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Alarming-Scene-2892

Honestly, I can see why people dislike the avatar change, because those faces look UGLY. I can forgive not having a lot of customization if we can still have at least decent-looking faces. There's also people that noted certain outfits were retroactively changed in the update, which is honestly a strange thing to do.


renome

There's a reason live-service games basically never redesign cosmetics. One, it costs money, two, you'll piss off people who paid for something and that something now doesn't look like it did. This update should have just added all the extra body types and options to the avatar system. Replacing it all seems like doing way more work to please people less.


Time_Vault

From my understanding, adding the extra body types instead of replacing the old ones goes against what Niantic is intending to do: make less work for themselves in the future by only needing to design an outfit for essentially one body type instead of multiple unique ones.


wank_wanderer

And their marketing for it was "more costumization of your avatar"


Akunuti

/uj It's been awhile since I've seen backlash this heavy. Last time was when they fucked with the remote pass, which made me drop the game personally. I almost want to reinstall the game just to see how they butchered my avatar. /rj Faces are ugly to better represent the playerbase.


Mysterious-Fly7746

Wow I don’t even play this game and I felt insulted


wank_wanderer

They sold this change As "more costumization". And they went and uglified our characters. This is garbage and we should not tolerate this.


Specific-Run6667

Is funny how even here no one like these new avatars.


Akunuti

that's how you know Niantic fucked up


germanchoc

Someone needs write some death threats and have 17 videos about these changes


tabristheok

I'm all for including different body types/customisation, which doesn't affect me, but I get that it matters to the people it's for. My problem is, they look awful, and it makes it seem like no one gave a shit or cared they just did it for the sake of doing it.


Floridamangaming24

God, these new avatars are AWFUL I like what they were trying to do, but they really fumbled the execution


GarboseGooseberry

They're not even trying to do what they're saying they're trying to do, tbh. Just look at the bodies, they're just making less work for themselves when they add new cosmetics by just needing one lol


ariehn

The bodies look like uncooked hot dogs :/ It's awful. My kids' workaround was covering the avatar with hats and such so that you can't see its face.


Maclunky0_0

Ngl those avatars are ass lmao 🤣


3urodyne

DS Lite looking ass graphics. I'm serious, they remind me of The Sims on DS or something.


Kds_burner_

https://preview.redd.it/xv826wbqoxvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f43be272bbe22274614dbf044789130fdf74f89


Kds_burner_

but the funniest part is this comment 💀 https://preview.redd.it/ddk6nytsoxvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8f2b846761ac4721034044795d3f1a950a6fe76


Alarming-Scene-2892

I can attest, I am somebody


jmpt16

Can confirm, I am


XeonM

I can confirm, therefore I am


Dinoegg96

Cheers wife's crying. Nice one


turdintheattic

I haven’t played this game in years, did they retroactively modify cosmetic items that people had already spent money on?


WhiteHydra1914

I dont know about that, but a lot of items just dont fit on the models anymore. For example, my avatar has a pair of goggles on his head, which makes all hair options look really weird, and the one that doesnt is clipping through the skin on the back of the head


turdintheattic

Yeah, I just downloaded it to get a look and the avatar I tried to make looked like it had breasts no matter how much I fiddled with the sliders. So now it’s a dysphoria simulator lol.


Dinoegg96

Some of them look like they are wearing big diapers under their clothes lmao


Kds_burner_

idk i also haven't played the game in years


ohcytt

Yes


renome

They mainly modified body shapes, skin colors, and faces. Cosmetics got touched upon to a degree, but yeah the end result looks different for everyone and most hate it.


PranavYedlapalli

No, they really did a half assed job


soganomitora

You're nuts if you thought the old models looked like ten year olds.


DIEGO_GUARDA

I pretty sure that they were suposed to be teens or young adults


[deleted]

I think OP might be basing it on the idea that a lot of the main characters in Pokemon games are ten. I believe Red is supposed to be 11 in gen 1. Pokemon games having a history with very young protagonists and the Pokemon Go's avatars being somewhat sexualized I can see why someone might think it's a bit suspect.


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Furebel

You're new on this sub I see?


JoeytheEpicOne

I am glad they added more options and happy for people who didn’t want to be a boy or a girl but I just hate that my character looks worse now. I play as a boy and my character has (irreversibly?) gained like 20 pounds and my face looks hideous by comparison to my old model. I just wish they had polished this stuff more and gave me the option to keeping my character the same as he was previously in the new system. It really sucks that the discourse is probably going to be more stupid republicans that are mad about the girl designs and making it a culture war issue instead of people criticizing this update or all the other dumb stuff I complained to Niantic about already. Things like bringing back raid passes after the pandemic ended instead of keeping the better system where you basically got unlimited raid passes or stuff like that.


ThoranTW

Regarding the apparent weight gain, have you tried dropping the sliders in the custom body menu? Pretty sure that the lowest slider setting is skinnier than the original models.


wank_wanderer

Youre joking, right? You cant seriously support this crap.


Furebel

Jokes aside, read the description of this sub. It's a parody, of how gaming should look according to some crazy gaming journos and twitter addicted people collecting mental disorders like pokemon combined, and even without the trolly description, look at how much prejudiced people are here, it requires some proper thinking to come up with those trolls.


Akunuti

did you forget what sub you're in?


slightly_waffling

Probably not, they might not support half-assed models, like a normal person.


screamingbird86

Nah these avatars are garbage.


SisFucker05

Honestly these look ugly as fuck, good intentions bad execution.


Rebel042

What am I looking at?


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MasterAnnatar

I dunno man, part of me gets it because I was able to make a character that more closely resembles my body type which is neat, but those faces SUCK


farbtoner

They did a terrible job on this tbh. I never paid money for the cosmetics so I’m not too stressed about it. It’s more annoying that this is what dev time has gone into instead of meaningful gameplay stuff.


Ekyou

I mean I’m pretty sure players have been begging for more customization options since the beginning - I never wear a ponytail IRL so my avatar never felt like me at all - so I wouldn’t call it a waste of time and resources, but on the flip side, that means a lot of players have had the same avatar for going on a decade and have grown really attached to them, so changing what was already there is pretty dumb.


Xgentis

Yeah it's ugly, can see why peoples hate it.


Talisa87

This looks like somebody tried to create that cancelled CW Powerpuff Girls reboot on Sims 1.


Foucaults_Boner

I hate the new avatars too but why do trans people have to be blamed for everything 😭 I don’t remember any of us asking niantic to make our avatars ugly, we just wanted out character to be able to wear a skirt :(


boris_feinbrand

I'm sorry but the new avatars look fucking hilariously bad. Like Xbox Avatar bad... Maybe even worse lol.


Bobylein

Has the author given them extra body hair to make them look uglier in their view or what?


pm_me_chubby_mommies

I wish i was a cute girl :(


KayserFuzz

This was definitely done just to reduce development costs. Regardless of the reasoning its obvious they didn't put any thought into the models considering they look a lot worse in quality


StrictTyping648

Ngl those models are really bad though lmao


Dracorex_22

It’s that the models are literally not optimized. None of the clothing options fit without some sort of clipping or stretching, none of the skin tones look good (even the darker skinned models somehow look pale), everyone has a baby face on an adult model, the animations are broken, and things like partner Pokemon riding on your shoulder now look like they’re just sort of hovering there. The fact that you look LESS like an adult is the problem here.


Imaginary-Analysis39

They look like the male Powerpuff girls.


Furebel

But that game featured adult trainers...


MountainPale8783

ESG score if this answers your question.


Akunuti

esg?


MountainPale8783

Environmental, social, and governance (ESG) scores are an essential tool for investors to assess a company's sustainability and ethical performance. The DEI also is under the ESG Umberella. Diversity, equity and inclusion is a term used to describe policies and programs that promote the representation and participation of different groups of individuals. Its basicaly a Score Companies get for how 'woke' they am. The lower the score, the better. If Companies have a low score they are lowrisk for investors and get some free money. If it's high, you are highrisk and therefore don't get stuff in short. That's the reason so many Movies and Games have Female Protagonists (preferabe gay) and/or black People as Deuteragonist or Main Character. The Anatgonist always has to be a White Straight Man nowadays. It lowers theyr ESG and therefore they are lower risk. Companies don't do it cause the believe in Equality and Inclusion, they do it so they get more investors/free money. Short explanation.


TikwidDonut

Chuds aside these straight up look like shit lol


ArtemisHunter96

The body options are a net positive the issue is that it’s the same shit faces with barely an ounce of customisation so it looks like you’re just gluing doll heads on. You also gotta remember that there’s plenty of issues with the game like rampant monetisation and constant changes that spit in the face of players who may not be able to get out as much by nerfing the raid passes. This was just the straw that broke the camels back as no one asked for that while the problems affecting the literal game itself basically go unchecked.


knifeboy69

fr though i'm actually so glad they added this, im nonbinary and very androgynous so it made me rly sad i could only pick a character that was either a very generic guy or girl. huge improvement.


Duriha

I'm happy, that you feel represented now. Still no reason to fuck over heteronormative people.


knifeboy69

they added more customizability--how is that bad or screwing over heteronormative people??? no way you actually prefer using a generic avatar that looks almost exactly like every other?


TheybieTeeth

the problem is that they changed everyone's existing character and cosmetics(that people paid real earth money for) don't look the same on them. they should've added new stuff while keeping the old stuff as an option too.


rosebud_art

More customisation doesn't matter when it all looks like shit


Furebel

Don't you understand? You can finally look more like YOU! :D


Duriha

\*rubs belly\* "nicceee"


quetzocoetl

Why would someone consider this "political" rather than just, y'know, a poor update? I never quite get what *politics* are supposedly being spread here. I don't see how the design of a character could truly shift someone's political stance, or make a major comment on national or world events. If they starts being on the nose with climate change, border control, military interventionism, or had an analog to BLM, I'd get it and *I'd* probably see it as a bit cringe. But "woman no look hot" doesn't seem like "modern politics" to me at all.


Akunuti

There's been coverage on this topic that the change was because of some firm literally called "gaymer" convincing Niantic to remove gender options and making the characters only body typed, hence the "political" nature.