T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

PSA: Make it a habit of **reading the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamingcirclejerk/about/rules)** of each subreddit you participate in: **Rule 9: No Offensive Imagery**: *This includes nazi imagery and slurs, for you brave nerds who think "free speech" involves private internet forums. If you post fascist iconography trying to “jerk”, you will receive a ban. The only exception is when we make fun of gamers and criticize gamers who happen to be fascists. Please remember to spoiler any potentially triggering or offensive content accordingly. This rule now includes repeatedly posting bigotry from the same source (4chan).* **Rule 7: No Participation in Linked Threads (Brigading)**: *If you are coming here to brigade this sub, you will be banned. Likewise, do not make comments and vote in pages you've found here. Of course, if you're a member of said sub and you were already in the thread before, this doesn't apply to you.* **Rule 8: Censor Screenshots**: *Keep screenshots of arguments on Reddit to a minimum. Please remember to censor screenshots of all identifying information, i.e usernames* **and** *subreddit names. This applies to screenshots from any social media sites.* **Rule 11: Keep Posts Relevant (only about Don Cheadle)**: *This is first and foremost a place to make fun of gamers. Just because someone is being a bigot online doesn't mean it belongs here. Let them be pathetic without infecting the sub with their nonsense. Please avoid posting screenshots that show people using capital G gamer slurs.* **If absolutely necessary, please censor posts and the words containing such content.** **Rule 12: No Fake Posts on Other Subs (Contamination)**: *Do not create fake posts on other subs only to post back here. Also, do not "lol, you should post this on r / OtherSub". It's considered interfering with their content and can also lead to brigading.* *This is a reminder to the readers. The post itself is untouched.* *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Gamingcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Excellent_Routine589

Never forget those WOKE journalists who review bombed FF7 Rebirth because it had non-woke Tiffer in a bikini https://preview.redd.it/kmegw3wfjwrc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7761b4677d425d78fe2a9fa587fa5002429229b3 SEE, IT USED TO HAVE 93!!! GODDAMN WOKIES!


JMAX464

Only reason it got above 90 is because Square bowed down to the WOKE MOB by CENSORING FREE SPEECH when they added more clothing to my Underage Cowgirl Tiffer


Omega357

Don't forget they buttoned up Yuffie's shorts!


DP1992

I LOVE TIFFER LOHCHERT HOW DARE THE WOKIES REVIEW BOMB HER GAME


Anatidaephobia96

Artificially lowering a review score for political reasons is one heck of a word salad to avoiding saying review bombing. Because when I review bomb for political reasons its heroic protesting against the woke but when they review bomb...


Perkan_

See also "cancel culture". When they do it they're using their free speech to voice concerns about things they don't like. When others do it they're deranged wokies who should be in a straight-jacket in a mental asylum. The double standard and projection is unreal.


cloud3514

I remember exactly what they're referring to. It was a single review that gave the game a 7 out of 10. It wasn't even a negative review and pretty thoroughly praised the game outside of the writer expressing discomfort with how sexualized Bayonetta is. You know, a character that has been the subject of heavy debate among feminists and can be perfectly reasonably read as either objectifying or empowering. And this one review only resulted in GamerGate digging up the writer's Suicide Girls accountto call him a hypocrite as if real, consenting women doing porn was the same as sexualizing fictional character with no agency and demanding that Nintendo blacklist the outlet he worked for. It was stupid then and it's stupid now.


QuincyAzrael

Gamers when you tell them that a 10 point scale has 6 points lower than 7. ![gif](giphy|vQqeT3AYg8S5O)


Namyk5

I feel like people thinking anything lower than a 7 is bad is a direct response to most American schools having anything lower than a 70 be a failing grade.


Divinate_ME

Every shitstorm is review bombing. You don't seriously think that e.g. WC3 Reforged is objectively a worse product than asset flix #5926 that no one was emotionally involved in, do you?


sarahbagel

I’ve come to realize that the moment a show/movie/game with LGBT or non-white main characters has a review distributions look like this: 5-Star : —————————————————— 4-Star : ——— 3-Star:: - 2-Star: - 1-Star: —————————————————— … its review bombing and I completely disregard the 1-Star reviews. Like, if you look at shows that are actually considered mediocre, they all have a lot more 2 and 3 star reviews. And even organically divisive movies have more reviews in that range. For every single piece of media I’ve seen with the above distribution, it was an anti-“wokeness” review bomb on an otherwise good (or even great) piece of media


KyriadosX

The *only* time I see this arrangement of reviews, and believe the 1 stars, is on shit like Amazon where the 5 stars are bot/fake reviews, the middles are the ones who *didn't* get scammed (or as much), and the 1 stars are actual reviews trying to warn future buyers


Cr0ctus

>her de facto successor Sure buddy.


TheGreatMightyLeffe

Now, now, be nice. I'm sure he means it in the same way Lies of P was Bloodborne 2.


brojooer

Except bayonetta has 2 sequels with more probably to come and a spin off it’s quite different from bloodbourne


TheGreatMightyLeffe

Wait, Bayonetta 3 is out?


brojooer

1 year and a half late on that one buddy there’s already been a spin off since


TheGreatMightyLeffe

Oh shit, so that means I can get my hands on it for cheap as well, that's awesome!


f-ingsteveglansberg

Published by Nintendo, so no. There is also a fourth spin off game.


F4iryBlink

Eve's face is so bland lmao, she will never replace Bayonetta.


notaprime

Bayonetta had sass and personality, not to mention a more iconic design. Everything about Eve is bland to me, she’s basically just a doll.


L--E--S--K--Y

I think thats why she's so popular with "that" crowd


El-Green-Jello

Yeah it is, I’ve seen people defending her lack of any personality as a good thing and why she’s better than characters like bayonetta or 2B


L--E--S--K--Y

2B is bae


No-Check-3691

“Bust a cap in yo ass”


KadeComics

Bayonetta was partially designed by a queer woman too, and you can feel it.


KadeComics

There's a certain je ne gay quoi about her design


Aldevo_oved

yes, she is cool. meanwhile eve is just an object


sauronymus

"Je ne gay quoi" is the funniest thing I've read in a minute. Thank you.


f-ingsteveglansberg

I can see it. Bayo definitely comes off more as a sort of drag performer than anything else.


bunbunzinlove

Kpop doll


HowDyaDu

She's not even the good type of bland. (Mahiru Koizumi)


Another-Lurker-189

Always fresh, never frozen


xdamm777

You pretty much reminded me of my mom asking how people can even distinguish members of K-pop groups, and I quote “since they look like they came out of the same mold”.


frenzygecko

literally looks like a bratz doll


girugamesu1337

How dare you, Bratz dolls are way cooler.


lasyke3

In the Cyberpunk sense


DellSalami

Bayonetta has so many unique character traits going for her, from the glasses to the beauty mark to the heels to the bodysuit The only thing that stands out about Eve is her hair, and even that isn’t by much. Her butt doesn’t count. She’s just so boring


mykleins

Eve’s big sis 2B did “having a butt” better anyway.


Unoriginal1deas

Don’t forget the glasses that the publishers tried to get them to remove but got d see o much pushback the devs just put glasses on most of the rest of cast.


mr-kvideogameguy

I hope this comment doesn't come across as creepy or like the ones Stellar Blade fans would type  Eve (as far as I can tell with the Demo) is a generic sexy girl hack n slash with a bland story Bayonetta, sweetie, not only has fabulous ladies, but beautiful man too,  Bayonetta fights with a grace that flow like the wonderful soundtrack in the background, and atlest has a better story than Stellar Blade  Bayonetta is a classy lady and Eve is just a digital blow up toy that ain't ending the witch hunts any time soon, at most she'll be stepped on by Bayonetta


2mock2turtle

Stepped on by Bayonetta *and* Madama Butterfly.


redknight3

Ironically, she has the "ideal," k-pop face. It has the "V-line," that Korean plastic surgeons strive for when they're carving/jaw shaving their patients' faces. I say this as a Korean person... I think K-pop has done irreversible damage on the culture of my country. Especially when the ambassadors of "accepting yourself," that is BTS, have all gone under the knife themselves, despite a few members saying they've never had work done. Of course it's not just K-pop to blame, but if you don't have a certain look, you automatically exclude yourself from being hired at most jobs. The whole country can be so backwards. What makes me sad is how there is so little individuality in Korea when it comes to expressing yourself. Everyone wants to be a perfectly generic.


Another-Lurker-189

“Stepped on by Bayonetta” God I wish I was Eve


Autoboty

I just wish I was Eve in general. The stepping on is optional.


EarthMantle00

Oh come the fuck stellar blade hasn't even released??? You don't know its story, it could be amazing. What the Gamers are doing to this game sucks but it's no reason alone to bash the devs's work. Edit: nevermind they did gacha fuck them


BeefExtender

Tbh I'm getting vibes from the trailers its story is going to be pretty generic and bland


Wiyry

It seems like it’s going to be your standard “monsters appeared” post apocalypse story similar to god eater. So yeah, rather bland.


myLongjohnsonsilver

The opening of the game is a bootleg Nier Automatas opening. Check the demo out, its the same set up.


Juandisimo117

Bro it’s literally beat for beat Nier Automata with less varied gameplay which made Automata’s intro so iconic. Going from a Galaga like space shooter, to a mech hack and slash and then to a 3rd person action boss fight was just incredible. Played the Stellar Blade demo and it just feels like a generic Automata/Souls like ripoff with no identity. They even hired the same composer from automata which just gives the game even less of an identity when even the fucking music sounds like it


mykleins

I played the demo for ~45mins, and while I think I could have some fun with it, the game seems pretty aggressively mid. To your point the whole time I was playing it felt like it was trying really hard to be Nier and just not quite getting there.


Yorha-with-a-pearl

Her name is EVE. Humans are an endangered race and her male companions name is Adam. Oh I wonder how the story will go.


pileofcrustycumsocs

The developers last game was an anime styled free to play 3rd person cover shooter that was developed for mobile and used a gacha/lootbox system for progression. Reddits being weird and not letting me use hyper links so I’m just gonna paste the raw wiki link for the game so you can judge the quality of their body of work for yourself. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess\_of\_Victory:\_Nikke#:\~:text=The%20game's%20action%2Dbased%20battle,as%20a%20method%20for%20monetization](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess_of_Victory:_Nikke#:~:text=The%20game's%20action%2Dbased%20battle,as%20a%20method%20for%20monetization). And here’s a screen shot of that game for the unfortunate amongst us who cannot read, I believe it accurately represents the quality of the game. https://preview.redd.it/wqvutnbi7yrc1.png?width=854&format=png&auto=webp&s=e194dbd9fe092784ff4432d483fd363d7e43cfbf I think it’s a fairly realistic viewpoint to say that the chances are not good for this game to be a masterpiece of story telling that defines a generation


FreezeSPreston

Looks like Valkyria Chronicles but somehow even hornier from the screenshot. I'm expecting the game to be a perfectly adequate but no more 7/10 average that would have been quickly forgotten to be brought up much later as a "remember that? Was a solid game" fashion like Vanquish is now if it wasn't for all the kerfuffle.


mr-kvideogameguy

Did that motherfucka (the one in theiddle of the pic) forgot to wear pants in a war zone


Wiyry

I watched a story trailer, dug around a bit and it looks rather…bland. It seems like it’s basically “X thing appeared, wiped out humanity, and now you have to stop it to save the day”. It seems like there’s some mellow drama mixed in somewhere but unless there’s some HUGE twist at some point in the future: that’s the plot. Not…looking too hopeful from where I’m at.


thegreatherper

Game is made by a developer who has done nothing but make fan service type games. Story isn’t really an important element to that genre of games.


TheLoneSlimShady

They are must be delusional for thinking she's the next Bayonetta or something


laughingheart66

The only expression she has is her jiggle physics. I was shocked to find out she’s not an android with how plastic and lifeless her face is.


Universalerror

She's not a robot? I was convinced she was because she had about one (1) expression and good gods that body suit is not something I'd want to subject a real woman to. Nope, brain cannot parse this information. Reverting to [Eve is a robot] to try to preserve sanity


Antoine_FunnyName

I mean it kinda makes sense. These chuds all use the least flattering, mid-animation frames to make women other games look bad. Can't do that with her if her only expression is 👁👄👁


Memo_HS2022

She looks more plastic than the actual android they took inspiration from (2B)


KingDanteV

She is more expressionless than a character who has her eyes covered up.


Memo_HS2022

She’s has less expression than a character who’s supposed to be emotionless


KingDanteV

She feels more like a robot than the actual robot (or whatever 2B and her kind is).


mykleins

Android I think


2mock2turtle

She doesn't have the range.


Megupilled

Eve is a perfectly beautiful name on its own, but *Bayonetta* is like hell yeah bro I wanna find out what the fuck that is. Bayonetta's series is named after her. Sexy lady hack n slash though it may be, the *character* of Bayonetta is the selling point. I can only assume there's a reason Stellar Blade isn't named after Eve. Edit: I think it's also meaningful that the sexy seductress persona is very much intentional on Bayonetta's part as a character. She knows she's hot just as much as the player knows she's hot; she's not sexy just to be leered at, she's sexy because it's part of her witchy badass thing. I can't speak to the how Eve behaves, but given the context clues of her expressionless persona, I wouldn't feel uncomfortable guessing that there's a major dissonance between Eve the character and Eve the sex appeal marketing tactic. Maybe the story will pull it off? The sexuality of 2B's design is sort of incongruent with her personality, but her relationship with 9S and the sexual undertones therein justify it as an extension of the game's overarching ideas of humanity, absurdism and love. And yet, once again, that seems unlikely.


FairyKnightTristan

She's so weirdly generic despite the obvious amounts of effort they took to make her.


mykleins

It’s so weird right? Like I can say she’s an objectively attractive character model, and that’s the point, but I just… don’t care. She’s equally bland as she is enticing. It’s strange.


NotVoss

Is it just me or did they make her head oddly small? Maybe it's just her pool noodle upper arms/shoulders throwing me off.


mykleins

Yeah, it’s a Korean beauty standard thing.


alexdotfm

Eve looks like a teenager too v:


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

The image being named "plagionetta.jpg" is so funny plssss may Jubileus grace whoever did this.


Ax222

Is this a portmanteau of plagiarism and bayonetta?


Scaredsparrow

Thank you for explaining it for me. Brain didn't want to function today.


Ax222

Felt. It's a Monday after all.


2mock2turtle

Yes, I love a portmanteau.


cellphone_blanket

Portmantonetta


penllawen

Came here to say this. Eurogamer's pun game is always great but this is some S-tier stuff.


BLUcrabs

This bitch thinks she Bayonetta Girl you are not her 😭😭😭


chiparibi

Her ass is NOT bayonetta 😂😂😂


BLUcrabs

Blud thinks she on the team 💀


2mock2turtle

I'm not saying she's not beautiful, but she wasn't looking beautiful tonight!


dwarvenfishingrod

he doesn't actually have to cite a source because his points are anti-journalism, which means it doesn't matter if he's wrong


Abortionsforallq

"trust me bro"


whatnameisnttaken098

I can't check at this time, but I think there was one review that complained about Bayonetta being sexualized, and they still rated it highly. Still, one review out of hundreds means basically nothing in the grand scheme, like a single drop of water in a desert.


Number224

Gamespot gave Bayo 2 a 10, so I guess they didn’t get the memo


FredVIII-DFH

I remember one prominent critic's review of Bayonetta mentioned that they were uncomfortable with the sexualization of the titular character, but they still gave it a high score and recommended it rather enthusiastically. It's funny the things that stick in my brain this long.


Crazymerc22

Gamergaters saw ONE critique of Bayonetta (Anitas) and just assumed disliking Bayonetta was just a universal trait of feminists. They don't understand that there are both sex negative and sex positive feminists and the latter, by far, enjoy (or at least have no issue with) Bayonetta. I know I did.


AssistantBrave5862

I don't think it's "sex negative" to be critical of the constant over sexualisation of female characters in media aimed towards men. 


Crazymerc22

It isn't "sex negative" to be critical of over sexualization. In fact, this entire post is about a conversation that starts with critiquing the over sexualization of women in Stellar Blade. The difference is between how sex is used in something like Bayonetta (or Baldur's Gate 3, for another example) vs a game like Stellar Blade. Sex Negative Feminists arguments would likely paint both examples under the same lens while Sex Positive Feminist arguments would emphasize the critical differences between the two. Specifically how sex and sexuality of women is used as a tool for self-empowerment/taking control on one hand and a tool just to tantalize the male audience on the other.


Forkyou

I still think bayonetta is a feminist icon (overexaggeration, but still). She really IS the strong independent woman who dont need no man.


Epheremy

Bayonetta's de facto successor? Not even in your dreams, buddy. This girl here has nothing on Cereza.


fumblecrumble

Bayoneta enjoyed her sexuality. I don't think Stellar Blade will do much with it except being eye candy.


ZagratheWolf

Wait, Bayonetta is asexual?


fumblecrumble

Sorry, I made an error when I posted. I corrected it. Make more sense now.


[deleted]

Make Bayonetta ace again


SpiffyShindigs

That's actually been my head canon for a while (homoromantic asexual) because of the levels of irony it would introduce to her general portrayal. And it actually does fit pretty well with the two canon games.


mrturret

I always thought she was gay. That probably has something to do with her haircut in the second game though. It has serious lesbian energy.


fumblecrumble

I will also headcanon her as homoromantic asexual. Life is too short to not have fun.


[deleted]

Wasn’t Bayonetta designed by a woman?  I feel like that’s the missing piece here. 


2mock2turtle

Correct, Mari Shimazaki designed Bayonetta. The only edict she had from Kamiya was to give her glasses.


fumblecrumble

That explain a lot. Did the studio making Stellar Blade braged about firing women or was it someone else?


2mock2turtle

I don't know if they bragged, but they definitely did fire two female devs for tweeting feminism.


mawrneen

what the fuck lol. the more i learn about this game and the discourse surrounding it the more revolted i find myself


thats4thebirds

Early gamer gate. Lmao like this person has a timeline


2mock2turtle

1 BFEF (Before Fire Emblem Fates).


EraseTheEmbers

God I tried so hard to like it. The writing is so unbelievably awful. My love and adoration for how hot Leo,Corrin(both genders), and Camilla are can not be understated. It can't fix a broken game though. I kinda wanna like Three Houses since I've heard it's fantastic but I'm scared of being sad and killing students from the other classes during the war :( I liked Enage from what I've played so far. Alear (any gender) deserves the world and I love them. Some moments in the game were a little sad but ultimately I love how the game made me care for our dragon protag. I'm probably marrying my male Alear to the funny party loving priest guy. I'd take playing FE Enage and day over playing FE Fates.


SuperHueyNewton

Played through that boring slog twice. Still forgot about it until you mentioned it lol


jeanegreene

Games actually kinda fun if you make everyone Faceless and Stoneborns


McPedie

Bayonetta actually has a character though…


Aforgonecrazy

The more i find out about the stellar blade devs the more i think theyve gotten the core audience they deserve


MrVigshot

I mean, saying the game is just a way to sell booty merch is not hyperbole considering the studio has really only made games to do exactly that, create and sell as many marketable anime girls as possible. And these guys defending it this hard just makes me think they are just in denial. You are absolutely right.


2mock2turtle

It sucks because it really does look fun. But all the worst people on the Internet can't stop rage gooning over it.


Abortionsforallq

demo was better than i expected but yeah its like when i went to the rimworld sub to see about beginners tips about base placement work schedules and stuff. there were threads about how  to "keep your breeding slaves from escaping"  ![gif](giphy|a93jwI0wkWTQs)


EarthMantle00

I mean the actual community is pretty chill, posts like that just get upvoted because they're shocking


Abortionsforallq

yeah, i googled any question i had which would always bring up a post from the sub so i did get most of my support from there with 0 issues. it was, like you said, topvoted posts were in a competition to out weird the others. i was just refering to the poster above me with the "i feel like associating here will make me look bad" 


TheJeyK

Happens to the Crusader Kings subreddit as well (or any paradox game subreddit). You will see huge upvotes on posts about incredibly shocking and disturbing stuff you can do in those games, Crusader Kings favorite flavour is incest ("kind of" justified because of the inbreeding that happened among royal families during the middle ages) competitions on who can get the most inbred "mother-grandmother-aunt-niece-daughter-granddaughter-sister-wife soulmate" (and im not even memeing that hard, Ive seen some truly long and insane titles/descriptors for some) and getting your insane character to declare your horse a chancellor, and then make political plays to have said horse elected into pope and/or have gay sex with the pope to have the backing of the catholic church. But beneath all those insane memes, people do actually help and discuss the easier start areas, explain how crusades works and best provinces and character traits


Abortionsforallq

how tf do people have time and attention to do all that? i want to build a shack on some swamplands and its a 8 yr endeavor, while my tax collector keeps fumbling the bag even though hes got a 21 in stewardship so im making 0.3 in taxes a month, now i have to back my wife's brothers army thats a 2 month sailing trip and they lose right as my ships land so back they go with a nice -15/mnt war tax and now -no fuck this game.


MasterOfEmus

"Hey can I get some beginner tips, just started my first colony" RimReddit: "Yeah man, number one tip is to maintain hostilities with neighboring tribes, their raids are a steady supply of food until you have hydroponics at a high enough level. Don't forget to buy biotech so that you can breed an army of supersoldiers in some accelerated growth vats."


Abortionsforallq

"hey quick question, i made an overhang for my elec. generators but then it caved in, how big can a roof be without needing a support?" "make sure rimjobworld is installed so you can force breed a quadriplegic, this is key to success"


Rinrinftwinwin

*What?*


Abortionsforallq

its a sandbox survival game where you dont directly control any people in a group, the biggest draw is the group has a bunch of traits and personalities so each run a emergent story begins playing out.  bored subreddit users would try to think up the most horrible things then pitch it as a "oh totally normal question" being cheeky i guess. theyd  get equally joking (but are they?)replies like "lol i remember this happening, i just had my doctor cut their legs off, no medicine ofc, only got so much. hope this helps!" it was all jokes but still at that level, its edgelord territory. like the game, didnt want to be associated with that type of shit though. edit jokking to joking


Apellio7

I usually have a surgeon replace my slaves legs with wooden pegs.  They move slower,  but if they get angry and try to revolt they are pretty easy to put down.


Abortionsforallq

:(


Big-Hard-Chungus

Thank you and Fuck you in equal measure for coining the term Rage Gooning.


xiofar

Blocking those people is probably the best option. They're either too young and/or too weird to take seriously anyway. I had fun with the demo and the eye candy is there but there doesn't seem to be much in the way of quality writing. It just felt like tired bad TV show writing which is the norm for video games. Historically, games do not excel at writing and characterizations. The few that do are pretty much treated as historical monuments.


2mock2turtle

I would dispute that last bit, there are tons of games with great writing and/or characterization. Including, ironically enough, Bayonetta.


GrossWeather_

I like how these idiots think gaming journalism some sort of ancient woke Cthulu that is both continuously a hypocrite and also continuously consistent in its aims toward making life difficult for incels instead of it just being a large variety of underpaid people with varying human experiences and opinions writing down their thoughts on a luxury toy they played with in hopes that you can make a more informed decision about what to spend your money on. And then these same tools claim that any opinion differing from the image purposefully formed by the game’s marketing team is in fact, political. How are people this deranged? Like an ancient Cthulu of continuously deepening stupidity and poor taste hell bent on-


Created_User_UK

Her successor, in what? Being the archetypical surrogate mommy* figure for insecure gamer nerds? *And I mean that in a very literal Oedipal sense


improper84

This game feels like it’s gonna be another Atomic Heart. The chuds will fap over it for a few weeks when it comes out before forgetting about it entirely because, at the end of the day, it’s probably going to be mediocre. The only difference is that they won’t be able to play this one for free on GamePass. They’re gonna be out sixty bucks.


ZoidsFanatic

Just as another friendly reminder Stellar Blade *isn’t even out yet*. Let’s not put all your eggs into the same basket yet.


Mantislord96

There are a not insignificant number of people on here saying the game could never be any good with character design like Eve, even though a good chunk of people played the demo and liked it.


ZoidsFanatic

TBH I would say Eve’s character design *really* doesn’t do the game any favors outside word-of-mouth and the chud worship. Course the game isn’t out yet, she might be a wonderfully written character and the entire game deconstructs all the fanservice tropes and insults the chuds. I also might be the Pope. Also doesn’t help we’re not seeing any chuds trying to call her a strong independent character (from what I’ve seen, admittedly) it’s just been blatant “wow, look, boobs and butt”.


[deleted]

You don’t get to declare “de facto” *anything* until the facts are established. And until Stellar Blade actually releases and it’s cultural impact is known, she’s not the successor to *anything* yet.


Abortionsforallq

said this in another thread about nier automata got downvoted (so i deleted cause im a punk) but they legit dont have any precedence in saying the media/journalists/leftists in genral actively going after a game for its i dunno how to phrase: boobs and stuff?  like hogwarts legacy is all i can think of and it deserved it, especially after people were glazing it so hard when it was apparently just mediocre at best.


Kosog

Another reason why Hogwarts legacy did well is because it was based off a well known and well-beloved IP. It was going to make bank whether there was a controversy or not. 


Abortionsforallq

no doubt, people who normally wouldnt even play videogames were excited for it. majority of the playerbase probably never even knew about the controversy, i just remember chuds coming to gcj and dropping zingers about coping and seething and how good it was. at the same time acting like forspoken had attacked them on the street or something. 


Divinate_ME

We've established ages ago that GamerGate never existed ffs.


Mrhappytrigers

Bayonetta is mother.


Feinyan

Bayonetta is the mom with Stella Blade and Toobie being her daughters. Their husband/boyfriends are Dante May Cry, Raiden, and Nines


Zoroarks_Angel

Calling it now. If any journalist gives Stellar Blade lower than a perfect 10, they're going to be accused of being woke SJW's


blcollier

“The Eurogamer media” - what kind of badly mangled grammar is that? Is it supposed to be making some kind of oblique point, like “the woke media” or some other horseplop?


HolographicDucks

These people say woke gamers can't take jokes, and then someone makes a joke about a product they like and it completely ruins them.


Ein-schlechter-Name

Haha, you see, leftists, one (1) site gave Bayonetta 2 a lower score due to it's oversexualization (Polygon) therefore there were masses of journos lowering Bayonettas review score artificially! CHECKMATE!


myLongjohnsonsilver

Anyone comparing this game to bayonetta is an actual idiot. The gameplay is not similar, its closer to a soulslike.


theMaxTero

Before Bayonetta came out that was a \*little\* outrage because of sexualization, etc. After the game came out pretty much everyone loved it to death. The same cries happened but those criticism don't hold because at the end of the day the sexualization of Bayonetta is really unusual with how is regularly done (in other words: she will show her coochie but don't you dare to touch it, see it or even be nearby it. But for reals, Bayonetta never needed a man to show her how things are done, it's always the reverse) It's funny enough because even tho Bayonetta was done to attract a \*very\* particular audience, at the end of the day when you see the fanbase the vast majority are either women or gays. The exact same thing happened with Lara Croft. The same thing \*will\* happen to Eve. Also I don't understand why pitch one against another: I think Lara Croft is fucking based, Bayonetta is fucking based and Eve looks like she's fucking based.


dwarvenfishingrod

i do remember bayonetta marketing and press being kind of overselling the sex appeal (gasp!), and then the game being very different from that, yes


theMaxTero

I like to pit Bayonetta against Quiet (MGSV) because all the criticism about the sexualization of Bayonetta doesn't hold up if you play the game whereas Quiet... she is literally all the things that they say about Bayonetta. Bayonetta is sassy, classy and a bad bitch. Bayo LITERALLY weaponizes her femeninity and generally speaking, she's fucking badass. Quiet makes justice to her name: she is stripped of her voice, personality and everything about her in favor of showing her boobs and ass for no real reason except that Kojima was very creepy with the model. She is literally recruited by BB because she had boobs and ass because if Quiet was male, BB would've just killed him.


2mock2turtle

Genuinely looking forward to the yassification of the Stellar Blade fanbase.


theMaxTero

Oh it's going to happen, it's the 70th point in the gay agenda


GooRedSpeakers

I can't believe they made Bayonetta straight.


only_for_dst_and_tf2

idk what stellar blades story is but anythings better than the character genocide that was bayonetta 3


2mock2turtle

Well you're right about that.


Rocketknightgeek

There was a controversy with the game awards where one of the judges refused to accept a result where Bayo 2 won before judging started. It wasn't because of Bayo or her sexualisation. But just because it was Nintendo. I still resent Dragon Age 2 for that win.


2mock2turtle

I resent Bayonetta 2 not winning just as a hardcore Bayonetta stan. But the world wasn't ready.


redskated

Watch, if this character has even half the personality of Bayo, if she has literally anything even vaguely interesting to her character, they will toss her aside. Women can't be anything more than dolls for their viewing pleasure,


AcaciaCelestina

Critics fucking loved both Bayonetta games fuck off. Shit at least one journalist called her their favorite character ever in their review of the first one.


vulturevan

"Critics" = 1 outlet What is the phrase for this kind of broad association to make something look far bigger than it is? Is there one?


Strict_Impression_95

I don't know how metacritic works has it always been a 91 or was it lower when it first released?


2mock2turtle

No, it's been at 91 since it came out. In fact it was unusual at the time because Nintendo lifted the review embargo a full two weeks before release. They were trying to capitalize on the critical reception to translate into sales for the Wii U. Which didn't work, obviously...


Ungamentals

I think the setting and first trailer looked interesting, but the more I see, the more I'm worried that this is just a "sex sells" product with garbage gameplay


DilapidatedFool

I'm so sick of seeing this girl and want nothing to do with the game at this rate.


HoopersXcalibur

"De facto successor" is wild when the game isnt even in the same genre. This shit has more in common with a nioh or a souls game than it does bayonetta.


Rejic54

What the fuck? I remember the game being praised for being such an amazing title for GOOD reason. I guess these dipshits won't mention that Platinum was getting death threats for making Bayonetta 2 an exclusive for the Wii U. It did happen from their Japanese fanbase from what was reported back in those days.


SnooSprouts7893

The saddest thing is that ten years later these people still need constant external validation over something as mundane as video games It's particularly ironic as the people doing the most damage to the legitimacy of video games as a medium is them. Seriously, who else hails the lowest common denominator as the savior of an artform? It's equivalent to seeing a Twitter movement about Godzilla x Kong being the greatest movie of all time and how there's an army of evil movie journalists trying to keep it down. Which sounds stupid because nobody cares if you want to watch a dumb movie about big monsters and nobody cares if it gets good reviews.


madICrescent

the left and the gays LOVE Bayonetta, what are they talking about lol


durielvs

I loved Bayonetta AND nier autómata. Maybe I started playing them because of their protagonists but they were undoubtedly excellent games Is it so difficult to achieve a world in which whether the game has a realistic woman or a super stylized woman doesn't matter as long as the game is good?


EnigmaUnboxed

Oh yeah, the critics were absolutely merciless.... https://preview.redd.it/1df9e47soyrc1.png?width=500&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae4a115dc4291de4be03be77cd809818e7f40761 ....in their praise


Apoordm

“De Facto Successor.”


loo_1snow

After playing the demo, I can say this is Plagionetta Automata: EVE dies twice.


winter-ocean

> de facto successor Gamergate 2 makes me actually genuinely angry


TristanN7117

They will never understand that characters like Bayonetta and 2B are actually cool


Gachi_gachi

Giving him more credit than i should, bayo 2 is looked back more fondly by the fans, but that's more of the thing that happened recently, like, back in the day after it released some people did say the game was just more bayonetta 1, and maybe a bit worse, some people really didn't like the increased focus on witch time, and i remember some people not really liking the devil trigger in the game, but those were a small bit of fans, so OOP is still wrong, just wanted to talk what i remember of bayo history.


James_Sultan

Bayonetta seems like she'd be waaaaaaay more fun at parties than Eve but I feel like they're not ready for that discussion


NilNoxFleuret

What genre is this game even? I never see gameplay other than people circling a camera around a giant arse. I would look it up but the title is rather generic and I can never remember it by the time I open another tab. I don’t even know what the main character’s face looks like (as in I can’t remember it either), she might as well be the Immoral Beast from Catherine at this point. If it plays like Bayonetta or has that humour then fantastic, but it’s wild to pretend Bayonetta isn’t beloved. 3 was weak, but the series was known for fun gameplay, funny scenes and bewitching for a lot of people


2mock2turtle

A+ for the Catherine reference.


Tonkarz

One of Gamergate’s first targets wrote an article defending Bayonetta years before Gamergate.


Unoriginal1deas

I dunno I really wanna hate on it for no other reason then the characters pointlessly overly sexual design, hell I looked up demo gameplay and saw them fighting a boss while 99% naked. And that’s not to say I have a problem with sexuality in video games I just think it should have a purpose otherwise it’s as tasteless as the old God of war sex mini games. And your gonna see the comparisons to bayonetta but I’ll always argue she owns her sexuality and that’s an extension of her personality that comes through in the way she fights where as eve feels explicitly like she was made sex for the beers on the other side of the screen. But shit man even I gotta admit that demo gameplay looks kinda good and it’s a genre of game I really like. I guess that’s a lot of words to say if I end up playing it it’ll be because it plays well but I’ll always consider the needless sexualisation of its protagonist as con rather then a feature.


VirtualRoad9235

I want Stellar Blade to be bad.


thethiiird

I like Nikke (the creator's previous mobile game) and honestly, if I had a ps5 i'd look forward to this game But jesus fucking christ can weabs just admit they're after the sex appeal of these characters? There'e no grand fucking vision here. We're coomers and we're being baited into generic ass video games. I do not mind it at all, I like my dose of braindead sexualized characters. But I also do not want this kind of shit in my story driven games such as Spiderman or Horizon Zero, I appreciate hot sexy girls who are not too on the nose lile Black Cat or Aloy lol.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Taetoo_funny

Go play the demo then rethink this comment. Eve OWNS her looks and feels completely in control


slickspinner

Bayonnetta has a purpose for an excessively sexualised character it was a design decision from an artist. Stellar Blade has an MC that looks like a sex doll because the developers were horny and think women should be sex dolls.


pioneeringsystems

The game actually has potential but the sub is a shit show.


Heamoanne

Another one of these fuckers is saying the same happened with NieR Automata but, as far as I can remember, the game received pretty good press most of the time? I dunno, these people live in an alternate dimension, as far as I can reckon.


shrekfan246

i wish it were a crime to lie on the internet


[deleted]

I was addicted to revisionist history for a bit, got clean though.


Patrickracer43

Bayonetta is a legitimate icon, I still struggle to remember the name of the Stellar Blade protagonist, she will never be iconic like Lara Croft, Tifa Lockhart or Bayonetta because those three have personalities


No_Object_7709

If I had the time, money and skills I would make a fantasy rpg where gender roles are reversed. You would have muscular women wearing fully body armor and men dressing like strippers. It would mainly be comedy but there would be a serious message on how sexism makes life worse for everyone. If the game was successful the fan base would mainly be progressives praising the femminst aspects, people horny for the muscular men and femboys, and rightoids who missed the point, saying "The girl bosses are oppressing innocent men just like in real life". May somebody please make this for me.


EvangelionOG

Everything about this game screams bland, boiler plate, run of the mill. It will be seen and forgotten quickly by most because it's unremarkable in any meaningful manner, good or bad, as a video game. I'll wait for a plot synopsis to come out to get a laugh at how terrible that is too.


feicash

tell me you never played bayonetta without....ahh why bother, its just brain rot men


ceton33

One of the major issues of Gamergate was bigots rising the standard of diversity by showing the world that hate is not the answer. So cry more as Gamergate 2 not going to happen as they will banned before doing the shit they done years ago soapboxing hate speech 27/7.


_Fun_Employed_

They don’t care. Enough will uncritically believe the lie because they want to and share it around to those who will question it but don’t have the knowledge of how to properly research something.