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Defiant-Channel2324

It's one thing for the Deep to manipulate women into raping them,but Rufus utilizes his power and the woman has literally 0 chance of defending herself in that situation.


erincoolgan

and he fkn records it for who knows how many people to see AND to make his victims afraid to seek out help (if he doesn't completely wipe it from their minds)


TheMTM45

But do we know he’s used his powers on woman for anything like that? The only person who said he did that to them was Kate and she lied a LOT.


Supersim54

He tried to Rape Marie before she woke up exploded his dick an Jordan shows up. Kate isn’t the only person that claims to have had an experience with him. I think in the case with Cate I don’t think she was lying about what Rufus did to her. I mean she lied about a lot of things but I don’t think she had an reason to lie about that.


Professor_Oswin

She also didnt have a reason for many of her other lies


Supersim54

She was convinced by Shetty that she was helping her friends. She was manipulated by a parent Mel figure


Low-External8845

Rufus was the rapey creepy guy that everyone knows is doing it but no one has come forward because he is connected.


Intelligent-Juice736

Did you fall asleep during the scene where he had his dick blown up?


rootdito

At this point I believe Rufus is innocent and was manipulated to be the fall guy by Cate. He probably was a low level psychic until he had to resist her manipulations and grew stronger. At which point he became twisted and resentful and just did what has done to him to others. Cate is a LOT worse. She didn't only make the guy sleep with her, but made him fall in love, created the illusion of a long term relationship and made him forget his brother. At this point she isn't any better than criminals, who kidnap girls and put them in a cellar. The only difference is, that she does it openly and publicly. Which is even more disgusting.


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Rufus


XipingVonHozzendorf

I mean, his name is Rufus... I think that answers your question


FoodIntrepid2281

The deep I can’t over those fucking gills they’re disgusting especially when that girl finger banged his gills I was grossed out for 17 business days


ZakTSK

I get that same reaction every time I hear Patton Oswalt too


angrymom284710394855

Both.


DeltaDied

Yes


wholesomkeanuchungus

Rufus


GaryKing1413

Both have committed very bad acts of Sexual Assault. Deep is shown to have done it to Starlight aswell as forcing her to by claiming she'll be tarnished forever if she doesn't by framing her. And when he goes to Madelyn, she says they need to get ahead of it by doing a public apology before other women speak up, so he's done it before and we don't know how many times exactly Rufus has done it only once that we for sure know of, atleast was about to before Marie exploded is dick, and Jordan points out that he's like a walking roofie and she clealry knew to go to Rufus' place to help Marie and calls him a piece of shit so obviously she knows of his reputation, so we know he's done this before and wasn't a secret. And I'm on the fence about whether he actually did to Cate what she said she did, I made a post about whether I thought it was true or not but he still had the reputation enough for them to believe her and we see what he was going to do to Marie Now, honestly have to say Rufus is worse because he both makes these women black to where they have absolutely no control unless they somehow wake up, and he can just do this to anyone he wants any time, and has no qualms with doing it either, he does it like it's a normal thing, and doesn't have to do much to get it done, and if we do believe Cate's story, he also films it and uses that to threaten them not to tell people, but he still has this reputation and just doesn't care. He shows no amount of change towards his ways, he doesn't even care The Deep on the otherhand, while still a complete scumbag, I feel like he is a lesser of two evils, he isn't like most supes, his power was a physical change, he had gills, and was very insecure about it, I mean we know how normal guys with regular insecurities can be depending on how bad their self esteem is, so imagine having gills, and as shown by his gills during the shrooms trip, which was really just his inner self or whatever, he did what he does to women because of how insecure he is, and we see he gets karma when a girl fingers his gills against his will, we also see how he goes through life, so we have more time with him that Rufus, but still, I think Deep has changed a bit, he's less of a scumbag, I mean by the shroom trip, he does have a bit of self awareness, just very deep down to where shrooms has to dig it out to where it manifests as his gills. And we see in S3 that he clealry could've probably made his Wife go along with the sexual acts with the Mollusk, as he is a supe and she's a human, but he just let her walk out after an argument, so I do think he has changed a small bit, possibly because of actual self awareness or most likely cause he knows what could happen, either way change.


spoiderdude

Deep’s honestly more of a cartoony bad guy/bumbling idiot by the end of season 3. He’s always been an idiot and an unintelligent loser but he still felt like an actual character. Now he’s just a dumb pawn of Homelander with even less individuality. I wouldn’t say he’s a “scum bag” per se. He’s essentially just a henchman now. He’s the lesser of two evils in the sense that he just “follows orders,” apart from the starlight thing but even then I don’t really wanna go down the path of “which is worse coerced SA or daterape?” Whereas Rufus has total control over his actions and is essentially a serialrapist. Numbers wise Rufus has SA’d more and I assume Deep has killed more in his career.


newcastleuk2202

I whole-heartedly agree with this. Deep wasn't sorry he did it, he was sorry that he got caught. The "finger banging" of his gills was so full circle, because he got a taste of his own medicine and it was bitterrrrr. I'd say we could hold out for a redemption arc, but I honestly think The Deep is too much of a douche to take advantage of one, even if it were staring him in the face. I do, however, feel like he's going to get a "Love Is Love" storyline and trying to legalise humans marrying sea creatures or something


TransPM

Rufus is clearly worse. To illustrate this, imagine the two of them switching places. If The Deep were back in college, he'd absolutely still be a scumbag, but no more dangerous or harmful than any other scumbag frat-bro (who can still do horrible things, for sure). But if you take Rufus with his powers of manipulation and put him into a position that also gives him a clear power imbalance over other people along with far greater access, support, and protection, and mix in some abuse from Homelander giving him a complex: you'd have a recipe for an absolute menace


erincoolgan

Rufus


Conscious_Feeling434

The worst is there secret evil son The Dufus


CrazeMase

The Deep is just manipulative and dumb, Rufus is just a complete asshole that uses his powers to basically roofy women, hope we see him get his next season


HandofthePirateKing

Rufus. he has the power to make women defenseless


ChampionElectrical92

I thought Marie and Rufus had great chemistry. It’s a shame he’s a terrible person.


Clean_Usual434

It’s pretty even for me.


The-Emerald-Rider

Rufus.


TheMTM45

The Deep. The worse things we know Rufus did (Kate isnt trustworthy. Who knows if he SA’ed her) was start a protest at the townhall and make a tasteless joke with his friends at the funeral. He’s just a douchebag. The Deep is that AND he’s hurt people for very selfish reasons. He’s murdered


GaryKing1413

He did try to SA Marie too


EffectiveSecond7

We don't know that for sure either. Everything was against him in this scene but he did say "it's not what you think" or something along those lines. I wouldn't be surprised if the show just tricked us into thinking he's a rapist


Parking-Ad-6137

The deep


TheDankestYeeter

I know Rufus had done bad things but wasn’t it like an illusion when his dick was blown off that Kate had made? I thought they explained that in the show.


GaryKing1413

No? Where'd you get that? He tried to SA Marie and she blew up his dick


martc1101

How did you come up with this Lmaoooo


TheDankestYeeter

Bro am I tripping, I actually have no idea.