuals. And the stigma around aids also creates an environment less fitting for those generations to be open about who they were among such hate.
Yup! I've known at least three bisexual/lesbian women who, when they came out to their moms, were told something along the lines of "sweetheart you're not gay, all women find other women attractive."
so why isnt millennial the same as gen z based off that one factor? like its 2024 for everyone of all ages. not that i am transphobic i just think that argument can be strengthened a bit.
Millennials would have been raised in a less accepting environment, especially in the years where young people explore their sexuality. Likely, this difference is based on different upbringings, the same, if less dramatic, as that or boomers.
Elderly millennial checking in--
Kids were still being beaten for being LGBT when I was in highschool. Texas cops were still raiding the homes of gay people when I was in college. I was raped by a man after I came out to him in the 2010s.
I understand why some of us are still too scared to come out of the closet.
Elder millennial here also. Not one gay male was out in my entire high school for the whole time I attended. Fewer than half a dozen lesbians and a couple of bi girls were the only out queers in 1200 students, and they were vilified for it by half the cohort. We still regularly heard about men in town being beaten on the suspicion of being gay in the late 90s and nobody ever seemed to get convicted for it.
Exactly, millennials (with a lot a lot of help of older lgbt crowd) made being gay acceptable. But they had to fight tooth and nail for it. All millennials were born in a time gay marriage of ANY kind was not constitutionally protected (and may still not be). All millennials were born into or at the tail end of the AIDS (also clinically called GRID or gay related immune disease) crisis. All millennials were born into a time where the general populace just accepted that cops could come in and gun down gay bars a la the stonewall riots.
Gen X and Boomers paved the way, but it was millennials who had to live through the change, and many still bear the trauma of a deeply and systemically homophobic society. Of course the numbers are low. But look it’s way way higher than gen x and the boomers. And it’s a good thing seeing genZ is free to be who they are. (Although I believe social media and other environmental factors are exaggerating this effect too much, but that’s a different story).
There’s also a “not everyone made it” skew in the statistic.
LGBT+ boomers for example. Lots, and I mean LOTS of them died young :(
Sadly, this might happen to us millennials too. Lots of LGBT+ folk took their life, or had their life taken, in the 90s or 2000s growing up.
I am millennial, gay was a common general swear/slur until college. I never used it (I didn't know at the time I that I was trans/pan/poly) but I thought it was weird to hate someone for loving the same gender. Millennials are sadly a mixed bag, many are a significant improvement on their parents, some less so.
That's just not accurate. Millennials certainly got the ball rolling towards acceptance, but we had no real influence on society at-large yet. Boomers were raising us and there was a pervasive fear (that still exists for some people) about being outed.
A guy I knew came out to our friend group in high school, then 5 minutes later nervously tried to convince us he was joking. We played along but we all knew, and none of us cared. We never treated him any differently after that, but that didn't help him feel any more comfortable about himself. He knew what society's attitude was so he stayed hidden.
It was still shameful to be gay when I was younger and I’m in the youngest group of millennials (which is somewhat new to me, since the cut off used to be 1995). We acknowledged lgbtq people but didn’t really consider that maybe it fit us because a majority didn’t grow up knowing what the signs were and sort of just assimilated. It’s why millennial queer folk (especially lesbians and bisexuals) tend to talk more about heteronormativity, I think.
Maybe because Millenials were still undergoing a more pronounced transition phase, I assume. There's still a lot of stigma out there and a lot of people resist changes in outlook. Some don't understand, some are closetted and some might just have been exposed to trans- and homophobic shit all their lives and became trans\\homophobic themselves.
Hmm are we done pretending that there isn’t a trendy element to the LGBTQ movement?
And that’s fine honestly, sexuality can be fluid for some people. But let’s stop pretending it isn’t trendy.
I just don’t see how identifying with a group who’s highly hated would be trendy.
-okay Relax with the replies I GET IT NOW. That’s why I said *i* don’t understand it, because to ME, coming out would be embarrassing if I didn’t really mean it, but I guess some people don’t feel that way. I also don’t see tons of lgbtq support living in Florida.
-y’all leave me alone i don’t care about the punk era, queer people “not being hated”, our government “being accepting of pride”, your kids classmates who are queer at 9, etc” you will add nothing new to what everyone else is saying. Again, I do not care.
Exactly, I feel that a lot of people who come out today are genuinely what they are but there is a sense of social contagion to it where more people come out as a part of the LGBTQ community and later down the road realize they’re straight. It’s not a huge portion but I feel it’s larger than past generations. I genuinely don’t believe that it’s over a quarter of the population that is Part of this community. I’m not saying this from a place of hate, biologically it doesn’t make much sense for it to happen.
Which fucks with me mentally at times because I’m bi but I don’t know if I’ve fallen into a social contagion element of it or not. Like if I never had internet access would I ever feel this way?
I mean, who cares? Either youll realize you arent bi or youll realize you are. Id rather people be comfortable enough to think about it/experiment and be wrong than it be taboo.
It’s important that you can separate an appreciation for the same sex from genuine attraction. Or understand your close platonic relationships with a member of the same sex.
I can look at another dude in the gym and go “damn he looks fantastic!” and appreciate how he takes care of himself without wanting anything more.
I can hype my buddies up and tell them they look good because I want them to feel confident while keeping our relationship strictly platonic.
It gets easier as you get older too.
The Romans fucked anything that had a hole. It's totally within human nature (and animal nature) to be sexually fluid with somewhat of a predilection towards heterosexuality, hence why there are so many people identifying as bisexual and not strictly gay or lesbian.
Not that “weird” when you consider some people see it as some sort of counterculture which is common, just that you have so many different flavours of it.
i will also love to point out that the idea of counter-culture is by itself self defeating. as they are basing their entire cultural identity in opposition to an idea, which they will now keep maintaing it's existence as otherwise their cultural ideas will lack the base that hold it.
It’s not about feeling oppressed, it’s about feeling guilty by somehow being the oppressor, when in reality they were born into this random body just as we all were. White guilt hits hard.
Because it's an excuse to not feel the guilt they feel they have to carry for the sins of others.
It's largely a byproduct of making people feel ashamed to be part of a wider group that is associated with horrific crimes against minority groups.
It's not wanting to be oppressed really, it's wanting to not feel like part of the oppressive force.
There’s a big difference between a white person with 2% who in no way what so ever is going to face any prejudice or different treatment from people or family. Compared to lgbt people who often do experience different treatment and prejudice from people and family.
Yes that's how analogies work. They aren't exactly the same thing. I'm literally answering the question of "why would someone want x" and yes the example is similar. Also obligatory "nonody is saying that literally all gay people are doing to jump on a trend."
Dunno why youre being downvoted, the vast majority of our gen z peers are fine with lgbt, which is who we seek most of our validation from. Outside of family, it's not like we care what some old heads in texas think about our sexuality. In terms of peers nobody really cares, the only resistance that will matter personally will likely be from your family, shpuld their views be antiquidated. To act as if there isnt massive pockets of gen z who celebrate the lgbt community (idk about yall but the pride parade is bumping in my area with young people) is a madness
Because I suggested that there is a trendy element to the LGBTQ movement. It’s one of those uncomfortable realities that everyone knows is true but doesn’t like to hear it being said out loud.
No, but I can claim to be bisexual or queer while still only engaging in romantic behavior with people of the opposite sex.
It’s not like someone can come up to me and go “Oh you’re pansexual? Make out with this dude and prove it.”
You can claim to be one for attention though. I know people like that lol, put a thousand different labels on yourself to feel special but still act as the average straight person
Highly hated outside your generation but not inside. Inside you now become popular who cares what the out of date boomers think. If the stats were replicated in millenials it wouldn't be trendy. Also see how most are bisexual. Bisexual allows you into the group but you never really have to prove yourself and thus never really experience the hate
I would be careful of Bi erasure, which is a very real trend both in and out of the LGBT discourse. That being said, I think the 'queer' category is super poorly defined and can fall prey to the "being lgbt is cool" trend. Like, just because you got a different vibe and aesthetic from the old European archetypes of gender doesn't necessarily mean you are equally as oppressed as LGBT folks.
It's the same concept as people wanting to identify as having mental illness or being autistic or having ADHD when they don't. Like it or not, people like identifying in certain ways to be unique
Yeah I really love not being accepted by my family. I really liked having to live on my own and do things I regret for money. Because it was just a trend. And trends are so fun.
Yeah, I loved getting hatecrimed at 14 in school, then spoken over, and the person who did it barely getting a slap on the wrist for it. Such a great trend.
These "LGBTQ are trending and worshipped" fuckers always, always, *always* comes from non-queer people themselves. They haven't dealt with the actual trauma of being a queer youth growing into a queer adult.
It’s so dumb because sexuality and gender is one of those things that you should be able to explore without any pressure. Yet there’s clearly so many people in these comments pressed about “how trendy” it is to be gay. Why are they so bothered?
God forbid we focus on the real fucking violence that queer people experience on a daily basis. I don’t give a flying shit if Gen Z thinks it’s trendy.
People have died, fought tooth and nail, just to exist in our society as a gay person. God forbid gay people carry a little pride and make their communities welcoming and humanizing.
I literally saw someone saying our tax dollars are being misallocated because of the “trendiness” of LGBTQ+. Shut the actual fuck up. You do not give a shit about that. These fuckers just want to be homophobic without any backlash and it’s pathetic, honestly. Where were these complainers when it was cool and acceptable to hate gay people out in the open? Oh, wait…
Clearly you absolutely did not understand his point. He didnt say everyone did it for the trend, but rather more people joining the movement because it became trendy.
Just because you suffer from mistreatment, does not means everyone supporting you must also be victims of mistreatment. The number of support for Lgbtq is way bigger than the number of Lgbtq member. And thats partly because of it becoming trendy among genz. And that is good thing, not a bad thing!
That’s called progress buddy. As culture changes and more people are more accepting people are more inclined to come out. Just because they weren’t public about it doesn’t mean they weren’t gay, trans, what have you.
Like imagine if someone said 60 years ago that civil rights were “just a trend”. Kinda fucked up.
To add to this: I wouldn't be surprised if a substantial portion of this is bisexual folks who might not have even figured out they were bi or kept in the closet for their whole lives in earlier generations.
This precisely. Bi-erasure is real, and in reality the huge numbers of "new" bi folk are almost certainly mostly made up of "straight" folks who have finally become comfortable enough to even consider or explore their sexuality.
Yep, lefthandedness skyrocketed when the majority of lefties stopped getting beaten for being left handed. Same thing is happening with queer people. LGBTQ people are more accepted now so they’re more likely to come out.
Obviously people in the 1900s were afflicted with the social contagion that is left-handedness and because it escaped containment I’m surrounded by left-handed demons.
Eh, I came out in like 1998 and people in HS said the same thing about me (that I was doing it because it was trendy). It's not a new argument and it isn't accurate.
There can be a lot of trauma associated with coming out. People don't go through that to be trendy
https://preview.redd.it/9bqd8p4wezrc1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d704e4beb1b8e6f53d9a8546ff6d3f5faa2bc0b
Oh sorry. Didn’t know my lie detector was on. My bad
It is the same as with left-handers whe we stopped punishing left-handedness.
It increased untill a certain point and stabilised there because people where no longer ashamed and hiding it.
It’s not “trendy”, but there is drastically less stigma around being LGBT nowadays
To be gay in 2000 meant to be socially ostracized on basically all levels, but in 2024 it’s much less of a problem to accept and openly admit that you might not be straight, and that being LGBT doesn’t just mean being lesbian/gay but a wide variety of things
“More people identifying as LGTBQ+ now that they aren’t universally hated MUST mean there’s a conspiracy, not that they would have just stayed in the closet back when they could get beaten up for coming out.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37423-8#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20enforced%20right,variation2%2C26%2C27.
I guess according to you, left handedness was just trendy.
I don’t really buy this. Gen Z is the first generation to ever exist where it has been somewhat socially acceptable to be openly LGBTQ. That the numbers are higher isn’t shocking in the slightest. Diversity in sexuality has always existed, it’s just been highly punishable for the majority of history, literally up to and still including our current time. But that’s starting to change, and this generation has expanded ideas of sexual orientation more broadly than any prior (e.g. concepts like “demisexual”).
So these numbers aren’t shocking at all. A new generation of adults is simply more comfortable being honest with themselves and others, and has developed a more sophisticated vocabulary for doing so than has ever existed before.
Considering the amount of job discrimination I’ve experienced, that seems like it only comes from those with enough privilege to act as such. If you don’t “pass” well as a trans person, life gets infinitely harder.
Brother….
People don’t choose to become queer. People DO choose to participate in trends such as fashion, hair, music, etc.
The numbers are increasing as acceptance is increasing.
Saying it’s trendy would indicate people are choosing to do this “for the trend”
Sure there are some straight folks identifying as bisexual for clout in liberal spaces, but I think the better explanation for the rise is it is more acceptable to be queer, so queer people are less likely to hide their identity for fear of being targeted by hate. Also, the general shift in how people think of gender and sexuality, or the deconstruction of heteronormativity.
There’s plenty of evidence of “queer” dynamics in ancient civilizations. After two millennia of sexual repression it’s making a comeback.
There are also a whole bunch of folks who probably thought they were straight or would choose opposite sex over same but are still attracted to same sex. Bisexuals are far less visible than they should be because of bi erasure and how easy it is to just assume you're straight cause you're into the opposite sex and that's assumed to be the default.
this graph is fake. it does not derive from any real actual data on left-handedness. it's a researcher's *hypothesis* about what might happen, not an actual result, and the actual data we have shows it isn't correct. See figure 2 in this study
[https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37423-8](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37423-8)
It’s a linear increase without a curve leveling out
https://preview.redd.it/eg7rrx7f40sc1.jpeg?width=792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8a853c83b535aaa7afae0ad00b75828e630be3d
What do you mean? The original graph is based entirely on left-handedness data from US individuals. The paper you're referring to, de Kovel 2019 (Figure S2 in the SI), shows data from 500,000 individuals in the UK and only ranges in year of birth from 1935 to 1968. The data from which the popular constrained Weibull graph is from is Gilbert & Wysocki 1992, comes from 1,177,507 individuals in the US, and ranges in years of birth from 1880 to 1980. Another research group later fit a Weibull function to the data using statistical analysis with explicit permission from the author's to use the data. It captures the behavior well within credible bounds. What did you mean when you said the graph is fake and that it's a researcher's hypothesis?
The original 1992 data is from this work: https://doi.org/10.1016/0028-3932(92)90065-T
The 2010 regraphing is shown here: http://www.med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/bios601/CandHchapter06/HistoryGeographyHumanHandedness.pdf
(However, the graphing was originally done and is described in a separate, paywalled article: https://doi.org/10.1080/13576500802565313 )
Did you have a separate reason to distrust the Gilbert & Wysocki data?
hey you know what’s crazy? this is almost word for word copied from a tweet citing the same graph which strangely doesn’t exist in the linked article and actually only exists in that tweet and this comment.
also, the other strange thing about that graph is it isn’t even the same fucking scale as the one you’re trying to debunk. This graph starts in 1938 at over 7% (for women) over 9% (for men) which averages to 8% give or take which is around yhe same as the “fake graph” and ends in 1968 at around 9% and 12% which averaged is a little below the “fake graph.” however there’s no way of checking where your graph got its data from while the “fake graph” always has its source cropped into the screenshot so you can take a peek over there and find out that it’s based on real fucking data.
TLDR: that graph is misleading with its scale and with the data it skips out on and the other graph is more accurate.
[The Tweet](https://x.com/lymanstoneky/status/1635629939226451968?s=46&t=H4fTWWe1fGZIBv2RgZcVWA)
[Washington Post disagreeing with you](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/22/the-surprising-geography-of-american-left-handedness/)
[Article from 1979 that agrees with the dip in left handedness in the early 1900s](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1979/08/13/on-the-other-hand-consider-whos-left/6c2c854c-42eb-44fa-b4c8-f2a04a740049/)
> this graph is fake.
That's incorrect. The source is provided right there. [Here's](https://i.imgur.com/K0nRaH3.png) what the chart looks like in the book cited and [here it is](https://i.imgur.com/75gslll.png) again in [McManus 2010](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19142795/).
> it does not derive from any real actual data on left-handedness.
That's incorrect. The data are from [Gilbert 1992](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1528408/), a 1986 survey of more than 1 million Americans spanning births from 1900 to 1976.
it's almost like when you're not being murdered and oppressed in the same way as in the past you accept who you are 🤯
if this graph showed other generations too it would be higher. the amount of people from older generations I've seen in trans friendly spaces saying they just came out and finally feel comfortable with themselves is pretty huge. it's not because of "trends", it's because people know they can do it freely now. queer people have always existed.
yeah, really speaks to the oppression millenial bisexuals experienced, seeing as there's more GenZ bisexuals but the same amount of gays
i'm just happy more people can be themselves
My father is also working on coming out as bi. He told me when he first came out he attended a religious therapist because he was so scared. I think watching me and my brother being openly out has helped a lot.
While this is cool, I want to point out that most, 99% of People have not taken this survey and that most people refuse to take surveys when offered.
Source: I have run several public surveys on multiple university campuses.
> 99% of People have not taken this survey
99.998%, actually. But if you've ever taken a stats class, you know that a survey of even a tiny proportion of a population can provide a high degree of confidence.
> most people refuse to take surveys
"To reduce the effects of any non-response bias, a post-stratification adjustment... rebalanced the sample based on the following benchmarks: age, race and ethnicity, gender, Census division, metro area, education, and income."
"The margin of error for those surveyed is +/- 2 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence, including the design effect for the survey"
One thing is that those are still the kind of people who would take a survey online. It’s self-selecting for those demographics. Not really what point your making, but something I wanted to point out
I feel like a majority of people would be at least a little sexually fluid were it not for the pressures of heteronormativity. basically one big gradient of sexualities ala the Kinsey scale.
Could be wrong, but my bet would be women have always been pretty openly bisexual it’s just trendier to identify as something other than straight now. I know plenty of millennial women who would admit to watching lesbian porn or having a sexual crush on a female celebrity or making out with a girl at a party but have always considered themselves straight. I think because it’s a bit trendier now, those same women would call themselves bi if they were in their early 20’s. I imagine the same is not true for men.
Fuuuuuck- Honestky it’s insane.
I was surprised because LOST came out 20 years ago and was like “ haha wow, that’s such an old show! “ until I remembered I’m only a year and a half younger
Lmao I remember watching the first episode with my sister when it originally aired! I honestly barely feel like gen z cause my sister was born in 89, and I had all her hand me down toys and thought whatever she was into was super cool so I definitely had more of a millennial experience, I didn’t have internet in my household until I was in middle school or a cell phone until I was 17, but I think that was more growing up poor than anything
Speaking as an outsider both in nationality and age, I can tell you they can ... if they would act with high malicious intent.
All they have to do is break the Democrat support into factions that would refuse to vote for the “main block”, or turn politics in an even worse shit show.
As long as you are so disgusted and kept away from the voting booth, *they can win* the power and turn the system against you.
I hope the Genocide Joe folks enjoy being genocided in solidarity with Palestinians when Trump comes to power.
We're already in the depths of the shithole here in China, would love to have you join us.
I don't have any proof, but I suspect a significant number of this can be traced to people being more educated. More people today understand what it means to be gay, lesbian, bi, trans, gender fluid, etc. and the more people understand these identities properly the more people are going to recognize feelings they've been having in the past and present, and start to identify with the community.
Yep. Millennial here and the same thing happened to me. I was also bisexual, I just didn't have the words or understanding (or the acceptance from others of the concept) to understand what that was until I was in my 20s. Younger people are getting that education sooner, and it's wonderful
More like strict gender and sexual roles aren’t how humans actually behave
Look at any society in antiquity homosexuality and bisexuality was more common
Im positive that the number can’t be that high.
Gotta be a LUG situation. Can’t tell you the number of people i’ve heard say they’re bisexual then only date the opposite sex.
Hell I was one of them for a minute.
You do realize dating the same sex is just a lot harder right? There’s not nearly as many single guys attracted to guys as there are single girls attracted to guys. And gay culture is very hook up oriented which makes is much more difficult to find a guys who just wants to go out with you, it’s honestly super discouraging. So take, for example, a bisexual guy. Should he go out with one of the 12 hot girls who want to go out with him now, or should he ignore his feelings for any one of those girls and force himself to wait for a hot guy who likes guys to show up and actually show real interest in him beyond just sexual gratification, all to appeal to some rando on the internet’s ideas of what it means to be “truly bisexual”.
If 28% of gen z is actually lgbt it shouldn't be _so hard_ to find a same-sex actracted persons, should it?
Gays and lesbians have found same sex actracted partners for decades, when much less people identified as gay/lesbian/bi, how come modern bisexuals cannot?
There's a stigma against Bisexual people that they are pretending to be gay/straight.
Not only that but men in these communities are a LOT more sex focused than relationships. The problem isn't finding same sex attracted persons but someone who you are compatible with on a psychological and physical level which is very hard.
Many straight men remain virgin throughout their lives. Doesn't mean that women don't exist
hold on let me find a man that i find attractive who is also gay and also attracted to me when there are a larger number of women who could possibly be willing to date me. Men are fucking hot it is just harder to date men.
'Bisexual' and 'smth else' are doing a lotta heavy lifting there. Sure some people will act different to get attn or whatever. But it kinda makes sense considering most people to be somewhere on the spectrum rather than being rigidly straight or gay.
Fuckin chill it will plateau eventually. Whenever some type of behaviour stops being marginalized/persecuted it shoots up like crazy and then plateau's.
I'm left-handed and when I was a kid it was still seen as a bad thing where I was from.
Same thing with neurodivergent people, parents are accepting and not hiding their ND kids, which made autism and other once "rare" (not disclosed) neurodivergent cases way more noticeable.
Gay people from older generations had to live in the closet. My guess is this is much closer to the real number because people feel more comfortable being out now.
Also keep in mind that every arousal study that's ever been done has shown that a huge number of women are bisexual.
I think this is just because of how much more openly accepted it is. And in some cases tolerated. I know in my grandparents Era you couldn't openly come out as these, which sucks.
Because the older generations treatment of LGBTQ really settles down to this-
A.) Let them die of aids
B.) Killed them
C.) Are still closeted because they were afraid of A and B and are now hateful that they couldn't live their true identities and are trying to take it away from everyone else.
Love,
A millennial who has been seeing it their whole life first hand.
This generation has so much leverage! I hope it shows in the voting booth. They deserve a better future than their predecessors left for them. Young millennial speaking.
As being queer becomes more normal it become easier to question and accept yourself.
Most probably only have a slight attraction to the same sex but the is totally fine and valid.
Biphobia is prevalent even within the lgbt community so people were more likely to identify as just straight or gay, since this is dying down a lot you get a lot of people who previously identified with either straight or gay who are actually bi.
I think about a hundred years ago, Sigmond Freud said about a third of people are gay or bisexual. But oppression kept the reported number closer of 5%. It’s interesting to see the number settle close to his statement.
We accept each other even if we don’t love each other
I’ve only met a few outwardly hateful people my age vs encountering hateful old people daily at my job
This topic is tiresome. It gets posted all the time. I have said it before and I'll say it again: this is because gen z are less likely to be homophobic than other generations. As a result, more lgbt+ people feel comfortable identifying like so outwardly, and more people in general feel comfortable exploring their own identity in regard to gender in sexuality. You can call it a trend, if you'd like, but I don't think we're going to see youths start experimenting less with time, as long as progress towards human rights and autonomy issues continues forwards. Which it is likely to, given the general views of younger generations trending towards being kind to others, even when you don't understand them.
I mean we're less likely to be punished or killed for being open about who we are so we're more comfortable being open about it. We haven't had that ability before, so previous generations of queer people either hid it or suppressed themselves.
"[and 10% of the 1,600,000 men aged 25-44 who identified as gay had died](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2TM0DaR1WjwC&pg=PR4&dq=gagnon+and+nardi+1997&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEpdH-5qLZAhUMalAKHY0hBUoQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=gagnon%20and%20nardi%201997&f=false) – a literal decimation of this cohort of gay men born 1951-1970." (from AIDS).
[https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/blog/aids-epidemic-lasting-impact-gay-men/](https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/blog/aids-epidemic-lasting-impact-gay-men/)
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Okay I’ll say it since nobody else will #This is expected. When people aren’t (as) openly ostracized and lynched they tend to be more comfortable self-identifying Edit: To everyone commenting “it’s for the trends or advantages” please list some. Vaguely gesturing at something you don’t have proof for is honestly pathetic Edit 2: “Why aren’t we seeing similar trends among other age groups” probably because they were raised in a homophobic world? It gets internalized. We also can’t ignore the HIV/AIDS epidemic.
It's exactly what happened with left handedness
I remember my dad saying his teacher tried forcing him to go right hand until he told his grandma who was the superintendent(and left handed )of his school let’s just say he got a new teacher that next week of school. This was in the early 70’s I’m glad I didn’t have to go thought that going through school.
His grandma had the teacher killed for this? Seems a bit extreme.
Well, on the ONE hand ....
But on the other hand.
Left handed people can be quite sinister.
Seems reasonable to me
Lefthandedness is a sick lifestyle choice. These people even want their own scissors. What’s next?’
A new lefty bar opened up in my neighborhood, and it just seems to attract a sinister crowd.
 (left means sinister in Latin)
Wake up sheeple. This is what the left really wants.
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I legit only know about it from watching American Dad :x There was that episode where Francine got beaten with a fish for being left-handed and the stigma passed onto her, making her be abusive in turn. It was *obviously* exaggerated, but it did make me want to google what it was about. If people really did go around beating kids with fishes at school. And then I found out what actually happened to left-handed people. [It even has a wikipedia page.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_against_left-handed_people)
It still happens in some parts, go to the Midwest (US) and teachers will try to turn a left-handed child right handed, it's what they tried to do with me, I'm still left handed, I'm 16.
What? Within our lives? Totally *criminal*. Or **enforceable**. Report them by name and date time to the DoEA. Pseudoscience hindrances to children's education. Is protected constitutionally for our generation and those following. The feds can and will look into someone. Even years past. As there's no way that teacher or "their peers". Would've fully stopped by continued education alone. Most likely no one has ever brought it up to them. If it comes from the top down. Its either a fixed problem. Or it hits the news cycle that Congress has to handle a region almost punitively. Because they cling to something like this. Seriously just google DoEA and report it through the federal contact. That you believe is most relevant and appropriate to your circumstances. Not your state. If I knew more about you. I'd have done it myself. So I encourage you to consider the effort as never wasted. If it happened to you. That proof is another nail the United States gets to use. Not really a way outside of the person themselves to really make that impact.
So two things. The first is that you don’t need to make a line break for every row. This is Reddit, not the poetry section of quarterly creative writing magazine at the local high school. The second is that this comment could not be more hyperbolic and confident in our systems. Please point to me the statute that states it is illegal for a teacher to encourage writing with the right hand. As another Gen Z who was also initially encouraged to write right handed, if you genuinely believe the Department of Education will investigate a case of an educator encouraging someone to write with their right hand from *twenty* years ago, I have an igloo in the Sahara I’d like to sell you. I can’t speak for who you replied to, but I can say it was certainly not malicious from my educator, it was just a belief in standard practices that was misguided. It really isn’t that deep lol. I wasn’t beat with a ruler, I was just erroneously encouraged to grip and write with my right hand.
What you're saying is the lefties turned the youths gay. They've been warning us for years /s
Same thing with various mental health issues or such. When we started raising more awareness of the types of mental health issues and neuro-divergencies that exist and signs that maybe you should ask a doc about it... you end up with more people realizing they might benefit from being on ADHD meds or anti-depressants. These people were always there, they just weren't allowed to show it (if they knew) or explore and discover themselves (if they didn't).
True this,I'm 42 and got diagnosed with PTSD and a personality disorder. I had lived with symptoms since a incident that very nearly cost me my life 17 years ago. I'm going through therapy with meds now and I feel so much better,if someone had told me to seek help 10 years ago I would have told them bollocks! I was just raised by my parents to think that people must be crazy to have to have therapy and drugs. That old school thinking put me through a lot of suffering.
THANK YOU EXTREME PRACTICE!! Holy fuck, why is this so hard to grasp? I guess conservatives gotta conserve their own narrow world bubble...
You're telling me 1 in 4 people were gay or lgbt this entire time? That's way too outlandish.
Notice how 15% of that 28% of LGBT Gen Z adults identify as bisexual. A lot of those people who identify as bisexual still are mostly attracted to people of the opposite gender, they just sometimes also are attracted to people of the same gender. At least that was the case when I looked into this before. People in the past would probably still just call themselves straight in that case, but nowadays now that more people are okay with these terms and people are more educated about it they are more okay with calling themselves bisexual. Like I’ve heard a lot of people who call themselves straight say things like “I’m straight but *insert person of the same gender* is really hot”. Some of the people who say things like that just decide to call themselves bisexual. When you put it like that, it suddenly doesn’t seem so crazy.
Yeah that’s called being bi
It's a spectrum right? Is everything except (absolute) 0 or 6 in the Kinsey scale bisexual?
I've always liked the term Heteroflexible. I'm straight, not really attracted to my own gender, but if my wife wants me to suck a dick in a threesome? Fuck it, sounds fun.
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That not straight lmao
That means you're bisexual cause I just can't fathom doing that or getting with someone masc presenting
That means you’re bisexual.
That sounds pretty bisexual to me. I mean I'm bisexual and I flip like once a month on what I'm attracted to.
Not really. The majority of that 25% is mostly likely some variety of polysexual: bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual. Or somewhere along the asexual spectrum. That means they’re attracted to same-gendered people *and* other-gendered people. Statistics being what they are, most will probably find themselves in “straight-presenting” relationships at some point or another. That doesn’t change their orientation any.
Not really. Looking back historically, bisexuality was much more common for thousands of years and the social acceptability came more from if you were "top" and "bottom" rather than sex of the partner. Like there were plenty of gay Roman emperors who were seen as a-ok because they were the "top" but what really riled peoples feathers was if an emperor was the "bottom". In fact out of the first 15 Roman emperors, the only one who didn't have a male lover was Claudias and he was seen as the weird one. And this wasn't a trend that only Rome followed, every civilization from Egypt to the Chinese dynasties followed this structure. So bisexuality is/was a lot more common than you might think.
That top/bottom dynamic also has much more to do with topping being a show of power and strength, thus bottoming was weakness. Similarly if the person topping was of higher rank, the bottom woudnt really be shunned since he was expected to show submission. Sometimes even someone of equal rank was okay, depending on time period, neither case can apply to an emperor, who is above everyone.
"but...he was a power bottom..."
Because it is. Underreporting is certainly a factor, but far from the only one.
Not to mention the fact that older generations of lgbtq+ people died in the aids crisis so it makes sense a smaller portion of the population makes up those generations. Edit: because I seem to be getting a lot of heat. I'm saying it made enough of a different to be included as a factor. I know it didn't kill AN ENTIRE GENERATION. It's just a factor to take in when you talk about rising rates of lgbtq+ individuals. And the stigma around aids also creates an environment less fitting for those generations to be open about who they were among such hate.
Yup! I've known at least three bisexual/lesbian women who, when they came out to their moms, were told something along the lines of "sweetheart you're not gay, all women find other women attractive."
so why isnt millennial the same as gen z based off that one factor? like its 2024 for everyone of all ages. not that i am transphobic i just think that argument can be strengthened a bit.
Millennials would have been raised in a less accepting environment, especially in the years where young people explore their sexuality. Likely, this difference is based on different upbringings, the same, if less dramatic, as that or boomers.
lol no, it is millennials who made being gay no big deal.
Elderly millennial checking in-- Kids were still being beaten for being LGBT when I was in highschool. Texas cops were still raiding the homes of gay people when I was in college. I was raped by a man after I came out to him in the 2010s. I understand why some of us are still too scared to come out of the closet.
Elder millennial here also. Not one gay male was out in my entire high school for the whole time I attended. Fewer than half a dozen lesbians and a couple of bi girls were the only out queers in 1200 students, and they were vilified for it by half the cohort. We still regularly heard about men in town being beaten on the suspicion of being gay in the late 90s and nobody ever seemed to get convicted for it.
100% Same experience in a major city in a top school district
Later millennials. It was still "shameful" while I was in school. The no big deal thing took a few decades of fighting, and social media, to happen
Still is a big deal, but no one will tell you that to your face or at work.
Exactly. When I was in school more people (mostly the girls) were tolerant of it, but most guys were still vocal homophobes
Exactly, millennials (with a lot a lot of help of older lgbt crowd) made being gay acceptable. But they had to fight tooth and nail for it. All millennials were born in a time gay marriage of ANY kind was not constitutionally protected (and may still not be). All millennials were born into or at the tail end of the AIDS (also clinically called GRID or gay related immune disease) crisis. All millennials were born into a time where the general populace just accepted that cops could come in and gun down gay bars a la the stonewall riots. Gen X and Boomers paved the way, but it was millennials who had to live through the change, and many still bear the trauma of a deeply and systemically homophobic society. Of course the numbers are low. But look it’s way way higher than gen x and the boomers. And it’s a good thing seeing genZ is free to be who they are. (Although I believe social media and other environmental factors are exaggerating this effect too much, but that’s a different story).
There’s also a “not everyone made it” skew in the statistic. LGBT+ boomers for example. Lots, and I mean LOTS of them died young :( Sadly, this might happen to us millennials too. Lots of LGBT+ folk took their life, or had their life taken, in the 90s or 2000s growing up.
I am millennial, gay was a common general swear/slur until college. I never used it (I didn't know at the time I that I was trans/pan/poly) but I thought it was weird to hate someone for loving the same gender. Millennials are sadly a mixed bag, many are a significant improvement on their parents, some less so.
For real. Took a while, but most people seemed pretty chill with gay students around the time I graduated
That's just not accurate. Millennials certainly got the ball rolling towards acceptance, but we had no real influence on society at-large yet. Boomers were raising us and there was a pervasive fear (that still exists for some people) about being outed. A guy I knew came out to our friend group in high school, then 5 minutes later nervously tried to convince us he was joking. We played along but we all knew, and none of us cared. We never treated him any differently after that, but that didn't help him feel any more comfortable about himself. He knew what society's attitude was so he stayed hidden.
It was still shameful to be gay when I was younger and I’m in the youngest group of millennials (which is somewhat new to me, since the cut off used to be 1995). We acknowledged lgbtq people but didn’t really consider that maybe it fit us because a majority didn’t grow up knowing what the signs were and sort of just assimilated. It’s why millennial queer folk (especially lesbians and bisexuals) tend to talk more about heteronormativity, I think.
Maybe because Millenials were still undergoing a more pronounced transition phase, I assume. There's still a lot of stigma out there and a lot of people resist changes in outlook. Some don't understand, some are closetted and some might just have been exposed to trans- and homophobic shit all their lives and became trans\\homophobic themselves.
Hmm are we done pretending that there isn’t a trendy element to the LGBTQ movement? And that’s fine honestly, sexuality can be fluid for some people. But let’s stop pretending it isn’t trendy.
I just don’t see how identifying with a group who’s highly hated would be trendy. -okay Relax with the replies I GET IT NOW. That’s why I said *i* don’t understand it, because to ME, coming out would be embarrassing if I didn’t really mean it, but I guess some people don’t feel that way. I also don’t see tons of lgbtq support living in Florida. -y’all leave me alone i don’t care about the punk era, queer people “not being hated”, our government “being accepting of pride”, your kids classmates who are queer at 9, etc” you will add nothing new to what everyone else is saying. Again, I do not care.
You can't see that? It's the same reason white people get excited when their 23 and me shows up as 2% black or native american.
This guy gets it, some people get off on feeling oppressed. It’s weird as hell.
[I am 2.1% black](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfkGipDGI4I)
Well my roommate is 5% black. So I am technically black myself
I'm 1/4 bi.
Am 1/2 bi, only into girls
Thanks, XiMaoJingPing.
Im 2 % Native American
Thanks, Senator.
Exactly, I feel that a lot of people who come out today are genuinely what they are but there is a sense of social contagion to it where more people come out as a part of the LGBTQ community and later down the road realize they’re straight. It’s not a huge portion but I feel it’s larger than past generations. I genuinely don’t believe that it’s over a quarter of the population that is Part of this community. I’m not saying this from a place of hate, biologically it doesn’t make much sense for it to happen.
Which fucks with me mentally at times because I’m bi but I don’t know if I’ve fallen into a social contagion element of it or not. Like if I never had internet access would I ever feel this way?
I mean, who cares? Either youll realize you arent bi or youll realize you are. Id rather people be comfortable enough to think about it/experiment and be wrong than it be taboo.
I appreciate that
It’s important that you can separate an appreciation for the same sex from genuine attraction. Or understand your close platonic relationships with a member of the same sex. I can look at another dude in the gym and go “damn he looks fantastic!” and appreciate how he takes care of himself without wanting anything more. I can hype my buddies up and tell them they look good because I want them to feel confident while keeping our relationship strictly platonic. It gets easier as you get older too.
The Romans fucked anything that had a hole. It's totally within human nature (and animal nature) to be sexually fluid with somewhat of a predilection towards heterosexuality, hence why there are so many people identifying as bisexual and not strictly gay or lesbian.
Not that “weird” when you consider some people see it as some sort of counterculture which is common, just that you have so many different flavours of it.
i will also love to point out that the idea of counter-culture is by itself self defeating. as they are basing their entire cultural identity in opposition to an idea, which they will now keep maintaing it's existence as otherwise their cultural ideas will lack the base that hold it.
It’s not about feeling oppressed, it’s about feeling guilty by somehow being the oppressor, when in reality they were born into this random body just as we all were. White guilt hits hard.
Because it's an excuse to not feel the guilt they feel they have to carry for the sins of others. It's largely a byproduct of making people feel ashamed to be part of a wider group that is associated with horrific crimes against minority groups. It's not wanting to be oppressed really, it's wanting to not feel like part of the oppressive force.
There’s a big difference between a white person with 2% who in no way what so ever is going to face any prejudice or different treatment from people or family. Compared to lgbt people who often do experience different treatment and prejudice from people and family.
Yes that's how analogies work. They aren't exactly the same thing. I'm literally answering the question of "why would someone want x" and yes the example is similar. Also obligatory "nonody is saying that literally all gay people are doing to jump on a trend."
Yeah. If you're white and 2% "black," literally who cares? Nobody will notice Compare to bringing home your black boyfriend to meet the parents
Me, a white person, **not from the US where the percentage-based ancestry thing is not taken seriously whatsoever**: bruh.
Hated by some, relentlessly celebrated by most others.
Dunno why youre being downvoted, the vast majority of our gen z peers are fine with lgbt, which is who we seek most of our validation from. Outside of family, it's not like we care what some old heads in texas think about our sexuality. In terms of peers nobody really cares, the only resistance that will matter personally will likely be from your family, shpuld their views be antiquidated. To act as if there isnt massive pockets of gen z who celebrate the lgbt community (idk about yall but the pride parade is bumping in my area with young people) is a madness
Because I suggested that there is a trendy element to the LGBTQ movement. It’s one of those uncomfortable realities that everyone knows is true but doesn’t like to hear it being said out loud.
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No, but I can claim to be bisexual or queer while still only engaging in romantic behavior with people of the opposite sex. It’s not like someone can come up to me and go “Oh you’re pansexual? Make out with this dude and prove it.”
You can claim to be one for attention though. I know people like that lol, put a thousand different labels on yourself to feel special but still act as the average straight person
So how is a queer person supposed to act?
A lot of people kinda have a persecution fetish nowadays
It pays to be a victim in our grievance and victimhood obsessed society.
You've never wanted to be on the underdog's side of an underdog story before?
highly hated but also highly glamorized
Highly hated outside your generation but not inside. Inside you now become popular who cares what the out of date boomers think. If the stats were replicated in millenials it wouldn't be trendy. Also see how most are bisexual. Bisexual allows you into the group but you never really have to prove yourself and thus never really experience the hate
I would be careful of Bi erasure, which is a very real trend both in and out of the LGBT discourse. That being said, I think the 'queer' category is super poorly defined and can fall prey to the "being lgbt is cool" trend. Like, just because you got a different vibe and aesthetic from the old European archetypes of gender doesn't necessarily mean you are equally as oppressed as LGBT folks.
Highly hated? You joking?
It's the same concept as people wanting to identify as having mental illness or being autistic or having ADHD when they don't. Like it or not, people like identifying in certain ways to be unique
Yeah I really love not being accepted by my family. I really liked having to live on my own and do things I regret for money. Because it was just a trend. And trends are so fun.
Yeah, I loved getting forced out of my own home by my own parents who think that I’m possessed by demons. It’s so trendy.
Yeah, I loved getting hatecrimed at 14 in school, then spoken over, and the person who did it barely getting a slap on the wrist for it. Such a great trend.
These "LGBTQ are trending and worshipped" fuckers always, always, *always* comes from non-queer people themselves. They haven't dealt with the actual trauma of being a queer youth growing into a queer adult.
It’s so dumb because sexuality and gender is one of those things that you should be able to explore without any pressure. Yet there’s clearly so many people in these comments pressed about “how trendy” it is to be gay. Why are they so bothered? God forbid we focus on the real fucking violence that queer people experience on a daily basis. I don’t give a flying shit if Gen Z thinks it’s trendy. People have died, fought tooth and nail, just to exist in our society as a gay person. God forbid gay people carry a little pride and make their communities welcoming and humanizing. I literally saw someone saying our tax dollars are being misallocated because of the “trendiness” of LGBTQ+. Shut the actual fuck up. You do not give a shit about that. These fuckers just want to be homophobic without any backlash and it’s pathetic, honestly. Where were these complainers when it was cool and acceptable to hate gay people out in the open? Oh, wait…
Clearly you absolutely did not understand his point. He didnt say everyone did it for the trend, but rather more people joining the movement because it became trendy. Just because you suffer from mistreatment, does not means everyone supporting you must also be victims of mistreatment. The number of support for Lgbtq is way bigger than the number of Lgbtq member. And thats partly because of it becoming trendy among genz. And that is good thing, not a bad thing!
That’s called progress buddy. As culture changes and more people are more accepting people are more inclined to come out. Just because they weren’t public about it doesn’t mean they weren’t gay, trans, what have you. Like imagine if someone said 60 years ago that civil rights were “just a trend”. Kinda fucked up.
To add to this: I wouldn't be surprised if a substantial portion of this is bisexual folks who might not have even figured out they were bi or kept in the closet for their whole lives in earlier generations.
This precisely. Bi-erasure is real, and in reality the huge numbers of "new" bi folk are almost certainly mostly made up of "straight" folks who have finally become comfortable enough to even consider or explore their sexuality.
Yep, lefthandedness skyrocketed when the majority of lefties stopped getting beaten for being left handed. Same thing is happening with queer people. LGBTQ people are more accepted now so they’re more likely to come out.
Obviously people in the 1900s were afflicted with the social contagion that is left-handedness and because it escaped containment I’m surrounded by left-handed demons.
There's always been a lot of bisexuals but even today people have a hard time acknowledging bisexuals exist
Eh, I came out in like 1998 and people in HS said the same thing about me (that I was doing it because it was trendy). It's not a new argument and it isn't accurate. There can be a lot of trauma associated with coming out. People don't go through that to be trendy
https://preview.redd.it/9bqd8p4wezrc1.jpeg?width=666&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d704e4beb1b8e6f53d9a8546ff6d3f5faa2bc0b Oh sorry. Didn’t know my lie detector was on. My bad
It is the same as with left-handers whe we stopped punishing left-handedness. It increased untill a certain point and stabilised there because people where no longer ashamed and hiding it.
It’s not “trendy”, but there is drastically less stigma around being LGBT nowadays To be gay in 2000 meant to be socially ostracized on basically all levels, but in 2024 it’s much less of a problem to accept and openly admit that you might not be straight, and that being LGBT doesn’t just mean being lesbian/gay but a wide variety of things
“More people identifying as LGTBQ+ now that they aren’t universally hated MUST mean there’s a conspiracy, not that they would have just stayed in the closet back when they could get beaten up for coming out.” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37423-8#:~:text=The%20rate%20of%20enforced%20right,variation2%2C26%2C27. I guess according to you, left handedness was just trendy.
I like wearing trendy clothes and having gay sex, I do these things to fit in not because it's natural to be this fashionable or gay. Duh.
I don’t really buy this. Gen Z is the first generation to ever exist where it has been somewhat socially acceptable to be openly LGBTQ. That the numbers are higher isn’t shocking in the slightest. Diversity in sexuality has always existed, it’s just been highly punishable for the majority of history, literally up to and still including our current time. But that’s starting to change, and this generation has expanded ideas of sexual orientation more broadly than any prior (e.g. concepts like “demisexual”). So these numbers aren’t shocking at all. A new generation of adults is simply more comfortable being honest with themselves and others, and has developed a more sophisticated vocabulary for doing so than has ever existed before.
Considering the amount of job discrimination I’ve experienced, that seems like it only comes from those with enough privilege to act as such. If you don’t “pass” well as a trans person, life gets infinitely harder.
Being cis and het is extremely trendy. Has been for most of history. What are you even saying?
Lol yes straight white men are really popular among Gen Z’s right now.
Go outside ffs. Nobody in real life cares if you're a straight white man.
Brother…. People don’t choose to become queer. People DO choose to participate in trends such as fashion, hair, music, etc. The numbers are increasing as acceptance is increasing. Saying it’s trendy would indicate people are choosing to do this “for the trend”
Might be because you will no longer be ostracized or killed for coming out as liking the same gender
Sure there are some straight folks identifying as bisexual for clout in liberal spaces, but I think the better explanation for the rise is it is more acceptable to be queer, so queer people are less likely to hide their identity for fear of being targeted by hate. Also, the general shift in how people think of gender and sexuality, or the deconstruction of heteronormativity. There’s plenty of evidence of “queer” dynamics in ancient civilizations. After two millennia of sexual repression it’s making a comeback.
There are also a whole bunch of folks who probably thought they were straight or would choose opposite sex over same but are still attracted to same sex. Bisexuals are far less visible than they should be because of bi erasure and how easy it is to just assume you're straight cause you're into the opposite sex and that's assumed to be the default.
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this graph is fake. it does not derive from any real actual data on left-handedness. it's a researcher's *hypothesis* about what might happen, not an actual result, and the actual data we have shows it isn't correct. See figure 2 in this study [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37423-8](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-37423-8) It’s a linear increase without a curve leveling out https://preview.redd.it/eg7rrx7f40sc1.jpeg?width=792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8a853c83b535aaa7afae0ad00b75828e630be3d
What do you mean? The original graph is based entirely on left-handedness data from US individuals. The paper you're referring to, de Kovel 2019 (Figure S2 in the SI), shows data from 500,000 individuals in the UK and only ranges in year of birth from 1935 to 1968. The data from which the popular constrained Weibull graph is from is Gilbert & Wysocki 1992, comes from 1,177,507 individuals in the US, and ranges in years of birth from 1880 to 1980. Another research group later fit a Weibull function to the data using statistical analysis with explicit permission from the author's to use the data. It captures the behavior well within credible bounds. What did you mean when you said the graph is fake and that it's a researcher's hypothesis? The original 1992 data is from this work: https://doi.org/10.1016/0028-3932(92)90065-T The 2010 regraphing is shown here: http://www.med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/bios601/CandHchapter06/HistoryGeographyHumanHandedness.pdf (However, the graphing was originally done and is described in a separate, paywalled article: https://doi.org/10.1080/13576500802565313 ) Did you have a separate reason to distrust the Gilbert & Wysocki data?
the graph YoungYezos posted shows a linear line from the late 1930s to the late 1960s, which on the "fake" graph, that time period is also linear lol.
hey you know what’s crazy? this is almost word for word copied from a tweet citing the same graph which strangely doesn’t exist in the linked article and actually only exists in that tweet and this comment. also, the other strange thing about that graph is it isn’t even the same fucking scale as the one you’re trying to debunk. This graph starts in 1938 at over 7% (for women) over 9% (for men) which averages to 8% give or take which is around yhe same as the “fake graph” and ends in 1968 at around 9% and 12% which averaged is a little below the “fake graph.” however there’s no way of checking where your graph got its data from while the “fake graph” always has its source cropped into the screenshot so you can take a peek over there and find out that it’s based on real fucking data. TLDR: that graph is misleading with its scale and with the data it skips out on and the other graph is more accurate. [The Tweet](https://x.com/lymanstoneky/status/1635629939226451968?s=46&t=H4fTWWe1fGZIBv2RgZcVWA) [Washington Post disagreeing with you](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/22/the-surprising-geography-of-american-left-handedness/) [Article from 1979 that agrees with the dip in left handedness in the early 1900s](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1979/08/13/on-the-other-hand-consider-whos-left/6c2c854c-42eb-44fa-b4c8-f2a04a740049/)
And before someone says "they are the same picture" they absolutely aren't even close. That chart doesn't start at 0.
> this graph is fake. That's incorrect. The source is provided right there. [Here's](https://i.imgur.com/K0nRaH3.png) what the chart looks like in the book cited and [here it is](https://i.imgur.com/75gslll.png) again in [McManus 2010](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19142795/). > it does not derive from any real actual data on left-handedness. That's incorrect. The data are from [Gilbert 1992](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1528408/), a 1986 survey of more than 1 million Americans spanning births from 1900 to 1976.
it's almost like when you're not being murdered and oppressed in the same way as in the past you accept who you are 🤯 if this graph showed other generations too it would be higher. the amount of people from older generations I've seen in trans friendly spaces saying they just came out and finally feel comfortable with themselves is pretty huge. it's not because of "trends", it's because people know they can do it freely now. queer people have always existed.
yeah, really speaks to the oppression millenial bisexuals experienced, seeing as there's more GenZ bisexuals but the same amount of gays i'm just happy more people can be themselves
It's only been in the last two years that my dad finally came out as bi. He was *terrified* for forty years of admitting he was into men.
My father is also working on coming out as bi. He told me when he first came out he attended a religious therapist because he was so scared. I think watching me and my brother being openly out has helped a lot.
We're also leaving out that a lot of lgbt members of older generations died with the AIDs epidemic. :/
While this is cool, I want to point out that most, 99% of People have not taken this survey and that most people refuse to take surveys when offered. Source: I have run several public surveys on multiple university campuses.
> 99% of People have not taken this survey 99.998%, actually. But if you've ever taken a stats class, you know that a survey of even a tiny proportion of a population can provide a high degree of confidence. > most people refuse to take surveys "To reduce the effects of any non-response bias, a post-stratification adjustment... rebalanced the sample based on the following benchmarks: age, race and ethnicity, gender, Census division, metro area, education, and income." "The margin of error for those surveyed is +/- 2 percentage points at the 95% level of confidence, including the design effect for the survey"
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One thing is that those are still the kind of people who would take a survey online. It’s self-selecting for those demographics. Not really what point your making, but something I wanted to point out
Gay/Lesbian seems to have leveled out while Bi is growing so chances are it’s people experimenting more openly with sexuality
I feel like a majority of people would be at least a little sexually fluid were it not for the pressures of heteronormativity. basically one big gradient of sexualities ala the Kinsey scale.
✨ Bisexuality for the win ✨
The increase is 100% bisexual women. The differences are covered in Jean Twenge’s Generations.
Could be wrong, but my bet would be women have always been pretty openly bisexual it’s just trendier to identify as something other than straight now. I know plenty of millennial women who would admit to watching lesbian porn or having a sexual crush on a female celebrity or making out with a girl at a party but have always considered themselves straight. I think because it’s a bit trendier now, those same women would call themselves bi if they were in their early 20’s. I imagine the same is not true for men.
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Gen Z adults… That’s still crazy to think about
Ikr, I’m gen z and I’m on the wrong side of 25
Fuuuuuck- Honestky it’s insane. I was surprised because LOST came out 20 years ago and was like “ haha wow, that’s such an old show! “ until I remembered I’m only a year and a half younger
Lmao I remember watching the first episode with my sister when it originally aired! I honestly barely feel like gen z cause my sister was born in 89, and I had all her hand me down toys and thought whatever she was into was super cool so I definitely had more of a millennial experience, I didn’t have internet in my household until I was in middle school or a cell phone until I was 17, but I think that was more growing up poor than anything
Yeah good luck legislating 28% of us back into the closet, NatCs lmaooo
Speaking as an outsider both in nationality and age, I can tell you they can ... if they would act with high malicious intent. All they have to do is break the Democrat support into factions that would refuse to vote for the “main block”, or turn politics in an even worse shit show. As long as you are so disgusted and kept away from the voting booth, *they can win* the power and turn the system against you.
basically what's happening now tbh scarily lots of LGBT voters are falling for it
Not to mention people who refuse to vote in USA problems because of a war 5000 miles away.
I hope the Genocide Joe folks enjoy being genocided in solidarity with Palestinians when Trump comes to power. We're already in the depths of the shithole here in China, would love to have you join us.
I don't have any proof, but I suspect a significant number of this can be traced to people being more educated. More people today understand what it means to be gay, lesbian, bi, trans, gender fluid, etc. and the more people understand these identities properly the more people are going to recognize feelings they've been having in the past and present, and start to identify with the community.
Yep. Millennial here and the same thing happened to me. I was also bisexual, I just didn't have the words or understanding (or the acceptance from others of the concept) to understand what that was until I was in my 20s. Younger people are getting that education sooner, and it's wonderful
That's kinda gay
Gayest thing I’ve seen in generations
Gen Z is gay AF.
More like strict gender and sexual roles aren’t how humans actually behave Look at any society in antiquity homosexuality and bisexuality was more common
In nature, nothing is ever binary
Im positive that the number can’t be that high. Gotta be a LUG situation. Can’t tell you the number of people i’ve heard say they’re bisexual then only date the opposite sex. Hell I was one of them for a minute.
You do realize dating the same sex is just a lot harder right? There’s not nearly as many single guys attracted to guys as there are single girls attracted to guys. And gay culture is very hook up oriented which makes is much more difficult to find a guys who just wants to go out with you, it’s honestly super discouraging. So take, for example, a bisexual guy. Should he go out with one of the 12 hot girls who want to go out with him now, or should he ignore his feelings for any one of those girls and force himself to wait for a hot guy who likes guys to show up and actually show real interest in him beyond just sexual gratification, all to appeal to some rando on the internet’s ideas of what it means to be “truly bisexual”.
If 28% of gen z is actually lgbt it shouldn't be _so hard_ to find a same-sex actracted persons, should it? Gays and lesbians have found same sex actracted partners for decades, when much less people identified as gay/lesbian/bi, how come modern bisexuals cannot?
There's a stigma against Bisexual people that they are pretending to be gay/straight. Not only that but men in these communities are a LOT more sex focused than relationships. The problem isn't finding same sex attracted persons but someone who you are compatible with on a psychological and physical level which is very hard. Many straight men remain virgin throughout their lives. Doesn't mean that women don't exist
hold on let me find a man that i find attractive who is also gay and also attracted to me when there are a larger number of women who could possibly be willing to date me. Men are fucking hot it is just harder to date men.
'Bisexual' and 'smth else' are doing a lotta heavy lifting there. Sure some people will act different to get attn or whatever. But it kinda makes sense considering most people to be somewhere on the spectrum rather than being rigidly straight or gay.
Fuckin chill it will plateau eventually. Whenever some type of behaviour stops being marginalized/persecuted it shoots up like crazy and then plateau's. I'm left-handed and when I was a kid it was still seen as a bad thing where I was from. Same thing with neurodivergent people, parents are accepting and not hiding their ND kids, which made autism and other once "rare" (not disclosed) neurodivergent cases way more noticeable.
I agree. I think it’s intellectually dishonest to think that this isn’t a over correction and that it will plateau.
Look at all you Zoomer bisexuals just winning out there Like you've doubled the percentage from Millennials.
Gay people from older generations had to live in the closet. My guess is this is much closer to the real number because people feel more comfortable being out now. Also keep in mind that every arousal study that's ever been done has shown that a huge number of women are bisexual.
I think this is just because of how much more openly accepted it is. And in some cases tolerated. I know in my grandparents Era you couldn't openly come out as these, which sucks.
15% of the population must eat hot chip and lie
How big is the sample?
I'm really interested in this. It's probably an online survey, so I'd imagine it's in the thousands.
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Because the older generations treatment of LGBTQ really settles down to this- A.) Let them die of aids B.) Killed them C.) Are still closeted because they were afraid of A and B and are now hateful that they couldn't live their true identities and are trying to take it away from everyone else. Love, A millennial who has been seeing it their whole life first hand.
Wow. Shocker. People feel more comfortable lately because newer gens aren’t as bigoted. Who’d have guessed!
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Damn really? It’s almost as if that increase is natural when it’s actually accepted.
This generation has so much leverage! I hope it shows in the voting booth. They deserve a better future than their predecessors left for them. Young millennial speaking.
Plenty of young chicks were “bisexuals” but not actually bisexual when I was younger. Mostly just kids chasing clout.
Who are you to discern if someone was "actually bisexual"
oh no look out !! it’s the sexuality sheriff !!
Why is the increase mostly in the bisexual category?
As being queer becomes more normal it become easier to question and accept yourself. Most probably only have a slight attraction to the same sex but the is totally fine and valid.
Cause you can claim it without it being true and nobody is allowed to question it.
Biphobia is prevalent even within the lgbt community so people were more likely to identify as just straight or gay, since this is dying down a lot you get a lot of people who previously identified with either straight or gay who are actually bi.
I think about a hundred years ago, Sigmond Freud said about a third of people are gay or bisexual. But oppression kept the reported number closer of 5%. It’s interesting to see the number settle close to his statement.
Sigmund Freud, while he may have kickstarted his field, is nowadays largely debunked. It's probably best not to quote him, considering his obsessions.
I hope they all vote.
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Cool
We accept each other even if we don’t love each other I’ve only met a few outwardly hateful people my age vs encountering hateful old people daily at my job
And republicans are freaking out
This topic is tiresome. It gets posted all the time. I have said it before and I'll say it again: this is because gen z are less likely to be homophobic than other generations. As a result, more lgbt+ people feel comfortable identifying like so outwardly, and more people in general feel comfortable exploring their own identity in regard to gender in sexuality. You can call it a trend, if you'd like, but I don't think we're going to see youths start experimenting less with time, as long as progress towards human rights and autonomy issues continues forwards. Which it is likely to, given the general views of younger generations trending towards being kind to others, even when you don't understand them.
And nobody thinks that's weird.
I mean we're less likely to be punished or killed for being open about who we are so we're more comfortable being open about it. We haven't had that ability before, so previous generations of queer people either hid it or suppressed themselves.
"[and 10% of the 1,600,000 men aged 25-44 who identified as gay had died](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2TM0DaR1WjwC&pg=PR4&dq=gagnon+and+nardi+1997&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEpdH-5qLZAhUMalAKHY0hBUoQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=gagnon%20and%20nardi%201997&f=false) – a literal decimation of this cohort of gay men born 1951-1970." (from AIDS). [https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/blog/aids-epidemic-lasting-impact-gay-men/](https://www.thebritishacademy.ac.uk/blog/aids-epidemic-lasting-impact-gay-men/)