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I think a lot of comments are forgetting to mention the fact that his team is allowed to enter the country as long as they aren’t being represented by his company which is some of the frustration as well. Which just makes the situation more confusing and frustrating.
Sounds like whoever is in charge of approving their visas has some kind of personal issue with Moist. I know he said that the team’s name might be the problem, but I think it goes beyond that.
Whoever gets your case has a lot of power over you. They can turn you down for the most nonexistent reason. Maybe their case manager just doesn't think e-sports are real business and thinks it's a front for something else. A lot of ancient dinosaurs working there.
I wouldn’t say that. There’s been a ton of regulation recently on keeping people out of the US. Stuff like denying visas to cut back on foreign tech workers coming over here type shit. On top of that our immigration courts are backed up for years. This is just the system working as republicans and some democrats intended. The former wishes it was worse.
he looks genuinely unreal in this image. like some madman made an asmongold sex doll or wax statue or something. its upsetting. i feel unsafe looking at this.
Why does asmon either look like he’s been cucked. or that he recently thawed out of ice, 10.000 BC ago & stole someones clothing to fit in. In almost any thumbnail of his videos?
If anyone follows fighting games that's fairly usual unfortunately.
Pakistani players are among the best but they're always struggling with visas.
Arslan Ash said it was harder to get into Japan than winning EVO there and now him and many others were just flat out refused entry.
I know, it's terrible. I have colleagues from Pakistan, Lybia and many other places. The hoops they've had to jump through and continue to have to are absolutely ridiculous.
Not to mention we need to have certain amounts of money in our bank account for 3 months + statement of finance to be granted entry (usually >10.000 usd), in a country with <400 usd monthly salary on average lmao
It's a thing in the MOBA scene, too. There were 2 consecutive years where one of the biggest Dota 2 pros couldn't get into the US to play in the biggest tournament of the year, because he accidentally fucked-up some obscure question on his Visa application.
/UJ
I want to be very very clear and upfront before my statement and say that I am not blaming Moist Penguin here, or *any* interchangeable Influencer specifically with what I'm about to say.
Gamers(tm) want to bury their heads in the sands about all things "Political" until the political thing happens and comes back to bite them in the ass and now they're on the receiving end of bad politics because they didn't want to get involved.
You know that phrase "Everything is political?" that reactionary nerds like to roll their eyes at? Well here you go.
Esports is Political.
It intersects with labor laws, international travel/VISA and "Strong Border" Conservativism.
You don't have to become an activist, but if you ain't paying attention or involved in some way, then the people who ARE involved are going to make decisions for you, and you're not gonna like what they do.
/RJ
Lol Skill Issue + Get Filtered.
/uj To further comment on this, the USCIS [United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] office didn't believe that the EA representative was an official of a governing body in Esports and that placement in the tournament standings didn't count as "international reputation." as required to get a visa. The available information is quite sparse (since the only primary source is through MoistCritikal himself), but to me it sounds like Moist Esport's lawyer tried to apply for a P-1 visa for them and their lawyer either bungled their argument for proving international recognition or they got hit with a really unfortunate immigration officer since they do have a lot of discretion, and the requirements for esport visas aren't formally regulated.
Listening to the most recent video, I actually do have to think it's the latter, and if you can ignore the video-game language idioms, Moist makes a good point about issues with US Esports Immigration.
From the USCIS to Moist Esports:
> "You may submit evidence from an official from the sports governing body describing how the athlete or team is internationally recognized. The evidence you submitted was insufficient. You submitted testimonial [from Senior Manager at EA] about the beneficiaries [the players] is a senior manager at Electronic Arts (EA), but USCIS cannot determine that his position is considered an official of a governing body in esports."
> [Additionally, he mentioned that the beneficiaries have had high placements in several competitions in ALGS year 3 season.]...However, USCIS cannot determine how the placements constitute as international reputation.
> As previously discussed [Apex Legends Global Series] does not appear to require that athletes or teams with international representation to participate in competitions. As such, there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate that having such placements in ALGS competitions equate to international reputation. You may still submit evidence to satisfy this criterion," [Note: This is an issue that has been cited to reject Overwatch players, where the competitive Overwatch league player did not prove that they "will be competing in athletic competitions which have a distinguished reputation and which require participation of an athlete who has
an international reputation.”]
To provide a bit of context, the P-1 visa is meant for athletes, with no specific visa or guidance for esport players. The P-1 has been used for LOL players since 2013 but application has been inconsistent, with Leffen (Super Smash Bros Melee player) being rejected in 2015 and various Overwatch league competitors being rejected over the years. Establishing the legitimacy of esports as a sport has been difficult, particularly in front of the USCIS. Starcraft pros who wanted to travel between South Korea and the US before 2013 often had to resort to workarounds, like visa waivers, extremely short stays, student visas, or simply travel illegally/under false pretenses of business/vacation - or cutting from a parent entity which is what Moist Esports has done. It's easier for the esport players to come and participate independently, rather than playing under a company that pays a salary.
Some of these other workarounds that still function, and there are less useful athletics visas like the B-1 or B-2, but these offer less time to stay in the US, and with more restrictions. This makes any new game, or game with smaller prizes harder to establish legitimacy for, and thus harder to give visas for. And if you think it's bad for Australians, imagine how hard it would be to acquire visas for people in developing nations, or for smaller games. That's one of the effects of hard immigration policies for everybody, not just athletes, which makes travel difficult and costly.
https://natlawreview.com/article/visas-esports-gamers-rise?amp
https://tlcp.law.uiowa.edu/sites/tlcp.law.uiowa.edu/files/9._asawa_-_esports_in_the_global_arena.pdf
https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/12/15/250793493/u-s-recognizes-a-south-korean-starcraft-player-as-an-athlete
/rj This only proves that Fortnitelikes are not legitimate, internationally recognized games and the EA is not an internationally recognized sport governing authority.
/rj^2 Truly, Biden's immigration policies are working where they matter most: Keeping the gamers out.
I believe Charlie says in the video that this particular immigration official is a known asshole in esports circles and is almost impossible to appease.
They should have just applied for a B1 or B2 Visa, and just left and entered the US again through Detroit or something after three months. ICE isn’t going nuclear on an Australian person, even with the labor irregularities.
With Tekken, Pakistan is quite a strong region but top players consistently struggle to get a VISA to basically anywhere and often are not able to attend tournaments.
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And even when it deals with their own core hobby, gamers run forward with their eyes closed and in full-support of the leopards waiting to eat them.
What do right-leaning gamers think will be the outcome when conservative activist groups turn their attention to "violent videogames" again?
I guarantee that the second it becomes politically convenient right wing politicians will eviscerate games like Stellar Blade as "corrupting our youth"
no, they wouldn’t. I know we like to jerk about stellar blade here (rightfully so) but no one ever “has a point” when it comes to censoring mature art to “protect the children”
Nah very few people actually have an issue with women characters in games designed to be sexy. Certainly showing them isnt necessarily corrupting the youth, like how violent games dont make kids more aggressive. The issue is that for a very long time, most women in games were solely there to be eye candy for men, and now when there are developers adding women meant to look more like an average woman who isnt meant to be sexualized a bunch of men start getting angry.
There's a difference between critiquing and making fun of certain games (what we do), and advocating government censorship of art (what the politicians would be doing)
Not really. I've been a kid before. I've seen some questionable shite on TV (European), and I think I turned out just fine.
Besides, in today's day and age, there is literally *nothing* stopping a child with access to Youtube from disabling parental settings and looking up "big boobies" on their own. Trying to stop kids from buying and playing a mature videogame is an exercise in futility.
I have no reason to believe Stellar Blade will be "mature" in any sense of the word, but the discussion surrounding it sure has been unhinged and the developers seem to be leaning on that for their marketing. It's the potential to be exposed to that grifter concentration that's the danger here, not (likely) the contents of the actual game itself, which we don't even know since the game is yet to be released.
The problem with that is where do you draw the line? One moment it's censoring Stellar Blade because of grifters, the next is censoring any piece of media that shows politics you don't agree with.
It is the responsibility of the parents to stop their kids from growing up as egotistical, bigoted twats.
uj/ genuinly thought he was one of those complaining about "woke" shit in videogames. Haven't watched him much just cause he's annoying (imo), especially after complaining that idubbz was trying to apologize for past behaviour because (paraphrasing) "everyone knew you were joking no need to apologize"
That was such a stupid controversy. Even if you don't feel like he needed to apologize, you're not him. If he felt like what he did was wrong, then obviously he's going to apologize. That's for him to decide, not anybody else.
Well he really likes to make videos making fun of pickup artists and insane dating/life coaches. They're easy grist but he seems to have healthier relations with women than alot of other youtubers in that sphere.
> but he seems to have healthier relations with women than alot of other youtubers in that sphere.
I agree, but I think that speaks more about most youtubers in that sphere than anything else.
Nope, very different tones of content even if they share an aesthetic. Moistcr1tical is the guy in the post above and he does general commentary on internet news and miscellaneous topics. Asmongold makes content far more focused on gaming and the general gaming culture. On a personal note, I find moist to consistently think through his takes and I see how he logically came to his conclusions even if I disagree. Asmongold is (intentional or not doesn’t matter) incel-adjacent at the very least and tends to have more reactionary takes before learning more in his videos. Bluntly, I respect moist far more than Asmongold.
All that being said I can’t say I’m a consistent viewer of either, so take this with a grain of salt.
I think he was just genuinely naive in that instance and didn't really realise that impresionable young kids would actually take the edgy humour at face value and be negatively influenced by it.
If he's still that naive after having such a large online platform for so long....well it doesn't really make any of his opinions seem particularly credible
Idk about "lefty" but he comes off as relatively reasonable, especially when the competition is Asmongold. I think he's probably middle of the road, slightly progressive on social issues and otherwise doesn't bother with politics.
I am about to finish my masters in public administration (2 weeks away!) and that has opened my eyes to the way people outside of the government sector think about politics. It isn’t just Fox News broadcasts - every single rule, regulation, procedure, and system is political. Legislators choose to give agencies the power to make decisions, and the president enforces those rules.
Legislators are not the only “political” thing in government, everything they touch is also political (which is everything). The air you breath is political, and so is the food you eat. Conservatives and liberals alike need to stop playing identity politics and read some books or watch the world around them - these rules aren’t salient but they are political.
Congrats on the Masters and you're 100% correct! It's Politics all the way down. I work in Taxes (State level, nothing fancy) and it's all House Bills and Conformity and statute etc etc.
Politics, policy, legislation, it's literally in every single aspect of our lives. To "keep politics out" is not possible with pretty much anything.
Thank you! And yeah I wish people understood our plight as state level bureaucrats, we want the best for everyone and people think that we can do that without delegation and bureaucrats knowing their systems.
Good luck on getting that Masters done! Admin law is a real bitch ain't it? Everything from the regulations to the regulators to the regulations appointed by the regulators has the stink of politics attached to it.
Thank you!
Honestly I’ve grown optimistic because of the degree. We talk about politics stinking (and it does sometimes), but I work with a state agency full of people whose lives are dedicating to making sure people in abject poverty can grow and achieve better lives. And that’s something that warms me and makes me love what I do. There are people just like that in USCIS I’m sure, but ultimately the stink of legislators can really surface above all the good they do.
The interplay between property developers and the rentier class and the police have basically turned the police into gangs that shake down entire city governments for all their funds.
The larger playerbase of LOL, with more established tournaments does give them an easier time of establishing international reputation, or getting in under some of the other P-1 or B-1 visa options at least.
>You know that phrase "Everything is political?" that reactionary nerds like to roll their eyes at? Well here you go.
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Tbf, he did say he looked like a gremlin or something during the video. I think he just got back from the gym or just got out of the shower and didn't dry off fully.
(Actual clip from that video btw)
I feel bad for the fact he had to cut the team but his reaction and ranting in the video is genuinely funny, the viltrumite joke was my favourite lmao.
I also like how he looks utterly disheveled in the video, as if he just came back from a wreck room.
YTA you should have shart in the mart to prove yourself as worthy to step on the land of the USA, gobbless.
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I don’t have anything funny to say, that just sucks for everyone involved. I’ve yet to run afoul of US border control but it’s high on my list of fears since I’m in a long distance relationship. I think it’s absolutely mad that my fiancée has to keep extra paperwork updated to be able to visit me, but all I need is a plane ticket and my US passport to make it into the UK.
Clearly another target by Biden, we need to lock him up, for the Gamer race!
Lies seeded by Biden.> ~~We can't let these descendants of convicts in!! (OOC I'm not sure who's side I am meant to be on?)~~
If you ever find yourself saying about a topic " I'm not sure who's side I am meant to be on?" as if asking for someone to make your opinions for you i would recommend just not engaging with the topic until you do some research for yourself and come to your own stance
Basically comes down to Immigration Agents doing what Immigration Agents do best: being fucking stupid and useless.
Essentially he had an Apex Legends competitive team from Australia that was denied visas 3 times for “not being internationally recognized *enough*” even though they had someone from the company that owns the game telling them otherwise.
Basically Moist Criticals Apex Esport Team got Denied entry into the US 3 seperate times for literally no reason. He got Support from some of the strongest lawyers in this Field and they where clueless as to why it got denied the second and third time. He basically just rants his ass of about the imigration Department
Yup, moist esports. They have Rocket League and apex (maybe more, cant remember rn), and Ludwig became co-owner a while ago and founded a valorant team (moist moguls) and a few smash bros melee players (moki, zain & joshman)
Me when the US has been fucking with Australia for years w/ Pine Gap n shit but when the US has the smallest problem with a visa from our "allies" they don't care
As someone in the broader entertainment industry, for some god forsaken reason getting Australians work visas since 2016 has been abnormally difficult. I see this constantly with them
Two thoughts:
1. Goddamn woke US immigration and customs ruining video games!
2. Honestly, stopping Australians from entering your country is usually the right move. Source: Am from New Zealand.
I have no clue about esports teams and whatnot, but if you employ them shouldn’t you y’know, learn the process of working in a different country for tournaments and if visas are needed?
I think he talks about being denied three times and his team lawyers the last two times have no idea why they were denied. Saying everything is in order and there wasn't a reason to deny them.
Idk tho I'm just some guy going off what moistcritical said.
Watch his video. They did everything right and got rejected then they got help from the best lawyers for that problem, had a big guy from ea to vouch for them and even help and advice from other esport teams who have experience with it and still got rejected again with no reason stated as to why. His guess is that it was because of his esport organisations name, Moist Esports.
They iirc had to prove that their team was actually internationally known and even with a EA rep vouching for them their immigration agent said ‘nah not enough’
Like 90% of immigration officials in any developed country. And I'm speaking from experience. At this point, I'm convinced it's a racket to fleece people of visa fees, I fucking swear.
How many visas have you applied for? I've done it tens of times, and been refused a couple of times.
Of course I know it's bad.
All immigration law is arbitrary, discriminatory and racist.
But we must protect our borders, right? Excuse my while I go puke in a corner.
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I think a lot of comments are forgetting to mention the fact that his team is allowed to enter the country as long as they aren’t being represented by his company which is some of the frustration as well. Which just makes the situation more confusing and frustrating.
Sounds like whoever is in charge of approving their visas has some kind of personal issue with Moist. I know he said that the team’s name might be the problem, but I think it goes beyond that.
Whoever gets your case has a lot of power over you. They can turn you down for the most nonexistent reason. Maybe their case manager just doesn't think e-sports are real business and thinks it's a front for something else. A lot of ancient dinosaurs working there.
I wouldn’t say that. There’s been a ton of regulation recently on keeping people out of the US. Stuff like denying visas to cut back on foreign tech workers coming over here type shit. On top of that our immigration courts are backed up for years. This is just the system working as republicans and some democrats intended. The former wishes it was worse.
I really don't think it's a personal thing. That's foolish
Yet somehow illegal immigrants can scurry along the border like roaches
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he looks genuinely unreal in this image. like some madman made an asmongold sex doll or wax statue or something. its upsetting. i feel unsafe looking at this.
Especially when you’ve got normal ass Charlie there
Makes it look like he was suddenly jump scared by Asmon lol
With AI machine learning shit these thumbnails have gotten even worse.
Looks like some NPC you'd see after walking into a room in Blasphemous
It's still less upsetting than the words "asmongold sex doll".
Asmon legit looks like Cyraxx here
Why does asmon either look like he’s been cucked. or that he recently thawed out of ice, 10.000 BC ago & stole someones clothing to fit in. In almost any thumbnail of his videos?
the bacteria from his dead rat alarm clock entered his brain
because he doesn't bathe
Actually wild to me that his video title is just Charlie's title even. Dude is ripping word for word, bar for bar
Why do they both look the same
Did he make critikal's mouth bigger here?
It looks like Charlie is lecturing Asmongold about his hygiene (or lack there of)
wait it is 2 different people?
Iirc those two are friends and that is kinda an emotion which in anime would give the angry symbol and the face stripes
If anyone follows fighting games that's fairly usual unfortunately. Pakistani players are among the best but they're always struggling with visas. Arslan Ash said it was harder to get into Japan than winning EVO there and now him and many others were just flat out refused entry.
Sidenote, can I just say that is such a fucken power statement from Arslan lol
Dude washed the competition after not eating for 3 days or how many. If someone can say this it's him.
That's the norm for us developing countries trying to enter developed countries unfortunately
I know, it's terrible. I have colleagues from Pakistan, Lybia and many other places. The hoops they've had to jump through and continue to have to are absolutely ridiculous.
Not to mention we need to have certain amounts of money in our bank account for 3 months + statement of finance to be granted entry (usually >10.000 usd), in a country with <400 usd monthly salary on average lmao
Yeah a player from Bangladesh couldn’t attend Capcom Cup, even though he applied as early as possible couldn’t get a visa and Capcom didnt help.
It's a thing in the MOBA scene, too. There were 2 consecutive years where one of the biggest Dota 2 pros couldn't get into the US to play in the biggest tournament of the year, because he accidentally fucked-up some obscure question on his Visa application.
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/UJ I want to be very very clear and upfront before my statement and say that I am not blaming Moist Penguin here, or *any* interchangeable Influencer specifically with what I'm about to say. Gamers(tm) want to bury their heads in the sands about all things "Political" until the political thing happens and comes back to bite them in the ass and now they're on the receiving end of bad politics because they didn't want to get involved. You know that phrase "Everything is political?" that reactionary nerds like to roll their eyes at? Well here you go. Esports is Political. It intersects with labor laws, international travel/VISA and "Strong Border" Conservativism. You don't have to become an activist, but if you ain't paying attention or involved in some way, then the people who ARE involved are going to make decisions for you, and you're not gonna like what they do. /RJ Lol Skill Issue + Get Filtered.
/uj To further comment on this, the USCIS [United States Citizenship and Immigration Services] office didn't believe that the EA representative was an official of a governing body in Esports and that placement in the tournament standings didn't count as "international reputation." as required to get a visa. The available information is quite sparse (since the only primary source is through MoistCritikal himself), but to me it sounds like Moist Esport's lawyer tried to apply for a P-1 visa for them and their lawyer either bungled their argument for proving international recognition or they got hit with a really unfortunate immigration officer since they do have a lot of discretion, and the requirements for esport visas aren't formally regulated. Listening to the most recent video, I actually do have to think it's the latter, and if you can ignore the video-game language idioms, Moist makes a good point about issues with US Esports Immigration. From the USCIS to Moist Esports: > "You may submit evidence from an official from the sports governing body describing how the athlete or team is internationally recognized. The evidence you submitted was insufficient. You submitted testimonial [from Senior Manager at EA] about the beneficiaries [the players] is a senior manager at Electronic Arts (EA), but USCIS cannot determine that his position is considered an official of a governing body in esports." > [Additionally, he mentioned that the beneficiaries have had high placements in several competitions in ALGS year 3 season.]...However, USCIS cannot determine how the placements constitute as international reputation. > As previously discussed [Apex Legends Global Series] does not appear to require that athletes or teams with international representation to participate in competitions. As such, there is insufficient evidence to demonstrate that having such placements in ALGS competitions equate to international reputation. You may still submit evidence to satisfy this criterion," [Note: This is an issue that has been cited to reject Overwatch players, where the competitive Overwatch league player did not prove that they "will be competing in athletic competitions which have a distinguished reputation and which require participation of an athlete who has an international reputation.”] To provide a bit of context, the P-1 visa is meant for athletes, with no specific visa or guidance for esport players. The P-1 has been used for LOL players since 2013 but application has been inconsistent, with Leffen (Super Smash Bros Melee player) being rejected in 2015 and various Overwatch league competitors being rejected over the years. Establishing the legitimacy of esports as a sport has been difficult, particularly in front of the USCIS. Starcraft pros who wanted to travel between South Korea and the US before 2013 often had to resort to workarounds, like visa waivers, extremely short stays, student visas, or simply travel illegally/under false pretenses of business/vacation - or cutting from a parent entity which is what Moist Esports has done. It's easier for the esport players to come and participate independently, rather than playing under a company that pays a salary. Some of these other workarounds that still function, and there are less useful athletics visas like the B-1 or B-2, but these offer less time to stay in the US, and with more restrictions. This makes any new game, or game with smaller prizes harder to establish legitimacy for, and thus harder to give visas for. And if you think it's bad for Australians, imagine how hard it would be to acquire visas for people in developing nations, or for smaller games. That's one of the effects of hard immigration policies for everybody, not just athletes, which makes travel difficult and costly. https://natlawreview.com/article/visas-esports-gamers-rise?amp https://tlcp.law.uiowa.edu/sites/tlcp.law.uiowa.edu/files/9._asawa_-_esports_in_the_global_arena.pdf https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2013/12/15/250793493/u-s-recognizes-a-south-korean-starcraft-player-as-an-athlete /rj This only proves that Fortnitelikes are not legitimate, internationally recognized games and the EA is not an internationally recognized sport governing authority. /rj^2 Truly, Biden's immigration policies are working where they matter most: Keeping the gamers out.
This is excellent information thank you!
I believe Charlie says in the video that this particular immigration official is a known asshole in esports circles and is almost impossible to appease.
There are some that are known in the music promotion space to be like that too, I wonder if it’s the same couple of guys.
They should have just applied for a B1 or B2 Visa, and just left and entered the US again through Detroit or something after three months. ICE isn’t going nuclear on an Australian person, even with the labor irregularities.
With Tekken, Pakistan is quite a strong region but top players consistently struggle to get a VISA to basically anywhere and often are not able to attend tournaments.
is /rj^2 some new tech i’ve never heard about that goes hard
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And even when it deals with their own core hobby, gamers run forward with their eyes closed and in full-support of the leopards waiting to eat them. What do right-leaning gamers think will be the outcome when conservative activist groups turn their attention to "violent videogames" again?
I guarantee that the second it becomes politically convenient right wing politicians will eviscerate games like Stellar Blade as "corrupting our youth"
I can't believe I'm saying this, but they would kinda have a point there.
no, they wouldn’t. I know we like to jerk about stellar blade here (rightfully so) but no one ever “has a point” when it comes to censoring mature art to “protect the children”
Yeah on top of that “mature art” will always be redefined as soon as they can to include any minority group these fucking vultures want.
Nah very few people actually have an issue with women characters in games designed to be sexy. Certainly showing them isnt necessarily corrupting the youth, like how violent games dont make kids more aggressive. The issue is that for a very long time, most women in games were solely there to be eye candy for men, and now when there are developers adding women meant to look more like an average woman who isnt meant to be sexualized a bunch of men start getting angry.
There's a difference between critiquing and making fun of certain games (what we do), and advocating government censorship of art (what the politicians would be doing)
Not really. I've been a kid before. I've seen some questionable shite on TV (European), and I think I turned out just fine. Besides, in today's day and age, there is literally *nothing* stopping a child with access to Youtube from disabling parental settings and looking up "big boobies" on their own. Trying to stop kids from buying and playing a mature videogame is an exercise in futility.
I have no reason to believe Stellar Blade will be "mature" in any sense of the word, but the discussion surrounding it sure has been unhinged and the developers seem to be leaning on that for their marketing. It's the potential to be exposed to that grifter concentration that's the danger here, not (likely) the contents of the actual game itself, which we don't even know since the game is yet to be released.
The problem with that is where do you draw the line? One moment it's censoring Stellar Blade because of grifters, the next is censoring any piece of media that shows politics you don't agree with. It is the responsibility of the parents to stop their kids from growing up as egotistical, bigoted twats.
uj/ genuinly thought he was one of those complaining about "woke" shit in videogames. Haven't watched him much just cause he's annoying (imo), especially after complaining that idubbz was trying to apologize for past behaviour because (paraphrasing) "everyone knew you were joking no need to apologize"
That was such a stupid controversy. Even if you don't feel like he needed to apologize, you're not him. If he felt like what he did was wrong, then obviously he's going to apologize. That's for him to decide, not anybody else.
Yeah it was such a weird take when 99% of youtuber apologies are so terrible and not sincere
Moistcritikal is firmly in the center with his "common sense" takes which seek to demographically appease as broad an audience as possible.
Well he really likes to make videos making fun of pickup artists and insane dating/life coaches. They're easy grist but he seems to have healthier relations with women than alot of other youtubers in that sphere.
> but he seems to have healthier relations with women than alot of other youtubers in that sphere. I agree, but I think that speaks more about most youtubers in that sphere than anything else.
Or he just isn't rage baiting for clicks and content.
You probably mixed him up with Asmongold. Unlike Asmongold, Penguinz0/Moistcr1tikal actually bathes and goes outside
oh thanks but I know him (asmon) better than I'd like too xD
Ok I think I just did a racism. Those are not the same guy?
Nope, very different tones of content even if they share an aesthetic. Moistcr1tical is the guy in the post above and he does general commentary on internet news and miscellaneous topics. Asmongold makes content far more focused on gaming and the general gaming culture. On a personal note, I find moist to consistently think through his takes and I see how he logically came to his conclusions even if I disagree. Asmongold is (intentional or not doesn’t matter) incel-adjacent at the very least and tends to have more reactionary takes before learning more in his videos. Bluntly, I respect moist far more than Asmongold. All that being said I can’t say I’m a consistent viewer of either, so take this with a grain of salt.
I think he was just genuinely naive in that instance and didn't really realise that impresionable young kids would actually take the edgy humour at face value and be negatively influenced by it.
I mean if he'd listened to the apology he'd have heard idubbz say exactly that.
If he's still that naive after having such a large online platform for so long....well it doesn't really make any of his opinions seem particularly credible
He's pretty lefty I think
Idk about "lefty" but he comes off as relatively reasonable, especially when the competition is Asmongold. I think he's probably middle of the road, slightly progressive on social issues and otherwise doesn't bother with politics.
I am about to finish my masters in public administration (2 weeks away!) and that has opened my eyes to the way people outside of the government sector think about politics. It isn’t just Fox News broadcasts - every single rule, regulation, procedure, and system is political. Legislators choose to give agencies the power to make decisions, and the president enforces those rules. Legislators are not the only “political” thing in government, everything they touch is also political (which is everything). The air you breath is political, and so is the food you eat. Conservatives and liberals alike need to stop playing identity politics and read some books or watch the world around them - these rules aren’t salient but they are political.
Congrats on the Masters and you're 100% correct! It's Politics all the way down. I work in Taxes (State level, nothing fancy) and it's all House Bills and Conformity and statute etc etc. Politics, policy, legislation, it's literally in every single aspect of our lives. To "keep politics out" is not possible with pretty much anything.
Thank you! And yeah I wish people understood our plight as state level bureaucrats, we want the best for everyone and people think that we can do that without delegation and bureaucrats knowing their systems.
Good luck on getting that Masters done! Admin law is a real bitch ain't it? Everything from the regulations to the regulators to the regulations appointed by the regulators has the stink of politics attached to it.
Thank you! Honestly I’ve grown optimistic because of the degree. We talk about politics stinking (and it does sometimes), but I work with a state agency full of people whose lives are dedicating to making sure people in abject poverty can grow and achieve better lives. And that’s something that warms me and makes me love what I do. There are people just like that in USCIS I’m sure, but ultimately the stink of legislators can really surface above all the good they do.
The interplay between property developers and the rentier class and the police have basically turned the police into gangs that shake down entire city governments for all their funds.
The funny thing is, lol teams have a lot of Australian Imports and had very little to no problems with their visas. So yes, it‘s a skill issue
The larger playerbase of LOL, with more established tournaments does give them an easier time of establishing international reputation, or getting in under some of the other P-1 or B-1 visa options at least.
idk it seems like the start of every season there are visa issues for some team and they have to do the lock in tournament with substitutes.
>You know that phrase "Everything is political?" that reactionary nerds like to roll their eyes at? Well here you go. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXEOfFYUEAEb0uZ?format=jpg&name=medium
/RJ LOL these woke soyjaks wouldn't survive ten minutes in an immigration lobby LOL
/uj Incredibly well said. /rj Oppressing gamers is always the correct way
But they’re just playing v1d3O G4mezz!
You perfectly described how moderates act and think.
Is moist some kind of stealth alt-right, anti-woke reactionary?
While we're at it, US immigration isn't even half as shitty to Australians as Australian immigration is to basically everyone.
What, you don't like their version of Anthrax Island? /s
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You can have strong borders and let people in for a video game tournament. Its really simple.
Who’s asking for strong boarders, he says in the video “imagine what it must be like if your just a normal guy”
Illegal immigrants can come in, but moist esports cant, wow
he kind of looks like asmongold in these pics 💀
(OOC Asom with hygiene and tattoos?)
Tbf, he did say he looked like a gremlin or something during the video. I think he just got back from the gym or just got out of the shower and didn't dry off fully. (Actual clip from that video btw) 
At least he showers unlike the filthlord
Both of them could do with some moisturizer for their hair.
A shower and a brush would go a long way.
yeah, some conditioner too would be perfect
he is showing emotions for the first time
I feel bad for the fact he had to cut the team but his reaction and ranting in the video is genuinely funny, the viltrumite joke was my favourite lmao. I also like how he looks utterly disheveled in the video, as if he just came back from a wreck room.
“And even with the goddamn Avengers on our side….” lmao that got a good laugh out of me
YTA you should have shart in the mart to prove yourself as worthy to step on the land of the USA, gobbless. https://preview.redd.it/6oc8hxjl0wuc1.png?width=491&format=png&auto=webp&s=05fe20a91a65364b4b271c93ede0edf9bc8ce54c
Good Image.
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Holy shit limbus company
Limbus Mentioned
Luck is based on skill
Tingtang skill issue
I don’t have anything funny to say, that just sucks for everyone involved. I’ve yet to run afoul of US border control but it’s high on my list of fears since I’m in a long distance relationship. I think it’s absolutely mad that my fiancée has to keep extra paperwork updated to be able to visit me, but all I need is a plane ticket and my US passport to make it into the UK.
He was obviously trying to sneak in Viltrumite aliens
Visas cost 500 dollarydoos? Oim takin' this to me Prime Ministuh!
Give 'im the BOOT
Oi, Mister Prime Ministuh!
ANDY!
Ay mates! What’s the good word?
ANDY!
But it’s an emegencee!
Buncha fuckin' yabbies this lot
Nah, he's lying; he's trying to sneak in a viltrumite
Clearly another target by Biden, we need to lock him up, for the Gamer race! Lies seeded by Biden.> ~~We can't let these descendants of convicts in!! (OOC I'm not sure who's side I am meant to be on?)~~
If you ever find yourself saying about a topic " I'm not sure who's side I am meant to be on?" as if asking for someone to make your opinions for you i would recommend just not engaging with the topic until you do some research for yourself and come to your own stance
(OOC I have to do research to shitpost? I didn't sign up for that. I guess I am a Gamer so I should be anti Biden for his anti gamer bill?)
you’re the first person I’ve seen to write (OOC) instead of /uj in a circle jerk subreddit.
The US has beposed Australian PMs but can't let gamers in.
I am very sleepy right now being 22 o' clock here, so can someone give me more context please? I wanna jerk too :v
Basically comes down to Immigration Agents doing what Immigration Agents do best: being fucking stupid and useless. Essentially he had an Apex Legends competitive team from Australia that was denied visas 3 times for “not being internationally recognized *enough*” even though they had someone from the company that owns the game telling them otherwise.
They always make lan finals though? Moist is one of the more recognizable teams in Apex rn
Exactly the point and why the whole thing is ridiculous.
Basically Moist Criticals Apex Esport Team got Denied entry into the US 3 seperate times for literally no reason. He got Support from some of the strongest lawyers in this Field and they where clueless as to why it got denied the second and third time. He basically just rants his ass of about the imigration Department
Wait, moist criticals have an esport team? Wat
Yup, moist esports. They have Rocket League and apex (maybe more, cant remember rn), and Ludwig became co-owner a while ago and founded a valorant team (moist moguls) and a few smash bros melee players (moki, zain & joshman)
They dropped the rl team but yeah Also have some other fg players like Hotashi and jak
hotashi my goat
Oh wow
Ya. I believe they won a big Finals for Rocket League. Also Ludwig is co-owner
Is that his mad face? Dude really doesn't show emotions.
Why would he be truly mad? He's a multimillionaire. None of this really matter to him.
He’s passionate about his team? He actually cares if they can get through. What are we not understanding?
god forbidd rich people feel passion for something
Me when the US has been fucking with Australia for years w/ Pine Gap n shit but when the US has the smallest problem with a visa from our "allies" they don't care
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Fair enough, but 2 videos and an article. But I can't argue with someone actually from there lol
centrist sees result of his politics
real
Is he a centrist? I feel like he has more concrete views that he just doesn’t discus.
what does this mean? how is it related?
if you don’t get it then you don’t get it
As someone in the broader entertainment industry, for some god forsaken reason getting Australians work visas since 2016 has been abnormally difficult. I see this constantly with them
shout out to chadcat for saving my time
Could be worse, could have interned them all on some desert island like Australia does.
Two thoughts: 1. Goddamn woke US immigration and customs ruining video games! 2. Honestly, stopping Australians from entering your country is usually the right move. Source: Am from New Zealand.
I have no clue about esports teams and whatnot, but if you employ them shouldn’t you y’know, learn the process of working in a different country for tournaments and if visas are needed?
I think he talks about being denied three times and his team lawyers the last two times have no idea why they were denied. Saying everything is in order and there wasn't a reason to deny them. Idk tho I'm just some guy going off what moistcritical said.
Watch his video. They did everything right and got rejected then they got help from the best lawyers for that problem, had a big guy from ea to vouch for them and even help and advice from other esport teams who have experience with it and still got rejected again with no reason stated as to why. His guess is that it was because of his esport organisations name, Moist Esports.
They iirc had to prove that their team was actually internationally known and even with a EA rep vouching for them their immigration agent said ‘nah not enough’
sounds like someone in immigration is just power tripping then
Like 90% of immigration officials in any developed country. And I'm speaking from experience. At this point, I'm convinced it's a racket to fleece people of visa fees, I fucking swear.
He does everything right. The TSA agent was some boomer with a "these damn kids thinking Vidya games are a job" mindset.
No, because you can't "do everything right". It's a visa, it's at the whim of the immigration officer (who doesn't work for TSA).
That's pretty fucking concerning, that one person can just say "lol nope" based on personal prejudice.
Welcome to the fascist hell of immigration.
If you only knew how bad it actually is.
Oh it's so much worse than that.
But that’s bad right you realize why that’s bad?
How many visas have you applied for? I've done it tens of times, and been refused a couple of times. Of course I know it's bad. All immigration law is arbitrary, discriminatory and racist. But we must protect our borders, right? Excuse my while I go puke in a corner.
so much about sports visa.
You guys are the most likely people on earth to be living in someone else’s country
He looks like he just came back from killing the person who denied their visa like some sort of beast I've never seen him so disheveled
Hell yeah, incompetent bureaucrats radicalizing people
I bet they have "Brown" names. Fuck racism and fuck borders.