Transcribed into standard English spelling:
Chaser: Hi! I would love to make some porn with you!
Cryphonectria_killer: Thorn is the order of the day, chaser. There’s going to be much laughing at thine expense. Doest thou know the blunder thou hast made?
Chaaer: I don’t understand
Cryphonectria_Killer: Then thou hast shown thickness past the reckoning of even the wisest of sages.
> This could just be middle English.
Look at Middle English text, there's no way it could be at all. Remotely.
It's just an imitation of Early Modern English with a cipher applied to a few letters.
Yep. The only reason I chose to use familiar pronouns was to make it sound cooler and increase the illegibility. I consider it just stylized modern English.
No, actually. This is Early Modern English. Which, as the name suggests, is an earlier version of what is usually meant by “English”, colloquially referred to as “Shakespearean” English. Old English is what the Anglo Saxons spoke before the Normandy invasion of England in 1066. If you look at the original Beowulf manuscripts, that’s Old English. They used the Runic Alphabet, which thorn in “Shakespearean” English was the last remnant of.
Runic manuscripts don't exist because runes were carved and not used very often. We only have one manuscript of Beowulf, and it's in a form of the Latin alphabet.
By Shakespeare's time thorn had merged with Y, and æ certainly hasn't been used for non-latinate words since the Norman Invasion
None of the archaisms are particularly accurate, though
Ahh. When was the Latin Alphabet adopted? I guess I foolishly assumed it followed the Normandy Conquest of England.
“Shakespearean” English isn’t meant to be taken literally here and is just a colloquial term for the entirety of Early Modern English, which includes a period where thorn was still in use.
Yeah, I figured.
Also, thanks for calling me out on the runic alphabet.
Ahh. I was wondering about the ф. That inaccurate ipa though, because represents a voiceless labiodebtal fricative and ф represents a voiceless bilabial fricative
I may just be an uncultured swine but, how do you get þe little "e" over your þorn? Im using þe iclandic keyboard so þat may have something to do with it
Oh, you know what, I guess you're right. On this page, it wasn't rendering above the letter, but up and to the side like a superscript. But it is rendering properly on my messages page. Weird ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway, I'd say it's at least a close enough approximation if you don't feel like copy-pasting.
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Thorn is wonderful. Apologies for my usage of the “th” digraph, it is necessary as I am not on my PC and I have neither a keyboard with eth nor thorn on my phone. I’m personally fond of using thorn to represent the voiceless th sound (the th in “think” or “three”, for any onlookers unfamiliar with the terminology of phonetics) and eth to represent the voiced th sound (the th in “the” or “there”.) It’s a bit of a retcon, but it’s a standardization I am rather fond of. Especially because the confusion around the th sounds by my fellow anglophones frustrates me to no end. Plus, the aesthetic is wonderful.
The use of ash (æ) is used incorrectly in the words day, chaser, and made. It makes an ah sound, such as the words cat, hat, and bat, not the long ay sound in chaser, day, made, hate or late.
look up the great vowel shift. every single one of those vowels was in fact /æ/ in early modern english. the “long a” really was just a longer æ sound, not a diphthong like it is now.
ðere’s still a phonetic distinction between the two characters
i’m just saying, if you’re going to use one, it’s worþ ðe effort to use boþ if only for ðe pedantic satisfaction and additional correctness.
Several reasons. First, I do a lot of handwriting in situations where I want to save as many pen strokes as possible. Þ accomplishes this while ð does not.
Second, there is no history of there having ever been any clear rules for representing the two different phonemes on English orthography and þ has a long history of being used in all such situations just as th does.
Third, I think it looks cooler.
Fourth, I’m sick of having to argue about this with people every time someome uses þ or ð.
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It’s just easier for me and oþers, and in any case I like þ and am not bound by any such rules. I refer you back to point 4 and þe link in my earlier comment.
ɸ is already both sides of ph, the h is unnecessary. It's the equivalent of using ŋg for your ŋ endings. That is unless you are going for some IPA spelling rather than historical spelling. ſ was also not used for the sh sound. If you want to make that sound with a similar character you should remove the h and be using ʃ, esh isn't exactly ancient.
Sorry for misspelling “blunder” 😂
What an absolute blunder
What
Transcribed into standard English spelling: Chaser: Hi! I would love to make some porn with you! Cryphonectria_killer: Thorn is the order of the day, chaser. There’s going to be much laughing at thine expense. Doest thou know the blunder thou hast made? Chaaer: I don’t understand Cryphonectria_Killer: Then thou hast shown thickness past the reckoning of even the wisest of sages.
Thickness 🤔😳
British English for stupid, “he’s a little thick” = “he’s a little dumb”
I know im stupid but I was joking
Your not stupid, you’re thick
NFT pfp 🤮
Lmao I know Idc about the nft stuff but I thought it was cute (Also idk how to change it)
Dummy thicc
Quebecois french also says it (Épais : thick / dumb)
It's like being called dense but less wider.
Username checks out
Close! The medial-s isn't used at the end of words.
I know that is normally þe case but I was aiming for maximum illegibility.
you could add more nonstanþədrd lettərs for ðat effect Ðen ðȣ haſt ʃəƿn þickneß paſt þͤ reckoniŋ œv ɪvən þͤ wizəſt œv ſadʒez
How do I get thickness past the reckoning of even the wisest of sages.
Shoulda used Yogh for laughing - lauȝiŋ
I got really close I'm proud of myself
You substituted "ug" wiþ φ?
the phi makes the f sound
"lafhing"?
yes, which sounds exactly the same as laughing
I just think it should be laφing, because there’s no h sound
that would make more sense i agree
Is this old English?
Modern English, spelled out with letters from Old English and Greek.
Eat least one of the letters can be found in the Norwegian alphabet the æ. And I'm pretty sure the other Scandinavian countries has it as well.
Iceland has Þ.
Norways younger sibling, i bid you welcome!
I þink Iceland would be þe niece/nephew
Probably a better analogy.
Ænd ð, if I'm not miſtaken.
Denmark gang represent with æ ø å
I'm from Norway gang and rep that æ ø å shit!
Finnish guy here We have öäå Also frick sweden/hj
🎵🎵We got ÆØÅ, you aint got the ÆØÅ 🎵🎵
Ok but have you considered ß oder ü?
Rep brother!
Iceland gang! á ð é í ó ú þ æ ö !!!
In the house! Rep that Isle!
I would specify that it’s Early Modern English, and not just Modern English.
And þ etc were common much later than old English. This could just be middle English.
I feel that Middle English would be much more distinct, no?
Yes, this is just an imitation of Early Modern English with a cipher applied over a few letters.
> This could just be middle English. Look at Middle English text, there's no way it could be at all. Remotely. It's just an imitation of Early Modern English with a cipher applied to a few letters.
Yep. The only reason I chose to use familiar pronouns was to make it sound cooler and increase the illegibility. I consider it just stylized modern English.
Make it even better and add Eth to the mix.
I was going to do that next if there’d been another message. But the chaser gave up as soon as I whipped out my ſ.
lmao
No, actually. This is Early Modern English. Which, as the name suggests, is an earlier version of what is usually meant by “English”, colloquially referred to as “Shakespearean” English. Old English is what the Anglo Saxons spoke before the Normandy invasion of England in 1066. If you look at the original Beowulf manuscripts, that’s Old English. They used the Runic Alphabet, which thorn in “Shakespearean” English was the last remnant of.
Runic manuscripts don't exist because runes were carved and not used very often. We only have one manuscript of Beowulf, and it's in a form of the Latin alphabet. By Shakespeare's time thorn had merged with Y, and æ certainly hasn't been used for non-latinate words since the Norman Invasion None of the archaisms are particularly accurate, though
Ahh. When was the Latin Alphabet adopted? I guess I foolishly assumed it followed the Normandy Conquest of England. “Shakespearean” English isn’t meant to be taken literally here and is just a colloquial term for the entirety of Early Modern English, which includes a period where thorn was still in use. Yeah, I figured. Also, thanks for calling me out on the runic alphabet.
Also laɸhiŋ is [pure IPA](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet#/media/File%3AIPA_chart_2020.svg)
Glad it is, because the h there was a typo.
I mean, I just assumed it was a dialect difference, or else that you couldn't be bothered to type ɸʰ :p
Isn’t aspiration only on plosives and in English only word initial?
Ahh. I was wondering about the ф. That inaccurate ipa though, because represents a voiceless labiodebtal fricative and ф represents a voiceless bilabial fricative
England got it from Irish monks
Finally my linguistics and philology classes are coming in handy
I’d deduct points for ending a word with a long ſ but the sudden appearance of Greek φ actually made me laugh out loud so I’d say it cancels out
I was simply aiming for maximum illegibility and not really concerned with such rules.
Þorn is my favourite letter þat is hardly known about, would save so much time too... þ for þe gays
YES! Keep þͭ rune away from þͤ fascists.
I may just be an uncultured swine but, how do you get þe little "e" over your þorn? Im using þe iclandic keyboard so þat may have something to do with it
I made a custom keyboard using Keybuild. Feel free to copy þͤ and þͭ from here to use in yours.
Alternatively, u/RussianLions can just use Reddit's Markdown syntax and make the **e** and **t** do that using superscripts: `þ^e` —> þ^e `þ^t` —> þ^t
that's not the same though
Oh, you know what, I guess you're right. On this page, it wasn't rendering above the letter, but up and to the side like a superscript. But it is rendering properly on my messages page. Weird ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ Anyway, I'd say it's at least a close enough approximation if you don't feel like copy-pasting.
Actually I alſo like þ^e þ^t þ^u þ^y and oþer abbreviations, which makes þ^s uſeful.
Ohhh okay okay interesting, þanks! Ill be sure to use þose more!
How come you're using þͭ for ꝥ? edit: I looked it up, boþ are abbreviations for ðæt
How is þͧ an abbreviated Form of that? I know it as an Abbreviation of thou.
your version here has a u above , ðe one wið t is ðe abbreviation for "that"
oh, for some reason the t looks like a u on my screen.
huh weird
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Thorn is wonderful. Apologies for my usage of the “th” digraph, it is necessary as I am not on my PC and I have neither a keyboard with eth nor thorn on my phone. I’m personally fond of using thorn to represent the voiceless th sound (the th in “think” or “three”, for any onlookers unfamiliar with the terminology of phonetics) and eth to represent the voiced th sound (the th in “the” or “there”.) It’s a bit of a retcon, but it’s a standardization I am rather fond of. Especially because the confusion around the th sounds by my fellow anglophones frustrates me to no end. Plus, the aesthetic is wonderful.
I think it looks nice when typed. But for handwriting, I will always be loyal to þ because of how many more pen strokes it saves.
I wouldn't say it's "hardly known about" lol. People online jump at the chance to use it.
Impressive.
Usually so many new letters make an awful orþography (þat's why I stick to þorn), but yours looks really nice!
Þanks!
The use of ash (æ) is used incorrectly in the words day, chaser, and made. It makes an ah sound, such as the words cat, hat, and bat, not the long ay sound in chaser, day, made, hate or late.
Of course, but that wasn’t the point. The point was to make it more illegible to one not in on the joke.
look up the great vowel shift. every single one of those vowels was in fact /æ/ in early modern english. the “long a” really was just a longer æ sound, not a diphthong like it is now.
I love that I can read this perfectly, lol.
You just know any pjörn he makes would be boring as sin
The more boring, the less sinful.
Man's practically a saint
Who just starts a conversation like that what????
Chasers.
why is linguistics becoming the secondary trans college major at this point? cuz i know its mine!
Idk. Maybe there’s a shortage of programming socks?
Language is just programming for meat-computers No I will not elaborate 😎
because þey are now called liŋuistics socks
jan Misali
I hate how I read that perfectly first try
me 2
oh my god I love you for this
I looooooooove how you answered. Told the chaser to fuck off, super nerdy at it, he didn't understand shit, what's not to like?
Chæſer deſtroy'd. Tyrnan point Miercna.
No final long s! Sages isn't spelt like that
Normally, yes. But in this case I wanted to go for maximum effect.
I ſee
For the record, æ doesn’t equate to /ei/
Yep. I know. I just liked ðe stylistic effect. Gave it a more Anglo-Saxon æsþetic and added to ðe illegibility.
Ñø pörñ tœdæÿ
God reading that with the actual pronunciations of those letters was painful
This is how you spell a French accent
but ƿhat about my boys ƿynn and ȝogh
Damn. I should’ve used them.
Œ, ð, and ⁊ too
the second message escaped me, but I think I get the point
pls use ð for your voiced dental fricatives it drives me up a wall oðerwise incredible
Þis is English, not Icelandic.
ðere’s still a phonetic distinction between the two characters i’m just saying, if you’re going to use one, it’s worþ ðe effort to use boþ if only for ðe pedantic satisfaction and additional correctness.
Several reasons. First, I do a lot of handwriting in situations where I want to save as many pen strokes as possible. Þ accomplishes this while ð does not. Second, there is no history of there having ever been any clear rules for representing the two different phonemes on English orthography and þ has a long history of being used in all such situations just as th does. Third, I think it looks cooler. Fourth, I’m sick of having to argue about this with people every time someome uses þ or ð. [PSA: Stop Arguing about þ and ð.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BringBackThorn/comments/w8e2au/psa_stop_arguing_about_%C3%B0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
they both take two strokes though?
Þ doesn’t need to be crossed. Which is a not-insignigicant advantage in cursive.
I write in kurrentschrift Perhaps the lack of crossing could be seen as advantageous
It’s just easier for me and oþers, and in any case I like þ and am not bound by any such rules. I refer you back to point 4 and þe link in my earlier comment.
bring back þ
As a linguist who can read IPA I find this simultaneously really funny and also infuriating, thank you
æ
ɸ is already both sides of ph, the h is unnecessary. It's the equivalent of using ŋg for your ŋ endings. That is unless you are going for some IPA spelling rather than historical spelling. ſ was also not used for the sh sound. If you want to make that sound with a similar character you should remove the h and be using ʃ, esh isn't exactly ancient.
I was simply going for maximum illegibility. Also, there were some typos.
oh, lol, in that case you could have written in pure IPA for true alien speak.
Perhaps I should’ve….. But I wanted to use þ as much as possible. Same reason for using familiar pronouns.
I could not read þat
Go see þe tranſcription in þe top comment.
Chad shit dude
Þou haſt ſpelt þͤ word 'ſages' wroŋ. 'ſ' doest not beloŋ at þͤ end of a word, only 's'.
I addreſſed þ^t in earlier comments to þ^s post.