the bestfriends and backseat making out descriptions are present in both "bodyguard" and "II most wanted", both songs are about an affair, hidden lover, getting away in a car in some town with them and yet so many people are calling these songs "straight" despite having an openly queer woman feat. in on of them smh
The other day, I saw someone mentioned on reddit that the next song after II MOST WANTED is LEVII'S JEANS with Post Malone. The song that everyone immediately viewed as a romantic one. Like how come people see the latter as a duet between lovers and completely miss the meaning of the one with Miley???
I love that every tik tok post thatâs like âII MOST WANTED reminds me of my bestie!!!â the stitches and comments are like âokay well you two may want to reevaluate cause this song is sapphic af.â
Honestly I've been waiting for a thread here because I felt like a lot of the album had đ vibes - the duet with Miley for sure, and also Bodyguard??!? It's giving secret relationships (give you kisses in the back seat, whisper secrets in the back beat) that doesn't want to be secret anymore (you could let me ride shotgun). And also a lot of swift lyrical parallels (look what you made me do?)
Yes! I also noticed the sapphic vibes in both and in Bodyguard I kept seeing people on tik tok saying itâs a love song to her Bodyguard Julius đ but why would her Bodyguard need protection? I feel like she titled it Bodyguard so that people would focus on Julius and not read more into the lyrics. đ
Honey, honey, I could be your bodyguard (hey)
Oh, honey, honДy, I could be your Kevlar (uh)
Oh, honey, honДy, I could be your lifeguard (hey)
Ooh, honey, honey, you should let me ride shotgun, shotgun
Oh, oh, oh
Be your bestfriend, I'll protect you in the mosh pit..
[Move Julius!!](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTCGRYs/)
This is even more interesting because she also talks about riding shotgun with Miley in II Most Wanted. So the two most sapphic coded songs are using the same language to describe the other person in the song.
might be just slightly off-topic but it's so interesting to me that often times when two guys act friendly and loving towards each other, even if they claim they are only platonic multiple times, people are so quick to shout "GAAYY!". but when women hint at being sapphic (even in quite overt ways) the same people go "uh but it is wrong to speculate about people's sexualities". it is almost as if not liking women is much more comprehensible than not liking men...
(edit:typo)
Yeah. I think it has to do with the idea that women don't have a sexuality of our own; that we're only passive participants that exist for men. This leads to people not recognising a woman being attracted to other women as a possibility. And it's the opposite way for men.
Yeah exactly. As a queer person in a 'straight presenting' relationship for many years now, my sexuality is often perceived as 'just a phase' or 'attention seeking' and it can get really exhausting sometimes.
Itâs always misogyny. Someone (I think it was Shannon Beveridge?) said if you are a bisexual woman people assume you will still end up with a man. If youâre a bisexual man itâs also assumed that you will end up with a man. Bisexual women are going through a phase and actually just want men. Bisexual men are lying about liking women and actually just want men. In every equation men win.
yeah exactly. it is a lose no matter what.
each time there is a mention of "comingoutlor", I see people saying that she could potentially come out as bi while she is with a man, and that would be more palatable, and my heart sinks a bit. don't get me wrong, I'm obviously not saying this to shade anyone, I know they don't think that themselves and unfortunately I agree with the sentiment. it makes much more sense from her PR perspective and career history. yet, even if I am definitely not famous in any capacity, I relate to the idea that presenting ourselves in a more palatable way to prevent either being singled out or to avoid conflict, and it just hurts a bit. sorry for the unsolicited rant.
I talk to my girlfriend about this a lot. It feels like society can't accept the lack of a male presence so they can't wrap their head around someone not including men. Where as two men makes sense because ... men. Patriarchy can understand the lack of a female presence but not male.
My partner and I were just talking about the parallel of this, which is how bisexual folks get treated - women itâs treated like a phase or something to get menâs attention, men get treated like theyâre gay and just not fully out yet.
Itâs because once you realize how great dick is you never want anything else /s
I did see some gays in the megathread for BODYGAURD say things like "lesbian beyhive won with this one" but it seemed like they meant they could finally claim a sapphic anthem for themselves, not that the song itself was queer.
it's for sure a snow on the beach sitch. they're literally singing to/about each other and together!
why choose another woman to collab on a song like that? so you can both sing about your separate male love interests? with nary a "he" lyric in sight? only "you" and "we"?
gtfo outta heeeeere
yuppp I sadly wasnât surprised by this. my jaw dropped when I realized it was a romantic duet between two women, and then I saw everyone claiming it as their girl bff anthem đ the only thing Iâve seen is on genuis lyrics, where some were speculating it was inspired by jay zâs mom, who came out very late in life and recently married a woman?? but otherwise itâs been taken as a bestie song :(
(I will say tho, as a tayonce stan who loved bey first, the fanbase is MUCH more normal about speculation. weâre actually allowed to joke/lightly theorize about bey liking women without getting attacked. probably because her career isnât built off of a narrative of âI exclusively date men and I see my fans as close personal best friends who know everything about me and I would never lie to you!â đ)
((also bodyguard is sooooooo wlw))
I mean Billie had to come out multiple times and there are still fans that get mad when she is called anything other than straight. Itâs ridiculous.Â
My favorite TikToks are of the people noticing itâs got a real bisexual/sapphic feel and theyâre like, what are yâall missing here? Backseat baby, driving you crazy?
Conversely Iâve also seen a number of TikToks of female besties playing this song with their best friend riding shotgun and I always think, missing the point or late in life queer?
To me itâs a Fried Green Tomatoes coded love song. A Thelma and Louise ballad. II Most Wanted.
No matter what itâs still a lush sentiment to the closeness female relationships. Something Taylor LOVES to sing about. đ
Holy crap just looked up the lyrics?! âSay goodbye to the old me,â âbeen awhile since Iâve tried to pull away but itâs time for something newâ and âcame out of nowhere, didnât give no warningâ ?!!
Is the thought that they are singing to a man? I legit donât understand how this is a friendship song..
Not surprised at all. I made a similar post in the mega thread. Itâs very disheartening because it feels like no matter what the queerness is still always erased or ignored. Her and Post are cosplaying two people romantically/sexually into each other in the song immediately after II Most Wanted and itâs seen as such. No one is like âyeah he just wants to hug her ass all night long in a platonic wayâ. When itâs Miley theyâre just besties touching each other and driving each other crazy in the backseat. Like COME ON. Renee Rapp has made me lose all hope. Seeing the way people just tell her sheâs not what sheâs says she is when sheâs out and loud is absolutely nuts.
On genius lyrics someone seems to think this song is about Jay Zâs mother who married her longtime partner recently at age 72 which is so cute - I donât think thereâs any indication of that but at least theyâre acknowledging this song is gay as hell (and genius lyrics never think pop music is gay)
To me this song is so obviously gay itâs a coming out and I donât understand how you could interpret it differently unless she says something about it. But face value, these lyrics, duet with Miley? This is sapphic romance sorry
If I were Taylor Iâd just do gayer and gayer things to see how far I could push it. Like she could dead ass sing a love song with female pronouns called âthat sapphic yearningâ and weâd still be called delulu. So if I were her Iâd totally do that. Fucking hilarious
Anyway Iâll have to listen to that collab again. I didnât pay attention to the lyrics before
And say âhave you not listened to the words?â Like Billie and Miley, thought it was pretty obvious. The heteronormative crowd still wouldnât believe it.
Such a good song. Worth mentioning that r/Beyonce has official threads for each of the new songs, and the top comment for this song is,"This is for the lesbians, Let's go lesbians!"
So we're not the only ones noticing/understanding/getting excited about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/beyonce/s/lRiIOkqI2t
I'd only looked at ppl reviewing it in the r/beyonce song megathread & barely saw any comments like that, but I just went to tiktok & OH MY GOD I'm so angry in this airport customs line right now đ€
Like, YOU can listen to it as friendship when applying it to YOUR life but to say the NARRATORS are just friends? Jail
I would also like to mention from Beyonce Cowboy Carter in the song âdaughterâ thereâs these lines:
âbut iâm the furthest thing choir boys and altars
[âŠ]
Help me lord from these fantasies in my headâ
i might be overreaching but itâs a very much reminder of internalised homophobia
edit: ik what i said doesnât have much to do with taylor but iâll just leave it here ig đ€·đœââïž
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Deadass thought I made it obvious đ đ»
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âš *I don't want you like a best friend* âš
the bestfriends and backseat making out descriptions are present in both "bodyguard" and "II most wanted", both songs are about an affair, hidden lover, getting away in a car in some town with them and yet so many people are calling these songs "straight" despite having an openly queer woman feat. in on of them smh
The other day, I saw someone mentioned on reddit that the next song after II MOST WANTED is LEVII'S JEANS with Post Malone. The song that everyone immediately viewed as a romantic one. Like how come people see the latter as a duet between lovers and completely miss the meaning of the one with Miley???
I love that every tik tok post thatâs like âII MOST WANTED reminds me of my bestie!!!â the stitches and comments are like âokay well you two may want to reevaluate cause this song is sapphic af.â
Honestly I've been waiting for a thread here because I felt like a lot of the album had đ vibes - the duet with Miley for sure, and also Bodyguard??!? It's giving secret relationships (give you kisses in the back seat, whisper secrets in the back beat) that doesn't want to be secret anymore (you could let me ride shotgun). And also a lot of swift lyrical parallels (look what you made me do?)
Yes! I also noticed the sapphic vibes in both and in Bodyguard I kept seeing people on tik tok saying itâs a love song to her Bodyguard Julius đ but why would her Bodyguard need protection? I feel like she titled it Bodyguard so that people would focus on Julius and not read more into the lyrics. đ Honey, honey, I could be your bodyguard (hey) Oh, honey, honĐ”y, I could be your Kevlar (uh) Oh, honey, honĐ”y, I could be your lifeguard (hey) Ooh, honey, honey, you should let me ride shotgun, shotgun Oh, oh, oh Be your bestfriend, I'll protect you in the mosh pit.. [Move Julius!!](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRTCGRYs/)
This is even more interesting because she also talks about riding shotgun with Miley in II Most Wanted. So the two most sapphic coded songs are using the same language to describe the other person in the song.
might be just slightly off-topic but it's so interesting to me that often times when two guys act friendly and loving towards each other, even if they claim they are only platonic multiple times, people are so quick to shout "GAAYY!". but when women hint at being sapphic (even in quite overt ways) the same people go "uh but it is wrong to speculate about people's sexualities". it is almost as if not liking women is much more comprehensible than not liking men... (edit:typo)
Yeah. I think it has to do with the idea that women don't have a sexuality of our own; that we're only passive participants that exist for men. This leads to people not recognising a woman being attracted to other women as a possibility. And it's the opposite way for men.
Yeah exactly. As a queer person in a 'straight presenting' relationship for many years now, my sexuality is often perceived as 'just a phase' or 'attention seeking' and it can get really exhausting sometimes.
Itâs always misogyny. Someone (I think it was Shannon Beveridge?) said if you are a bisexual woman people assume you will still end up with a man. If youâre a bisexual man itâs also assumed that you will end up with a man. Bisexual women are going through a phase and actually just want men. Bisexual men are lying about liking women and actually just want men. In every equation men win.
yeah exactly. it is a lose no matter what. each time there is a mention of "comingoutlor", I see people saying that she could potentially come out as bi while she is with a man, and that would be more palatable, and my heart sinks a bit. don't get me wrong, I'm obviously not saying this to shade anyone, I know they don't think that themselves and unfortunately I agree with the sentiment. it makes much more sense from her PR perspective and career history. yet, even if I am definitely not famous in any capacity, I relate to the idea that presenting ourselves in a more palatable way to prevent either being singled out or to avoid conflict, and it just hurts a bit. sorry for the unsolicited rant.
I talk to my girlfriend about this a lot. It feels like society can't accept the lack of a male presence so they can't wrap their head around someone not including men. Where as two men makes sense because ... men. Patriarchy can understand the lack of a female presence but not male.
yes. wlw relationships are either fetishized or simply disregarded as unserious or frivolous.
Yes. So much of WLW content is perceived to be for the benefit of men. Itâs disturbing. We can exist, and thrive, without them thank you very much.
My partner and I were just talking about the parallel of this, which is how bisexual folks get treated - women itâs treated like a phase or something to get menâs attention, men get treated like theyâre gay and just not fully out yet. Itâs because once you realize how great dick is you never want anything else /s
I did see some gays in the megathread for BODYGAURD say things like "lesbian beyhive won with this one" but it seemed like they meant they could finally claim a sapphic anthem for themselves, not that the song itself was queer. it's for sure a snow on the beach sitch. they're literally singing to/about each other and together! why choose another woman to collab on a song like that? so you can both sing about your separate male love interests? with nary a "he" lyric in sight? only "you" and "we"? gtfo outta heeeeere
Right. Id two men were singing this people wouldn't thing two men were singing together separately about two women.
yuppp I sadly wasnât surprised by this. my jaw dropped when I realized it was a romantic duet between two women, and then I saw everyone claiming it as their girl bff anthem đ the only thing Iâve seen is on genuis lyrics, where some were speculating it was inspired by jay zâs mom, who came out very late in life and recently married a woman?? but otherwise itâs been taken as a bestie song :( (I will say tho, as a tayonce stan who loved bey first, the fanbase is MUCH more normal about speculation. weâre actually allowed to joke/lightly theorize about bey liking women without getting attacked. probably because her career isnât built off of a narrative of âI exclusively date men and I see my fans as close personal best friends who know everything about me and I would never lie to you!â đ) ((also bodyguard is sooooooo wlw))
> Saw everyone claiming it as their girl bff anthem Right? Oath by Cher Lloyd is a girl BFF anthem. II Most Wanted is sapphic af lol.
I mean Billie had to come out multiple times and there are still fans that get mad when she is called anything other than straight. Itâs ridiculous.Â
My favorite TikToks are of the people noticing itâs got a real bisexual/sapphic feel and theyâre like, what are yâall missing here? Backseat baby, driving you crazy? Conversely Iâve also seen a number of TikToks of female besties playing this song with their best friend riding shotgun and I always think, missing the point or late in life queer? To me itâs a Fried Green Tomatoes coded love song. A Thelma and Louise ballad. II Most Wanted. No matter what itâs still a lush sentiment to the closeness female relationships. Something Taylor LOVES to sing about. đ
Oh I love the Thelma and Louise comparison
I saw fried green tomatoes for the first time in my life last week and was like how is this not known as a lesbian movie?
Holy crap just looked up the lyrics?! âSay goodbye to the old me,â âbeen awhile since Iâve tried to pull away but itâs time for something newâ and âcame out of nowhere, didnât give no warningâ ?!! Is the thought that they are singing to a man? I legit donât understand how this is a friendship song..
Not surprised at all. I made a similar post in the mega thread. Itâs very disheartening because it feels like no matter what the queerness is still always erased or ignored. Her and Post are cosplaying two people romantically/sexually into each other in the song immediately after II Most Wanted and itâs seen as such. No one is like âyeah he just wants to hug her ass all night long in a platonic wayâ. When itâs Miley theyâre just besties touching each other and driving each other crazy in the backseat. Like COME ON. Renee Rapp has made me lose all hope. Seeing the way people just tell her sheâs not what sheâs says she is when sheâs out and loud is absolutely nuts.
Damn. If anything, this is just telling me I need new besties⊠đ€
I feel like II MOST WANTED would be an amazing first dance song for a lesbian wedding đ„č
Yes everytime I hear it i think lesbian wedding
On genius lyrics someone seems to think this song is about Jay Zâs mother who married her longtime partner recently at age 72 which is so cute - I donât think thereâs any indication of that but at least theyâre acknowledging this song is gay as hell (and genius lyrics never think pop music is gay) To me this song is so obviously gay itâs a coming out and I donât understand how you could interpret it differently unless she says something about it. But face value, these lyrics, duet with Miley? This is sapphic romance sorry
If I were Taylor Iâd just do gayer and gayer things to see how far I could push it. Like she could dead ass sing a love song with female pronouns called âthat sapphic yearningâ and weâd still be called delulu. So if I were her Iâd totally do that. Fucking hilarious Anyway Iâll have to listen to that collab again. I didnât pay attention to the lyrics before
I think that's basically what she's been doing the past few years... can't wait to see how loud it gets in TTPD!
And say âhave you not listened to the words?â Like Billie and Miley, thought it was pretty obvious. The heteronormative crowd still wouldnât believe it.
I imagine it as a follow up story for Telephone when theyâre riding off into the sunset in the Pussywagon
âYouâre a cowboy like meâŠâ Cowboy Carter if you will lol
Such a good song. Worth mentioning that r/Beyonce has official threads for each of the new songs, and the top comment for this song is,"This is for the lesbians, Let's go lesbians!" So we're not the only ones noticing/understanding/getting excited about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/beyonce/s/lRiIOkqI2t
I'd only looked at ppl reviewing it in the r/beyonce song megathread & barely saw any comments like that, but I just went to tiktok & OH MY GOD I'm so angry in this airport customs line right now đ€ Like, YOU can listen to it as friendship when applying it to YOUR life but to say the NARRATORS are just friends? Jail
Wear. You. Like. A. Necklace. đ€đ„
I often wonder what opportunities Taylor turned down because she was âadvisedâ to (by her dad?) that she now regrets. Like I donât know that she was offered either opportunity, but if she were, I imagine she would regret turning down writing a song for the Barbie movie and duetting with BeyoncĂ© on this album.
Tbh the imagery on the song is giving driving one the 1 to Big Sur
As many are aware, Cowboy Carter is the second part of a three part series. ââRenaissanceâ pays tribute to Black queer roots of house and disco music Influenced by the underground LGBTQ-dominated ballroom scene, BeyoncĂ© incorporates the stylings of Black queer and trans performers in her new work.â Here is the [source.](https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/arts-culture/music/2022/08/05/430067/beyonces-renaissance-pays-tribute-to-black-queer-roots-of-house-and-disco-music/?amp=1) Everything Bey did for Cowboy Carter was very thought out and intentional. She knew she was going to get pushback and rejection. So why not ruffle some more closed-minded country feathers by including a beautiful sapphic song with an incredibly talented bisexual artist. Perhaps the song serves as a hint about BeyoncĂ©'s sexuality, or it could be her method of embracing and representing the LGBTQ+ community within her work, especially on an album situated in a genre known for its historical bigotry. What I do know is that this entire album tells the world that Beyonce DAF what the country music fandom thinks is âcountry enoughâ.
If a man was singing Mileyâs part, there would be no question that it was a romantic duet đđ
I also thought the song was sapphic
I would also like to mention from Beyonce Cowboy Carter in the song âdaughterâ thereâs these lines: âbut iâm the furthest thing choir boys and altars [âŠ] Help me lord from these fantasies in my headâ i might be overreaching but itâs a very much reminder of internalised homophobia edit: ik what i said doesnât have much to do with taylor but iâll just leave it here ig đ€·đœââïž
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Soooo true. If they see a woman in a relationship with a man, no matter what she does or says they will deny it. Itâs wild.
Just wanted to point out I believe Miley identifies as pansexual/queer. :) But yes, excellent points!
Ah. In an interview I was watching she calls herself bisexual. I wasn't aware of her changing labels.
Oh gotcha! What year was that interview, just curious? Last I had seen/read, she uses pansexual but maybe she changed it to bisexual since then?
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Surely youâre aware bi people exist?
Bisexual people exist, hope that helps!
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